9:28 a.m.
Hi Friends,
Are we supposed to be able to snap, or snap to, the center or
rotation center of groups? I can't seem to make it happen. I can snap to
the centers of individual objects in the group, but not the center of the
group.
I tend to think of a group as a type of object. But maybe not?
Thanks for any clarification :-)
brynn
11:49 p.m.
I don't think this is un-answerable. But maybe the reason the center of a
group can't snap is similar to the reason why it's not possible to snap/snap
to, center/rotation center of an object which has no fill?
Thanks again :-)
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From: "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:28 PM
To: "Inkscape User Community" <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: [Inkscape-user] snap, snap to: center, rotation center of groups
Hi Friends,
Are we supposed to be able to snap, or snap to, the center or
rotation center of groups? I can't seem to make it happen. I can snap to
the centers of individual objects in the group, but not the center of the
group.
I tend to think of a group as a type of object. But maybe not?
Thanks for any clarification :-)
brynn
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4:34 a.m.
Sorry Brynn, I missed your earlier message for some reason :-(
Yes, this is possible. I'll send you a screen capture with a demo
privately, it's too big to attach here.
Diederik
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
I don't think this is un-answerable. But maybe the reason the
center of a
group can't snap is similar to the reason why it's not possible to
snap/snap
to, center/rotation center of an object which has no fill?
Thanks again :-)
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From: "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:28 PM
To: "Inkscape User Community" <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: [Inkscape-user] snap, snap to: center, rotation center of groups
> Hi Friends,
> Are we supposed to be able to snap, or snap to, the center or
> rotation center of groups? I can't seem to make it happen. I can snap
to
> the centers of individual objects in the group, but not the center of the
> group.
> I tend to think of a group as a type of object. But maybe not?
>
> Thanks for any clarification :-)
> brynn
>
>
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7:48 a.m.
Thanks Diederik!
Ok, so it seems that snapping to group centers can only work when snapping
to nodes is disabled (and the only option enabled is snap to center).
Since 0.91, it seems that snapping to nodes is required for many more
situations, so I've been keeping them generally always "on". And the idea
that certain options only "work" when other options are disabled, did not
occur to me.
Even with the options set up properly, it looks like the group centers can
only snap to guides or grids. Is that correct? They can't be snapped to
nodes, since nodes are disabled. And I can't seem to snap to the center of
other groups either.
At the time when this problem came up, I was trying to snap a group of
circles which are arranged in a circle, to another group of objects which
are arranged in a circle -- so that they all share the same center.
I guess that (snapping group center to group center) can only be
accomplished using a grid or guide to accept the snap?
Thanks again,
brynn
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:34 PM
To: Inkscape User Community ; Brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] snap, snap to: center, rotation center of
groups
Sorry Brynn, I missed your earlier message for some reason :-(
Yes, this is possible. I'll send you a screen capture with a demo privately,
it's too big to attach here.
Diederik
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
I don't think this is un-answerable. But maybe the reason the center of a
group can't snap is similar to the reason why it's not possible to snap/snap
to, center/rotation center of an object which has no fill?
Thanks again :-)
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:28 PM
To: "Inkscape User Community" <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: [Inkscape-user] snap, snap to: center, rotation center of groups
Hi Friends,
Are we supposed to be able to snap, or snap to, the center or
rotation center of groups? I can't seem to make it happen. I can snap to
the centers of individual objects in the group, but not the center of the
group.
I tend to think of a group as a type of object. But maybe not?
Thanks for any clarification :-)
brynn
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4:36 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Ok, so it seems that snapping to group centers can only work when
snapping
to nodes is disabled (and the only option enabled is snap to center).
Not for me though. Whether snapping to nodes is disabled or not doesn't
matter at my machine. I can snap a rotation center to a grid or guide
regardless. Tested on both rev. 14044 from April 2015, as well as a very
recent revision.
Since 0.91, it seems that snapping to nodes is required for many
more
situations, so I've been keeping them generally always "on".
Can you provide a bit more detail?
And the idea that certain options only "work" when other
options are
disabled, did not occur to me.
That shouldn't happen. If you can show me what breaks for you, then I'll
try to fix it
Even with the options set up properly, it looks like the group
centers can
only snap to guides or grids. Is that correct?
No, that's not correct. They can snap to paths, bounding boxes, nodes, etc.
Can you show me your settings? A screendump will do, and you can send it
off-list.
Thanks again,
You're welcome!
Diederik
7:30 a.m.
brynn previously:
Ok, so it seems that snapping to group centers can only work when snapping
to nodes is disabled (and the only option enabled is snap to center).
Diederik previously:
Not for me though. Whether snapping to nodes is disabled or not doesn't
matter at my machine.
brynn current reply:
No, for me, snapping group centers can only happen when snapping to nodes is
off. I've also just tested in Inkscape 0.91 64 bit (7z version). For the
32 bit version, I used exe installer. Windows 7, 64-bit.
brynn previously:
Since 0.91, it seems that snapping to nodes is required for many more
situations, so I've been keeping them generally always "on".
Diederik previously:
Can you provide a bit more detail?
brynn current reply:
Yes. We've been getting questions in forums about this, since 0.91 came
out. For example, in 0.48.x, a node on a path would snap to another path,
with having only Snap to path enabled. Now, Snap to nodes must be enabled
too. And it's a good idea to have snapping to both cusp and smooth, because
in 0.91, Inkscape can't always tell the difference which type of node is
which. I think I made a bug report about that.....can't remember for sure.
brynn previously:
And the idea that certain options only "work" when other options are
disabled, did not occur to me.
Diederik previously:
That shouldn't happen. If you can show me what breaks for you, then I'll try
to fix it
brynn current reply:
As I said, the center of groups can only snap (to anything) if snapping to
nodes is disabled.
brynn previously:
Even with the options set up properly, it looks like the group centers can
only snap to guides or grids. Is that correct?
Diederik previously:
No, that's not correct. They can snap to paths, bounding boxes, nodes, etc.
Can you show me your settings? A screendump will do, and you can send it
off-list.
brynn current reply:
I could send you a screenshot, but I'm not sure if it's needed. With
further testing, I was wrong about that.
I can snap a group center to: path, path intersection, bounding box corner,
bb side, bb side midpt., guides and grids
I cannot snap a group center to nodes, bounding box center or line midpoint.
And as I said before, group centers won't snap to anything, unless snapping
to nodes is disabled.
Details:
When I try to snap to bbcenter, just nothing happens. When I grab the group
with the mouse, the group center becomes a red dot. But it never recognizes
the bb center.
When I try to snap to line midpt, when I grab the group, the red dot does
not replace the group center. It replaces the line midpt closest to where I
grabbed with mouse. So the group center can't snap because there's no red
dot there.
If you need anymore details, let me know. I can send screenshots if you
need. Although I don't have a very good program, and it can't catch the
mouse or tooltips. But Prnt Scrn catches the red dot.
That's all for snapping group centers to something. I'll test snapping
something else to group centers after I send this.
Thank you very much,
brynn
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From: Diederik van Lierop
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Brynn
Cc: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] snap, snap to: center, rotation center of
groups
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Ok, so it seems that snapping to group centers can only work when snapping
to nodes is disabled (and the only option enabled is snap to center).
Not for me though. Whether snapping to nodes is disabled or not doesn't
matter at my machine. I can snap a rotation center to a grid or guide
regardless. Tested on both rev. 14044 from April 2015, as well as a very
recent revision.
Since 0.91, it seems that snapping to nodes is required for many more
situations, so I've been keeping them generally always "on".
Can you provide a bit more detail?
And the idea that certain options only "work" when other options are
disabled, did not occur to me.
That shouldn't happen. If you can show me what breaks for you, then I'll try
to fix it
Even with the options set up properly, it looks like the group centers can
only snap to guides or grids. Is that correct?
No, that's not correct. They can snap to paths, bounding boxes, nodes, etc.
Can you show me your settings? A screendump will do, and you can send it
off-list.
Thanks again,
You're welcome!
Diederik
8:59 p.m.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
brynn current reply:
No, for me, snapping group centers can only happen when snapping to nodes
is off. I've also just tested in Inkscape 0.91 64 bit (7z version). For
the 32 bit version, I used exe installer. Windows 7, 64-bit.
Is it a recent download? Because that you're in fact using 0.91.1 I
believe, which has this fix included:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1422296
brynn current reply:
Yes. We've been getting questions in forums about this, since 0.91 came
out. For example, in 0.48.x, a node on a path would snap to another path,
with having only Snap to path enabled. Now, Snap to nodes must be enabled
too. And it's a good idea to have snapping to both cusp and smooth,
because in 0.91, Inkscape can't always tell the difference which type of
node is which. I think I made a bug report about that.....can't remember
for sure.
Is it the bug report in the link above?
brynn current reply:
As I said, the center of groups can only snap (to anything) if snapping to
nodes is disabled.
I cannot reproduce that, but if that is the case than this is very bad! Can
you provide me the exact steps to reproduce this behavior, a screenshot,
and a sample file in which this happens? Also, is this with 0.91 or with
0.91.1. Can you reproduce this behaviour too with a recent development
version?
brynn current reply:
I could send you a screenshot, but I'm not sure if it's
needed. With
further testing, I was wrong about that.
I can snap a group center to: path, path intersection, bounding box
corner, bb side, bb side midpt., guides and grids
I cannot snap a group center to nodes, bounding box center or line
midpoint.
And as I said before, group centers won't snap to anything, unless
snapping to nodes is disabled.
Details:
When I try to snap to bbcenter, just nothing happens. When I grab the
group with the mouse, the group center becomes a red dot. But it never
recognizes the bb center.
Works for me! See attachment. I guess that either your snap settings are
different, or you are using 0.91.0?
When I try to snap to line midpt, when I grab the group, the red dot
does
not replace the group center. It replaces the line midpt closest to where
I grabbed with mouse. So the group center can't snap because there's no
red dot there.
If you need anymore details, let me know. I can send screenshots if you
need. Although I don't have a very good program, and it can't catch the
mouse or tooltips. But Prnt Scrn catches the red dot.
A print screen will do just fine.
BTW, what are your settings on the snap tab in the document properties
dialog? And what are the settings for snapping in the preferences dialog?
Diederik
9:30 p.m.
On 2016-01-31 12:59 (+0100), Diederik van Lierop wrote:
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Brynn <...> wrote:
brynn current reply:
No, for me, snapping group centers can only happen when snapping to
nodes is off. I've also just tested in Inkscape 0.91 64 bit (7z
version). For the 32 bit version, I used exe installer. Windows 7,
64-bit.
Is it a recent download? Because that you're in fact using 0.91.1 I
believe, which has this fix included:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1422296
JFYI: Inkscape 0.91.1 has _not_ yet been released - current available
latest stable version is still 0.91.
Regards, V
9:45 p.m.
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:30 PM, su_v <suv@...2638...> wrote:
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1422296> JFYI:
Inkscape 0.91.1
has _not_ yet been released - current available
latest stable version is still 0.91.
Yes, you're right. Thanks for chiming in. I was confused by this link on
the downloads page:
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/3938/Inkscape-0.91-1-win64.7z
Which to me suggested that this was v0.91.1. I just downloaded that file,
and this is indeed v0.91.0
Brynn, please test a development build and see if any snapping problems are
still remaining. I will happily fix them!
Diederik
11:39 p.m.
Ok yes, I will try the dev version. Except at this moment, I get Bad
Gateway error on the website. Will download when I can and will report
results.
Thanks,
brynn
____________________________________
From: Diederik van Lierop
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:45 AM
To: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] snap, snap to: center, rotation center of
groups
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:30 PM, su_v <suv@...2638...> wrote:
JFYI: Inkscape 0.91.1 has _not_ yet been released - current available
latest stable version is still 0.91.
Yes, you're right. Thanks for chiming in. I was confused by this link on the
downloads page:
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/3938/Inkscape-0.91-1-win64.7z
Which to me suggested that this was v0.91.1. I just downloaded that file,
and this is indeed v0.91.0
Brynn, please test a development build and see if any snapping problems are
still remaining. I will happily fix them!
Diederik
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12:23 a.m.
Ok, I just tested on Inkscape 14574, which is a 7z, 64 bit version for
Windows.
Results:
When snapping to smooth and cusp nodes are enabled, the center of groups
won't snap to anything.
Center of group does now snap to midpoint of segments. So therefore, I
won't send the screenshot that I promised (unless you want to see it
anyway?).
Center of groups will now snap to center of objects (such as star or 3-node
open path) but will not snap to the center of another group.
The smooth vs cusp node confusion still is happening. (Actually, since I've
been functioning with that distinction for snapping, I'm starting to wonder
if it matters which node type is snapped. When do we need to snap to one
type and not another?)
I'm not sure about snapping the center of a group to a bounding box center.
A snap does happen....yes, A snap happens. But the indicator says rotation
center to rotation center, rather than rotation center to bounding box
center.
Let me know if you need anything else :-)
Thank you very much,
brynn
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From: Diederik van Lierop
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:45 AM
To: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] snap, snap to: center, rotation center of
groups
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:30 PM, su_v <suv@...2638...> wrote:
JFYI: Inkscape 0.91.1 has _not_ yet been released - current available
latest stable version is still 0.91.
Yes, you're right. Thanks for chiming in. I was confused by this link on the
downloads page:
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/3938/Inkscape-0.91-1-win64.7z
Which to me suggested that this was v0.91.1. I just downloaded that file,
and this is indeed v0.91.0
Brynn, please test a development build and see if any snapping problems are
still remaining. I will happily fix them!
Diederik
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4:13 a.m.
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Ok, I just tested on Inkscape 14574, which is a 7z, 64 bit version
for
Windows.
Thanks!
Results:
When snapping to smooth and cusp nodes are enabled, the center of groups
won't snap to anything.
True indeed for the center, but not for the rotation point. See this bug
report which I just filed:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1540137
Please note that the smooth and cusp node options have nothing to do with
this. They are in a different snap group of the toolbar. The center and
rotation center are not nodes.
The smooth vs cusp node confusion still is happening. (Actually,
since
I've been functioning with that distinction for snapping, I'm starting to
wonder if it matters which node type is snapped. When do we need to snap
to one type and not another?)
A path can have many smooth nodes, of which you cannot typically tell where
they are. Snapping these is typically not desired, and difficult to
control. Also, if there are too many then Inkscape might have a hard time
in calculation the optimal snap. Cusp nodes however are easy to locate,
because they are at discontinuities in the path. It's the cusp nodes that
you typically want to snap to something. Hence the distinction between cusp
and smooth nodes
I'm not sure about snapping the center of a group to a bounding
box
center. A snap does happen....yes, A snap happens. But the indicator says
rotation center to rotation center, rather than rotation center to bounding
box center.
That's likely because they're on top of each other? Inkscape can snap to
either the rotation center to bounding box center, both being in the same
location? If so, please drag the rotation center to a different position
and try again
Thanks Brynn!
Diederik
5:31 a.m.
Unfortunately, you just lost me.
"When snapping to smooth and cusp nodes are enabled, the center of groups
won't snap to anything.
True indeed for the center, but not for the rotation point. See this bug
report which I just filed:"
No, I mean neither the center of the group or rotation center.
"Please note that the smooth and cusp node options have nothing to do with
this. They are in a different snap group of the toolbar. The center and
rotation center are not nodes. "
I understand that they are different things. But the fact remains that
neither the center of the group or the rotation center of the group will
snap unless those options are disabled.
And even when they're disabled, neither kind of center of one group will
snap to either kind of center of another group.
That's what brought me to this problem in the first place. I had 2
(actually 3) groups of objects which were arranged in a circle. It seemed
to me that I should be able to snap the rotation centers of the groups
(which meant that they would rotate all around the same center).
Anyway, you skipped to a whole other level, and I missed the turn. Can you
explain what you're asking in the bug report?
Thanks,
brynn
___________________________________
From: Diederik van Lierop
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 12:13 PM
To: Brynn
Cc: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] snap, snap to: center, rotation center of
groups
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Ok, I just tested on Inkscape 14574, which is a 7z, 64 bit version for
Windows.
Thanks!
Results:
When snapping to smooth and cusp nodes are enabled, the center of groups
won't snap to anything.
True indeed for the center, but not for the rotation point. See this bug
report which I just filed:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1540137
Please note that the smooth and cusp node options have nothing to do with
this. They are in a different snap group of the toolbar. The center and
rotation center are not nodes.
The smooth vs cusp node confusion still is happening. (Actually, since I've
been functioning with that distinction for snapping, I'm starting to wonder
if it matters which node type is snapped. When do we need to snap to one
type and not another?)
A path can have many smooth nodes, of which you cannot typically tell where
they are. Snapping these is typically not desired, and difficult to control.
Also, if there are too many then Inkscape might have a hard time in
calculation the optimal snap. Cusp nodes however are easy to locate, because
they are at discontinuities in the path. It's the cusp nodes that you
typically want to snap to something. Hence the distinction between cusp and
smooth nodes
I'm not sure about snapping the center of a group to a bounding box center.
A snap does happen....yes, A snap happens. But the indicator says rotation
center to rotation center, rather than rotation center to bounding box
center.
That's likely because they're on top of each other? Inkscape can snap to
either the rotation center to bounding box center, both being in the same
location? If so, please drag the rotation center to a different position and
try again
Thanks Brynn!
Diederik
11:39 p.m.
Ok, regarding the questions in forums, that is all covered in the bug you
mentioned https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1422296.
Regarding Inkscape being confused between cusp and smooth nodes, here's the
report I made: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1422296 This
happens repeatedly for me, and for that reason, since 0.91, I keep snapping
to both kind of nodes almost always "on".
All of these issues are regarding 0.91, 32 bit from exe installer and 64 bit
from 7z.
Exact steps to reproduce the problems with group center snapping.
Setup snap control bar:
Enable snapping
Snap nodes, paths, handles
Snap cusp nodes
Snap smooth nodes
Snap other points
Snap center of object
Snap rotation center
Drag a group center near any snap target, making sure the snap target is set
up on the control bar.
Will not snap.
Next, disable Snap to cusp nodes and Snap to smooth nodes.
Drag a group center near snap target.
Snap happens.
Except in these 3 cases:
1 - Snap group center to center of anything - never happens.
2 - Snap group center to nodes - can't happen because enabling snapping to
nodes prevents snapping center of group to anything.
3 - Snap group center to midpoint of segments -- I will send a screenshot
off-list, in case it's too big. The screenshot will show the red dot isn't
on the group center, when trying to snap to midpoint of line segment.
Settings in Inks Prefs:
Enable Snap Indicator - enabled
150 delay
Only snap node closest to pointer - enabled
Weight factor 0.8
Snap the mouse pointer....constrained knot - disabled
Settings in Doc Prop:
Snap to Objects - Snap only when closer than 20
Snap to Grids - Always snap
Snap to Guides - Only when closer than 20
Misc - both disabled
Screenshot coming separately.
Thanks again,
brynn
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Cc: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] snap, snap to: center, rotation center of
groups
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
brynn current reply:
No, for me, snapping group centers can only happen when snapping to nodes is
off. I've also just tested in Inkscape 0.91 64 bit (7z version). For the
32 bit version, I used exe installer. Windows 7, 64-bit.
Is it a recent download? Because that you're in fact using 0.91.1 I believe,
which has this fix included:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1422296
brynn current reply:
Yes. We've been getting questions in forums about this, since 0.91 came
out. For example, in 0.48.x, a node on a path would snap to another path,
with having only Snap to path enabled. Now, Snap to nodes must be enabled
too. And it's a good idea to have snapping to both cusp and smooth, because
in 0.91, Inkscape can't always tell the difference which type of node is
which. I think I made a bug report about that.....can't remember for sure.
Is it the bug report in the link above?
brynn current reply:
As I said, the center of groups can only snap (to anything) if snapping to
nodes is disabled.
I cannot reproduce that, but if that is the case than this is very bad! Can
you provide me the exact steps to reproduce this behavior, a screenshot, and
a sample file in which this happens? Also, is this with 0.91 or with 0.91.1.
Can you reproduce this behaviour too with a recent development version?
brynn current reply:
I could send you a screenshot, but I'm not sure if it's needed. With
further testing, I was wrong about that.
I can snap a group center to: path, path intersection, bounding box corner,
bb side, bb side midpt., guides and grids
I cannot snap a group center to nodes, bounding box center or line midpoint.
And as I said before, group centers won't snap to anything, unless snapping
to nodes is disabled.
Details:
When I try to snap to bbcenter, just nothing happens. When I grab the group
with the mouse, the group center becomes a red dot. But it never recognizes
the bb center.
Works for me! See attachment. I guess that either your snap settings are
different, or you are using 0.91.0?
When I try to snap to line midpt, when I grab the group, the red dot does
not replace the group center. It replaces the line midpt closest to where I
grabbed with mouse. So the group center can't snap because there's no red
dot there.
If you need anymore details, let me know. I can send screenshots if you
need. Although I don't have a very good program, and it can't catch the
mouse or tooltips. But Prnt Scrn catches the red dot.
A print screen will do just fine.
BTW, what are your settings on the snap tab in the document properties
dialog? And what are the settings for snapping in the preferences dialog?
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