Hi,
There is a publisher who is interested in the book that I have written (http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/index.php) but needs to be convinced that there is a real market for the book. In the proposal I have already quoted the growth in downloads from SourceForge and the inclusion of Inkscape in most major Linux distribution.
Can people on this list think of other ways to document Inkscape's growing popularity?
I believe I am up against poor performance of previous books on Open Source drawing programs (which may account for the fact that there are over 1000 Photoshop books versus about a dozen on Gimp, all but one published four or more years ago.
Thanks,
Tav
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:07:57PM +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
Hi,
There is a publisher who is interested in the book that I have written (http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/index.php) but needs to be convinced that there is a real market for the book. In the proposal I have already quoted the growth in downloads from SourceForge and the inclusion of Inkscape in most major Linux distribution.
Can people on this list think of other ways to document Inkscape's growing popularity?
- Download stats (from SourceForge, etc.) - Magazines that have included Inkscape on CDs and in articles - Conferences where Inkscape has been presented - Growth in activity on the mailing lists - Number of languages Inkscape (and documentation) has been translated to
I believe I am up against poor performance of previous books on Open Source drawing programs (which may account for the fact that there are over 1000 Photoshop books versus about a dozen on Gimp, all but one published four or more years ago.
I don't know much about the gimp books, but it does seem like those would be useful data points. It might be worth adding that your work has been heavily reviewed by the community, and already has served as a critically important resource for many users.
Bryce
there may well be a fair few pre orders waiting out here too :) As long as the price is reasonable I'll take one.
--- Bryce Harrington <bryce@...983...> wrote:
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:07:57PM +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
Hi,
There is a publisher who is interested in the book that I have
written
(http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/index.php) but needs
to be
convinced that there is a real market for the book. In the proposal
I
have already quoted the growth in downloads from SourceForge and
the
inclusion of Inkscape in most major Linux distribution.
Can people on this list think of other ways to document Inkscape's growing popularity?
- Download stats (from SourceForge, etc.)
- Magazines that have included Inkscape on CDs and in articles
- Conferences where Inkscape has been presented
- Growth in activity on the mailing lists
- Number of languages Inkscape (and documentation) has been
translated to
I believe I am up against poor performance of previous books on
Open
Source drawing programs (which may account for the fact that there
are
over 1000 Photoshop books versus about a dozen on Gimp, all but one published four or more years ago.
I don't know much about the gimp books, but it does seem like those would be useful data points. It might be worth adding that your work has been heavily reviewed by the community, and already has served as a critically important resource for many users.
Bryce
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On Thu, 18 May 2006, Bryce Harrington wrote:
I believe I am up against poor performance of previous books on Open Source drawing programs (which may account for the fact that there are over 1000 Photoshop books versus about a dozen on Gimp, all but one published four or more years ago.
I dont disagree but Akkana Peck does have a new book due out soon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590595874/002-3863558-9364040?v=glance&...
I don't know much about the gimp books, but it does seem like those would be useful data points. It might be worth adding that your work has been heavily reviewed by the community, and already has served as a critically important resource for many users.
Even though inkscape is officially unstable and subject to change the lack of a stable 1.0 does cause difficulty for third parties trying to work with us as in this case. I expect the publishers would be very worried about newer versions of the software making the book less attractive and anything you could do to generalise and future-proof your writings would be wise.
On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 11:40 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Can people fill in the lists below? I've looked through the mailing lists, wiki, and Google. I am sure I have missed things.
- Magazines that have included Inkscape on CDs and in articles
Issue 57, Sep. 2004, Linux Format Magazine, Review Issue 58, Oct. 2004, Linux Format Magazine, CD Issue 56, July 2005, Linux Magazine Issue 10, August 2005, RedHat Magazine Romanian Magazine (name?) NewsForge Sep. 2005. TUX Magazine Sep. 2005 Issue 72, Nov. 2005, Linux Format Magazine, Review Issue 74, Dec. 2005, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial C't (Dutch,German?) Jan/Feb 2006, CD Issue 75, Jan. 2006, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial Issue 76, Feb. 2006, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial Issue 77, Mar. 2006, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial Issue 78, Apr. 2006, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial
- Conferences where Inkscape has been presented
SCALE3x (Feb 2005, Los Angeles) Libre Graphics (Mar 2006, Lyon) SVG Open 06 (Oct 2006, Victoria)
Awards:
* 1st 2005 Linux Journal Editor's Choice Awards (Graphics Software). * 2nd (after Gimp): 2005 Linux Journal Readers' Choice Awards (Graphics Software). * Softpedia Editor's Review: 5 stars (Dec 2005).
Thanks,
Tav
On 15 57 Mon May 22?, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 11:40 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Can people fill in the lists below? I've looked through the mailing lists, wiki, and Google. I am sure I have missed things.
- Magazines that have included Inkscape on CDs and in articles
C't (Dutch,German?) Jan/Feb 2006, CD Thanks, Tav
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c't is _the_ german magazine on all things computer.
regards
Uli
Uli Kutzscher schreef:
On 15 57 Mon May 22?, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 11:40 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Can people fill in the lists below? I've looked through the mailing lists, wiki, and Google. I am sure I have missed things.
- Magazines that have included Inkscape on CDs and in articles
C't (Dutch,German?) Jan/Feb 2006, CD Thanks, Tav
Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&da... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
c't is _the_ german magazine on all things computer.
regards
Uli
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There is a Dutch edition, too. Less frequent (10 issues a year). I have to check if Inkscape was indeed included in a 2006 issue.
regards, Jogchum
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 03:57:48PM +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 11:40 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Can people fill in the lists below? I've looked through the mailing lists, wiki, and Google. I am sure I have missed things.
- Magazines that have included Inkscape on CDs and in articles
Issue 57, Sep. 2004, Linux Format Magazine, Review Issue 58, Oct. 2004, Linux Format Magazine, CD Issue 56, July 2005, Linux Magazine Issue 10, August 2005, RedHat Magazine Romanian Magazine (name?) NewsForge Sep. 2005. TUX Magazine Sep. 2005 Issue 72, Nov. 2005, Linux Format Magazine, Review Issue 74, Dec. 2005, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial C't (Dutch,German?) Jan/Feb 2006, CD Issue 75, Jan. 2006, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial Issue 76, Feb. 2006, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial Issue 77, Mar. 2006, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial Issue 78, Apr. 2006, Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial
- Conferences where Inkscape has been presented
SCALE3x (Feb 2005, Los Angeles)
(SCALE '04 ?)
Libre Graphics (Mar 2006, Lyon) SVG Open 06 (Oct 2006, Victoria)
Desktop Developer's Conference (July 2005, Ottawa)
Also, a bunch listed here: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ArticlesAndPresentations
(By the way, can you update that page with the items you've listed in this email?)
Bryce
Awards:
* 1st 2005 Linux Journal Editor's Choice Awards (Graphics Software). * 2nd (after Gimp): 2005 Linux Journal Readers' Choice Awards (Graphics Software). * Softpedia Editor's Review: 5 stars (Dec 2005). Thanks, Tav
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On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 11:40 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Can people fill in the lists below? I've looked through the mailing lists, wiki, and Google. I am sure I have missed things.
- Magazines that have included Inkscape on CDs and in articles
Romanian Magazine (name?)
MyLinux, October 2005, two pages review. Unfortunately the magazine ceased its existence two months later, in December 2005
Updated list:
Magazine Articles, Reviews, and CD's/DVD's that include Inkscape:
Linux Format Magazine, Review Issue 57 Sep. 2004 Linux Magazine, Review Issue 47 Oct. 2004 Linux Format Magazine, CD Issue 58 Oct. 2004 Linux Magazine, Tutorial Issue 56 July 2005 RedHat Magazine Tutorial Issue 10 Aug. 2005 C't (German), CD June 2005 MyLinux (Romanian) Review Sep. 2005 NewsForge Review Sep. 2005 TUX Magazine Tutorial Issues 7-9 Sep-Dec 2005 (3 parts) TodoLinux (Spanish) Oct. 2005 My Linux Oct. 2005 Svet Kompjutera (Serbian) Tutorial Nov. 2005 Linux Format Magazine, Review Issue 72 Nov. 2005 Computer-Bild, Tutorial, CD Nov. 2005 Linux Format Magazine, Tutorial Iss. 74-78 Dec-Apr 2005/6 (5 parts) C't (Dutch) CD Jan/Feb 2006 Linux Magazine (Dutch), Review May 2006 C't (German), Review June 2006 Clickx (Belgium), CD June 2006
As part of another distribution:
Linux Magazine, DVD (Suse) Issue 59 Oct. 2005 Linux Magazine, DVD (Knoppix) Issue 60 Nov. 2005 Linux Magazine, DVD (Suse) Issue 62 Jan. 2006
Conferences:
SCALE 3x (Feb. 2005, Los Angeles, Ted Gould) Desktop Developer's Conference (July 2005, Ottawa, Bryce Harrington) Libre Graphics (Mar. 2006, Lyon, John Phillips, Andy Fitzsimon) SVG Open 06 (Oct. 2006, Victoria)
Awards:
* 1st 2005 Linux Journal Editor's Choice Awards (Graphics Software). * 2nd (after Gimp): 2005 Linux Journal Readers' Choice Awards (Graphics Software). * Softpedia Editor's Review: 5 stars (Dec 2005).
On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 10:50 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
(SCALE '04 ?)
There was not a SCALE '04. SCALE 2x was in November of 2003.
(By the way, can you update that page with the items you've listed in this email?)
Yes, but not for a few days.
Tav
There is a publisher who is interested in the book that I have written(http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/index.php) but needs to be convinced that there is a real market for the book. In the proposal I have already quoted the growth in downloads from SourceForge and the inclusion of Inkscape in most major Linux distribution.
Choosing a publisher is probably a lot more work than a non writer like me would guess. I'm guessing a publisher brings the benefits of marketing, proofreading and distribution. However, if you don't need those benefits, and were willing to take care of the marketing and proofreading yourself, you could go with a self publisher like Lulu.com.
You could let the book prove itself, rather than prove it to the publisher first.
Either way, I'll buy a copy when it's ready. :-)
Hi,
Thanks for all the very useful input!
In sifting through the input and in my own diggings around, I think the most interesting find is from the Debian "Popularity Contest" site (popcon.debian.org), pointed out to me by Colin Marquardt. A little filtering of the data shows that about 7% of Debian users who participate in the automatic poll (more than 12000 users) regularly use Inkscape. This number more than doubled in the past year and shows an exponential growth. The number of users who have Inkscape installed also is increasing rapidly, up to 30%. For comparison, Gimp usage is at about 20% and is relatively flat. xfig usage has dropped to less than 5%. A PNG graph of Inkscape's growth is attached.
See also: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=inkscape (Turn on percentage to normalize the graph to the number of overall users.
Tav
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