10:16 a.m.
Hi Friends,
I'll explain the problem here, before posting on LP. If it already
exists, maybe someone can tell me, before I make a duplicate report. (I
don't have very good luck searching on LP :-( )
I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, using Inkscape
to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making regular
text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've made a
lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even
though they don't contain any text.
I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected text
and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And instead
of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I
didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an
object.
When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box or scaling
handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem to
select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior --
identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
I'm not sure what use it is to have empty text boxes. Is this a
bug? Or if it's intended, would it be reasonable as a feature request to
have the option for empty text boxes not to be retained as objects?
Thanks for enlightening me :-)
All best,
brynn
3:40 p.m.
On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials,
using Inkscape
to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making regular
text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've made a
lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even
though they don't contain any text.
I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected text
and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And instead
of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I
didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an
object.
If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter
any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular
text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be
selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas
with click or click-drag).
Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty lines.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box or
scaling
handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem to
select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior --
identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
Regards, V
4:25 p.m.
It seems like an easy/good way to select the empty textbox would be to have
it highlight when the text tool is over it (like it does when there is text
in it) this way it would not interfere with regular selecting activities
and still be editable and selectable.
I think text boxes should also (at least) show up in outline mode. view >
display mode > outline
It would make Inkscape much better for making document templates.
My 2p.
-C
4:48 p.m.
Thanks su_v !
I looked through the related bug reports, and of course I read your answer.
But I'm not clear about this.
Is an empty text box supposed to be a selectable object (selectable in some
ways, not in other ways)? If so, and if it's not a bug, there must be some
purpose for an empty text box. What is it?
Thanks again :-)
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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
> I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, using
> Inkscape
> to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making regular
> text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've
> made a
> lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even
> though they don't contain any text.
> I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected
> text
> and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And
> instead
> of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I
> didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an
> object.
If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter
any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular
text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be
selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas
with click or click-drag).
Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty
lines.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
> When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box or
> scaling
> handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem to
> select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior --
> identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
Regards, V
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5:26 p.m.
Empty text boxes are useful to flow text into. This can be done
programmatically outside of Inkscape, but it would be handy to do it in
Inkscape too. Any object created in Inkscape should be selectable and
changeable with the interface.
On 13 Nov 2015 4:51 pm, "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Thanks su_v !
I looked through the related bug reports, and of course I read your answer.
But I'm not clear about this.
Is an empty text box supposed to be a selectable object (selectable in some
ways, not in other ways)? If so, and if it's not a bug, there must be some
purpose for an empty text box. What is it?
Thanks again :-)
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From: "su_v" <suv@...2638...>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:40 AM
To: <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
> On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
>> I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, using
>> Inkscape
>> to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making
regular
>> text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've
>> made a
>> lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even
>> though they don't contain any text.
>> I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected
>> text
>> and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And
>> instead
>> of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I
>> didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an
>> object.
>
> If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter
> any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular
> text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be
> selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas
> with click or click-drag).
>
> Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
>
> Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
>
> Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty
> lines.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
>
>> When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box or
>> scaling
>> handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem
to
>> select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior --
>> identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
>
> This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
>
>
> Regards, V
>
>
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6:05 p.m.
Thanks C R. I understand what text boxes are for. But if no text is
entered, and they are deselected, what use are they? They're hard to
re-select, and you can only select one at a time, afaict.
Maybe you're onto the more relevant issue -- maybe they need to be more
visible. Visible in outline view is one thing, but maybe they should be
even more visible? If an empty text box is an object, it ought to be
selectable with Selection tool, imo. Or at least, when you switch to the
Selection tool, you ought to see the bounding box, etc.
What if they were visible whenever the Text tool is enabled? Then they
could be used to make layout, like for a newsletter or something? Plus, if
you accidentally make one, you can see it, and delete it.
Is it worth a feature request? Or because it's flowed text, and not part of
SVG, maybe it's not worth it at all?
Thanks :-)
brynn
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From: C R
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 10:26 AM
To: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
Empty text boxes are useful to flow text into. This can be done
programmatically outside of Inkscape, but it would be handy to do it in
Inkscape too. Any object created in Inkscape should be selectable and
changeable with the interface.
On 13 Nov 2015 4:51 pm, "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Thanks su_v !
I looked through the related bug reports, and of course I read your answer.
But I'm not clear about this.
Is an empty text box supposed to be a selectable object (selectable in some
ways, not in other ways)? If so, and if it's not a bug, there must be some
purpose for an empty text box. What is it?
Thanks again :-)
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From: "su_v" <suv@...2638...>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:40 AM
To: <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
> I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, using
> Inkscape
> to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making regular
> text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've
> made a
> lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even
> though they don't contain any text.
> I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected
> text
> and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And
> instead
> of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I
> didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an
> object.
If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter
any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular
text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be
selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas
with click or click-drag).
Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty
lines.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
> When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box or
> scaling
> handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem to
> select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior --
> identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
Regards, V
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Yes, Byrnn, I think you got my point. And yes, textbox
visibility/selectability when the text tool is selected is definitely a
feature I would request.
On 16 Nov 2015 6:07 pm, "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Thanks C R. I understand what text boxes are for. But if no text
is
entered, and they are deselected, what use are they? They're hard to
re-select, and you can only select one at a time, afaict.
Maybe you're onto the more relevant issue -- maybe they need to be more
visible. Visible in outline view is one thing, but maybe they should be
even more visible? If an empty text box is an object, it ought to be
selectable with Selection tool, imo. Or at least, when you switch to the
Selection tool, you ought to see the bounding box, etc.
What if they were visible whenever the Text tool is enabled? Then they
could be used to make layout, like for a newsletter or something? Plus, if
you accidentally make one, you can see it, and delete it.
Is it worth a feature request? Or because it's flowed text, and not part
of
SVG, maybe it's not worth it at all?
Thanks :-)
brynn
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From: C R
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 10:26 AM
To: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
Empty text boxes are useful to flow text into. This can be done
programmatically outside of Inkscape, but it would be handy to do it in
Inkscape too. Any object created in Inkscape should be selectable and
changeable with the interface.
On 13 Nov 2015 4:51 pm, "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Thanks su_v !
I looked through the related bug reports, and of course I read your answer.
But I'm not clear about this.
Is an empty text box supposed to be a selectable object (selectable in some
ways, not in other ways)? If so, and if it's not a bug, there must be some
purpose for an empty text box. What is it?
Thanks again :-)
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From: "su_v" <suv@...2638...>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:40 AM
To: <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
> On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
>> I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, using
>> Inkscape
>> to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making
regular
>> text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've
>> made a
>> lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even
>> though they don't contain any text.
>> I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected
>> text
>> and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And
>> instead
>> of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I
>> didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an
>> object.
>
> If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter
> any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular
> text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be
> selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas
> with click or click-drag).
>
> Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
>
> Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
>
> Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty
> lines.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
>
>> When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box or
>> scaling
>> handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem
to
>> select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior --
>> identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
>
> This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
>
>
> Regards, V
>
>
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