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November Vectors Meeting
by Maren Hachmann 03 Nov '23

03 Nov '23

Hello Vectors (and everyone interested in what we do), our next Vectors team meeting is on Saturday! Here's the proposed agenda: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/278 Please comment on items you think should be added (or add them yourself, if you have the necessary permission)! Here's a shortcut to find the concrete time for your time zone: https://inkscape.org/cals/ Maren

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Developer Meeting Oct 28th 2023
by Ishaan Arora 28 Oct '23

28 Oct '23

Dear Inkscape Community, Here are the meeting notes from today's developer meeting: Meeting: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Present: Martin, Tav, Jabier, Jonathan, René, pbs, Ishaan, Jabier Next Meeting: Nov 5th René: CI Updates for MacOS and Windows. Windows CI switched to Gitlab. We did not respond to MacStadium runners, Rene contacted MacStadium for Windows runners, waiting for their reply. Gitlab CI minute consumption might increase because of this. Might need to switch to manual pipelines, this month hopefully can be passed without going over limit. 2 MRs for 1.3.x - Final updates for MacOS and Windows An idea for cleaning stale branches in the repository. Tav: Worked on File Dialogs, and building a native dialog on Windows. Some things are not present in Gtk4, like combo boxes, they're substituted by drop downs. Also looked at some glib::ustring vs std::string issues. pbs: Worked on polishing Handles - auto-reloading, finer snapping for some handles. Jabier: Working on Gtk4 dnd file, some MRs for 1.3.1 need merging (unrelated to LPEs) Ishaan: Worked on more website stuff, this week was mostly setting up local VMs. Plan to try with new dependencies and Django on a local VM in coming week. Once that is done, a box can be asked from OSUOSL. Discussions: Discussion about Native Dialog MRs (by Martin and Ted). Do we need to drop File Previews or work with upstream. Is it better to use Native dialogs or our custom one which has a marginal maintenance burden. Jonathan suggested the preview on Windows can be offloaded to any program of our choosing by modifying Registry keys. Jonathan asked about some xaml submodule updates. Martin suggested to prepare an MR for 1.3.1 pbs mentioned Inkview is very close, blocked on one file for Gtk4 pbs asked about a main gtk4 branch and Tav mentioned that it should be created rather soon. Should it be a branch or an MR? No resolution as of now. branch might be messy - "dev within dev" - anyone can rebase on top of MR's branch pbs also asked about when should the gtk4 stuff be merged. Some questions about Color manangement work by Martin - is it GPU compatible? because copying from main memory to GPU memory would be very slow - relevant if we plan to use a GPU renderer. Some history about OpenGL and Vulkan by pbs, contouring, SVG WG history by Tav lib2geom is compiled using C++20 when compiled with Inkscape, stand-alone its compiled with C++17 - not too big of an issue according to pbs Best Regards, Ishaan Arora

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Developer Meeting Oct 20th 2023
by Martin Owens 20 Oct '23

20 Oct '23

Dear Inkscape Community, Here are the meeting notes from today's developer meeting: Meeting: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Present: S.Ouchene, Martin, Tav, Marc, Krlr17, MikeKov, Jabier, Jonathan, René Next Meeting: October 28th # Gtk4 Tav has been working on the File Fialogs. When investigating the code there appear to be so many classes which at first seem like it's too many, but it's actually a permutation of open, save, windows, gtk. The real problem is the mixed up way they're written. The new Gtk4 dialogs all return Gio::File objects, and we should be using these more within our own code to avoid the conversions between std::string and Glib::ustring. Issues with the filter drop-down, keeping things in sync. Probably get rid of the win32 dialogs. Martin suggests not spending too much time trying to keep functionality which we will probably have to redesign anyway or that would take a ton of work to support. Especially if it involves hacking the Gtk widget tree in the dialog which is prone to errors. # Building and Infrastructure Marc asked Rene why the macstatium runner doesn't any more, it's blocking the 1.3.x branch. Rene wasn't aware of any issues, but to cope with it we can migrate it to the normal windows runners. There are some permissions issues to work out between Rene and Patrick to make sure the machines are accessible by more people as Rene doesn't have access to the machine Checking out CI minutes. We're ok, but cutting it close with the amount of spare minutes. Marc wanted to ask about a specific merge request related to building and CI. A short explanation about windows docker. Although this is probably not available to GitLab, but worth checking out as downloads of depedencies take the longest time in our builds and cutting this part out would be very good. Rene has been working on dependency updates. Looking into Gtk3 and 4 deps. Especially regarding libadwaita which is complicated to build with deps that don't build yet on macOS. Working through the depedency stack, for example cairo has made all their symbols private like poppler. This is worth keeping in mind when we use private symbols. Brief talk about the use of font config and freetype uses in inkscape. Libjpeg-turbo claims to be much faster than regular jpeg library. It's supposed to be compatible and more capable. Rene is interested because jpeg is built really early. Mike says it has asembler instructions for intel and wonders if this would work on macOS. Rene will make a test to try it out. # Next Version (1.3) Martin talked about his 1.3.x backporting work, some basic requests for how to tag merge requests for the backport and the target dates. All work should be completed by the end of the month giving people enough time to test 1.3.1rc1 (or similar). Jabier has finished helping with the fixes for LPE crashes and offers to help with the backporting process. But he has some worries about possible regressions from his fixes in the LPE code and asks for help testing the LPEs. Marc provides a crash issue and asks about if it's fixed. # Color Refactoring Martin has been working on doing the color refactoring. There are two main ideas, the first is to make sure colors that use profiles are tied to their profiles using a URIHandler, so we can see what objects are in use and clean them up. We can also use this to make a list of used colors for the palettes. The second is to support different spaces and not convert everything to sRGB in order to store the numbers in our code. An icc profile is not required to specify a different color space, and we should be able to output css4 like colors (for example hsl(...)) Marc shared an older merge request with his work on refactoring and Martin said this would be useful to compare it all. Mike asked for a location for color profiles and we talked breifly about color profile data. # Other Business Mikekov has been helping with merge requests. Jonthan has been waiting on feedback for the grants proposal. We'll be meeting with pono on Monday after a two week gap in SFC meetings for various things. Big thanks to everyone who came to today's meeting. You don't have to dress up to attend next week's developer meeting. It's a Saturday and attendance is lower, so we might just have a social or may just talk about 1.3, depending on the crowd. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Meeting notes; October 4th 2023
by Martin Owens 04 Oct '23

04 Oct '23

Hey Everyone, Thanks to those who were able to make today's develop meeting Attending: Alezzacreative, Jonathan, Marc, Martin, Krlr17, Ishaan, Tav Calendar: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Next Meeting: 12th October 2023 # FOSSSDem FOSSDem call for dev rooms. We need to decide if we're going to team up with another project, the room is mostly focused on presentation and on technical and development side. So we expect technical presentations and would need to be able to fill the room for at least half a day. Martin asked Marc to head up organing the effort so we have a main person who can act as the driver and ask other projects. # Packaging Marc has some packaging stuff to take care of for Linux; a bunch of issues to look at in the coming week. Martin wanted to know about the backports task, Jonathan suggested to do the testing for each of the issues to make sure it's all working. One month to go before the release and is still the plan, Martin will tell vectors so they have time. Krlr17 reports that the windows builds are not available on the website currently. Marc knows about the issue. # Grant Prooposal Jonathan reports back his meeting with pono about the grants funding project; he has found that we wouldn't ever be able to a hybrid system of allowing users to donate towards specific projects. But without that part of the proposal it would still be possible to attract donations for the global fund. # Gtk4 Migration Tav has been doing more Gtk4 stuff, trying to deal with some filename issues. It's much more particular about conversing std string and Glib::ustring classes. It's a bit tough as it's a windows specific issue because filenames are stored on windows as UTF16 but UTF8 on linux and mac. Tav is working on a script to make Images Gtk4 compatible. Daniel has been progressing on small items, still working on both his Gtk4 branch and bringing things into master when they can be. We reviewed the Gtk4 contract progress, the amount of money we're spending down and the type of work being done within the terms of the contract. Martin has talked about the merge conflicts that are happening, mostly he's holding onto large feature merge requests. Other developers might be waiting for the Gtk4 work to complete before developing new things. # Color Management System Martin gave a talk about his CMS work, the user interface, color picking the kinds of assumptions and workflows. And how to use color seperation. Other developers were very helpful in confirming if these designs and approaches are correct. Thanks for reading! Best Regards, Martin Owens

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October Vectors Meeting
by Maren Hachmann 04 Oct '23

04 Oct '23

Hello Vectors (and everyone interested in what we do), our next Vectors team meeting is on Saturday! Here's the proposed agenda: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/275 Please comment on items you think should be added (or add them yourself, if you have the necessary permission)! Here's a shortcut to find the concrete time for your time zone: https://inkscape.org/cals/ Maren

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Developer Meeting Notes - Sept 18th 2023
by doctormo＠gmail.com 19 Sep '23

19 Sep '23

Dear Developers, Thanks to everyone who came to this week's meeting. Attending: Marc, Martin, René, S.Ourchene, Tav, Jabier, Ishaan, Amenzou Meeting: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Next Date: Tuesday September 26th, 2023 Portable Apps wish for us to distribute the windows64/32 build for Inkscape 1.3. The releases policy we talked about and seems reasonable is to offer trust to fellow members who are working within the project who document the scripts and process for how the release is put together. An email has been sent back to invite them to particpate more closely and document their work. Everyone took turns to ask Tav questions about text. It's ask Tav day! Some looking at merge requests and issues, one about how to process text in the layout. Tav worked on the toolbar Gtk4 work and researching all the items that are needing for all the new widget allocations. Marc wants the toolbar work to use a merge commit, instead of squashing the commit. Tav and Rene wants to do this work collectively at the next developer meeting. Ishaan has continued working on the updates for the website. Working through each of the possible breaking changes progressively in a private branch. Rene wanted to know when 1.3.1 might be released, Martin says he's expecting November time, Marc says we need to commit all our backports which is a task for Martin in the coming weeks. Jabier has a MR that is ready to be reviwed. 5763, it needs feedback from adam. Martin has been working on CMS improvements with a UI improvement merge request which is being reviewed by designers mostly. Good feedback about the process of desktop preference profiles vs. document profiles and future work needed on color pickers. Tav has some concerns that we wouldn't be able to build AppImages with Gtk4. Marc says that there are ways around the restrictions, but we may have to ask for some backports upstream to help us with the process. See you all next week! Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer Meeting - Sept 10th 2023
by Martin Owens 10 Sep '23

10 Sep '23

Dear Devs, Thanks to everyone who came to today's developer meeting. Attending: Martin, Jonathan, Tav, Hendrick, Hash, Ishaan, Jabiertxo, PBS Calendar: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Next meeting: Monday, September 18th # Extensions Jonathan has been completing his speed and API improvements to the extensions style based API. Martin has continued work on the CMYK PDF Exporter, is planning on producing a CMYK JPEG and TIFF exporter as part of the work needed for that, but it should provide extra functionality outside of the PDF work. It may need more packaging work for the binary Python Image Library or another color management library support, will know more in the coming weeks. # Improvements Hendrick - Second time in this meeting, really interesting starting work on Inkscape and like last time he's focusing on the maths side for offsetting paths. If one thinks about it from the maths side instead of the code side he sees a lot of room for improvement. In a process of discovery and keeping some attention on performance. Lib2Geom is quite nice because it's quite fast and they can be used for the pure maths construction. For example a cubic bezier curve it only checks a couple of points to test how good the approximations are and we can do better. Jabier worked on an improvement to the spray tool. Martin has a question about backporting tool improvements after all the event refactoring for Gtk4. Special merge requests will be needed and tested for each instance. # Gtk4 Work Tav and PBS has been working on Gtk4 stuff, getting very close to working on Gtk4 directly. The big project currently in the toolbar work. There are a couple of bugs with a couple of widgets which change size or that cause the window to change size when you change tools. But it's usable so we can merge it in sooner. PBS has been working on Gtk4 branch, we should keep to using a public shared branch to reduce the duplicate work if we're working from private branches. # Infrastructure Jonathan has been working on the paid projects work with pono and Martin, a small confusion has pono talk to Karen before we were finished drafting and he got the wrong idea of the proposal. We need to be clearer where in the process we are during drafting. We need to move to C++20 and use the CI builder to know if some feature is available in the build system. AppImage targets Ubuntu 20.04, Martin suggests using a PPA to install new Gnu tools, but Marc wasn't available so we don't know what the real limitations are. Ishaan has been working on improving the website to a new Django version. Wanted to know what kind of policy we should have for upgrading libraries when they are deprecated. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer Meeting Notes - July 24 2023
by doctormo＠geek-2.com 24 Jul '23

24 Jul '23

Hey Everyone, Thanks to everyone who came to the developer meeting this week. Event: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Present: Rafael, Marc, Martin, Thomas Holder, Mikekov, Gre, Nicco, Rene, Jonathan Next Meeting: Tuesday, August 1st 2023 (1 hour after the SFC catch up meeting) # New Stable Release Congratulations everyone for the release. We've had about 25k downloads today. The responses in all the social media and news sites has been very positive so far. We're all very happy with the release, although we understand there are still some rough patches. Martin wants to say that he’s very proud of being able to work with everyone this last year and hopes everyone knows how much they rock. Request for the website developer: Add all the download numbers together from the releases into the download page. Maybe cache the number so it's not so over requesting. This time we made the RC and final installers days before the final release date so we have a lot more buffer than usual and could fix issues with the msi build without too much stress. Even the windows store creator didn't crash this time. So this year’s release went much smoother. Marc - Made the windows installers signed, self-signed so they still get a warning about trust. But the notice dialog will now say it's by "Inkscape" which is slightly better than "Unknown" # Ongoing Fixes The 1.3.x branch is unfrozen, so please apply fixes and things which you can apply to the 1.3, including backports which couldn't be applied to 1.3 in time. Don't spend too much time making features which can only apply to 1.3 even if we have some disruption with 1.4's Gtk4 migration. Rene wanted to ask that we keep 1.3.x issues tagged properly so Martin can work on them with his bug fixing contract. # Other Developments Nicco has been working on the AI contract extension. He's been working on live path effects for rectangles which works quite nice. He'll be working on styles next, gradients and other elements. Jonathan has been unavailable because of parental leave. Rafael has started looking at some problems in lib2geom, specifically to do with arcs, there was a good implementation which didn't have all the cases covered. We've worked on stabilizing the numerical stability of the current methods, but we're reaching the end of what can be done with these methods. There are some new mathematics which use a degree four polynomial the basis of which has been added already. This is all to fix the intersections of two ellipse/arcs. Rafael we may add a rotate box in the select tool. Marc has some concerns that it might be cluttering. Martin suggests that a configurable toolbar would allow non-default features which could be switched on. Although some users think this is essential, Marc thinks they could use the transform dialog instead. Thomas has joined us to congratulate us for the new release. He was trying out some new features and hit some limitations so has coded it. Martin hasn't been available because of a bereavement; wants to thank everyone for covering him while he’s been away. Has made a poll for his sponsors what they want him to work on for the coming year. He'll be focusing on CapyPDF for CMYK PDF output and the secondary project will be the connectors tool which has been waiting for a while. Jonathan joins us to congratulate us on a great release. # Gtk4 No one was available to talk about Gtk4 this week. # Infrastructure Marc reported our CI builder minutes usage on GitLab skyrocketed. There is some discussion about the possible future CI configurations, running them ourselves etc. Intel machines for macOS, Linux machines, etc. Rene reports that the Gnome project is having isolation problems in their CI builder but they don't have anyone to look after the machine. Rene has concerns that the Gnome project isn't committed to macOS and might not be trustworthy. So even though he could spend time helping Gnome, he fears it might be a waste of his volunteer time. There may be some interpersonal or cultural issues that need to be unpicked. Marin suggested we need to get together with the Gnome project and try and talk it out. He's got an open ticket so they can use his macOS CI runner for glib. # Events We have some interest in tracking FOSSDEM and LGM events. And seeing if we can run a dev room, or a booth or what might be possible. Lots of interesting topics for a dev room. Editable SVG, Gtk4, and other cross-project collaboration. Awesome meeting everyone. Lots talked about. See you all next week. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Developer Meeting - July 16th 2023
by Martin Owens 16 Jul '23

16 Jul '23

Hey everyone, This week's developer meeting is all about the new release, which is next week! Present: Marc, René, Gre, Jabiertxof, Krlr, Mikekov, Rafael, Tav, Michéle, Jonathan Event: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/1/ Next Event: July 24th (after the 1.3 RELEASE!) # New Website Style for 1.3 Jabier's new website design has been deployed by Martin this week, please report any issues to Jabiertxof via the inkscape website chat channel or gitlab project. Jonathan and Martin briefly review the support-us links that come from the welcome screen. We need to do a full review of those pages to remove old content that points to launchpad for example. # The 1.3 Release About screen needs to be added to the repository. Marc is preparing the main release candidate and is adding the about screen in. News, version and RC tag. If everything goes right then tag it as 1.3. Michéle asks if we're on track; it sounds like we are. Vector's team is ready and waiting for the release itself. Marc says the date of the release can be between the 21st and 23rd in the release notes. Jonathan reports that the extensions are ready for 1.3 and no issues or blockers. Martin and Marc bump the extensions version 1.3 to make sure it's tagged correctly. The macOS build has a few commits to get in for the release. Specifically related to the ghostscript error. Regressions and the mingw issues with glib appaear to have been fixed. Reviewing the website download redirects and which versions we want to go where. Going through Nathan's release checklist: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues/7983 Does the dev team think the 1.3 is stable? * 2 stable than ever * 2 votes for stable enough * 0 for unstable but ok * 0 for not stable enough. # The Next Version A short discussion about how to milestone issues for 1.3.1 and some of the merge requests which are not being packported for 1.3 but will be included in 1.3.1. Issues should have milestones so the bug accelerator contractor (Martin) can work on them. Marc asks Tav how the Gtk4 project is going. Tav says that things are going fine and they're slowly making their way through things with multiple people contributing. The actual Gtk4 build is a ways off, but the Gtk3 migrations will be merged sooner rather than later. Martin asks about the assessed scale of the project and if we feel like we've accounted for the size of the work correctly and if we're on track. Tav says that he feels at this stage we've done a good job of figuring out the size of the task. René asks if we should ask Microsoft to sponsor our signed certificate. It might help make Inkscape easier to install with fewer warnings. # Upsteam Relationship with Gnome René has been trying to get into the Gnome project's request for macOS assistance and them moving to "a best effort" rather than a comitment to it. Martin comments about how much we should be re-enforcing out relationship with Gnome and making sure we are a healthy downstream project. Helping them with things that they need to make sure the infrastructure and other components they need are in place. # Other Things Mikekov has been working on some blockers and his extension gallery user interface feature. Gre/Dilip has come with a few ideas. Rewards for getting involved, incouraging people to contribute to stock graphics. The dev team encourgae them to talk to the vectors team about specific ideas. The dev team can't do too much here. Jonathan reviews a few things in the AI importer. Nicco has official completed his contract time. And Jonathan has come to terms with the architecture which actually makes it easier to test things. The review is to go over how or if we're going to continue with the second half of the contract. There's a list of expected deliverable work and Nicco would be required to act more more self-sufficiently if we proceeded. Thanks everyone for coming. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] July Vectors Meeting
by Maren Hachmann 09 Jul '23

09 Jul '23

Hi Philip, as the meetings are held via chat, it's possible to read them up any time you like. Additionally, a protocol is available on the linked issue. Maren Am 09.07.23 um 13:00 schrieb Philip Rhoades: > Maren, > > > On 2023-07-07 04:12, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> Hello Vectors (and everyone interested in what we do), >> >> our next Vectors team meeting is on Saturday! >> >> Here's the proposed agenda: >> >> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/270 > > > It appears that the meetings are not recorded? - I thought I might > listen to one to see if I should get involved to some extent . . > > Phil. > > >> Please comment on items you think should be added (or add them >> yourself, if you have the necessary permission)! >> >> Here's a shortcut to find the concrete time for your time zone: >> >> https://inkscape.org/cals/ >> >> Maren >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape Devel mailing list -- inkscape-devel(a)lists.inkscape.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-devel-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org >

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