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Developer Meeting Notes: June 22nd 2023
by doctormo＠gmail.com 22 Jun '23

22 Jun '23

Dear Developer Team. Date: 22nd June 2023 Event: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Attending: Martin, René, Sanodhya, Tav, Mikekov, Nicco Next Meeting: 30th June 2023 Since last week's announcement from René that he was taking over the windows CI building process he wanted to walk us through the CI builds and demonstrating the builder on GitLab. There are two windows items in the build system list, a build step which builds all of the binary objects and then three parallel distribution steps for the nsis, 7zip and exe installer objects. Before this work the windows CI was the same as macOS, and it was disabled for people outside of the inkscape project itself. But now it's open to everyone who creates branches of inkscape. René asks where the best place to put documentation about the new system. The change in the deps collection means changing msys2installdeps.sh no longer changes the deps that the CI builder will use. Martin recommended putting breadcrumb links in the main repository and full documentation in the new windows CI deps repository to explain how everything works. Tav has worked on a couple of things. Replaced context menus with new Gtk4 stuff and it's been a little frustrating with things that are different. There's a units context menu on rulers, but it has one problem, it's using actions which are radio buttons and when you pop up a context menu with radio buttons it doesn't automatically pop down. We'll leave it like this for now. Everything has to be converted to using Gio menus and that will take some time. One context menu was removed from the svg font dialog which wasn't very discoverable. Next a drop down issue which was presented by mikekov where we have multiple columns and Tav looked into the new Gtk DropDown Gtk4 object and we can replace the Listview inside it with a GridView object. There's some fragility which might prevent us from replacing ComboBoxes correctly. There's a ListItem disconnection problem that he's trying to fix. The Interactive Gtk debugger is a god send for this work. The new Gtk4 expert starts on the 1st of the month. Nicco, trying to get into the work again and it's working out well. Has been working on parsing and doing a pair programming session with Jonathan and now have a complete raster support. Jonathan did some extensions refactoring trying to change the internal data structures for paths to improve the performance with numpy especially for large paths but keeping the API the same. Mikekov requests a fix to one of the extensions, the layout extensions needs one line added to fix missing deps problems. Martin says this extension should be moved from an effect extension to a template extension to prevent the crash and be more applicable. Otherwise he's been playing with grids, the new modular grid which is quite popular as a new feature on social media. Martin has been working on improving the shape builder tool with new semi-transparent canvas options controllable with a slider and a working shape builder fracturing process for raster images. These are in heavy draft and aren't ready for a merge request. Sanidhya has been working on their GSoC project. Pono is setting up a weekly meeting, but the details are yet to be confirmed. Likely after the SFC's conference. Martin will be in Barcelona next week at PenpotFest talking about Editable SVG. Jonathan is charged with running the next meeting, but it might be a quiet social if folk are unavailable. This week's group task was going through old merge requests; we looked at five WIP requests which are now old and possibly not useful. One was assigned to Martin to review and the rest were closed. Thanks everyone for coming. Hope everyone is having a great summer. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer meeting notes for June 14th 2023
by Martin Owens 14 Jun '23

14 Jun '23

Hi everyone, Date: Wednesday June 14th 2023 Attending: Martin, René, Mikekov, Nicco, Tav, Jonathan, Julia Johannesen Next Meeting: Thursday June 22nd 2023 Tav has been investigating color management as well as all the Gtk4 work. Tav, showed us a Firefox bug that doesn't apply the profile correctly, using the Red to Green profile on the screen showed only img tags were flipped. But the rest of the web page's colors are not flipped. Martin suggest that if the ICC profile is applied twice then you would get a complete inversion in Firefox showing normal colors. This may or may not be the issue in Firefox, but it brings us to Inkscape. Double correction may effect us in Inkscape when we set a screen profile. Between wayland, x11, win32, osx and how Inkscape transforms it's own canvas for rendering. Pulling in ICC profiles automatically from the screen seems like the wrong approach anyway since the screen should already be color corrected anyway and almost guarantees a double conversion. Tav would like us to eventually end up with multiple monitor support in our configuration settings and allow per monitor ICC profiles. But only manually. Some monitor features are only supported in Wayland, so x11 may not detect the monitor the app is on correctly, Tav is still researching the issues. Martin wanted to talk about a simplified story of color management to help himself and other developers understand what it is color management is for, and hopefully allow us to know the terms. He says at the moment he imagines three basic sections of color management in Inkscape. The screen Profile which is typically in RGB changes the canvas rendering, The Device Profile which is used for PDF output (when we support that) and showing out of gamut errors on the screen and the individual Color Selector profiles which aren't anything to do with either displaying colors and are only sometimes important for printing. Their first job is to allow the user to select colors within the color space, say selecting a CMYK color profile would allow the user to select a CMYK color reliably. The second function of individual color profiles is to select spot colors and unique inks, foils, etc. this information IS passed onto PDF output, but is also important to let the user select for example how much of that ink to show for example. Tav says everyone is confused about color management online, not just in Inkscape. So it's important for us to understand the whole system and hopefully write some documentation about it. René is assuming control of the windows CI builder. The last contributor who was interested was a long time ago, so René is taking control of it. For a first step he's taken all the tutorials, guides and all the things we tell users about how to do things for windows. This is used in René's new GitHub account which builds Inkscape using the msys2 on the GitHub CI builders. GitHub was used because the machines are more powerful and are set up is better. For example using ccache and take a lot less time to run and even then it's 20 minutes for each correction. A new project has been created in GitLab which collects all the deps into an archive so we have a mechanism to counteract the rolling release model in msys2 which causes us a lot of rolling pain. Pinning the versions in msys to make the builds more dependable during development processes. Martin asked that this new project be moved to the deps group in GitLab. René's GitLab now has a new build step which is being tested for a few weeks to get used to it. This should fix the hacky setup we currently have with rerunning builds when they quit half way through. We should end up with two separate jobs. Estimated time frame for improvements is between 3 and 6 months depending on how things go. Jonathan thanks René for taking responsibility for the windows builds and is wondering about how this effects Gtk4, which allows us to build with mvs c++ native compiler which should be much faster than msys2. He tried it with stock Gtk4 apps. Julia Jonannesen confirmed that she had also tried the Gtk4 windows compile and got it to work. Mikekov has been working on translations and improving the polish translations but worked on some things for templates. Martin thanked him for focusing on fixing the templating translations. Nicco is getting back into the work schedule after taking a break and is coming to the end of the contract and has only a week or two of work left. He's focusing on documentation and wrapping up where the project has finally ended up. We'll talk about a review meeting soon. Martin, after taking a week off, has been working on a draft feature that allows extensions authors to add pre-processing actions which take the svg and change it, or augment it with information only inkscape knows about. Like bounding boxes, text paths. As well as refactoring the svg2 to svg1.1 compatibility code which are all converted into actions. Also been working on tidying up remaining issues and focusing on bugs reported by his patreons for the 1.3 release. -------------- The team spent the last ten minutes of the meeting looking at merge requests. First on the back-port proposed requests and second on some older WIP requests which are now no longer marked as draft. These are being closed if they are very old, but can be re-opened if needed. Thanks for coming everyone! Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer meeting notes, June 06 2023
by Jonathan Neuhauser 06 Jun '23

06 Jun '23

Hi everyone, Meeting: Tue June 06 2023 Next meeting: Wed June 14 Attending: Tav, Nicco, Rene, PBS, Jonathan, Marc, MikeKov, KrIr17 *String freeze for 1.3* Marc has backported relevant commits to 1.3.x. Extensions are up to date in both branches. No objections to string freeze = now. We've checked the backlog together, no more MRs with backport:proposed that contain string changes. *Vectors update/ Release planning*: Usually 6 week window for translations -> release around July 23rd at Vector's discretion Tarball needs to be ready ~ July 14. Testing completeness of packages? -> testing script by Nathan Release video: Lazur is doing something Release candidate: early July(no more non-obvious fixes after that) Windows 7 support has been dropped by MSYS2, so Inkscape 1.3 will officially not work on Windows 7. *Discussion re: po/pot files* Translators are supposed to use the pot file from the pipeline, but some are instead using (outdated) po files from the repository. - Should we update them? ~5m LOC change. Maren supports it. [done] - How are other projects doing that? -> some are using weblate, which (at least previously) doesn't like big POT files. Nicco used transifex (free for open source) - Could be a student project to refactor the way we organize translations. *René * MacOS ARM test failures in 1.3 branch? There is a problem on the Gitlab side, which affects the file structure. Moved the pipeline back to our own runner. Struggling to find time to re-release 1.2.2 including the Ventura fixes. The Alpha/Beta are already Ventura-compatible. Has not bought the new Apple developer certificate yet, will do so later this month. *Jonathan* AI Extension:work on importing text+ code for the different coordinate systems seems to be mature *Nicco* Progress a bit slow at the moment, but the roadmap is clear. Some work on live shapes / rectangles. Checks again with SFC for April payment. *PBS* Added coverage support to 2geom. Currently 47% coverage. Trying to join the GKT4 migration effort, e.g. dialogs + mjakemans event controller branch. Few minor issues remain, e.g. double-click to select text Why is modal dialogs not available in GTK4? They have deprecated it in favor of gtk::Window and AlertDialog (4.10+). Both of them can be made modal. [+ additional discussion about the event loop, other GKT4 MRs] Clips / Mask: We treat it the same. Conceptually, clipping is a vector operation and masking a pixel operation, and in the spec, different child elements are allowed. Needs a little bit of rewriting. Backport MR with cache fixes? Can only break what was already broken -> Marc decides. *Tav* Most things on the list "before the switch" to GTK4 are done. Some don't make sense to do before, some "at the time of switch" can already be done now. *Mike* Symbols ID fix ready to go. (!5363) - some discussion ensued. See you next week! Jonathan

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June Vectors Meeting
by Maren Hachmann 02 Jun '23

02 Jun '23

Hello Vectors (and everyone interested in what we do), our next Vectors team meeting is tomorrow (or today, depending upon your location)! Here's the proposed agenda: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/269 Please comment on items you think should be added (or add them yourself, if you have the necessary permission)! Here's a shortcut to find the concrete time for your time zone: https://inkscape.org/cals/ Maren

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Inkscape 1.3 beta0 available for testing!
by Maren Hachmann 30 May '23

30 May '23

Inkscape 1.3 beta0 =================== Inkscape 1.3 beta0 is now available for testing for all three supported operating systems (Linux, macOS, Windows)! Being a pre-release, this version is not intended for production use, but to help us smooth out any issues that should not show up in the actual release this summer. You can download it from: https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-1.3beta0/ When testing, please try out the major upcoming features, such as: * Shape builder * On-Canvas Pattern Editing * Pattern Editor * Page margin & bleed * Document Resources Dialog * Return of Search, opacity & blend modes in Layers & Objects dialog and the (now optional) persistent snap bar * Font Collections * Syntax highlighting in XML Editor * LPE dialog user interface redesign * Improved performance thanks to fully asynchronous, multithreaded rendering * Better PDF import Check out the news here: https://inkscape.org/news/2023/05/30/inkscape-reveals-tools-organizing-effi… or, if you want to know more, see the release notes draft in the Wiki at: https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.3 If you find any issue with this beta version, please report it to https://inkscape.org/report ----------------------------- Join an Inkscape project team ----------------------------- Inkscape is always happy to welcome new contributors in various areas: code, docs, translation, UX, bug triaging, or even outreach! The main ways to get involved are listed on https://inkscape.org/contribute/ and you can get in touch with us on https://chat.inkscape.org/ Thanks to everyone involved in this beta release! -- The Inkscape team

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Developer Meeting Notes, May 29th 2023
by Martin Owens 29 May '23

29 May '23

Hey Everyone, This week's meeting notes might be incomplete, I had to leave before people had stopped talking. But I don't think these notes are missing too much: Meeting: Monday 29th May 2023 Next Meeting: Tuesday 6th June 2023 Attending: Jonathan, Nicco, Martin, René, Tav, Marc, PBS # Beta Release Marc has worked on and published all the beta release files to the website. A brief talk about the beta release schedule and how our scheduling works between the release manager (Marc) and the macOS release engineer (René). The new release for macOS is built today and is now live. René has informed vectors so they can schedule themselves as needed. More updates for macOS libraries to keep everything sharp for 1.3. Extensions needs to be branched to 1.3.x now though because of string freeze. Jonathan is going to push his menu updates forwards now. Though he will need to ask Maren if this is ok. The beta has the right welcome screens, but the wrong about screen. Marc will work on fixing this. René needs to write a short bit of instructions for an artist to be able to do it themselves. # Crossink René and Martin have worked on getting the cross-compiler working so linux programmers can generate windows builds. This functionality has atrophied a little since Jan. # GitLab Infrastructure Some issues with the testing stage on GitLab. It's a bumpy road to clear up. There's problems between how one's own machine works compared to their runners. # Color Management Tav has been working on some of the color management stuff but will put it to oneside for now so he can work on Gtk4. Marc, Martin, Tav and Philip talk about the color management support will work for Wayland. Trying and keep as much of the code as possible, but remove the bits that interact directly with Gtk3 and X11 only paths. # Other Items Nicco has been working on positioning and getting items in the right places. Martin's not been doing much beyond preparing merges and fixes for beta and helping out where possible. Tav and Jonathan talk mesh gradients wrt to the ai importer as well as Adobe's thinking on mesh gradients. GSoc toolbar refactoring is going to take a lot of discussion to make sure we get the best fix. The way widgets fall off the end of the toolbar is a design which we now have to do ourselves. Marc continued to work on the dithering patch. A discussion was had about the details of working upstream. Marc has talked about moving away from cairo. See you all Tuesday! Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer Meeting Notes: May 21st 2023
by Martin Owens 22 May '23

22 May '23

Dear developer team, It was a quiete Sunday meeting today, here are your notes: Meetings: Sunday 21st May 2023 Next Meeting: Monday 29th May 2023 René, Tav, Mikekov, Martin, Jonathan, Nicco Week was eventful for René because GitLab announced their Arm builders are now available but also announced that they are decomissioning their intel runners within two weeks at the end of May. René had to run around to patch together a way keep our CI builders working. Various movements of machines had to be planned or re-planned because of this short notice from GitLab. We're having problems getting responses from Pono and the SFC for various issues. Tav hasn't heard back about the Gtk4 contract, a PLC candidate didn't hear back when they had questions about standing for the PLC election, Jonathan hasn't heard back in two weeks about questions he has regarding the bug accelorator program. To help figure out what's going on, Jonathan is going to try and talk with Pono after the hiring committee meeting later in the week. Tav worked on some demonstration code for multi column dropdowns and generally looking into the Gtk4 migration more. Mikekov looked into translations and is worried about the systems for polish translations and the quality of code reviews. Developers are struggling with the review of these requests. Martin suggests the po directory should be split out into it's own git submodule for portability, Jonathan suggests using special folder ownership to indicate which teams in inkscape can approve changes, Mikekov explores some tooling and what might have gone wrong in the past for the polish translations. Recommended that this conversation be moved to the translators mailing list so that team can make the decisions about what it wants to do. Jonathan has been doing some assumption checking in the AI importer project. Adobe has managed to create filters which in svg are three lines, but in ai files take a hundred lines. Nicco has been working on units and scaling and has written a lot of tests. Slow but stead progress. Chris Rogers is at Wilber Week, please let him know if you have any questions. Marc may be joining him but we don't know if he's going yet. There will be a beta branching event this week, 23rd May, if Marc is available. We need to follow up with the plans for the week. This isn't a beta /release/ as that can happen after. Any open merge requests will have to be duplicated in order to make it into 1.3 after this date. Jonathan has been looking into a contract extension for the bug accelerator project. Originally for three people, reduce to two. Rafael dropped out. Martin has been doing amazing work and we could do with more of his time to work on these issues. The issue will be raised with PLC members. Martin has been working on PDF importers and fixing various regressions. Adding more tests to make it harder to break various complex files. The developer team group activity this week was looking into a few old and new merge requests. Some MRs were approved, some older MRs which were still WIP were closed. Thanks for coming everyone, see you all Monday after next. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Fwd: Election Project Leadership Committee: Results
by Martin Owens 22 May '23

22 May '23

Hey everyone, I'm sure you all got the attached message if you are an inkscape member. We now have two new Project Leadership Committee members and all seats are now filled. Thanks to Pono for being the proctor for this election. Congratulations to René and Jonathan and also thank you for stepping up and taking on the responsibilities. It's going to be awesome having you guys involved in the leadership committee. Ted or Pono, I think we need to send a message to the SFC and get the two new members inducted? I believe they need to be on the inkscape and sfc mailing lists. Is there anything else needed? ---- One personal note; we have regressed a little in terms of diversity on the plc. We used to have a non-programmer member, but now all members are from the developer team, white, male and western. Not for a lack of trying, but I think we should keep an eye on our diversity in the project and see if there anything we can do to help invite more people in and help them stick around so they get to be on the plc too. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer Team Meeting Notes - May 13th 2023
by Martin Owens 13 May '23

13 May '23

Date: Saturday, May 13th 2023 Present: René, Martin, PBS, Jonathan (presiding) Apologies: Tav We started talking about the live previewing functionality for the font tool and how the display and canvas items stacks might be modified to support displaying previews without changing the entire document. Extensions already have a live preview and use a whole new document which is fed in from the extension run. A document copy can be expensive, but might be the cheapest way to do it. The alternative is to create a kind of shadow item which would be tightly controlled by C++ destructors and modifier signals. But that was just an idea. Mikekov's font improvements branch is available for review. It contains a lot of nice improvements, but it looks a bit large. Jonathan is working with Nicco on the AI exporter. The rewrite is nearly complete and Nicco has been able to work 10-15 hours a week on it. The code structure is better and it's a lot faster, maybe an order of magnitude. Making good progress, we'll have to see as we get to the end of the project and then Jonathan will make a presentation for everyone. Gtk contracts; Tav was the only internal application and so he's been selected by us. It's with the SFC now, although no response from pono these past few weeks. We now have three applications for the Gtk4 external contractor. Details of who and what are withheld not to bias anyone's decision. PLC elections are coming up soon. There are 2 confirmed candidates and one person is still deciding. There's very few days left to put your name forwards! Please also review membership requests as soon as possible. Martin needs his merge requests approved. Paint order one is important since it contains tests to be used in another merge request. Jonathan was able to approve it before the end of the meeting. Martin changed the dev graphics for the windows builds. Mostly these won't ever be used, but it's better to have branch specific versions instead of the old 1.0 graphics in the branch. Jonathan highlighted a number of regressions and crashes in the PDF importer. Encouraged to tag them and push their priority up as crashes and regressions are top priority. PBS worked on the shape builder (well done!) and has now been working on the lib2geom problems. He's trying to read the entire mailing list archive for the whole lib2geom project as well as livarot and learn how it works, why it works, and getting in the head space of the people who were involved in building these libraries. He says working on some bugs is tricky but they need some more work to complete. But he has made a fork/branch which turns inkscape into a lib2geom toy which shows all the computational shapes and can show the output at each step. There's calculations for the geometric graph and there's parts of it that become out of sync he speculates. Visualiser branch is available here: https://gitlab.com/pbs3141/inkscape/-/commits/flattening-visualiser He's also thinking about caching in Inkscape. Seeing if caching is actually slowing us down and often turning off cache can actually speed things up. The problem is how often we don't use the cache, but spend time making the cache. He wants to look into ways of fixing it properly. Requesting feedback for these items. René discussed spellchecking with Moini and polygon. There's a lot of confusion about how the spellchecker is supposed to work on macOS. In Linux it's easy you just ask the os for one of the available spell checkers. macOS is baked in. But on windows there's a problem because we a building it with Aspell and there are no pre-built dictionaries which people can install themselves, they have to be compiled. We could ship Hunspell instead, and we can depend on what LibreOffice is doing and it downloads the available system. There's an issue in inbox which Maren created as a summary. René is encouraged to make a non-inbox issue and we can ask some people to help fix it since it's windows based. This is a sort meeting this week. The developer team activity was: Go outside and have a nice walk (when the sun comes up for those on the other side of the planet) See you all next week. Sunday May 21st, same time, same place. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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April Vectors Meeting
by Maren Hachmann 06 May '23

06 May '23

Hello Vectors (and everyone interested in what we do), our next Vectors team meeting is tomorrow! Here's the proposed agenda: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/268 Please comment on items you think should be added (or add them yourself, if you have the necessary permission)! Here's a shortcut to find the concrete time for your time zone: https://inkscape.org/cals/ Maren

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