Hi,
I've set up my donation of $1 to Inkscape through Gratipay. Somebody who owns official Twitter account can setup a cash-out to Inkscape bank - that may help gather more funds for upcoming HackFest https://gratipay.com/on/twitter/inkscape/
It then may be possible to add a link to that to https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/donate/
I am learning Inkscape to do SVG art that can then be animated with D3.js to make something like these stats https://gratipay.com/ProjectTox/receiving/
Please, CC.
Yes, Gratipay can be added to "the list" - re my previous message about Flattr, in which Martin mentioned also, Patreon. (Sorry I don't know how to link to another email thread. Oh, I'll link to the archive.... http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/donations-Flattr-tp4973285.html)
Again, I would volunteer to manage the accounts (not the money, of course, but the webpages) at all of these. It's just that I'm not sure I have the authority to set up the pages/accounts.
Or, Idk, maybe it would be better to just choose one of these, instead of having multiple accounts to manage. If there is one which doesn't take a fee, I would say that would be ideal! (Because when these apparently noble groups who just want to support "the starving artist" or "the starving programmer" take a fee, they start to look less noble, in my eyes.)(my opinion)
While Flattr takes 10%, and Patreon takes 5% plus credit card fees, it appears Gratipay is less "transparent". The Gratipay terms say " Fees Gratipay reserves the right to charge service fees based on the total amount of your transaction. Such fees are subject to change without notice and in Gratipay's sole discretion. All Gratipay fees will be disclosed to you before you complete your transaction."
From my point of view, that makes it difficult for a potential recipient of
these donations, to decide whether to use the service. But again, my opinion :-)
[Off Topic - I'll be interested to look up D3.js, to perhaps add it to the new page I'm making for the Inkscape website, about animation and Inkscape (first draft and still under development: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/learn/animation-and-inkscape). :-) ]
All best, brynn
From: anatoly techtonik Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 12:36 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Donating through Gratipay
Hi,
I've set up my donation of $1 to Inkscape through Gratipay. Somebody who owns official Twitter account can setup a cash-out to Inkscape bank - that may help gather more funds for upcoming HackFest https://gratipay.com/on/twitter/inkscape/
It then may be possible to add a link to that to https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/donate/
I am learning Inkscape to do SVG art that can then be animated with D3.js to make something like these stats https://gratipay.com/ProjectTox/receiving/
Please, CC.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, Gratipay can be added to "the list" - re my previous message about Flattr, in which Martin mentioned also, Patreon. (Sorry I don't know how to link to another email thread. Oh, I'll link to the archive.... http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/donations-Flattr-tp4973285.html)
Yes, I've seen that. I guess every way has own merits. I am using Gratipay because it is open source, and you can really change anything about that if you feel that there should be a better art, different wording or donation handling mechanism.
That was the main advantage for me over Flattr. As for the Patreon, I am impressed with the art side of it. But it feel like a more suitable place to support individuals doing creative work than for open source teams doing software development. But I am biased.
Again, I would volunteer to manage the accounts (not the money, of course,
but the webpages) at all of these. It's just that I'm not sure I have the authority to set up the pages/accounts.
Well, I guess somebody who manages current PayPal should do this.
From the http://staging.inkscape.org/en/donate/ page it is Software
Freedom Conservancy, which does not have the Gratipay account https://gratipay.com/on/twitter/conservancy/
I once thought about proposing SFC to set Gratipay channel, but couldn't find a public contact point for keeping conversation tracked.
Or, Idk, maybe it would be better to just choose one of these, instead of
having multiple accounts to manage. If there is one which doesn't take a fee, I would say that would be ideal! (Because when these apparently noble groups who just want to support "the starving artist" or "the starving programmer" take a fee, they start to look less noble, in my eyes.)(my opinion)
Providing multiple channels is an interesting idea for improving fundraising efforts. It can also cover better auditory. I expect many artists to have a Patreon account. Aside from Gratipay I've seen open source developers using Stripe or Bitcoin directly. So it would be interesting to compare donation from "open source" vs "artist" communities.
While Flattr takes 10%, and Patreon takes 5% plus credit card fees, it appears Gratipay is less "transparent". The Gratipay terms say " Fees Gratipay reserves the right to charge service fees based on the total amount of your transaction. Such fees are subject to change without notice and in Gratipay's sole discretion. All Gratipay fees will be disclosed to you before you complete your transaction."
From my point of view, that makes it difficult for a potential recipient
of these donations, to decide whether to use the service. But again, my opinion :-)
Yes, that looks like a bug in explanations. =) https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/issues/3319 I've added a table to track the fees. https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/pull/3329/files
As far as I can tell there is no fee for Gratipay service - it is fuelled by direct donations - https://gratipay.com/about/pricing - the fees above are set by payment providers. Well, except Bitcoin, but this needs further clarifications. Last time I've heard about that, the Coinbase was used.
[Off Topic - I'll be interested to look up D3.js, to perhaps add it to the new page I'm making for the Inkscape website, about animation and Inkscape (first draft and still under development: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/learn/animation-and-inkscape). :-) ]
Anti-offtopic. The data file with fees is actually a thing that I want to visualize in D3.js, but I'd like to do the infographics in Inkscape.
On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 17:42 +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote:
Providing multiple channels is an interesting idea for improving fundraising
efforts. It can also cover better auditory. I expect many artists to have a Patreon account. Aside from Gratipay I've seen open source developers using Stripe or Bitcoin directly. So it would be interesting to compare donation from "open source" vs "artist" communities.
Our primary target should be end users, which I think means paypal, patreon first. A secondary target would be Bitcoin and Stripe and other more technical methods. the reasoning I have here is that part of the process of involving users in financing Inkscape's operations is the involvement itself. Many open source and technical people know how to get involved and often have a greater say in discussions already.
I'd also like to make sure we can record user contributions and donations no matter how we got them. This is so user contributions are rewarded and gives them a better community standing than currently. where I feel coding is always given almost all the reputation points, followed by docs writers, designers and other jobs and then at dead last people who help finding :-). Not everyone can pay, not everyone can code. But helping is helping.
Martin,
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 02:06:20PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 17:42 +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote:
Providing multiple channels is an interesting idea for improving fundraising
efforts. It can also cover better auditory. I expect many artists to have a Patreon account. Aside from Gratipay I've seen open source developers using Stripe or Bitcoin directly. So it would be interesting to compare donation from "open source" vs "artist" communities.
Our primary target should be end users, which I think means paypal, patreon first. A secondary target would be Bitcoin and Stripe and other more technical methods. the reasoning I have here is that part of the process of involving users in financing Inkscape's operations is the involvement itself. Many open source and technical people know how to get involved and often have a greater say in discussions already.
I'd also like to make sure we can record user contributions and donations no matter how we got them. This is so user contributions are rewarded and gives them a better community standing than currently. where I feel coding is always given almost all the reputation points, followed by docs writers, designers and other jobs and then at dead last people who help finding :-). Not everyone can pay, not everyone can code. But helping is helping.
I tend to agree, it would be nice to have the equivalent of a brick walkway of fame with the names of all the donors, however...
Presently, the only data we get about the donors is their name, the donation date and amount, and the (optional) memo. We don't get their email address or any other information that would help us confirm their identity adequately enough to link donations to, say, their Inkscape website account. Best we could do is name match, and hope there's not too many John Williams and Elizabeth Smiths and Acme, Inc.'s
There are privacy concerns to worry about. While we'd love to shout-out our donors, some people may wish (for whatever personal reason) their donation to be anonymous, or at least not have their name in the public record. So any recognition system we have needs to either be opt-in or have a clear and unambiguous way to opt-out at the time of donation.
But I don't want to be a wet blanket here! I suspect there are technical solutions to be had; possibly it's a "Simple Matter of Programming". But our current paypal interface only allows extra data to be sent via the memo field, iirc, so someone would need to code up a more sophisticated donation infrastructure for us.
Bryce
"As far as I can tell there is no fee for Gratipay service - it is fuelled by direct donations - https://gratipay.com/about/pricing - the fees above are set by payment providers. Well, except Bitcoin, but this needs
further clarifications. Last time I've heard about that, the Coinbase was
used."
Well, that seems in direction contradiction to what is stated in Terms of Service, #9. https://gratipay.com/about/policies/terms-of-service
If the fees explained there are not for contributions or donations, or only for credit card transactions, it should be clarified.
All best, brynn
_________________________
From: anatoly techtonik Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 8:42 AM To: Brynn Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Donating through Gratipay
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, Gratipay can be added to "the list" - re my previous message about Flattr, in which Martin mentioned also, Patreon. (Sorry I don't know how to link to another email thread. Oh, I'll link to the archive.... http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/donations-Flattr-tp4973285.html)
Yes, I've seen that. I guess every way has own merits. I am using Gratipay because it is open source, and you can really change anything about that if you feel that there should be a better art, different wording or donation handling mechanism.
That was the main advantage for me over Flattr. As for the Patreon, I am impressed with the art side of it. But it feel like a more suitable place to support individuals doing creative work than for open source teams doing software development. But I am biased.
Again, I would volunteer to manage the accounts (not the money, of course, but the webpages) at all of these. It's just that I'm not sure I have the authority to set up the pages/accounts.
Well, I guess somebody who manages current PayPal should do this.
From the http://staging.inkscape.org/en/donate/ page it is Software
Freedom Conservancy, which does not have the Gratipay account https://gratipay.com/on/twitter/conservancy/
I once thought about proposing SFC to set Gratipay channel, but
couldn't find a public contact point for keeping conversation tracked.
Or, Idk, maybe it would be better to just choose one of these, instead of having multiple accounts to manage. If there is one which doesn't take a fee, I would say that would be ideal! (Because when these apparently noble groups who just want to support "the starving artist" or "the starving programmer" take a fee, they start to look less noble, in my eyes.)(my opinion)
Providing multiple channels is an interesting idea for improving fundraising
efforts. It can also cover better auditory. I expect many artists to have a Patreon account. Aside from Gratipay I've seen open source developers using Stripe or Bitcoin directly. So it would be interesting to compare donation from "open source" vs "artist" communities.
While Flattr takes 10%, and Patreon takes 5% plus credit card fees, it appears Gratipay is less "transparent". The Gratipay terms say " Fees Gratipay reserves the right to charge service fees based on the total amount of your transaction. Such fees are subject to change without notice and in Gratipay's sole discretion. All Gratipay fees will be disclosed to you before you complete your transaction."
From my point of view, that makes it difficult for a potential recipient of
these donations, to decide whether to use the service. But again, my opinion :-)
Yes, that looks like a bug in explanations. =) https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/issues/3319
I've added a table to track the fees. https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/pull/3329/files
As far as I can tell there is no fee for Gratipay service - it is fuelled by direct donations - https://gratipay.com/about/pricing - the fees above are set by payment providers. Well, except Bitcoin, but this needs
further clarifications. Last time I've heard about that, the Coinbase was
used.
[Off Topic - I'll be interested to look up D3.js, to perhaps add it to the new page I'm making for the Inkscape website, about animation and Inkscape (first draft and still under development: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/learn/animation-and-inkscape). :-) ]
Anti-offtopic. The data file with fees is actually a thing that I want to
visualize in D3.js, but I'd like to do the infographics in Inkscape.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
"As far as I can tell there is no fee for Gratipay service - it is fuelled by direct donations - https://gratipay.com/about/pricing - the fees above are set by payment providers. Well, except Bitcoin, but this needs
further clarifications. Last time I've heard about that, the Coinbase was
used."
Well, that seems in direction contradiction to what is stated in Terms of Service, #9. https://gratipay.com/about/policies/terms-of-service
If the fees explained there are not for contributions or donations, or only for credit card transactions, it should be clarified.
Thanks for pointing this out. Looks like a huge FAIL to me, because Gratipay is all about openness. =) I've started a table to contain fees that Gratipay users are charged by different providers, but terms of usage definitely need to be updated. For now, the process can be tracked here: https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/issues/3319#issuecomment-94142628
On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 05:45:19PM -0600, Brynn wrote:
Yes, Gratipay can be added to "the list" - re my previous message about Flattr, in which Martin mentioned also, Patreon. (Sorry I don't know how to link to another email thread. Oh, I'll link to the archive.... http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/donations-Flattr-tp4973285.html)
Again, I would volunteer to manage the accounts (not the money, of course, but the webpages) at all of these. It's just that I'm not sure I have the authority to set up the pages/accounts.
Hi Brynn, I would suggest inquiring about this with karen on IRC on the #inkscape-devel channel. Thanks for volunteering to manage the account pages.
If you do set it up, let me know and I'll set you up with access to our team password repository, so you can share the credentials with other administrators.
Bryce
Or, Idk, maybe it would be better to just choose one of these, instead of having multiple accounts to manage. If there is one which doesn't take a fee, I would say that would be ideal! (Because when these apparently noble groups who just want to support "the starving artist" or "the starving programmer" take a fee, they start to look less noble, in my eyes.)(my opinion)
While Flattr takes 10%, and Patreon takes 5% plus credit card fees, it appears Gratipay is less "transparent". The Gratipay terms say " Fees Gratipay reserves the right to charge service fees based on the total amount of your transaction. Such fees are subject to change without notice and in Gratipay's sole discretion. All Gratipay fees will be disclosed to you before you complete your transaction."
From my point of view, that makes it difficult for a potential recipient of
these donations, to decide whether to use the service. But again, my opinion :-)
[Off Topic - I'll be interested to look up D3.js, to perhaps add it to the new page I'm making for the Inkscape website, about animation and Inkscape (first draft and still under development: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/learn/animation-and-inkscape). :-) ]
All best, brynn
From: anatoly techtonik Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 12:36 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Donating through Gratipay
Hi,
I've set up my donation of $1 to Inkscape through Gratipay. Somebody who owns official Twitter account can setup a cash-out to Inkscape bank - that may help gather more funds for upcoming HackFest https://gratipay.com/on/twitter/inkscape/
It then may be possible to add a link to that to https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/donate/
I am learning Inkscape to do SVG art that can then be animated with D3.js to make something like these stats https://gratipay.com/ProjectTox/receiving/
Please, CC.
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