Improvment of wording in the overwrite dialog
I am currently going over some of the dialogs to see if they can be improved and made more consitent with our friends Gimp and Scribus.
I have some small suggestions for the wording in the overwrite dialog: 1. The wording overwrite is not a very nice term, "Replace" much friendlier. 2. The terms Yes and No are not optimal. When I get the question, my brain says "Yes, of course I want to keep the old document". 3. The line between the text and the buttons is noise.
Gimps' overwrite/replace dialog is really nice, and I suggest we copy that right off.
Here are screenshots from the Gimp, Inkscape and Scribus: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Overwrite_Document
BTW, it would be really nice to have a irc-meeting with some people from Gimp and Scribus to discuss this whole Free Graphics Suite/Team thing soon. - Andreas Nilsson
On Saturday 12 February 2005 23:12, bulia byak wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:13:18 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...>
wrote:
Gimps' overwrite/replace dialog is really nice, and I suggest we copy that right off.
I agree. Can you provide a patch? :)
Hi
I think I'll make some changes over here now too :)
Craig, Scribus
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Saturday 12 February 2005 23:12, bulia byak wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:13:18 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...>
wrote:
Gimps' overwrite/replace dialog is really nice, and I suggest we copy that right off.
I agree. Can you provide a patch? :)
Hi
I think I'll make some changes over here now too :)
Craig, Scribus
Really nice! I was going to suggest the same thing to Scribus as soon as I had got some feedback from the Inkscape devs. Thanks! - Andreas Nilsson
On Sunday 13 February 2005 11:32, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Saturday 12 February 2005 23:12, bulia byak wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:13:18 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...>
wrote:
Gimps' overwrite/replace dialog is really nice, and I suggest we copy that right off.
I agree. Can you provide a patch? :)
Hi
I think I'll make some changes over here now too :)
Craig, Scribus
Really nice! I was going to suggest the same thing to Scribus as soon as I had got some feedback from the Inkscape devs.
Anyone considered providing a user options for button order? KDE and any order I'm used to begs for Cancel/No to always be on the right, Gnome/Gimp/Inkscape and some Scribus dialogs are No on the left.
I'm planning on making an option in Scribus 1.3 so the user can choose... might be fun to get it right everywhere but imo worth it.
Craig
On Sunday 13 February 2005 14:13, Craig Bradney wrote:
On Sunday 13 February 2005 11:32, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Saturday 12 February 2005 23:12, bulia byak wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:13:18 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...>
wrote:
Gimps' overwrite/replace dialog is really nice, and I suggest we copy that right off.
I agree. Can you provide a patch? :)
Hi
I think I'll make some changes over here now too :)
Craig, Scribus
Really nice! I was going to suggest the same thing to Scribus as soon as I had got some feedback from the Inkscape devs.
Anyone considered providing a user options for button order? KDE and any order I'm used to begs for Cancel/No to always be on the right, Gnome/Gimp/Inkscape and some Scribus dialogs are No on the left.
I'm planning on making an option in Scribus 1.3 so the user can choose... might be fun to get it right everywhere but imo worth it.
Oh, and I realise you are following the HIG, but if a user only has KDE (or another DE that wants OK/Save/etc on the left, and even runs the gtk-qt theme engine it would seem appropriate.
Just my 2 euro cents.
Craig
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Sunday 13 February 2005 11:32, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Saturday 12 February 2005 23:12, bulia byak wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:13:18 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...>
wrote:
Gimps' overwrite/replace dialog is really nice, and I suggest we copy that right off.
I agree. Can you provide a patch? :)
Hi
I think I'll make some changes over here now too :)
Craig, Scribus
Really nice! I was going to suggest the same thing to Scribus as soon as I had got some feedback from the Inkscape devs.
Anyone considered providing a user options for button order? KDE and any order I'm used to begs for Cancel/No to always be on the right, Gnome/Gimp/Inkscape and some Scribus dialogs are No on the left.
This might be of intrest: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2004-December/msg00038.ht...
Other changes... "- Applications can provide an alternative button order, and there is a setting to activate it"
I belive the gimp will have this in 2.4 . http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/gimp/NEWS
- Andreas Nilsson
On Sunday 13 February 2005 14:48, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Sunday 13 February 2005 11:32, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Saturday 12 February 2005 23:12, bulia byak wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:13:18 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...>
wrote:
Gimps' overwrite/replace dialog is really nice, and I suggest we copy that right off.
I agree. Can you provide a patch? :)
Hi
I think I'll make some changes over here now too :)
Craig, Scribus
Really nice! I was going to suggest the same thing to Scribus as soon as I had got some feedback from the Inkscape devs.
Anyone considered providing a user options for button order? KDE and any order I'm used to begs for Cancel/No to always be on the right, Gnome/Gimp/Inkscape and some Scribus dialogs are No on the left.
This might be of intrest: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2004-December/msg00038.h tml
Other changes... "- Applications can provide an alternative button order, and there is a setting to activate it"
I belive the gimp will have this in 2.4 . http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/gimp/NEWS
- Andreas Nilsson
Thanks, will look for similar things in Qt... *might* be there.
Craig
Quoting Craig Bradney <cbradney@...242...>:
Anyone considered providing a user options for button order? KDE and any order I'm used to begs for Cancel/No to always be on the right, Gnome/Gimp/Inkscape and some Scribus dialogs are No on the left.
I'm planning on making an option in Scribus 1.3 so the user can choose... might be fun to get it right everywhere but imo worth it.
Be sure to get with i18n people and make sure that your changes behave well in all locales/usages. I do know that order and placement like that can be affected by things (most right-to-left locales flip menus and buttons around like that)
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Craig Bradney wrote:
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:13:44 +0100 From: Craig Bradney <cbradney@...242...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Improvment of wording in the overwrite dialog
Anyone considered providing a user options for button order? KDE and any order I'm used to begs for Cancel/No to always be on the right, Gnome/Gimp/Inkscape and some Scribus dialogs are No on the left.
As I wrote in the summary there are plans to fix this in GTK in version 2.6 I believe, so an application specific fix should be unnecessary. (Sorry dont have a good link I can provide as reference.)
I've no idea if QT have any plans to do something similar but I hope they will.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/
Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org Abiword is Awesome http://abisource.com
On Sunday 13 February 2005 22:44, Alan Horkan wrote:
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Craig Bradney wrote:
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:13:44 +0100 From: Craig Bradney <cbradney@...242...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Improvment of wording in the overwrite dialog
Anyone considered providing a user options for button order? KDE and any order I'm used to begs for Cancel/No to always be on the right, Gnome/Gimp/Inkscape and some Scribus dialogs are No on the left.
As I wrote in the summary there are plans to fix this in GTK in version 2.6 I believe, so an application specific fix should be unnecessary. (Sorry dont have a good link I can provide as reference.)
I've no idea if QT have any plans to do something similar but I hope they will.
I can't find anything in the Qt docs, however we plan some new base dialog classes for Scribus 1.3 and we can just do it there until Qt supports it.
Craig
bulia byak wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:13:18 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...> wrote:
Gimps' overwrite/replace dialog is really nice, and I suggest we copy that right off.
I agree. Can you provide a patch? :)
Hi! I can't code. :( But I can draw a pretty picture for anyone that fixes it. :) - Andreas
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:13:18 +0100 From: Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...> To: Inkscape Devel List inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Improvment of wording in the overwrite dialog
I am currently going over some of the dialogs to see if they can be improved and made more consitent with our friends Gimp and Scribus.
I have some small suggestions for the wording in the overwrite dialog:
- The wording overwrite is not a very nice term, "Replace" much friendlier.
- The terms Yes and No are not optimal. When I get the question, my
brain says "Yes, of course I want to keep the old document". 3. The line between the text and the buttons is noise.
Gimps' overwrite/replace dialog is really nice, and I suggest we copy that right off.
Aside from their use of their own custom warning icon instead of the GTK one it is pretty good. Bonus points if you can get GTK to fix the file chooser like they should have done already. (I think they might actually be working on an appropriate addition to the file chooser to cover this but I'm not very sure)
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
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