Hello !
It's just, that I wish to push Inkscape even more .... Regard, I do not make something like "a request" ;-)
But:
There are many situations, where you just create a plain object in another layer, with the size of the document.
Why not re-use the menu: "/edit/paste/document-size" ??
Dont blame, me, if this exists probably on another place ...
Best regards,
Manfred
Hi Manfred, I'm not clear what you're asking. If you place the object on a new layer, as long as it's inside the page border, that's all you need to do. You don't need to configure each new layer to fit the document size. It's automatically the right size, as long as the object is inside the page border. Or do you mean the object is a rectangle the same size as the page? For that, just use Edit menu > Duplicate. Or Edit menu > Copy, and Edit menu > Paste In Place. (Or appropriate key shortcuts.) Then move it to the new layer (Shift + PgUp or PgDn). If by "layer" you mean the z-order, then no need to move to a new layer. If that's not what you need, please try to clarify some more :-)
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: <webman@...3306...> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:07 PM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Waht could make inscabe even better
Hello !
It's just, that I wish to push Inkscape even more .... Regard, I do not make something like "a request" ;-)
But:
There are many situations, where you just create a plain object in another layer, with the size of the document.
Why not re-use the menu: "/edit/paste/document-size" ??
Dont blame, me, if this exists probably on another place ...
Best regards,
Manfred
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Hi Bryn,
thanks for your reply.
It shows, I explained it not very well ...
I create a new layer, then I put a rectangle into it and want to make it sized like the page-dimension and aligned to it (0,0,max-x,max-y).
I never tried to change document properties for a layer ;-)
I just sad this, because this happens very often to me. I will not really call this "work", but creating a rectangle and set "edit/pase/doc-size" should make it completely fit and aligned - so, nearly one click ;-)
Hope, I was clear.
Thanks anyway, Manfred
-----Original Message----- From: Brynn [mailto:brynn@...3133...] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 8:04 PM To: webman@...3306...; inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Waht could make inscabe even better
Hi Manfred, I'm not clear what you're asking. If you place the object on a
new
layer, as long as it's inside the page border, that's all you need to do. You don't need to configure each new layer to fit the document size. It's automatically the right size, as long as the object is inside the page border. Or do you mean the object is a rectangle the same size as the
page?
For that, just use Edit menu > Duplicate. Or Edit menu > Copy, and Edit menu > Paste In Place. (Or appropriate key shortcuts.) Then move it to
the
new layer (Shift + PgUp or PgDn). If by "layer" you mean the z-order, then no need to move to a new layer. If that's not what you need, please try to clarify some more :-)
All best, brynn
From: <webman@...3306...> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:07 PM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Waht could make inscabe even better
Hello !
It's just, that I wish to push Inkscape even more .... Regard, I do not make something like "a request" ;-)
But:
There are many situations, where you just create a plain object in another layer, with the size of the document.
Why not re-use the menu: "/edit/paste/document-size" ??
Dont blame, me, if this exists probably on another place ...
Best regards,
Manfred
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On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 10:17 PM, <webman> wrote:
Hi Bryn,
thanks for your reply.
It shows, I explained it not very well ...
I create a new layer, then I put a rectangle into it and want to make it sized like the page-dimension and aligned to it (0,0,max-x,max-y).
My advice: setup a custom default template with snapping to page enabled. That way you can just draw a new rectangle that matches page's size easily.
Shameless plug: http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/using-templates-in-inkscape
Alex
Actually, what Manfred suggested may be quite useful. Working with high-resolution graphics in Inkscape all the time often requires scaling down images to fit the page size once you have dragged/pasted them onto the canvas, which generally requires zooming out a lot to grab handles, etc. In fact, the addition of "fit to document" under Edit > Paste Size > Fit to Document, would be so useful to me, that I'd probably assign a hotkey for it. :)
My 2p.
-C
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 10:17 PM, <webman> wrote:
Hi Bryn,
thanks for your reply.
It shows, I explained it not very well ...
I create a new layer, then I put a rectangle into it and want to make it sized like the page-dimension and aligned to it (0,0,max-x,max-y).
My advice: setup a custom default template with snapping to page enabled. That way you can just draw a new rectangle that matches page's size easily.
Shameless plug: http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/using-templates-in-inkscape
Alex
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On Thu, 2015-12-10 at 07:05 +0000, C R wrote:
Actually, what Manfred suggested may be quite useful. Working with high-resolution graphics in Inkscape all the time often requires scaling down images to fit the page size once you have dragged/pasted them onto the canvas, which generally requires zooming out a lot to grab handles, etc. In fact, the addition of "fit to document" under Edit > Paste Size > Fit to Document, would be so useful to me, that I'd probably assign a hotkey for it. :)
Why not crop to document? To scale or not to scale? There's a lot of possible things to do here and I wonder if the snapping is actually the best option considering how many possibles there are.
(the menus are already pretty large)
Martin,
Why not crop to document? To scale or not to scale?
Huh? :) We're talking about scaling... just scaling I think.
There's a lot of possible things to do here and I wonder if the snapping is actually the best option considering how many possibles there are.
Yes, which requires enabling snapping options (and possibly disabling snapping options depending on how many paths run close to the corners), then zooming out to find a corner to grab, then sizing down, then zooming back in, then turning snapping back off (and/or all your snapping options back to normal).
Or we could do Edit > Paste Size > Fit to Document. Dunno, seems better/faster to me. ;)
Also, no one seems too concerned with the paste-size sub-menu being full of options. Since this is a paste-size operation, it seems a natural and intuitive place for it. Hell, maybe even go for TWO more options with "Fit to Document" and "Fit to View", both of which would save a lot of zooming for me. :)
My oppinion. I've grown used to having to muck about with the size of imported things. It would be nice very very nice to not have to zoom out to grab things and zoom back in all the time. That's the problem I'm trying to cure personally. Seems like it would do what Manfred wants as well.
Kill two stones with one bird? :)
-C
(the menus are already pretty large)
Martin,
I, too, would find an autoresize option useful. When you have a very large imported object you have to zoom out to find its extension, then grab it and make it smaller: you almost never get to the desired size at the first shot if the page is a tiny rectangle in the middle of your monitor, mostly covered by the huge object you're resizing. And snapping often just makes it worse if you've got a tangle of possible targets in a very small area so no real chance to catch the desired one unless you're a sniper. Having an option to resize any big object to the page size would put it in a reasonable scale to deal with with almost no effort required, then you can easily have your first real shot directly to your snapping target. I think I'd map a shortcut too. A note: to be useful for my use case, the aspect ratio of the object should be preserved so it's made to fit in the page as to be completely enclosed in the document's area (in this cases I'm usually dealing with pictures, which I don't want to be distorted). On the other hand, I suppose that someone else could otherwise find more useful to have a non aspect-ratio-conservative fit; so I guess that there should be an option about this.
IMHO speaking about cropping is appropriate only when you already have complete control of the ratio between the original just imported object's size (as it is) and the drawing size, which is not a common case, I suppose; and if you have such control then resizing is just a matter of scaling to a known, or easily obtainable, percentage: not a big issue to deal with.
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On Thu, 2015-12-10 at 16:33 +0000, C R wrote:
My oppinion. I've grown used to having to muck about with the size of imported things. It would be nice very very nice to not have to zoom out to grab things and zoom back in all the time. That's the problem I'm trying to cure personally. Seems like it would do what Manfred wants as well.
Kill two stones with one bird? :)
Maybe if it said 'Paste to Size' and then acted on the document if nothing is selected, but pasted to the size of the selected box if items selected.
Kill an entire quarry quarry that way.
Martin,
Maybe if it said 'Paste to Size' and then acted on the document if nothing is selected, but pasted to the size of the selected box if items selected.
Well, "Paste Size" requires an object to already be selected (ie- the thing to resize)... so there is no current option to have *nothing* selected (Paste Size needs a slected target object). So I don't think it would go under the "Paste Size" options.
"Paste to Size" would then probably have to be another option under the main Edit menu, which I do think would be too much clutter for the top level menus, also "Paste to Size" would be confused easily with "Paste Size"... to me it makes more sense to options to the sub menu that are clear and say what they do, thus "Fit to Document" and "Fit to View" add it to the sub-menu, and maybe give it a default hotkey to make it special. Ctrl-alt-shift-V = Fit to View, or somesuch :)
I'd be using that pretty much constantly, and it fits the workflow:
1. Copy or drag file into inkscape (inkscape imports it at the actual size it is relative to the resolution, and makes it the selected object). 2. If it's too big for the view, hit Ctrl-Alt-V for Fit to View. 3. Profit. :D
My 2p.
PS- To me that simple feature is worth an entire afternoon of drinks on me, when you make it down for the Linux meets, Martin. Are you bribeable with beer? I know I am. ;)
-C
Kill an entire quarry quarry that way.
Martin,
On Thu, 2015-12-10 at 20:24 +0000, C R wrote:
"Paste to Size" would then probably have to be another option under the main Edit menu, which I do think would be too much clutter for the top level menus, also "Paste to Size" would be confused easily with "Paste Size"... to me it makes more sense to options to the sub menu that are clear and say what they do, thus "Fit to Document" and "Fit to View" add it to the sub-menu, and maybe give it a default hotkey to make it special. Ctrl-alt-shift-V = Fit to View, or somesuch :)
No. Not the same as Paste Size, but a Paste to Size. It is possible to select none and often this is used as a stand in for document is in context for a few actions. Hence you get a paste to document size and a paste to any selectable size.
PS- To me that simple feature is worth an entire afternoon of drinks on me, when you make it down for the Linux meets, Martin. Are you bribeable with beer? I know I am. ;)
Certainly. Will you be involved in the LGM and hackfest per chance?
Martin,
PS- To me that simple feature is worth an entire afternoon of drinks on me, when you make it down for the Linux meets, Martin. Are you bribeable with beer? I know I am. ;)
Certainly. Will you be involved in the LGM and hackfest per chance?
Definitely. I'm working on a proposal for Inkscape materials to submit for the January deadline for LGM, and also some cards to hand out/add to the inkscape graphics archives. There is also the possibility for video, interviews, showreels, etc.
I'll start a new email thread with details to keep this one for the feature request. :)
Cheers, -C
Martin,
On 10/12/2015 17:33, C R wrote:
My oppinion. I've grown used to having to muck about with the size of imported things. It would be nice very very nice to not have to zoom out to grab things and zoom back in all the time. That's the problem I'm trying to cure personally. Seems like it would do what Manfred wants as well.
If the selected object is bigger than the viewport, could the handles be drawn at the viewport's edges, and not at the object's outside of viewport bounding box like currently ?
Then it would be easier to scale big graphics, without the need to dezoom / zoom..
Victor
If the selected object is bigger than the viewport, could the handles be drawn at the viewport's edges, and not at the object's outside of viewport bounding box like currently ?
While that's better than it currently is, depending on how large the graphic is it could still be a lot of resizing still, click, drag, click, drag. I'd still prefer a hotkey to resize the selection to view (centered, minus about 10% of the screen on each side, so it's easy to grab the handles.
One other thing that may work quite well is using the Ctrl+Alt keys along with the mouse wheel to scale the current selection down. That requires a mouse wheel, or multitouch trackpad though.
Even with that added, I'd still like a hotkeyed Fit to View. That covers you in case the very large imported/pasted graphic is off-center by a lot.
-C
Oh, I understand better now.
Once you make one rectangle, you can always duplicate or copy it and paste in place.
But Alex has a good idea! Make a special template that contains that page-size rectangle. Then, every time you open a new document from that template, it will already contain that rectangle. After that, just duplicate, or copy and paste in place.
The template could also contain as many layers as you need, so you wouldn't have to create them every time. Or even a rectangle in every layer. Actually, the template can contain anything you want!
Although, I see your point. Having some option to create a page size rectangle, that's automatically aligned to the page border, would probably be something that a lot of people would use! That question is answered in forums somewhat often.
Happy Inkscaping!
-------------------------------------------------- From: <webman@...3306...> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 12:17 PM To: "'Brynn'" <brynn@...3133...>; inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] Waht could make inscabe even better
Hi Bryn,
thanks for your reply.
It shows, I explained it not very well ...
I create a new layer, then I put a rectangle into it and want to make it sized like the page-dimension and aligned to it (0,0,max-x,max-y).
I never tried to change document properties for a layer ;-)
I just sad this, because this happens very often to me. I will not really call this "work", but creating a rectangle and set "edit/pase/doc-size" should make it completely fit and aligned - so, nearly one click ;-)
Hope, I was clear.
Thanks anyway, Manfred
-----Original Message----- From: Brynn [mailto:brynn@...3133...] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 8:04 PM To: webman@...3306...; inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Waht could make inscabe even better
Hi Manfred, I'm not clear what you're asking. If you place the object on a
new
layer, as long as it's inside the page border, that's all you need to do. You don't need to configure each new layer to fit the document size. It's automatically the right size, as long as the object is inside the page border. Or do you mean the object is a rectangle the same size as the
page?
For that, just use Edit menu > Duplicate. Or Edit menu > Copy, and Edit menu > Paste In Place. (Or appropriate key shortcuts.) Then move it to
the
new layer (Shift + PgUp or PgDn). If by "layer" you mean the z-order, then no need to move to a new layer. If that's not what you need, please try to clarify some more :-)
All best, brynn
From: <webman@...3306...> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:07 PM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Waht could make inscabe even better
Hello !
It's just, that I wish to push Inkscape even more .... Regard, I do not make something like "a request" ;-)
But:
There are many situations, where you just create a plain object in another layer, with the size of the document.
Why not re-use the menu: "/edit/paste/document-size" ??
Dont blame, me, if this exists probably on another place ...
Best regards,
Manfred
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