VOTE: Mastodon.art funding
Background
Inkscape currently has a Mastodon account on the mastodon.art server. It is an art focused Mastodon instance that has a wide variety of artists, but also allows anyone on the greater Fediverse to see the content Inkscape posts. The service is run by a set of volunteers that have a Patreon-style set-up to cover their costs of hosting, and other things that the project needs. This is their only source of funding (they don't sell ads, etc). Many users contribute to that as the "cost" of having an account on the service. Inkscape has not previously contributed to this service. There is unfortunately very little precedent on how much a social network account should cost. Most major networks are venture or ad supported and give out the accounts for zero-cost. Though it seems likely in the future Twitter will be charging $8/mo if you want your posts to be seen. No one is distinguishing between user or project account, though it is likely their costs are different based on volume. The mastodon.art service has a few ways to contribute, I'll work with them to figure out which is best to ensure they can use the funds at the lowest fee and is easy for the SFC to work with. All amounts are monthly for the 2023 calendar year. Marking each of the votes with "or less" and I'll take the highest amount that gets a simple majority. Please use the "Other" option if that's not how you'd like it to work. Proposal Vote to fund Mastondon.art for the following amount monthly for the 2023 calendar year a. $5/mo for a total of $60 for 2023 b. $10/mo for a total of $120 for 2023, or less c. $20/mo for a total of $240 for 2023, or less d. $__/mo for a total of $___ for 2023, or less e. None f. Other: ____
Timeline Proposed: 2022-12-11 Closes: 2022-12-18
Ryan and Maren are giving some feedback on rocket chat.
The tldr; is that mastodon.art is blocking large numbers of popular instances. This is causing a lot of manual confirmation of every new follow from one of those many instances.
It's possible vectors may choose to move instances and this vote might unfortunately be just at the wrong time. We should keep this idea open for whichever instance our account ends up on.
Martin,
On Sat, 2022-12-10 at 22:43 -0600, Ted Gould wrote:
Background
Inkscape currently has a Mastodon account on the mastodon.art server. It is an art focused Mastodon instance that has a wide variety of artists, but also allows anyone on the greater Fediverse to see the content Inkscape posts. The service is run by a set of volunteers that have a Patreon-style set-up to cover their costs of hosting, and other things that the project needs. This is their only source of funding (they don't sell ads, etc). Many users contribute to that as the "cost" of having an account on the service. Inkscape has not previously contributed to this service.
There is unfortunately very little precedent on how much a social network account should cost. Most major networks are venture or ad supported and give out the accounts for zero-cost. Though it seems likely in the future Twitter will be charging $8/mo if you want your posts to be seen. No one is distinguishing between user or project account, though it is likely their costs are different based on volume.
The mastodon.art service has a few ways to contribute, I'll work with them to figure out which is best to ensure they can use the funds at the lowest fee and is easy for the SFC to work with. All amounts are monthly for the 2023 calendar year. Marking each of the votes with "or less" and I'll take the highest amount that gets a simple majority. Please use the "Other" option if that's not how you'd like it to work.
Proposal
Vote to fund Mastondon.art for the following amount monthly for the 2023 calendar year
a. $5/mo for a total of $60 for 2023 b. $10/mo for a total of $120 for 2023, or less c. $20/mo for a total of $240 for 2023, or less d. $__/mo for a total of $___ for 2023, or less e. None f. Other: ____
Timeline
Proposed: 2022-12-11 Closes: 2022-12-18
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My vote is E. Happy to support funding a mastodon instance, but obviously, we need to be sure that's what the project will be using long term. Maybe mastodon.art would be able to unblock those popular instances to reduce the overhead our volunteers have to do to manually confirm things? Seems a waste of everyone's time to do that.
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On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 1:18 PM Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Ryan and Maren are giving some feedback on rocket chat.
The tldr; is that mastodon.art is blocking large numbers of popular instances. This is causing a lot of manual confirmation of every new follow from one of those many instances.
It's possible vectors may choose to move instances and this vote might unfortunately be just at the wrong time. We should keep this idea open for whichever instance our account ends up on.
Martin,
On Sat, 2022-12-10 at 22:43 -0600, Ted Gould wrote:
Background
Inkscape currently has a Mastodon account on the mastodon.art server. It is an art focused Mastodon instance that has a wide variety of artists, but also allows anyone on the greater Fediverse to see the content Inkscape posts. The service is run by a set of volunteers that have a Patreon-style set-up to cover their costs of hosting, and other things that the project needs. This is their only source of funding (they don't sell ads, etc). Many users contribute to that as the "cost" of having an account on the service. Inkscape has not previously contributed to this service.
There is unfortunately very little precedent on how much a social network account should cost. Most major networks are venture or ad supported and give out the accounts for zero-cost. Though it seems likely in the future Twitter will be charging $8/mo if you want your posts to be seen. No one is distinguishing between user or project account, though it is likely their costs are different based on volume.
The mastodon.art service has a few ways to contribute, I'll work with them to figure out which is best to ensure they can use the funds at the lowest fee and is easy for the SFC to work with. All amounts are monthly for the 2023 calendar year. Marking each of the votes with "or less" and I'll take the highest amount that gets a simple majority. Please use the "Other" option if that's not how you'd like it to work.
Proposal
Vote to fund Mastondon.art for the following amount monthly for the 2023 calendar year
a. $5/mo for a total of $60 for 2023 b. $10/mo for a total of $120 for 2023, or less c. $20/mo for a total of $240 for 2023, or less d. $__/mo for a total of $___ for 2023, or less e. None f. Other: ____
Timeline
Proposed: 2022-12-11 Closes: 2022-12-18
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On Dec 13 2022, at 7:18 am, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
The tldr; is that mastodon.art is blocking large numbers of popular instances. This is causing a lot of manual confirmation of every new follow from one of those many instances.
Just to be pedantic, they're silencing the largest instances not blocking them. Which, means that the art posts are visible externally on them but they go into a more manual moderation state instead of being automatic.
It's possible vectors may choose to move instances and this vote might unfortunately be just at the wrong time. We should keep this idea open for whichever instance our account ends up on.
Makes sense, it should be what ever instance they decide to have our account on. Ted
I'm going to close this vote. We can make another referendum if needed.
Ted On Dec 10 2022, at 10:43 pm, Ted Gould ted@gould.cx wrote:
Background
Inkscape currently has a Mastodon account on the mastodon.art server. It is an art focused Mastodon instance that has a wide variety of artists, but also allows anyone on the greater Fediverse to see the content Inkscape posts. The service is run by a set of volunteers that have a Patreon-style set-up to cover their costs of hosting, and other things that the project needs. This is their only source of funding (they don't sell ads, etc). Many users contribute to that as the "cost" of having an account on the service. Inkscape has not previously contributed to this service. There is unfortunately very little precedent on how much a social network account should cost. Most major networks are venture or ad supported and give out the accounts for zero-cost. Though it seems likely in the future Twitter will be charging $8/mo if you want your posts to be seen. No one is distinguishing between user or project account, though it is likely their costs are different based on volume. The mastodon.art service has a few ways to contribute, I'll work with them to figure out which is best to ensure they can use the funds at the lowest fee and is easy for the SFC to work with. All amounts are monthly for the 2023 calendar year. Marking each of the votes with "or less" and I'll take the highest amount that gets a simple majority. Please use the "Other" option if that's not how you'd like it to work. Proposal Vote to fund Mastondon.art for the following amount monthly for the 2023 calendar year a. $5/mo for a total of $60 for 2023 b. $10/mo for a total of $120 for 2023, or less c. $20/mo for a total of $240 for 2023, or less d. $__/mo for a total of $___ for 2023, or less e. None f. Other: ____
Timeline Proposed: 2022-12-11 Closes: 2022-12-18
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