Vote2: Update Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement (FSA) with SFC
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier to change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change to using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one is to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify any particular place.
= Current FSA Language =
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd... ``` Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”). ```
= Proposed New Language =
``` Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process [two options available, see below]. ```
= Options =
a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time.
= Next Steps =
On the advice of Karen, after this vote we will send the result and the new language to the SFC and they will help us with the next parts of the process to update the agreement.
Thanks everyone!
Best Regards, Martin Owens
I vote a.
----- Original Message ----- | From: "Martin Owens" doctormo@geek-2.com | To: "Inkscape Board" inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org | Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 8:50:04 AM | Subject: [Inkscape-board] Vote2: Update Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement (FSA) with SFC | | = Background = | | The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal | Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier to | change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change to | using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership | comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to | attempt a change without the specific url. | | There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one is | to | publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify any | particular place. | | = Current FSA Language = | | https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd... | ``` | Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to | the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals | listed | in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”). | ``` | | = Proposed New Language = | | ``` | Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to | the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the | contributors permitted to participate in that election process [two | options available, see below]. | ``` | | = Options = | | a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" | b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" | c. Do not change the FSA at this time. | | = Next Steps = | | On the advice of Karen, after this vote we will send the result and | the | new language to the SFC and they will help us with the next parts of | the process to update the agreement. | | Thanks everyone! | | Best Regards, Martin Owens | _______________________________________________ | Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- | inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org | To unsubscribe send an email to | inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org |
A. For me as well.
On Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 07:54 tavmjong@free.fr wrote:
I vote a.
----- Original Message ----- | From: "Martin Owens" doctormo@geek-2.com | To: "Inkscape Board" inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org | Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 8:50:04 AM | Subject: [Inkscape-board] Vote2: Update Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement (FSA) with SFC | | = Background = | | The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal | Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier to | change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change to | using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership | comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to | attempt a change without the specific url. | | There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one is | to | publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify any | particular place. | | = Current FSA Language = | | https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd... | ``` | Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to | the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals | listed | in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”). | ``` | | = Proposed New Language = | | ``` | Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to | the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the | contributors permitted to participate in that election process [two | options available, see below]. | ``` | | = Options = | | a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" | b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" | c. Do not change the FSA at this time. | | = Next Steps = | | On the advice of Karen, after this vote we will send the result and | the | new language to the SFC and they will help us with the next parts of | the process to update the agreement. | | Thanks everyone! | | Best Regards, Martin Owens | _______________________________________________ | Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- | inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org | To unsubscribe send an email to | inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org | _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
a ☺
Le 26/08/2021 à 08:50, Martin Owens a écrit :
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier to change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change to using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one is to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify any particular place.
= Current FSA Language =
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd...
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).= Proposed New Language =
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process [two options available, see below].= Options =
a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time.
= Next Steps =
On the advice of Karen, after this vote we will send the result and the new language to the SFC and they will help us with the next parts of the process to update the agreement.
Thanks everyone!
Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
Happy with a or b.
Ted On Aug 26 2021, at 1:50 am, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier to change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change to using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one is to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify any particular place.
= Current FSA Language = https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd...
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).= Proposed New Language =
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process [two options available, see below].= Options = a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time.
= Next Steps = On the advice of Karen, after this vote we will send the result and the new language to the SFC and they will help us with the next parts of the process to update the agreement.
Thanks everyone! Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
I vote a.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 11:50 PM Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier to change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change to using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one is to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify any particular place.
= Current FSA Language =
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd...
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).= Proposed New Language =
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process [two options available, see below].= Options =
a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time.
= Next Steps =
On the advice of Karen, after this vote we will send the result and the new language to the SFC and they will help us with the next parts of the process to update the agreement.
Thanks everyone!
Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
Thanks everyone, a super fast vote turnaround.
I vote a.
= Votes =
a. Tav a. Chris a. Josh a. Marc a|b. Ted a. Martin
= Resolution =
We have decided to change the FSA language to:
``` Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process publicly available on its website. ```
= Next Steps =
I will contact Karen to get the ball rolling on the change.
Thanks everyone!
As a follow up the next video meting, I will propose discussing the mechanism side of this problem unless there's a more pressing topic. ( https://inkscape.org/cals/event/30/)
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 02:50 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier to change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change to using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one is to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify any particular place.
= Current FSA Language =
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd...
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).= Proposed New Language =
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process [two options available, see below].= Options =
a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time.
Thanks everyone!
Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
Great, please make sure to add both the votes to the board repository.
Also, I think that we should make sure to use the AUTHORS file as is until we establish a process for maintaining the list. For instance: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/blob/master/AUTHORS Has 185 lines while: https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt Only has 172. Until there is a process that is auditable and transparent I don't think the list should be changed. I'm not sure what the differences are between them. Ted On Aug 26 2021, at 3:26 pm, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Thanks everyone, a super fast vote turnaround.
I vote a. = Votes = a. Tav a. Chris a. Josh a. Marc a|b. Ted a. Martin
= Resolution = We have decided to change the FSA language to:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process publicly available on its website.= Next Steps = I will contact Karen to get the ball rolling on the change. Thanks everyone! As a follow up the next video meting, I will propose discussing the mechanism side of this problem unless there's a more pressing topic. ( https://inkscape.org/cals/event/30/)
Best Regards, Martin Owens On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 02:50 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier to change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change to using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one is to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify any particular place.
= Current FSA Language =
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd...
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).= Proposed New Language =
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process [two options available, see below].= Options =
a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time.
Thanks everyone!
Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
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Not only the size of the lists, but some names are listed differently. Mine's not consistent between them (as well as not listing my actual handle in the website one), buliabyak's real name is used in the website list (if that wasn't his choice, it's something to take into account), etc. Should I assume the website list was generated from either the repo commit history as well as manually modified or something like that? If it was generated from commit history or something of that nature it is also likely leaving out authors who only ever submitted patches via the bug tracker and never made direct commits. Just a couple things to take into account for this.
Cheers, Josh
On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 2:29 PM Ted Gould ted@gould.cx wrote:
Great, please make sure to add both the votes to the board repository.
Also, I think that we should make sure to use the AUTHORS file as is until we establish a process for maintaining the list. For instance:
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/blob/master/AUTHORS Has 185 lines while:
https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt
Only has 172. Until there is a process that is auditable and transparent I don't think the list should be changed. I'm not sure what the differences are between them.
Ted
On Aug 26 2021, at 3:26 pm, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Thanks everyone, a super fast vote turnaround.
I vote a.
= Votes =
a. Tav a. Chris a. Josh a. Marc a|b. Ted a. Martin
= Resolution =
We have decided to change the FSA language to:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process publicly available on its website.= Next Steps =
I will contact Karen to get the ball rolling on the change.
Thanks everyone!
As a follow up the next video meting, I will propose discussing the mechanism side of this problem unless there's a more pressing topic. ( https://inkscape.org/cals/event/30/)
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 02:50 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier to change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change to using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one is to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify any particular place.
= Current FSA Language =
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd...
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).= Proposed New Language =
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process [two options available, see below].= Options =
a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time.
Thanks everyone!
Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
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Hi Ted and Josh,
As reported on rocket chat, the following names are missing email addresses (or a last name for one). If you're able to help fill in the details, it'll make it easier to keep track of who these people are. But if not, the plan is to add blanks (name only) assuming none of the current contributors have any further information. (this is especially true if you have the old mailing list information with full emails)
Adrian Knoth Aleksandar Urošević Aurélie De-Cooman Ben Cromwell Benoît Lavorata Fred inductiveload Michael Grosberg Noé Falzon Victor Navez Joshua L. Blocher Andre Twupack Tim Mooney Marcus Brubaker
Otherwise it's exact, I've fixed Bulia Byak's entry, thanks for the catch.
Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 16:28 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
Great, please make sure to add both the votes to the board repository.
Also, I think that we should make sure to use the AUTHORS file as is until we establish a process for maintaining the list. For instance:
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/blob/master/AUTHORS Has 185 lines while:
https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt
Only has 172. Until there is a process that is auditable and transparent I don't think the list should be changed. I'm not sure what the differences are between them.
Ted
On Aug 26 2021, at 3:26 pm, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Thanks everyone, a super fast vote turnaround.
I vote a.
= Votes =
a. Tav a. Chris a. Josh a. Marc a|b. Ted a. Martin
= Resolution =
We have decided to change the FSA language to:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process publicly available on its website.= Next Steps =
I will contact Karen to get the ball rolling on the change.
Thanks everyone!
As a follow up the next video meting, I will propose discussing the mechanism side of this problem unless there's a more pressing topic. ( https://inkscape.org/cals/event/30/)
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 02:50 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier
to
change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change
to
using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one
is
to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify
any
particular place.
= Current FSA Language =
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd...
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by thecontributors to
the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).
= Proposed New Language =Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the
contributors to
the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process
[two
options available, see below].
= Options = a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time. Thanks everyone! Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
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While we don't currently have a procedure, I'd be against any that allows for announcements of changes to the list over a temporal medium like chat.
I don't think you have the authority to make those changes Martin. Whether you could find the addresses or not. I think that as develop a procedure it should have a clause for people who are unable to be contacted. But until we have that process we shouldn't apply a random one. We should develop the process, then apply it. Generally for most things I'm of the opinion to "empower the doers" and I think that it is your intent to make things better. But I don't think we can do that with things related to governance and who is allowed to vote. Ted On Aug 27 2021, at 1:21 am, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Hi Ted and Josh,
As reported on rocket chat, the following names are missing email addresses (or a last name for one). If you're able to help fill in the details, it'll make it easier to keep track of who these people are. But if not, the plan is to add blanks (name only) assuming none of the current contributors have any further information. (this is especially true if you have the old mailing list information with full emails)
Adrian Knoth Aleksandar Urošević Aurélie De-Cooman Ben Cromwell Benoît Lavorata Fred inductiveload Michael Grosberg Noé Falzon Victor Navez Joshua L. Blocher Andre Twupack Tim Mooney Marcus Brubaker
Otherwise it's exact, I've fixed Bulia Byak's entry, thanks for the catch.
Regards, Martin Owens On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 16:28 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
Great, please make sure to add both the votes to the board repository.
Also, I think that we should make sure to use the AUTHORS file as is until we establish a process for maintaining the list. For instance:
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/blob/master/AUTHORS Has 185 lines while:
https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt
Only has 172. Until there is a process that is auditable and transparent I don't think the list should be changed. I'm not sure what the differences are between them.
Ted
On Aug 26 2021, at 3:26 pm, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Thanks everyone, a super fast vote turnaround.
I vote a.
= Votes =
a. Tav a. Chris a. Josh a. Marc a|b. Ted a. Martin
= Resolution =
We have decided to change the FSA language to:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process publicly available on its website.= Next Steps =
I will contact Karen to get the ball rolling on the change.
Thanks everyone!
As a follow up the next video meting, I will propose discussing the mechanism side of this problem unless there's a more pressing topic. ( https://inkscape.org/cals/event/30/)
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 02:50 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier
to
change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change
to
using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one
is
to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify
any
particular place.
= Current FSA Language =
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd...
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by thecontributors to
the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).
= Proposed New Language =Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the
contributors to
the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process
[two
options available, see below].
= Options = a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time. Thanks everyone! Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
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On Fri, 2021-08-27 at 16:31 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
While we don't currently have a procedure, I'd be against any that allows for announcements of changes to the list over a temporal medium like chat.
I don't think you have the authority to make those changes Martin. Whether you could find the addresses or not. I think that as develop a procedure it should have a clause for people who are unable to be contacted. But until we have that process we shouldn't apply a random one. We should develop the process, then apply it.
Generally for most things I'm of the opinion to "empower the doers" and I think that it is your intent to make things better. But I don't think we can do that with things related to governance and who is allowed to vote.
This would make sense if the list was in effect, but it's not. I understand your need to make sure everything is done appropriately, but there hasn't been any application of any policy at this stage. You're applying finishing rules to a draft process.
Ted lad, you need to scale back the fear response. I trust the SFC will guide us on process and we'll have the opportunity to make sure the published list is perfect before it goes into effect.
Please come to the next meeting, if you can. And if you can't, if you can get me a list of the main points you want to make sure is factored in, it'll be great to have your voice in the mix.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 22:52 Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Ted lad, you need to scale back the fear response.
Likewise here. We don't need to be addressing each other directly and assuming fear as a motivation. Let's stick to getting the process refined to everyone's satisfaction.
On Aug 27 2021, at 4:52 pm, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
This would make sense if the list was in effect, but it's not. I understand your need to make sure everything is done appropriately, but there hasn't been any application of any policy at this stage. You're applying finishing rules to a draft process.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. We voted to change the charter, it is the charter now. Certainly the SFC has to rubber stamp it, but that is it. The list posted on the website is the list. It should be the AUTHORS file at the time of the vote verbatim. Ted
On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 10:16 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
On Aug 27 2021, at 4:52 pm, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
This would make sense if the list was in effect, but it's not. I understand your need to make sure everything is done appropriately, but there hasn't been any application of any policy at this stage. You're applying finishing rules to a draft process.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. We voted to change the charter, it is the charter now. Certainly the SFC has to rubber stamp it, but that is it. The list posted on the website is the list. It should be the AUTHORS file at the time of the vote verbatim.
This is an interpretation which I had not factored into the process at all. The next steps were literally contact SFC (see vote footer) and the advice from Karen was what this begins the process. It's theoretically true that the language goes into effect, but I would have thought this would be unwise for a legal document as I kind of expected the SFC to dot it's teas and cross it's eyes.
C'est la vie.
I'll add the missing names tomorrow and hand in the spreadsheet for comparison.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
Thank you Martin.
I'm a fan of the idea to do things in smaller steps to make it an easier mountain to climb, but I think we have to be careful of the plateaus along the way. Ted On Aug 28 2021, at 10:33 am, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 10:16 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
On Aug 27 2021, at 4:52 pm, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
This would make sense if the list was in effect, but it's not. I understand your need to make sure everything is done appropriately, but there hasn't been any application of any policy at this stage. You're applying finishing rules to a draft process.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. We voted to change the charter, it is the charter now. Certainly the SFC has to rubber stamp it, but that is it. The list posted on the website is the list. It should be the AUTHORS file at the time of the vote verbatim.
This is an interpretation which I had not factored into the process at all. The next steps were literally contact SFC (see vote footer) and the advice from Karen was what this begins the process. It's theoretically true that the language goes into effect, but I would have thought this would be unwise for a legal document as I kind of expected the SFC to dot it's teas and cross it's eyes.
C'est la vie. I'll add the missing names tomorrow and hand in the spreadsheet for comparison.
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On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 12:43 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
Thank you Martin.
I'm a fan of the idea to do things in smaller steps to make it an easier mountain to climb, but I think we have to be careful of the plateaus along the way.
Plateauing is also one of my worries.
I've sent the research details to the private sfc list, it contains email addresses and other sensitive (and maybe GDPR busting) data. The live list is exact, I counted every name manually.
MArtin,
I don't think you have the authority to make those changes Martin. Whether you could find the addresses or not.
This is really unpleasant to read. Martin is tossing out ideas for a process, and frankly is the only driving force to make things better. This isn't assuming authority, its starting to pitch things that people in the project are asking for.
If every new idea is met with accusations of assuming authority, we will get no new ideas, and things will stay in their unsatisfactory broken state.
It's fine to question a new process. It's not fine to accuse people who are trying to help define a new process of assuming authority.
Sugesting changes is far more helpful to get a good process in place.
I think that as develop a procedure it should have a clause for people who
are unable to be contacted.
^Like this for example is fine and helpful.
But until we have that process we shouldn't apply a random one. We should
develop the process, then apply it.
This also implies that the hard work Doc has done to draft something better than what we have is "random". Not very pleasant to read. Why not help modify the existing plan to your liking rather than insult work which has been done? From experience, it's really demotivating to hear stuff like this.
Generally for most things I'm of the opinion to "empower the doers" and I think that it is your intent to make things better. But I don't think we can do that with things related to governance and who is allowed to vote.
The whole point is to give a vote to people who should be allowed to vote based on contributions. We fail at this currently. If there's disagreement about that, we should hear it now before we waste any more of Doc's time working on it.
-C
Ted On Aug 27 2021, at 1:21 am, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Hi Ted and Josh,
As reported on rocket chat, the following names are missing email addresses (or a last name for one). If you're able to help fill in the details, it'll make it easier to keep track of who these people are. But if not, the plan is to add blanks (name only) assuming none of the current contributors have any further information. (this is especially true if you have the old mailing list information with full emails)
Adrian Knoth Aleksandar Urošević Aurélie De-Cooman Ben Cromwell Benoît Lavorata Fred inductiveload Michael Grosberg Noé Falzon Victor Navez Joshua L. Blocher Andre Twupack Tim Mooney Marcus Brubaker
Otherwise it's exact, I've fixed Bulia Byak's entry, thanks for the catch.
Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 16:28 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
Great, please make sure to add both the votes to the board repository.
Also, I think that we should make sure to use the AUTHORS file as is until we establish a process for maintaining the list. For instance:
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/blob/master/AUTHORS Has 185 lines while:
https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt
Only has 172. Until there is a process that is auditable and transparent I don't think the list should be changed. I'm not sure what the differences are between them.
Ted
On Aug 26 2021, at 3:26 pm, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Thanks everyone, a super fast vote turnaround.
I vote a.
= Votes =
a. Tav a. Chris a. Josh a. Marc a|b. Ted a. Martin
= Resolution =
We have decided to change the FSA language to:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process publicly available on its website.= Next Steps =
I will contact Karen to get the ball rolling on the change.
Thanks everyone!
As a follow up the next video meting, I will propose discussing the mechanism side of this problem unless there's a more pressing topic. ( https://inkscape.org/cals/event/30/)
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 02:50 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
= Background =
The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier
to
change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change
to
using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to attempt a change without the specific url.
There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one
is
to publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify
any
particular place.
= Current FSA Language =
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/9584/2015-09-12-Inkscape-FSA-2015-05.pd...
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by thecontributors to
the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).
= Proposed New Language =Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the
contributors to
the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the contributors permitted to participate in that election process
[two
options available, see below].
= Options = a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website" b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly" c. Do not change the FSA at this time. Thanks everyone! Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
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