Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:

I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site. But again, that's not something I can start on right away.

- But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is still open, no decision was made).

But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all those bullets came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)

But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.

- He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the switch, not sure.

Maren

Thanks

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:

...

I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials page. But now we are putting them in the gallery?

• I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page

entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination, commenting ...

I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new videos to be added by their creators.

But maybe that would be going too far?

Regards, Maren

...

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, External Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.

03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

I don't understand what this means:

• He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.

Thanks

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:

Hi Vardenis, I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be better not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already are mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/). However, you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column, where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text? Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video tutorials?

• Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The

tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the extensions.

(I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)

     But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's

asking to have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.

• He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will

work automatically.

I haven't ever done that before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like. I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like. I'll do it in just a few minutes. But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it. Are all YT videos automatically public domain?

• Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.

Regards, Maren

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and don't upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current video tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.

03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis Cc: Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can add text and other important information like the license (if there is one).

This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the gallery widgets.

Martin,

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:

No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of tutorials, with a link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page needs some attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be organized like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.

Thanks for your help, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with me). I'm not editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section, and I'm thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be more helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section. I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the current with new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)

02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

Hi Vardenis, Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of Inkscape tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he first started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he ALWAYS calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned it, he still keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think they are helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users. Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I think only a few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes, very good! I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check it out. Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials page more current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you are going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape project, and edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Hello, Brynn, Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with your website and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section in website, Thanks for you help. ;-) I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick Saporito (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists), he have playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner Tutorials, Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface Tutorials, Inkscape Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in Inkscape, too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists ) for game art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless patterns, too in channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape And Drawing have interesting tutorials (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y bkhs).

I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and more interest.

What do you thinks about that?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)

02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what I consider the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain any errors or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com /index.php It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll make it current pretty soon.

I have a plan to bring them all over to the website, eventually, but can't start on it until I finish with other projects first. But I'd be glad to help you, if you wanted or needed it.

One thing which could probably be done right away, is to put a link on that page, to this page https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/. They aren't all video tutorials, but those that are, are certainly more current.

Maybe I'll add a note on that page, with the link, and also asking for volunteers. (I wonder if Victor would be interested, too? I know he's looking to help out.)

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM To: Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 18:30 +0200, Vardenis Pavardenis wrote:

Hello, "Video Tutorials" section in website is very, very old. Videos in this section is about from 2007 years. I don't say these tutorials is bad, but maybe is better to replace these tutorials to newer (video quality low, etc.) or redesign this section in website (Because is hard to share all new tutorial's, and I'm think most people searching in YouTube or something like Vimeo) ? In YouTube and Vimeo there are many who create Inkscape video tutorials.

I believe the job of Video Tutorial curator is available if you'd like to have a go.

The first thing to do is to think about what's out there, maybe make a list of all the really great stuff, then think about how you'd put it together on a website.

Sound like fun?

Best Regards, Martin Owens Website Administrator

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks, I'm post this only for discussion. :-)

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So now you don't want to edit Video Tutorials page? Just so I'm clear what's happening.

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if authors agree to upload videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in page Top 10 or something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and request that they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-)

04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...>:

Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:

I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site. But again, that's not something I can start on right away.

- But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is still open, no decision was made).

But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all those bullets came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)

But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.

- He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the switch, not sure.

Maren

Thanks

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn: I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials page. But now we are putting them in the gallery?

- I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination, commenting ...

I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new videos to be added by their creators.

But maybe that would be going too far?

Regards, Maren

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, External Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.

03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

I don't understand what this means:

- He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.

Thanks

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:

Hi Vardenis, I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be better not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already are mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/). However, you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column, where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text? Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video tutorials?

- Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the extensions.

(I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)

But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's asking to have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.

- He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will work automatically.

I haven't ever done that before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like. I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like. I'll do it in just a few minutes. But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it. Are all YT videos automatically public domain?

- Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.

Regards, Maren

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and don't upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current video tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.

03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis Cc: Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can add text and other important information like the license (if there is one).

This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the gallery widgets.

Martin,

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:

No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of tutorials, with a link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page needs some attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be organized like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.

Thanks for your help, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with me). I'm not editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section, and I'm thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be more helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section. I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the current with new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)

02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

Hi Vardenis, Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of Inkscape tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he first started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he ALWAYS calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned it, he still keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think they are helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users. Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I think only a few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes, very good! I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check it out. Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials page more current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you are going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape project, and edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Hello, Brynn, Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with your website and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section in website, Thanks for you help. ;-) I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick Saporito (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists), he have playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner Tutorials, Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface Tutorials, Inkscape Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in Inkscape, too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists ) for game art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless patterns, too in channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape And Drawing have interesting tutorials (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y bkhs).

I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and more interest.

What do you thinks about that?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)

02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what I consider the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain any errors or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com /index.php It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll make it current pretty soon.

I have a plan to bring them all over to the website, eventually, but can't start on it until I finish with other projects first. But I'd be glad to help you, if you wanted or needed it.

One thing which could probably be done right away, is to put a link on that page, to this page https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/. They aren't all video tutorials, but those that are, are certainly more current.

Maybe I'll add a note on that page, with the link, and also asking for volunteers. (I wonder if Victor would be interested, too? I know he's looking to help out.)

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM To: Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 18:30 +0200, Vardenis Pavardenis wrote:

Hello, "Video Tutorials" section in website is very, very old. Videos in this section is about from 2007 years. I don't say these tutorials is bad, but maybe is better to replace these tutorials to newer (video quality low, etc.) or redesign this section in website (Because is hard to share all new tutorial's, and I'm think most people searching in YouTube or something like Vimeo) ? In YouTube and Vimeo there are many who create Inkscape video tutorials.

I believe the job of Video Tutorial curator is available if you'd like to have a go.

The first thing to do is to think about what's out there, maybe make a list of all the really great stuff, then think about how you'd put it together on a website.

Sound like fun?

Best Regards, Martin Owens Website Administrator

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Am 03.01.2017 um 23:50 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis:

I'm thinking now about just editing this list, but Marten idea too wonderful, but it's hard to achieve, but I try to contact some authors of videos to upload videos in inkscape.org too. Make list is a lot easer I think, and sure I can try (if it good, some edit and update), about list I'm thinking first of all "Inkscape Explained" (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC)) it's must know for all beginners(IMO), then some videos from beginner, intermediate, logo design. how to draw from Sid Arts, game art/animation from Chris Hildenbrand and if I found from others and paste (pastebin) in here in format: Author AuthorChannelUrl with narration VideoUrl VideoDescription

I'm think I can do that (beta. :-))) in few days or less. Deal?

- Sounds wonderful to me :) I'm happy with any kind of update.

If you like, you can already have a think about how you would layout the page. Brynn is right about the nested lists being not easy to look at.

Regards, Maren

04.01.2017, 00:37, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

...

So now you don't want to edit Video Tutorials page? Just so I'm clear what's happening.

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if authors agree to upload videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in page Top 10 or something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and request that they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-)

04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68... mailto:maren@...68...>:

Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:

I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site. But again, that's not something I can start on right away.

• But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he

might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is still open, no decision was made).

But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all those bullets came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)

But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.

• He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the

switch, not sure.

Maren

Thanks

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn: I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials page. But now we are putting them in the gallery?

• I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page

entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination, commenting ...

I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new videos to be added by their creators.

But maybe that would be going too far?

Regards, Maren

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, External Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.

03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78... mailto:brynn@...78...>:

I don't understand what this means:

• He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.

Thanks

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:

Hi Vardenis, I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be better not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already are mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/). However, you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column, where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text? Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video tutorials?

• Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The

tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the extensions.

(I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)

      But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's

asking to have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.

• He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will

work automatically.

I haven't ever done that before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like. I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like. I'll do it in just a few minutes. But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it. Are all YT videos automatically public domain?

• Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.

Regards, Maren

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and don't upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current video tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.

03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78... mailto:brynn@...78...>:

First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis Cc: Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can add text and other important information like the license (if there is one).

This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the gallery widgets.

Martin,

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:

No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of tutorials, with a link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page needs some attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be organized like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.

Thanks for your help, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with me). I'm not editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section, and I'm thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be more helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section. I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the current with new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)

02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <brynn@...78... mailto:brynn@...78...>:

Hi Vardenis, Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of Inkscape tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he first started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he ALWAYS calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned it, he still keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think they are helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users. Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I think only a few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes, very good! I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check it out. Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials page more current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you are going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape project, and edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Hello, Brynn, Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with your website and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section in website, Thanks for you help. ;-) I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick Saporito (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists), he have playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner Tutorials, Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface Tutorials, Inkscape Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in Inkscape, too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists ) for game art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless patterns, too in channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape And Drawing have interesting tutorials (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y bkhs).

I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and more interest.

What do you thinks about that?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)

02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <brynn@...78... mailto:brynn@...78...>:

I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what I consider the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain any errors or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/ /index.php It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll make it current pretty soon.

I have a plan to bring them all over to the website, eventually, but can't start on it until I finish with other projects first. But I'd be glad to help you, if you wanted or needed it.

One thing which could probably be done right away, is to put a link on that page, to this page https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/. They aren't all video tutorials, but those that are, are certainly more current.

Maybe I'll add a note on that page, with the link, and also asking for volunteers. (I wonder if Victor would be interested, too? I know he's looking to help out.)

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM To: Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 18:30 +0200, Vardenis Pavardenis wrote:

Hello, "Video Tutorials" section in website is very, very old. Videos in this section is about from 2007 years. I don't say these tutorials is bad, but maybe is better to replace these tutorials to newer (video quality low, etc.) or redesign this section in website (Because is hard to share all new tutorial's, and I'm think most people searching in YouTube or something like Vimeo) ? In YouTube and Vimeo there are many who create Inkscape video tutorials.

I believe the job of Video Tutorial curator is available if you'd like to have a go.

The first thing to do is to think about what's out there, maybe make a list of all the really great stuff, then think about how you'd put it together on a website.

Sound like fun?

Best Regards, Martin Owens Website Administrator

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks, I'm post this only for discussion. :-)

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Am 04.01.2017 um 01:04 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis:

Great. :-) I'm made simple ideas how to layout list of tutorials in here: https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10565/ https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10565/Maybe Brynn, it's good for you after full list is done? Maybe anyone comments about layout, ideas? :-) Thanks. ;-)

- Just an idea: Maybe rather not copy-paste the video description, but write something very short yourself? We can help with the wording, don't let language stop you ;-)

The order of things looks good to me.

Regards, Maren

04.01.2017, 00:55, "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...>:

...

Am 03.01.2017 um 23:50 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis:

 I'm thinking now about just editing this list, but Marten idea too
 wonderful, but it's hard to achieve, but I try to contact some
authors
 of videos to upload videos in inkscape.org too.
 Make list is a lot easer I think, and sure I can try (if it good,
some
 edit and update), about list I'm thinking first of all "Inkscape
 Explained"
 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC
<https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC)>)
 it's must know for all beginners(IMO), then some videos from
beginner,
 intermediate, logo design. how to draw from Sid Arts, game
art/animation
 from Chris Hildenbrand and if I found from others and paste
(pastebin)
 in here in format:
 Author AuthorChannelUrl
 with narration
 VideoUrl
 VideoDescription

 I'm think I can do that (beta. :-))) in few days or less. Deal?

• Sounds wonderful to me :) I'm happy with any kind of update.

If you like, you can already have a think about how you would layout the page. Brynn is right about the nested lists being not easy to look at.

Regards, Maren

 04.01.2017, 00:37, "brynn" <brynn@...78... <mailto:brynn@...78...>>:


     So now you don't want to edit Video Tutorials page? Just so
    I'm clear
     what's
     happening.

     Thanks,
     brynn

     -----Original Message-----
     From: Vardenis Pavardenis
     Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:22 PM
     To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ;
    inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
    <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
     <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
    <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>>
     Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section
    in website


     I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if
    authors agree
     to upload
     videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in
    page Top
     10 or
     something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and
     request that
     they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-)


     04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...
    <mailto:maren@...68...>
     <mailto:maren@...68...
    <mailto:maren@...68...>>>:


     Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:


     I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had
    a chance
     to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is
    doing for
     extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the
    site. But
     again, that's not something I can start on right away.



     - But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder
    if he
     might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward,
    instead of
     a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if
    we still
     want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and
    the field is
     still open, no decision was made).



     But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page
    a little
     more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all
    those bullets
     came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did
    (years ago)

     But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.



     - He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation
    for the
     switch, not sure.

     Maren



     Thanks

     -----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann
     Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM
     To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
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     <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
    <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>>
     Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section
    in website

     Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:
     I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video
    Tutorials
     page. But
     now we are putting them in the gallery?

     - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission
    that page
     entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do
    it just as
     well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
     commenting ...

     I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier
    for new
     videos to be added by their creators.

     But maybe that would be going too far?

     Regards,
     Maren

     -----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
     Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM
     To: brynn
     Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section
    in website


     https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name,
    Descriptin,
     External
     Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.


     03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78...
    <mailto:brynn@...78...> <mailto:brynn@...78...
    <mailto:brynn@...78...>>>:


     I don't understand what this means:



     - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.



     Thanks

     -----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann
     Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM
     To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
    <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
     <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
    <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>>
     Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section
    in website

     Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:


     Hi Vardenis,
               I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking
    it would be
     better
     not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well,
    they
     already
     are
     mixed up in the gallery
    (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).
     However,
     you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on
    the right
     column,
     where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white
    text?
               Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author
    did not
     put such a
     tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's
    blank, as
     if there
     were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to
    the video
     tutorials?



     - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the
    gallery. The
     tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works
    for the
     extensions.

     (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this
    question.)


               But Martin is talking about something else, I
    think. He's
     asking to
     have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.



     - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The
    embedding will
     work automatically.



     I haven't ever done that
     before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like.
               I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex
    vids, because
     I know
     they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's
    going to look
     like.
     I'll do it in just a few minutes.
               But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and
     embedding it.
     Are
     all YT videos automatically public domain?



     - Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.

     Regards,
     Maren




     Thanks,
     brynn

     -----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
     Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
     To: brynn
     Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section
    in website


     I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video
    Tutorials)
     and
     don't
     upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section
     (current
     video
     tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more
    text
     based than
     videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to
    tutorials
     category
     (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become
    a bit of
     a mess
     and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense.
    What do you
     thinks?

     Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.


     03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78...
    <mailto:brynn@...78...> <mailto:brynn@...78...
    <mailto:brynn@...78...>>>:


     First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video
    watcher.
     Is there
     no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?

     Thanks,
     brynn

     -----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens
     Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
     To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
     Cc: Inkscape-Docs
     Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section
    in website

     Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website,
    if you add
     the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and
    you can
     add text and other important information like the license (if
    there is
     one).

     This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages
    using the
     gallery widgets.

     Martin,

     On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:


     No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of
     tutorials, with a
     link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That
    page
     needs some
     attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it
    got to be
     organized
     like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.

     Thanks for your help,
     brynn

     -----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
     Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
     To: brynn
     Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
     website


     No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't
    agree with
     me). I'm not
     editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials"
    section,
     and I'm
     thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials
    can be
     more
     helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
     I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar
    to the
     current with
     new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)


     02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <brynn@...78...
    <mailto:brynn@...78...> <mailto:brynn@...78...
    <mailto:brynn@...78...>>>:


     Hi Vardenis,
                Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a
    huge amount of
     Inkscape
     tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
     first
     started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy
    that he
     ALWAYS
     calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I
    mentioned
     it, he still
     keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think
     they are
     helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
                Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text
    tutorials. I
     think only a
     few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos?
    But yes,
     very good!
                I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link
    and check
     it out.
                Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video
    Tutorials
     page more
     current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say
    that you
     are
     going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape
     project, and
     edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.

     All best,
     brynn

     -----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
     Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
     To: brynn
     Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
     website


     Hello, Brynn,
     Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help
    with
     your website
     and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials
    section
     in website,
     Thanks for you help. ;-)
     I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick
     Saporito
     (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists),
     he have
     playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape
    Beginner
     Tutorials,
     Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface
     Tutorials, Inkscape
     Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced
    topics in
     Inkscape,
     too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials(
     https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists
    )
     for game
     art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless
     patterns, too in
     channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art -
    Inkscape
     And Drawing
     have interesting tutorials
     (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y
     bkhs).

     I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more
    modern and
     more
     interest.

     What do you thinks about that?

     Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)


     02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <brynn@...78...
    <mailto:brynn@...78...> <mailto:brynn@...78...
    <mailto:brynn@...78...>>>:


     I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list
    of what
     I consider
     the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't
    contain
     any errors
     or outdated steps) on my website:
    https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com
    <https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/>
     <https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/>
     /index.php
     It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll
    make it
     current
     pretty soon.

     I have a plan to bring them all over to the website,
    eventually, but
     can't start
     on it until I finish with other projects first. But I'd be
    glad to
     help you, if
     you wanted or needed it.

     One thing which could probably be done right away, is to put
    a link
     on that
     page, to this page
    https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/. They
     aren't all
     video tutorials, but those that are, are certainly more current.

     Maybe I'll add a note on that page, with the link, and also
    asking
     for
     volunteers. (I wonder if Victor would be interested, too? I
    know he's
     looking
     to help out.)

     All best,
     brynn

     -----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens
     Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM
     To: Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs
     Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
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     On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 18:30 +0200, Vardenis Pavardenis wrote:


     Hello,
     "Video Tutorials" section in website is very, very old. Videos in
     this section is about from 2007 years. I don't say these
    tutorials is
     bad, but maybe is better to replace these tutorials to newer
    (video
     quality low, etc.) or redesign this section in website
    (Because is
     hard to share all new tutorial's, and I'm think most people
    searching
     in YouTube or something like Vimeo) ?
     In YouTube and Vimeo there are many who create Inkscape video
     tutorials.



     I believe the job of Video Tutorial curator is available if you'd
     like
     to have a go.

     The first thing to do is to think about what's out there,
    maybe make
     a
     list of all the really great stuff, then think about how
    you'd put it
     together on a website.

     Sound like fun?

     Best Regards, Martin Owens
     Website Administrator



     Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks, I'm post this only for
     discussion. :-)
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Hi Guys,

I've been sick (and still am) so I'm trying to follow this thread as best I can, if you still have questions, you can ask me like this: "A question for Martin: Blah blah blah" and I'll hopefully see it.

• I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page

entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination, commenting ...

I agree and would like to see the page replaced.

I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new videos to be added by their creators.

The idea of video embedding is really to collect resources and empower non-admins to add content. Tutorial videos or svg images, the only extra for videos is that they are links to a video site with a thumbnail instead of the actual video file.

But maybe that would be going too far?

Nope, well within reason.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Thu, 2017-01-05 at 23:51 -0700, brynn wrote:

Another thought I had.  Video tutorial authors might be more inclined to upload  videos, if they could upload small batches in one go, instead of one at a time.  Would that be really hard to provide?

We really DO NOT want people uploading videos to the inkscape website.

We only want the video links. Video links can be added by anyone and I wouldn't mind having a generic inkscape user to collect them all under if we need to. Linking to videos is allowed by anyone.

The system is only a matter of cataloguing so we don't have to do so much manual work. Esp for translations and updates.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

P.S. Maren, I should check to make sure that our pages don't say "by Username" when the item is "I have permission" instead of "I own this work"

Hi Vardenis, I hope I can find a way to display the info, without all the bullets (black squares and circles and dots). In my opinion, that's what makes the page look so bad now. I think I might try a table. Or maybe a small table for each author? I can't promise that I'll be able to use your format. But we can do trial and error, until we find something that works for everyone. As soon as I get your list, I can start working on it. After I've formatted, let's say 25% of the list, I'll show everyone how it looks, or maybe I'll try a couple of different formats, and we can discuss from there. I suppose there's no way to make a custom bullet, is there? I can see the list format working, with more subtle bullets. Maybe gray instead of black, or something else -- smaller bullets maybe? Sylvain, if you're watching this thread, maybe you know about that? I guess I've done it in the past, by list style. But I'm not sure how hard it would be to do on this website.

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 4:45 AM To: Martin Owens ; brynn ; Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Hello, I was a little busy these days, sorry. :-) I'm too agree that you will not need upload all YouTube videos to the gallery, but just update "Video Tutorials" with new tutorials, or entire redesign or delete this page, but maybe just update. :-) I don't know how exactly works editor, but someone agree with format I give? (https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10565/) It can be: Nick Saporito @YouTube Inkscape Explained < playlist link. Inkscape Explained: Path Functions < video link In this video I'll be going over the Path menu in Inkscape. <video description

...with a lot black circles and black squares. :-)

06.01.2017, 11:46, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...2...>:

On Thu, 2017-01-05 at 23:51 -0700, brynn wrote:

Another thought I had. Video tutorial authors might be more inclined to upload videos, if they could upload small batches in one go, instead of one at a time. Would that be really hard to provide?

We really DO NOT want people uploading videos to the inkscape website.

We only want the video links. Video links can be added by anyone and I wouldn't mind having a generic inkscape user to collect them all under if we need to. Linking to videos is allowed by anyone.

The system is only a matter of cataloguing so we don't have to do so much manual work. Esp for translations and updates.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

P.S. Maren, I should check to make sure that our pages don't say "by Username" when the item is "I have permission" instead of "I own this work"

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Le 07/01/2017 à 04:49, brynn a écrit :

    I suppose there's no way to make a custom bullet, is there?  I can see 

the list format working, with more subtle bullets. Maybe gray instead of black, or something else -- smaller bullets maybe? Sylvain, if you're watching this thread, maybe you know about that? I guess I've done it in the past, by list style. But I'm not sure how hard it would be to do on this website.

https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/l/list-style/ You can only have: * a disc (default), * a circle (default for nested list), * a square (default for list nested several times), * nothing, * a custom image.

I also think the page is ugly. The first thing to do is to use more headings for the tree, at least for authors, like here: https://inkscape.org/fr/apprendre/tutoriels-video/ I tried to remove the circles (leaving only the discs) but it looks like the editor doesn’t allow `list-style`. -- Sylvain

Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a proper solution to the problem... We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't like to see it repeated.

Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, and mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.

Maren

Am 10.01.2017 um 20:37 schrieb brynn:

...

• a custom image.

I might make a couple of example bullets. Nothing fancy, because here, I think we need something subtle. If I make a custom bullets, I guess I would have to give you and/or Maren the file, so you can upload it. After that, how would I call on that custom bullet, when I’m want to use it?

Yes, I like how you reorganized that page. That looks much better already.

Maybe I can do the same thing. I mean, start experimenting on the current page, instead of waiting for Vardenis’ list.

I have to leave for a dentist appointment in a few minutes, otherwise I’d start right now. Maybe tonight I can start.

Thanks for the info Sylvain :-)

PS - sorry if you're seeing blue text, I'm not sure what happened - didn't know plain text could have any color but black - working to fix :-)

---

From: Sylvain Chiron Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:27 AM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Le 07/01/2017 à 04:49, brynn a écrit :

...

    I suppose there's no way to make a custom bullet, is there?  I can see

the list format working, with more subtle bullets. Maybe gray instead of black, or something else -- smaller bullets maybe? Sylvain, if you're watching this thread, maybe you know about that? I guess I've done it in the past, by list style. But I'm not sure how hard it would be to do on this website.

https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/l/list-style/ You can only have:

• a disc (default),
• a circle (default for nested list),
• a square (default for list nested several times),
• nothing,
• a custom image.

I also think the page is ugly. The first thing to do is to use more headings for the tree, at least for authors, like here: https://inkscape.org/fr/apprendre/tutoriels-video/ I tried to remove the circles (leaving only the discs) but it looks like the editor doesn’t allow `list-style`. -- Sylvain

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On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:

Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a proper solution to the problem... We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't like to see it repeated.

Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, and mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.

I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get links added correctly.

Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.

But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with positive review.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn:

I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video authors will want to go to the trouble to upload their....links. And having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones, which are not in the gallery.

- Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate 'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful for others...

Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe - just a thought.

- I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison to a gallery page (for me).

As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at.

Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well? vimeo, e.g.

- All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other providers can be added as needed.

Regards, Maren

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:

...

Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a proper solution to the problem... We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't like to see it repeated.

Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, and mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.

I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get links added correctly.

Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.

But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with positive review.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Am 11.01.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis:

Hello, Matin Owens said: "Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is." and he doing website improvements. So, maybe just wait and don't update if really this page change form from current form to new form. Lessons list can be created easily, if something agrees with my suggestion, but if the page really change whether it's worth it to build?

Hi Vardenis,

- I find it would be extremely valuable to have an up-to-date, reviewed list of useful videos, which could then be added to the gallery. It's a lot of work to view them all, and then to categorize them, but I'm sure this would benefit many people. Just now I have answered a user question with a link to youtube - it would be so much better to answer it with a link to our gallery :)

I would like it a lot to see them tagged with difficulty levels (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced - just like Brynn does on her website for the text tutorials).

As for tutorial series, it's maybe enough to add the first one in the row/difficulty level, and then tell people that there are tons of others, and roughly what topics they cover (at least, if the author of the series doesn't answer if they are okay with a curated set of their videos being embedded in the Inkscape website's gallery).

Kind Regards, Maren

11.01.2017, 05:22, "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...>:

...

Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn:

 I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video
 authors will want to go to the trouble to upload their....links. And
 having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best
ones,
 which are not in the gallery.

• Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could

have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate 'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful for others...

 Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text
Tutorials
 page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe
- just
 a thought.

• I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's

just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison to a gallery page (for me).

 As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at.

 Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well?
vimeo,
 e.g.

• All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other

providers can be added as needed.

Regards, Maren

 All best,
 brynn

 -----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens
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 To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
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 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
website

 On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:

     Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when
    seemingly, we
     all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a
     proper
     solution to the problem...
     We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I
    don't
     like
     to see it repeated.

     Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they
    like,
     and
     mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be
    good to
     have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with
    how to do
     this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.


 I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will
help get
 links added correctly.

 Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.

 But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with
 positive review.

 Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Hi Brynn,

Most of what you say is right.

Well, something still feels weird about this kind of routine.

It's perfectly normal for the internet. It's just like putting links into a spreadsheet instead of a text document. We have more flexibility with the spreadsheet as it's DATA, rather than text, which must be reformatted manually every time.

I assume it takes more resources - bandwidth, space, cpu or other?

To host our own? Yeah, it's 300 times more pressure than a text file and 20 times more pressure than a large image.

We'd need a server FARM, rather than a single machine. So since we can embed and link to youtube we do that. Wven my own videos will be on youtube and I'll be generally deleting any large videos that might be uploaded by other people since as an administrator I draw the line as hosting video directly.

Of course there may be future exceptions, but I feel this is a fairly good baseline rule.

to do it using the  gallery, than just a simple text link. I guess I'm just old fashioned.  I'd  rather see nicely organized text, lists or table, where potentially hundreds of  tutorials can be linked on one page.

That's the elegance of DATA, we can turn the links into a list and design a page for the content that's disconnected from the actual content. So management of which videos becomes a parallel job that ANYONE can do, and page design becomes something that web designers do in code.

The DATA can also be indexed, so text searches and drill down categorisation become possible. Overall it's much better to have this sort of thing in a SYSTEM, than to have it in a manually curated text file.

Or is it never in the plans?  I think it would make the website even  better.

In this case, there's no clear benefit to hosting our own. Only costs and burdens to us. Youtube (and others) so a fine job allowing embedding and handle many hairy issues for us.

Our job is to integrate well enough to make it worthwhile for people to list their tutorials on the website. I'm hoping the new link function will make that easier.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

Hi Maren and all, So you're saying that you don't see a need for tutorials to be curated at all? So that searching the Inkscape website for a tutorial offers the visitor no more assurance that they'll find a decent tutorial, than if they search the internet? It seems to me like the Inkscape website should bear some responsibility for providing quality content (even if it's not its own content), especially regarding tutorials.

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 7:35 PM To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis ; Martin Owens ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Hi Brynn and Vardenis, and everyone else,

just answering Brynn's questions now.

Am 13.01.2017 um 02:44 schrieb brynn:

   That's assuming it's allowed to have 2 words in a single tag?

- Yes, that is possible.

Everyone,

-- I would suggest that whoever uploads the video should have watched it all the way through. Sometimes a video gets uploaded (to YT or vimeo) which is broken - either the video or the sound craps out halfway through, for example. Or sometimes they're just poor quality video or sound.

- This is possible for videos where 'we' post the link, but not for videos uploaded by 'just any' user. We can maybe add a way to mark videos as 'featured' or 'recommendable' (e.g. by uploading it under a specified user name, or into a specific gallery, or by a mechanism that would still need to be added or repurposed), but letting users decide, by upvoting, is much easier on our staff resources.

Should we discuss and post guidelines for tutorials that we want to....I can't think of the right word? Not exactly "bless", but we're essentially recommending or approving them. And it seems like if anyone can load anyone else's tutorials, there should be some kind of quality control.

- All we may be checking for in 'anybody''s uploads is that they do not contain spam, or are intentionally misleading. For the rest, if your neighbour makes a little video, where he presents his favourite Inkscape tool to the world, he's welcome to link it from the Inkscape website.

When I was thinking of doing it, all that stuff is already in my mind. But if all kinds of people will do it, I wonder if there should be some guidelines?

- The guidelines are in the community CoC. A video is just a resource like any other one.

Either that, or new ones will need to be moderated (by a moderator watching or reading the whole thing, judging its quality, and possibly tagging). And it seems like the person who uploads it should bear that burden. Moderators will already have a lot of work to do, and watching new videos will take more time.

- Yes, people who upload a video link, or artwork, or tutorial, or anything are responsible for their uploads. Moderator(s) currently have a very light job, there's little to do, fortunately. It takes me less than 15 minutes a day to check all uploads, and unpublish or delete, deactivate user accounts if suitable, or add more or less encouraging comments and questions.

I wonder if it might be better for 1 person to be responsible for judging the skill level (beginner, intermediate, advanced)? Because people are going to be all over the place with that, and I fear that those ratings will quickly become useless (if they aren't consistent).

- If someone disputes the difficulty level of a video, they can always ask for it to be changed in a comment. It's not a strict science, so even when a single person does it, it may feel very different for another person. For the videos that we 'feature', if we decide to do so, the input of everyone who is interested in watching the videos will be taken into account for setting the level. I doubt it's a topic we'll want to have long discussions about, though.

   I'm not sure if there will be some kind of limit on the number of

videos, or tutorials in general?

- Links are tiny in our db, so this won't be a problem.

   So if I'm understanding how it works better, the only difference

between clicking on a text link, and clicking on a video in the gallery, is that it can possibly have a thumbnail image in the gallery? (Oh! When contacting the author, I would ask if they want to provide a thumbnail.)

- That, and that the video can be watched while you stay on the Inkscape website.

   So that's why there's no copyright issue.  We aren't actually

uploading their videos. Instead, we're....well, it would be sort of hotlinking, except for YT does allow that, since they even provide the embedding code themselves.

- It's called embedding :)

   Well, something still feels weird about this kind of routine.  I

assume it takes more resources - bandwidth, space, cpu or other? to do it using the gallery, than just a simple text link.

- Possibly. On the upside, people can sort to their liking, use the upvotes of others as recommendations, and use a search, they can comment, interact. It's so much more interactive and community-building than a list. Also more visually attractive...

I guess I'm just old fashioned. I'd rather see nicely organized text, lists or table, where potentially hundreds of tutorials can be linked on one page.

- Maybe :) Those kinds of pages are rare nowadays. People aren't used to see them a lot anymore.

The visitor can quickly scan the page for the category they need. Rather than a gallery entry, where you can only see....what is it, 20 at once. And you have to search for your catagory, where if you don't already know the terminology of what you're looking for, you won't be very successful finding it. And the website speed.....well, I hope we get more space sooner than later.

- I hope so, too. And more RAM :)

  If and when we get more server space, could we host our own video

tutorials? Or is it never in the plans? I think it would make the website even better. (And of course, not depending on other websites for content is a plus.)

- That's difficult to do, because video files are so large. Also, we'd get more people to find them if they're hosted on a website like youtube. And most uploaders use those public services anyway. Uploading twice is a lot to ask, it takes a long time to upload a video, depending upon your internet connection.

Hope this helps a bit, Regards, Maren

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:44 AM To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; Martin Owens ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Hello, Matin Owens said: "Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is." and he doing website improvements. So, maybe just wait and don't update if really this page change form from current form to new form. Lessons list can be created easily, if something agrees with my suggestion, but if the page really change whether it's worth it to build?

11.01.2017, 05:22, "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...>:

Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn:

I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video authors will want to go to the trouble to upload their....links. And having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones, which are not in the gallery.

• Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could

have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate 'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful for others...

Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe - just a thought.

• I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's

just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison to a gallery page (for me).

As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at.

Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well? vimeo, e.g.

• All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other

providers can be added as needed.

Regards, Maren

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote: Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a proper solution to the problem... We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't like to see it repeated.

Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, and mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.

I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get links added correctly.

Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.

But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with positive review.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Haha!

it will bear as much responsibility for tagging tutorials

as 'good' or 'vetted' as there are volunteers to do the vetting.

So when we have a tag for "good" or "vetted" should there be guidelines for using it? Because what one sees as good will not necessarily be what all consider good. I couldn't tell you how many not very good tutorials I've seen called "good".

In Maren's reply, she said:

• The guidelines are in the community CoC. A video is just a resource

like any other one.

I disagree. The CoC is about personal conduct, not quality of content.

Back to Martin said:

If

there is no one (or no one that knows what to do yet) then there is no vetting.

Well, I'm entirely willing to do that, although as I mentioned, I can't start on it yet. But if we had guidelines, then anyone else could start. And plus, even when I have time, all kinds of other people are still going to be able to upload links.

But I'd like to get a collection of tutorials built up before we drive

it to perfection.

Why?

If it's as simple as making a "good" or "vetted" tag, and writing guidelines, why not get started? It shouldn't take any huge amount of effort to discuss and agree on a few simple guidelines. Of course, I don't know what it takes to create a tag, but it seems like it should be fairy easy (by someone who already knows how and has the proper access).

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:56 AM To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net ; Maren Hachmann Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 22:35 -0700, brynn wrote:

It seems to me like the Inkscape website should bear some responsibility for providing quality content (even if it's not its own content), especially regarding tutorials.

And it will, it will bear as much responsibility for tagging tutorials as 'good' or 'vetted' as there are volunteers to do the vetting. If there is no one (or no one that knows what to do yet) then there is no vetting.

But that does not mean we do not have a process in mind for tagging and marking tutorials as 'good' in the future.

But I'd like to get a collection of tutorials built up before we drive it to perfection.

Martin,

re-titled from "Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website"

Sounds good to me. Well, thank you for your trust and confidence. This is the perfect size of project that can probably be finished while we're waiting for OSUOSL. I don't expect it will be very much larger than the suggestions I made earlier.

(fyi, we already do have 55 tutorials! Although some are the Example files. But still that's not a small amount.)

Just for video tutorials? Why not extend to all? Most things could apply to both. (such as making sure it's not outdated, read/watch all the way through, doesn't give incorrect info, possibly contacting author, e.g.) Also, "vet" or "curate"?

I think it would be good to discuss the details on the list, because input from others can only make it better, imo. If something needs a specific response from you, we'll specifically ask, and otherwise, I'm sure you'll be reviewing the list as usual :-)

Where should these guidelines be posted?

For example, they could probably be brief enough to fit in the black space between the menu and the tutorials (on this page https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/ starts with "A collection of video...."). Although that space generally seems to introduce the page, rather than give instructions.

Hhmm, well I guess the Extensions page does give instructions in the black area.... (ref: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=extension/)

Or it could be a link in the upload form, like the CoC link.....oh, I thought I saw there was a link there previously. Aaahh, I must be thinking of Comments. Well, it could be a link like that, in the upload form. Possibly so that it only shows when Tutorials category is selected?

(Actually, I wonder why there's not a reference or link to the CoC on the upload form? Is just too much maybe?)

Any other ideas about where to put this? Anyone else with ideas about guidelines, please chime in :-)

I'm about to log off for awhile, but I'll put any suggestions that are posted together with the ones I mentioned before, sometime next week, and make a first draft.

All best, brynn ps - Idea: Just like the extensions can identify which version it works with (if the uploader tags it), can the tutorials be tagged for which version was in use by the author, when the tutorial was made?

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 12:51 PM To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net ; Maren Hachmann Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Sat, 2017-01-14 at 12:22 -0700, brynn wrote:

If it's as simple as making a "good" or "vetted" tag, and writing guidelines, why not get started?

Why not indeed. I trust you wholly with creating a simple set of guidelines, I think you made a good start in the previous email.

You may wish to discuss, but I'm happy enough not to.

The videos tutorials will be in two great categories: unvetted (all video tutorials added by anyone) and vetted (videos checked against your checklist). Getting a list of vetted videos is not critical, so we can be patient for your guidance and help sorting the content when the time is right.

In the mean time, anyone is free to add tutorial links to the website.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

Am 06.01.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Martin Owens:

P.S. Maren, I should check to make sure that our pages don't say "by Username" when the item is "I have permission" instead of "I own this work"

? *scratches head*

Is there anything you're asking me to do here? I'm not sure I know which items you may be referring to, though...

Regards, Maren