Nicu Buculei ha scritto:
davide|inkscapegallery wrote:
maybe i was unhappy when i've read for the first time but this is exactly what i need now.
You should not be. You can see after the first image I uploaded a couple more, so this is a sign of interest. Also you should see my report as a sign of interest, if I didn't cared, deleting the entire thread without reading is very simple.
Nicu i'm sorry if i couldn't explain what i meant... I've really appreciated your report and, as you saw, i seriously considered everything you remarked. I was just trying to say that i'm really doing my best to make inkscape gallery as good as i wanted and that i've a little bit of suffering when i read that something is wrong but this isn't your fault :-)
It was a joke, i really hope that many others will do the same as you , using the website, posting their drawings and give me feedback, expecially if it's a "bugs" or issues report.
But i hope someone to consider inkscape gallery overall too, i think many of your concerns pointed to core choices and we can work on that, they are really important but there's a lot about the web site and i would really make my thought clear: inkscape gallery is a complex project, it is an high level social network software and it involved many custom solutions, many trials to make the software work as i wanted to, this means that i had to make choices, that i wasn't in a "free world" where to do what it seemed reasonable but that i've had to bend drupal to my needs.
So, i introduced you in what i've done but i wanted this to happen: receive feedback, suggestions, advices and critiques too, cause we're going to make it better, day after day, thanks to this relationship with inkscape's users and inkscape gallery's users. I would like the inkscape developers to join us, too. There's a lot we can share with inkscape.org, for example, and collaborating with them would be useful.
The point is: fix what needs to be fixed, populate the website and then release it officially. In the meantime we can imagine upgrades to come, layout improvements, features enhancement and everything to make inkscape gallery our (inkscapers) "visit card", our best inkscape's experience. But this is going to happen only if we believe that there's something new and special in the work i've done and that we will work together to improve it, to give it the best "free" ideas and skills.
I will try to answer to the many issues you remarked:
- an entire row of buttons at the top is aligned incorrectly (I use a
beta of Firefox 3), see: http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/inkscape_gallery.png
Nope, this is a wrong approach. What matters is if the problem is caused by a bug in the browser in in the site layout. In a few months FF3 will be distributed to millions of users, so the bug should be solved, either in your website or in Firefox.
Don't know if it's wrong or not, i mean, they are testing a beta software and obviously they're going to change something and their going to fix something too, we should be ready when it will be soon released, anyway, i tried with firefox 3 but i couldn't test with the beta, had to try with the alpha and everything was ok. So, it seems reasonable (the problem you noticed was pretty corny too, it is text rendering related issue basing on the screenshot) to wait for a stable release and then see if something still needs to be fixed. I'll take care of it.
Sorry, but the SVG support in FF3 is so much improved (and FF3 is so much better as a general browser compared with FF2) that is no turning back for me.
Same as before, we can start planning how to provide svg support in the future, i think that something about svg is going to happen even in the drupal development , so we start now thinking the best way to use svg in the web site but we work for a future upgrade about it. Is it reasonable?
- in the same place, you may consider displaying the license explanation
in a tooltip or pop-up, now a lot of space is wasted;
Sure, a lot of people don't know about CC licenses, but they have the opportunity to learn and make a choice about the favorite license at the first use of the site. On subsequent uses, they want to get as fast as they can to the upload form, the page space they have to scroll down is wasted. This is why I suggested explanation in pop-up windows.
I would agree with you about this, and we could choose to use a different section to show the licenses explanation. There's an easy achievement and it is already working for the italian language. Try to switch to italian and then go to the content creation, you will see a text block in the right column called instrucions (in english...) If we prefer we could do the same for the english content creation. Give me feedback about this.
- the file selector is titled "images" this is confusing: I upload one
image and then it says "If a new image is chosen, the current image will be replaced upon submitting the form", so I can upload an image or more images?
this is fixed, now is labeled: image
Look at it from this point of view: people in this community cares about SVG. If all we want to do is share our graphics, there are plenty of places where we can do that. But we want more: promote the use of SVG.
I take care too, so starting from now we will think how to do that in the "next generation" inkscape gallery web site, together.
- why limit images to 600x600 px? we may want to put wallpapers there;
Why?Cause this was what the layout tolerated, and because we pay a
Then is a problem with your layout.
I didn't say this earlier being afraid you will take it the wrong way, as a flamewar: the layout of your site, with one fixed-width column is not that good. I paid good money for a wide screen LCD and your site display content ony over half of my screen. And it does not allow me to post images made for display on my screen.
Don't worry about how i'm taking this... It was my choice to do something not only for me but for a community and you can share any thought or criticism about it, i just hope you're doing this not to blow upon it. I know that you work in web-design too, and you certainly considered how hard is to provide the best visualization on such a different screens, resolutions, colour depths and more. I tell you what i meant choosing this kind of web-layout, you're allowed to keep thinking that my layout has a problem, anyway: I started planning to do a simple blog like web site and i finished to build a "little monster" and i don't even know how it happened =-O . So fixed width was the starting point, i could choose any different layout but what would have been good for you would be wrong or broken or simply uncomfortable for others. This layout works fine starting from 1024x768 (you have horizontal scroll bars caused by the wings in the main menu background), obviously if you have 1600x1200 it seems there's a lot of wasted space in the page. The only definitive solution i know is to use js to provide different css for different screen resolutions but you have to code that and i had to work so much to do just one css...so...i really couldn't do more than this. This could be another big improvement to do in the future.
But then, why I would want a "normal" account? I want from the start a "special" one, just to not have to deal later with upgrading it (the same rationale for why I see no reason for the current different roles).
Yes, you're right i'll spend some time finding out to show bigger images. I just don't know if it's better doing this right now or waiting the release and doing this after.
This is a good point, why not opening a topic in the forum about that
And subscribe to yet another forum which I will not follow later due to lack of time? Mailing list are more efficient (IMO).
You don't have to subscribe to the inkscape gallery forum, you already registered with an artist account so you may post topic in the forums (thery are two, one in english and one in italian) right now. This is one of the benefits due to the hard choice to use a drupal forum, that is not exactly the best in the forum software world... I agree with you about mailing lists but i think that we are using the wrong tool. We are speaking about the improvement of a web site with its own "space" to do this , in a mailing list. I'm happy about discussing but i think the right place to do is the inkscape gallery forum, IMHO. You don't have to spend your days on inkscape gallery forum, maybe just the time you'll have will be enough.. ;-)
happy but... what are the others waiting for?
Maybe people apply the same policy you are using for FF3 and expect your site to come out of "test"?
Yes Nicu, i think you're right, but i'd like to fix something (i don't like the artists page, many of us will not use most of the fields i provided and every profile takes too much space actually) and we need to populate it with images and speeches especially. Now i posted 10 images or more and then i see 4 images made by other users, it seems my monograph and it's not what we want. Galleries too need images to be beautiful so i'm still wondering if someone is going to post inkscape made images in the next hours or days, then we go :-) I hope you to understand my feelings more than my words, it's still difficult to me doing this in english.. See you, and thanks, really. Da.