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Meeting notes; October 4th 2023
by Martin Owens 04 Oct '23

04 Oct '23

Hey Everyone, Thanks to those who were able to make today's develop meeting Attending: Alezzacreative, Jonathan, Marc, Martin, Krlr17, Ishaan, Tav Calendar: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Next Meeting: 12th October 2023 # FOSSSDem FOSSDem call for dev rooms. We need to decide if we're going to team up with another project, the room is mostly focused on presentation and on technical and development side. So we expect technical presentations and would need to be able to fill the room for at least half a day. Martin asked Marc to head up organing the effort so we have a main person who can act as the driver and ask other projects. # Packaging Marc has some packaging stuff to take care of for Linux; a bunch of issues to look at in the coming week. Martin wanted to know about the backports task, Jonathan suggested to do the testing for each of the issues to make sure it's all working. One month to go before the release and is still the plan, Martin will tell vectors so they have time. Krlr17 reports that the windows builds are not available on the website currently. Marc knows about the issue. # Grant Prooposal Jonathan reports back his meeting with pono about the grants funding project; he has found that we wouldn't ever be able to a hybrid system of allowing users to donate towards specific projects. But without that part of the proposal it would still be possible to attract donations for the global fund. # Gtk4 Migration Tav has been doing more Gtk4 stuff, trying to deal with some filename issues. It's much more particular about conversing std string and Glib::ustring classes. It's a bit tough as it's a windows specific issue because filenames are stored on windows as UTF16 but UTF8 on linux and mac. Tav is working on a script to make Images Gtk4 compatible. Daniel has been progressing on small items, still working on both his Gtk4 branch and bringing things into master when they can be. We reviewed the Gtk4 contract progress, the amount of money we're spending down and the type of work being done within the terms of the contract. Martin has talked about the merge conflicts that are happening, mostly he's holding onto large feature merge requests. Other developers might be waiting for the Gtk4 work to complete before developing new things. # Color Management System Martin gave a talk about his CMS work, the user interface, color picking the kinds of assumptions and workflows. And how to use color seperation. Other developers were very helpful in confirming if these designs and approaches are correct. Thanks for reading! Best Regards, Martin Owens

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October Vectors Meeting
by Maren Hachmann 04 Oct '23

04 Oct '23

Hello Vectors (and everyone interested in what we do), our next Vectors team meeting is on Saturday! Here's the proposed agenda: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/275 Please comment on items you think should be added (or add them yourself, if you have the necessary permission)! Here's a shortcut to find the concrete time for your time zone: https://inkscape.org/cals/ Maren

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Developer Meeting Notes - Sept 18th 2023
by doctormo＠gmail.com 19 Sep '23

19 Sep '23

Dear Developers, Thanks to everyone who came to this week's meeting. Attending: Marc, Martin, René, S.Ourchene, Tav, Jabier, Ishaan, Amenzou Meeting: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Next Date: Tuesday September 26th, 2023 Portable Apps wish for us to distribute the windows64/32 build for Inkscape 1.3. The releases policy we talked about and seems reasonable is to offer trust to fellow members who are working within the project who document the scripts and process for how the release is put together. An email has been sent back to invite them to particpate more closely and document their work. Everyone took turns to ask Tav questions about text. It's ask Tav day! Some looking at merge requests and issues, one about how to process text in the layout. Tav worked on the toolbar Gtk4 work and researching all the items that are needing for all the new widget allocations. Marc wants the toolbar work to use a merge commit, instead of squashing the commit. Tav and Rene wants to do this work collectively at the next developer meeting. Ishaan has continued working on the updates for the website. Working through each of the possible breaking changes progressively in a private branch. Rene wanted to know when 1.3.1 might be released, Martin says he's expecting November time, Marc says we need to commit all our backports which is a task for Martin in the coming weeks. Jabier has a MR that is ready to be reviwed. 5763, it needs feedback from adam. Martin has been working on CMS improvements with a UI improvement merge request which is being reviewed by designers mostly. Good feedback about the process of desktop preference profiles vs. document profiles and future work needed on color pickers. Tav has some concerns that we wouldn't be able to build AppImages with Gtk4. Marc says that there are ways around the restrictions, but we may have to ask for some backports upstream to help us with the process. See you all next week! Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer Meeting - Sept 10th 2023
by Martin Owens 10 Sep '23

10 Sep '23

Dear Devs, Thanks to everyone who came to today's developer meeting. Attending: Martin, Jonathan, Tav, Hendrick, Hash, Ishaan, Jabiertxo, PBS Calendar: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Next meeting: Monday, September 18th # Extensions Jonathan has been completing his speed and API improvements to the extensions style based API. Martin has continued work on the CMYK PDF Exporter, is planning on producing a CMYK JPEG and TIFF exporter as part of the work needed for that, but it should provide extra functionality outside of the PDF work. It may need more packaging work for the binary Python Image Library or another color management library support, will know more in the coming weeks. # Improvements Hendrick - Second time in this meeting, really interesting starting work on Inkscape and like last time he's focusing on the maths side for offsetting paths. If one thinks about it from the maths side instead of the code side he sees a lot of room for improvement. In a process of discovery and keeping some attention on performance. Lib2Geom is quite nice because it's quite fast and they can be used for the pure maths construction. For example a cubic bezier curve it only checks a couple of points to test how good the approximations are and we can do better. Jabier worked on an improvement to the spray tool. Martin has a question about backporting tool improvements after all the event refactoring for Gtk4. Special merge requests will be needed and tested for each instance. # Gtk4 Work Tav and PBS has been working on Gtk4 stuff, getting very close to working on Gtk4 directly. The big project currently in the toolbar work. There are a couple of bugs with a couple of widgets which change size or that cause the window to change size when you change tools. But it's usable so we can merge it in sooner. PBS has been working on Gtk4 branch, we should keep to using a public shared branch to reduce the duplicate work if we're working from private branches. # Infrastructure Jonathan has been working on the paid projects work with pono and Martin, a small confusion has pono talk to Karen before we were finished drafting and he got the wrong idea of the proposal. We need to be clearer where in the process we are during drafting. We need to move to C++20 and use the CI builder to know if some feature is available in the build system. AppImage targets Ubuntu 20.04, Martin suggests using a PPA to install new Gnu tools, but Marc wasn't available so we don't know what the real limitations are. Ishaan has been working on improving the website to a new Django version. Wanted to know what kind of policy we should have for upgrading libraries when they are deprecated. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer Meeting Notes - July 24 2023
by doctormo＠geek-2.com 24 Jul '23

24 Jul '23

Hey Everyone, Thanks to everyone who came to the developer meeting this week. Event: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Present: Rafael, Marc, Martin, Thomas Holder, Mikekov, Gre, Nicco, Rene, Jonathan Next Meeting: Tuesday, August 1st 2023 (1 hour after the SFC catch up meeting) # New Stable Release Congratulations everyone for the release. We've had about 25k downloads today. The responses in all the social media and news sites has been very positive so far. We're all very happy with the release, although we understand there are still some rough patches. Martin wants to say that he’s very proud of being able to work with everyone this last year and hopes everyone knows how much they rock. Request for the website developer: Add all the download numbers together from the releases into the download page. Maybe cache the number so it's not so over requesting. This time we made the RC and final installers days before the final release date so we have a lot more buffer than usual and could fix issues with the msi build without too much stress. Even the windows store creator didn't crash this time. So this year’s release went much smoother. Marc - Made the windows installers signed, self-signed so they still get a warning about trust. But the notice dialog will now say it's by "Inkscape" which is slightly better than "Unknown" # Ongoing Fixes The 1.3.x branch is unfrozen, so please apply fixes and things which you can apply to the 1.3, including backports which couldn't be applied to 1.3 in time. Don't spend too much time making features which can only apply to 1.3 even if we have some disruption with 1.4's Gtk4 migration. Rene wanted to ask that we keep 1.3.x issues tagged properly so Martin can work on them with his bug fixing contract. # Other Developments Nicco has been working on the AI contract extension. He's been working on live path effects for rectangles which works quite nice. He'll be working on styles next, gradients and other elements. Jonathan has been unavailable because of parental leave. Rafael has started looking at some problems in lib2geom, specifically to do with arcs, there was a good implementation which didn't have all the cases covered. We've worked on stabilizing the numerical stability of the current methods, but we're reaching the end of what can be done with these methods. There are some new mathematics which use a degree four polynomial the basis of which has been added already. This is all to fix the intersections of two ellipse/arcs. Rafael we may add a rotate box in the select tool. Marc has some concerns that it might be cluttering. Martin suggests that a configurable toolbar would allow non-default features which could be switched on. Although some users think this is essential, Marc thinks they could use the transform dialog instead. Thomas has joined us to congratulate us for the new release. He was trying out some new features and hit some limitations so has coded it. Martin hasn't been available because of a bereavement; wants to thank everyone for covering him while he’s been away. Has made a poll for his sponsors what they want him to work on for the coming year. He'll be focusing on CapyPDF for CMYK PDF output and the secondary project will be the connectors tool which has been waiting for a while. Jonathan joins us to congratulate us on a great release. # Gtk4 No one was available to talk about Gtk4 this week. # Infrastructure Marc reported our CI builder minutes usage on GitLab skyrocketed. There is some discussion about the possible future CI configurations, running them ourselves etc. Intel machines for macOS, Linux machines, etc. Rene reports that the Gnome project is having isolation problems in their CI builder but they don't have anyone to look after the machine. Rene has concerns that the Gnome project isn't committed to macOS and might not be trustworthy. So even though he could spend time helping Gnome, he fears it might be a waste of his volunteer time. There may be some interpersonal or cultural issues that need to be unpicked. Marin suggested we need to get together with the Gnome project and try and talk it out. He's got an open ticket so they can use his macOS CI runner for glib. # Events We have some interest in tracking FOSSDEM and LGM events. And seeing if we can run a dev room, or a booth or what might be possible. Lots of interesting topics for a dev room. Editable SVG, Gtk4, and other cross-project collaboration. Awesome meeting everyone. Lots talked about. See you all next week. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer Meeting - July 16th 2023
by Martin Owens 16 Jul '23

16 Jul '23

Hey everyone, This week's developer meeting is all about the new release, which is next week! Present: Marc, René, Gre, Jabiertxof, Krlr, Mikekov, Rafael, Tav, Michéle, Jonathan Event: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Next Event: July 24th (after the 1.3 RELEASE!) # New Website Style for 1.3 Jabier's new website design has been deployed by Martin this week, please report any issues to Jabiertxof via the inkscape website chat channel or gitlab project. Jonathan and Martin briefly review the support-us links that come from the welcome screen. We need to do a full review of those pages to remove old content that points to launchpad for example. # The 1.3 Release About screen needs to be added to the repository. Marc is preparing the main release candidate and is adding the about screen in. News, version and RC tag. If everything goes right then tag it as 1.3. Michéle asks if we're on track; it sounds like we are. Vector's team is ready and waiting for the release itself. Marc says the date of the release can be between the 21st and 23rd in the release notes. Jonathan reports that the extensions are ready for 1.3 and no issues or blockers. Martin and Marc bump the extensions version 1.3 to make sure it's tagged correctly. The macOS build has a few commits to get in for the release. Specifically related to the ghostscript error. Regressions and the mingw issues with glib appaear to have been fixed. Reviewing the website download redirects and which versions we want to go where. Going through Nathan's release checklist: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues/7983 Does the dev team think the 1.3 is stable? * 2 stable than ever * 2 votes for stable enough * 0 for unstable but ok * 0 for not stable enough. # The Next Version A short discussion about how to milestone issues for 1.3.1 and some of the merge requests which are not being packported for 1.3 but will be included in 1.3.1. Issues should have milestones so the bug accelerator contractor (Martin) can work on them. Marc asks Tav how the Gtk4 project is going. Tav says that things are going fine and they're slowly making their way through things with multiple people contributing. The actual Gtk4 build is a ways off, but the Gtk3 migrations will be merged sooner rather than later. Martin asks about the assessed scale of the project and if we feel like we've accounted for the size of the work correctly and if we're on track. Tav says that he feels at this stage we've done a good job of figuring out the size of the task. René asks if we should ask Microsoft to sponsor our signed certificate. It might help make Inkscape easier to install with fewer warnings. # Upsteam Relationship with Gnome René has been trying to get into the Gnome project's request for macOS assistance and them moving to "a best effort" rather than a comitment to it. Martin comments about how much we should be re-enforcing out relationship with Gnome and making sure we are a healthy downstream project. Helping them with things that they need to make sure the infrastructure and other components they need are in place. # Other Things Mikekov has been working on some blockers and his extension gallery user interface feature. Gre/Dilip has come with a few ideas. Rewards for getting involved, incouraging people to contribute to stock graphics. The dev team encourgae them to talk to the vectors team about specific ideas. The dev team can't do too much here. Jonathan reviews a few things in the AI importer. Nicco has official completed his contract time. And Jonathan has come to terms with the architecture which actually makes it easier to test things. The review is to go over how or if we're going to continue with the second half of the contract. There's a list of expected deliverable work and Nicco would be required to act more more self-sufficiently if we proceeded. Thanks everyone for coming. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] July Vectors Meeting
by Maren Hachmann 09 Jul '23

09 Jul '23

Hi Philip, as the meetings are held via chat, it's possible to read them up any time you like. Additionally, a protocol is available on the linked issue. Maren Am 09.07.23 um 13:00 schrieb Philip Rhoades: > Maren, > > > On 2023-07-07 04:12, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> Hello Vectors (and everyone interested in what we do), >> >> our next Vectors team meeting is on Saturday! >> >> Here's the proposed agenda: >> >> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/270 > > > It appears that the meetings are not recorded? - I thought I might > listen to one to see if I should get involved to some extent . . > > Phil. > > >> Please comment on items you think should be added (or add them >> yourself, if you have the necessary permission)! >> >> Here's a shortcut to find the concrete time for your time zone: >> >> https://inkscape.org/cals/ >> >> Maren >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape Devel mailing list -- inkscape-devel(a)lists.inkscape.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-devel-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org >

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July Vectors Meeting
by Maren Hachmann 06 Jul '23

06 Jul '23

Hello Vectors (and everyone interested in what we do), our next Vectors team meeting is on Saturday! Here's the proposed agenda: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/270 Please comment on items you think should be added (or add them yourself, if you have the necessary permission)! Here's a shortcut to find the concrete time for your time zone: https://inkscape.org/cals/ Maren

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Developer Meeting Notes: June 22nd 2023
by doctormo＠gmail.com 22 Jun '23

22 Jun '23

Dear Developer Team. Date: 22nd June 2023 Event: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Attending: Martin, René, Sanodhya, Tav, Mikekov, Nicco Next Meeting: 30th June 2023 Since last week's announcement from René that he was taking over the windows CI building process he wanted to walk us through the CI builds and demonstrating the builder on GitLab. There are two windows items in the build system list, a build step which builds all of the binary objects and then three parallel distribution steps for the nsis, 7zip and exe installer objects. Before this work the windows CI was the same as macOS, and it was disabled for people outside of the inkscape project itself. But now it's open to everyone who creates branches of inkscape. René asks where the best place to put documentation about the new system. The change in the deps collection means changing msys2installdeps.sh no longer changes the deps that the CI builder will use. Martin recommended putting breadcrumb links in the main repository and full documentation in the new windows CI deps repository to explain how everything works. Tav has worked on a couple of things. Replaced context menus with new Gtk4 stuff and it's been a little frustrating with things that are different. There's a units context menu on rulers, but it has one problem, it's using actions which are radio buttons and when you pop up a context menu with radio buttons it doesn't automatically pop down. We'll leave it like this for now. Everything has to be converted to using Gio menus and that will take some time. One context menu was removed from the svg font dialog which wasn't very discoverable. Next a drop down issue which was presented by mikekov where we have multiple columns and Tav looked into the new Gtk DropDown Gtk4 object and we can replace the Listview inside it with a GridView object. There's some fragility which might prevent us from replacing ComboBoxes correctly. There's a ListItem disconnection problem that he's trying to fix. The Interactive Gtk debugger is a god send for this work. The new Gtk4 expert starts on the 1st of the month. Nicco, trying to get into the work again and it's working out well. Has been working on parsing and doing a pair programming session with Jonathan and now have a complete raster support. Jonathan did some extensions refactoring trying to change the internal data structures for paths to improve the performance with numpy especially for large paths but keeping the API the same. Mikekov requests a fix to one of the extensions, the layout extensions needs one line added to fix missing deps problems. Martin says this extension should be moved from an effect extension to a template extension to prevent the crash and be more applicable. Otherwise he's been playing with grids, the new modular grid which is quite popular as a new feature on social media. Martin has been working on improving the shape builder tool with new semi-transparent canvas options controllable with a slider and a working shape builder fracturing process for raster images. These are in heavy draft and aren't ready for a merge request. Sanidhya has been working on their GSoC project. Pono is setting up a weekly meeting, but the details are yet to be confirmed. Likely after the SFC's conference. Martin will be in Barcelona next week at PenpotFest talking about Editable SVG. Jonathan is charged with running the next meeting, but it might be a quiet social if folk are unavailable. This week's group task was going through old merge requests; we looked at five WIP requests which are now old and possibly not useful. One was assigned to Martin to review and the rest were closed. Thanks everyone for coming. Hope everyone is having a great summer. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer meeting notes for June 14th 2023
by Martin Owens 14 Jun '23

14 Jun '23

Hi everyone, Date: Wednesday June 14th 2023 Attending: Martin, René, Mikekov, Nicco, Tav, Jonathan, Julia Johannesen Next Meeting: Thursday June 22nd 2023 Tav has been investigating color management as well as all the Gtk4 work. Tav, showed us a Firefox bug that doesn't apply the profile correctly, using the Red to Green profile on the screen showed only img tags were flipped. But the rest of the web page's colors are not flipped. Martin suggest that if the ICC profile is applied twice then you would get a complete inversion in Firefox showing normal colors. This may or may not be the issue in Firefox, but it brings us to Inkscape. Double correction may effect us in Inkscape when we set a screen profile. Between wayland, x11, win32, osx and how Inkscape transforms it's own canvas for rendering. Pulling in ICC profiles automatically from the screen seems like the wrong approach anyway since the screen should already be color corrected anyway and almost guarantees a double conversion. Tav would like us to eventually end up with multiple monitor support in our configuration settings and allow per monitor ICC profiles. But only manually. Some monitor features are only supported in Wayland, so x11 may not detect the monitor the app is on correctly, Tav is still researching the issues. Martin wanted to talk about a simplified story of color management to help himself and other developers understand what it is color management is for, and hopefully allow us to know the terms. He says at the moment he imagines three basic sections of color management in Inkscape. The screen Profile which is typically in RGB changes the canvas rendering, The Device Profile which is used for PDF output (when we support that) and showing out of gamut errors on the screen and the individual Color Selector profiles which aren't anything to do with either displaying colors and are only sometimes important for printing. Their first job is to allow the user to select colors within the color space, say selecting a CMYK color profile would allow the user to select a CMYK color reliably. The second function of individual color profiles is to select spot colors and unique inks, foils, etc. this information IS passed onto PDF output, but is also important to let the user select for example how much of that ink to show for example. Tav says everyone is confused about color management online, not just in Inkscape. So it's important for us to understand the whole system and hopefully write some documentation about it. René is assuming control of the windows CI builder. The last contributor who was interested was a long time ago, so René is taking control of it. For a first step he's taken all the tutorials, guides and all the things we tell users about how to do things for windows. This is used in René's new GitHub account which builds Inkscape using the msys2 on the GitHub CI builders. GitHub was used because the machines are more powerful and are set up is better. For example using ccache and take a lot less time to run and even then it's 20 minutes for each correction. A new project has been created in GitLab which collects all the deps into an archive so we have a mechanism to counteract the rolling release model in msys2 which causes us a lot of rolling pain. Pinning the versions in msys to make the builds more dependable during development processes. Martin asked that this new project be moved to the deps group in GitLab. René's GitLab now has a new build step which is being tested for a few weeks to get used to it. This should fix the hacky setup we currently have with rerunning builds when they quit half way through. We should end up with two separate jobs. Estimated time frame for improvements is between 3 and 6 months depending on how things go. Jonathan thanks René for taking responsibility for the windows builds and is wondering about how this effects Gtk4, which allows us to build with mvs c++ native compiler which should be much faster than msys2. He tried it with stock Gtk4 apps. Julia Jonannesen confirmed that she had also tried the Gtk4 windows compile and got it to work. Mikekov has been working on translations and improving the polish translations but worked on some things for templates. Martin thanked him for focusing on fixing the templating translations. Nicco is getting back into the work schedule after taking a break and is coming to the end of the contract and has only a week or two of work left. He's focusing on documentation and wrapping up where the project has finally ended up. We'll talk about a review meeting soon. Martin, after taking a week off, has been working on a draft feature that allows extensions authors to add pre-processing actions which take the svg and change it, or augment it with information only inkscape knows about. Like bounding boxes, text paths. As well as refactoring the svg2 to svg1.1 compatibility code which are all converted into actions. Also been working on tidying up remaining issues and focusing on bugs reported by his patreons for the 1.3 release. -------------- The team spent the last ten minutes of the meeting looking at merge requests. First on the back-port proposed requests and second on some older WIP requests which are now no longer marked as draft. These are being closed if they are very old, but can be re-opened if needed. Thanks for coming everyone! Best Regards, Martin Owens

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