RE: [Inkscape-user] Snap to grid no longer working?
[Aewyn]
#- Dear Bulia, #- #- I think you (as developer) try to think instead of the user. #- What can be a little dangerous ;)
My god. Three decades cost us to put in the developers head that they're no developing for developers, that they are developing for users.
The Bulia's attitude is perfect. He (sorry, she?) should, and MUST think as a final user, specially (but not only) in the UI.
And what Bulia says ("Doing anything unexpected is bad UI") is a basic rule for UI design. He's right.
#- It is absolut necessary to snap to grid without see any grid. #- 1., With complex graphics it is very embarrassing to see grids, #- (grid points is bad, bad gridlines worst (btw is there any way to use #- points instead of gridlines?))
I (personally) that doing complex graphics with grids is a bad choice. You can do it (you can also do an enterprise class management system in assembler) but I think that are better ways. For example, you want this line to start where the other line ends, or at the center of that circle.
Is a reallity that this kind of semantics are missing in Inkscape. I hope someday they'll be available (for better reference about this, see AutoCAD 12, where I learned them).
. Facundo
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Quoting "Batista, Facundo" <FBatista@...320...>:
My god. Three decades cost us to put in the developers head that they're no developing for developers, that they are developing for users.
I get the sense that the problem for many projects is that the developers are programmers first, and whatever the application's relevent field is becomes a secondary concern. As a result they don't eat their own dogfood as much as they should.
In contrast, Inkscape developers are probably among the most active users of the application. Bulia in particular, since he uses Inkscape day-to-day in a production graphic design environment.
-mental
hétfő 14 február 2005 19.49 dátummal Batista, Facundo ezt írta:
[Aewyn]
#- Dear Bulia, #- #- I think you (as developer) try to think instead of the user. #- What can be a little dangerous ;)
And what Bulia says ("Doing anything unexpected is bad UI") is a basic rule for UI design. He's right.
It is a little more complex job. As I mentioned snappig grid on/off now needs two hands. What is a horror itself. And I must use, because snap to grid does not work itself. This is a consequence of "developer thinking".
So, the question is not: "Doing anything unexpected is bad UI" is good or bad, but what is the "unexpected". It was unexpected to me.
And this is a tool. If you hit your finger with hammer, you would say: "it was anything unexpected, bad hammer", but just you dont know the hammer. If you know: it it possible to snappig without see any grids, then you won't hit your finger with inkscape. Simple.
In this case, the developer think: "it is good to prohibit the user". But it is not.
In other point of view: I can kill my finger with hammer. It is my freedom. Do not prohibit using a tool as usual. Because that tool will be unusable (but will meets UI desing rules, you are right)
I don't think that inkscape developing goes wrong way. I don't speak in ordinariness. This is one little thing, nothing more. And will be fixed, I think. ;)
Bye, Aewyn
On Monday 14 February 2005 1:49 pm, Batista, Facundo wrote:
For example, you want this line to start where the other line ends, or at the center of that circle.
Is a reallity that this kind of semantics are missing in Inkscape. I hope someday they'll be available (for better reference about this, see AutoCAD 12
For GPL vector graphic software which implements object snapping, see QCad. http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html Snap to end, midpoint, center, etc, also grid. A CAD program is almost useless without that functionality. It would make a nice addition to the capabilities in inkscape.
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:35:40 -0500, Carl Brown <cbsled@...483...> wrote:
For GPL vector graphic software which implements object snapping, see QCad. http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html Snap to end, midpoint, center, etc, also grid. A CAD program is almost useless without that functionality. It would make a nice addition to the capabilities in inkscape.
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1018299&group_id=93...
Alexandre
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