Tutorial links duplicated on website
Hi all,
while trying to figure out the cause of a series of reports about broken links to the tutorials [1] I noticed we have partially duplicated content regarding tutorials at
1. https://inkscape.org/en/learn/ and 2. https://inkscape.org/en/learn/tutorials/
Does anybody remember why this structure was chosen (or is it an accident ;-) )? Are there any objections to moving all tutorial links to (b.) and only leave the "Written Tutorials" link with a short summary on (a.)?
Regards, Eduard
The short answer is that there's just not enough potential contents for the whole Learn page and menu.
The general format for the website, is for the main menu item page to be a brief introduction to everything else in the menu. But if we take away the tutorials, look at what's left in that section - one sentence. I seem to recall we did try it without the tutorials listed, but the page looked really sad....
Except for the FAQ, which is a huge page, I'd probably be open to condensing the entire Learn menu and its contents, into a single page....maybe under Community? I've been wishing we could put the Gallery as a main menu item, for a long time. And removing Learn menu would allow for that. Maybe the FAQ could be a separate page under Community??
Just my thoughts :-)
Note that we've had that discussion before, and we keep going around and around, and end up leaving it alone. I'm certainly open to suggestions!
All best, brynn
PS - In Inkscape Community and InkscapeForum.com, we've recently discovered that the screencasters.heathenx.com videos have been removed, and their site closed down. The last I heard, someone is uploading them to YouTube. I'll take the responsibility to edit the tutorials pages accordingly, if no one else wants to, or has time.
-----Original Message----- From: Eduard Braun Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:47 AM To: Inkscape-Docs Subject: [Inkscape-docs] Tutorial links duplicated on website
Hi all,
while trying to figure out the cause of a series of reports about broken links to the tutorials [1] I noticed we have partially duplicated content regarding tutorials at
https://inkscape.org/en/learn/ and https://inkscape.org/en/learn/tutorials/
Does anybody remember why this structure was chosen (or is it an accident ;-) )? Are there any objections to moving all tutorial links to (b.) and only leave the "Written Tutorials" link with a short summary on (a.)?
Regards, Eduard
[1] https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-web/issues/193
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Am 19.04.2018 um 21:41 schrieb brynn:
The short answer is that there's just not enough potential contents for the whole Learn page and menu.
The general format for the website, is for the main menu item page to be a brief introduction to everything else in the menu. But if we take away the tutorials, look at what's left in that section - one sentence. I seem to recall we did try it without the tutorials listed, but the page looked really sad....
What's wrong with a short introduction/overview page? The whole point of giving an overview is to be concise, if the "overview" page already has a lot of content it's likely some of the less noticeable links to other menu items will be overlooked.
Duplicated content as we have now certainly can't be the solution as it's a maintenance nightmare and unnecessary burden for translators (case in point: I've never even thought to check for tutorial links on the "Learn" page - who'd expect them there if we have a dedicated "tutorials" page? - and that's the whole reason for the broken links).
Except for the FAQ, which is a huge page, I'd probably be open to condensing the entire Learn menu and its contents, into a single page....maybe under Community? I've been wishing we could put the Gallery as a main menu item, for a long time. And removing Learn menu would allow for that. Maybe the FAQ could be a separate page under Community??
I'd not do that for several reasons:
* Putting everything on one page is a mess and makes it hard for users to find specific items. * Community is unrelated to documentation. While the community creates the documentation and certain tutorials it does not make them a community feature like a gallery or a forum.
Yes, those are exactly the same comments which have come up when we discuss the Learn page/menu in the past. It doesn't really work to put it in Community.
Except for the FAQ and Animation pages, I don't think it would be a mess to have it all on one page, because there's so little contents. But that's just one idea.
I was hoping others might join this discussion, but I guess it's not very interesting.
How did the links get broken? I don't understand that part. Why were people messing with the links in the first place?
Here's another idea. Eliminate these non-interactive, html versions. And instead, upload the SVG files for the tutorials into the Tutorials category of the gallery. Make sure they stay on the front page of the Tutorials category, like the About Screen contest images stay on the front page of the gallery. (I'm not sure exactly how that happens, but it doesn't seem to be via voting or fav-ing.)
Then, on the main Learn page, we put a link to the Tutorials *category* in the gallery, along with the handful of 3rd party tutorials which are now on the 2 Tutorials pages (text and video) And then, we eliminate both the Tutorials and Video Tutorials pages.
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Eduard Braun Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:55 PM To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Tutorial links duplicated on website
Am 19.04.2018 um 21:41 schrieb brynn: The short answer is that there's just not enough potential contents for the whole Learn page and menu.
The general format for the website, is for the main menu item page to be a brief introduction to everything else in the menu. But if we take away the tutorials, look at what's left in that section - one sentence. I seem to recall we did try it without the tutorials listed, but the page looked really sad....
What's wrong with a short introduction/overview page? The whole point of giving an overview is to be concise, if the "overview" page already has a lot of content it's likely some of the less noticeable links to other menu items will be overlooked.
Duplicated content as we have now certainly can't be the solution as it's a maintenance nightmare and unnecessary burden for translators (case in point: I've never even thought to check for tutorial links on the "Learn" page - who'd expect them there if we have a dedicated "tutorials" page? - and that's the whole reason for the broken links).
Except for the FAQ, which is a huge page, I'd probably be open to condensing the entire Learn menu and its contents, into a single page....maybe under Community? I've been wishing we could put the Gallery as a main menu item, for a long time. And removing Learn menu would allow for that. Maybe the FAQ could be a separate page under Community??
I'd not do that for several reasons:
Putting everything on one page is a mess and makes it hard for users to find specific items. Community is unrelated to documentation. While the community creates the documentation and certain tutorials it does not make them a community feature like a gallery or a forum.
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