Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape can be extremely frustrating

Guys, To see whatever object you have on Inkscape canvas, doesn't matter if invisible or not, just go to "Object" > "Objects...". All of the objects will be there. I was the one that requested this feature way and was REALLY glad this was implemented! Extremely handy feature. Just like the Blender panel with all of the objects present in the Blender viewports. ;-) --Victor Westmann On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 3:17 PM, Maren Hachmann <maren@...3112...> wrote: > Am 30.08.2018 um 23:01 schrieb C R: > > > It can't ever catch all the cases, though. Layers? Groups? Too much > > blur? A clip or mask? Other objects above in a different layer? > There > > are so many of those that cause drawing invisible objects, and > Inkscape > > doesn't help with determining the cause (btw. opacity at 0 is the > most > > frequent cause, esp. as there is a bug about the opacity indicator > field > > in the current stable version, after that comes 'fill alpha at 0'. > 'no > > stroke, no fill' is a lot rarer, in my experience). > > > > > > I'm sure we can catch some or most of these. I still maintain it's an > > error to draw a shape with no fill and no stroke, regardless of the > > reason ... with the possible exception of masking or clipping. I don't > > see how groups would be a problem unless the group were set to 0% > > opacity... > > - Happens, unfortunately. And people don't notice they are in one when > they try to draw something. > > > another thing whic is inadvisable for all the same reasons. > > :) Regardless, if the user hits escape twice, it exits out of any groups > > etc. We should make sure that at least in this condition, where nothing > > else is interfering, the user is able to draw visible shapes effectively > > without having to tweak anything to see what they are drawing. :) > > > > > > > > - It might be inadvisable, but it's quick and a way that is > currently > > available to change the line width of a line drawing (like a simple > > cartoon). I wasn't talking about gradients, and also not about shape > > properties. > > > > > > A better method is to enter the group, select all, and adjust the > > line-width there. Being able to set the stroke, but not stroke gradient, > > or fill but not fill gradient on a group is inconsistent behaviour and > > needs to be fixed one way or the other - either the group is treated > > like selecting all its contents, or the group needs to be treated like a > > separate shape. Right now its both, and is confusing and inconsistent > UX. > > - I can set the fill and stroke gradient for a group just fine (in both > master and 0.92.x), what are the cases in which this doesn't work? > > Your suggested change can make some actions take a lot longer, because > one needs to select only objects that have a stroke in a group, to > change their stroke width. > > > > > > > I just don't expect Inkscape to add a stroke when I change the line > > width - I understand that it might help new users, but it's also > > illogical. > > > > > > Currently, if the user adjusts the line width and there's no stroke, the > > value is thrown away entirely. That's absolutely apalling UX. :) > > - It doesn't do that for me in 0.92.x, which I routinely use. But the > behavior is new in master - and I just noticed someone removed the > stroke width indicator in the lower left corner! Why was that removed? I > use it so often for quick adjustments. > > I think these are bugs. This can't be intentional... > > Maren > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user