I vote 3. In looking through the release notes, I'm not sure $2,500 is merited for a video of this minor release (I'm stating that as opposed to a major release, not saying it's not significant... just that I don't know how much there is to demo in a "sales pitch" way). I am not against funding for it, but it's not a trivial amount of money for the apparent lack of changes in many regards (again, going based on release notes there are non-trivial changes in some areas and just a lot of stuff that you can't demonstrate quickly for the places that received substantive changes w/o the video focusing too much on any one area and then not being good at promotion as opposed to explanation). I'd probably suggest $1,000-$1,500 instead for this. I'm interested to see if funding seems to make a difference. That said, I'd be more comfortable starting a little smaller given the lack of uniform votes for a farewell gift for Bryce and his 20+ years of involvement in Inkscape and it's related projects. I'm not opposed to the full amount, my preference is a smaller start with a less "amazing" release than the past two. Cheers, Josh On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 11:58 AM Martin Owens <doctormo(a)geek-2.com&gt; wrote: > Dear Leadership Committee, > > You attention is required to vote on funding for the Inkscape 1.2 > release video for 2022. As previously mentioned in our budget meeting, > we have in our project a well respected video creator who makes videos > for Gnome, the SFC and has made two previous Inkscape release videos > and who needs funding for their work in the coming year. > > Background: > > We as a project benefit from having a good looking and timely release > video and this funding will enable our contributor, Chris Rogers, to > spend the needed time without overwork. > > Videos for reference: > 1.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlS0zKXsdvo > 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UHXkND4Sc > Gnome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2D4aWTsXM > GUADEC Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9e0cyrryRY > > Conflict of Interest: > > * Chris Rogers is a member of this committee and will not be able to > vote on this measure as a matter of conflict of interest. > > Ballot: > > 1. Spend $2,500 on a release video for Inkscape 1.2 > 2. Do not spend any money on a release video > 3. Something else... > > Thanks everyone. > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- > inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org > To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org > _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org

I wasn't trying to impune anyone's hard work or efforts or anything that has gone into it. My use of the word "minor" was simply indicating the format of 1.2.0 (major.minor.point/bugfix). It wasn't any form of commentary. If the current release notes are an indication of how much is undocumented given your convincing pitch vs what's listed then they're woefully in bad shape. And no, that's not a dig at anyone's contributions or calling anyone out because things weren't well documented while being worked on, but going on that page alone it's not /feeling/ like a "BIG DEAL" for this community member (especially with the lack of Multipage, that would be a game changer alone). I'm also going to throw out there that something as major as Multipage (if it's really primetime ready) might merit a "major" release... it's that significant of a change imho (yes, I'm suggesting that alone could merit a 2.0). However, version numbering is obviously something different people have different views on and this also isn't the place for that discussion. ;) Cheers, Josh On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 2:38 AM C R <cajhne(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Just some notes RE: the 1.2 video: > > A ton of work has been done for this "minor" release. For reference, I > try to highlight 10-12 of the most exciting changes in a release video, at > that price point. > Not to mention that these release notes are incomplete, and don't include > things like Doc's much anticipated multipage features, which (I think) will > also go into the 1.2 release. > These things are a BIG DEAL for the community. > In the end, we're going to have to choose which of all the amazing new > features and fixes will go into the video - we will not struggle to find > things to highlight. > > I can assure everyone there's /at least/ as much work that will happen > for this video as for the last two videos. Indeed, there will be *more* > work with this video to re-do some of the style, change the music, and add > more UX motion graphics, which people in the project have been asking for > to elevate Inkscape's videos to the level of Blender's, for example. > > The video also includes animation of the about screen contest winner's > art. This is an important community building facet of each release, and > should go in the video. > With a year's worth of work from so many of our dedicated developers, UX > folks, etc, it seems a shame to say this is a minor release, and treat it > like a second class citizen in regards to the previous two. > > Just some thoughts to help make the decision more clear vs deliverables. > -C > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:53 AM Josh Andler <scislac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> I vote 3. >> >> In looking through the release notes, I'm not sure $2,500 is merited for >> a video of this minor release (I'm stating that as opposed to a major >> release, not saying it's not significant... just that I don't know how much >> there is to demo in a "sales pitch" way). I am not against funding for it, >> but it's not a trivial amount of money for the apparent lack of changes in >> many regards (again, going based on release notes there are non-trivial >> changes in some areas and just a lot of stuff that you can't demonstrate >> quickly for the places that received substantive changes w/o the video >> focusing too much on any one area and then not being good at promotion as >> opposed to explanation). I'd probably suggest $1,000-$1,500 instead for >> this. I'm interested to see if funding seems to make a difference. That >> said, I'd be more comfortable starting a little smaller given the lack of >> uniform votes for a farewell gift for Bryce and his 20+ years of >> involvement in Inkscape and it's related projects. I'm not opposed to the >> full amount, my preference is a smaller start with a less "amazing" release >> than the past two. >> >> Cheers, >> Josh >> >> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 11:58 AM Martin Owens <doctormo(a)geek-2.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Leadership Committee, >>> >>> You attention is required to vote on funding for the Inkscape 1.2 >>> release video for 2022. As previously mentioned in our budget meeting, >>> we have in our project a well respected video creator who makes videos >>> for Gnome, the SFC and has made two previous Inkscape release videos >>> and who needs funding for their work in the coming year. >>> >>> Background: >>> >>> We as a project benefit from having a good looking and timely release >>> video and this funding will enable our contributor, Chris Rogers, to >>> spend the needed time without overwork. >>> >>> Videos for reference: >>> 1.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlS0zKXsdvo >>> 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UHXkND4Sc >>> Gnome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2D4aWTsXM >>> GUADEC Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9e0cyrryRY >>> >>> Conflict of Interest: >>> >>> * Chris Rogers is a member of this committee and will not be able to >>> vote on this measure as a matter of conflict of interest. >>> >>> Ballot: >>> >>> 1. Spend $2,500 on a release video for Inkscape 1.2 >>> 2. Do not spend any money on a release video >>> 3. Something else... >>> >>> Thanks everyone. >>> >>> Best Regards, Martin Owens >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- >>> inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- >> inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org >> >

Chris, I need to ask you to not ask for members to change their vote as it is just as much of a conflict of interest as you voting directly. Josh, Please vote however you feel is necessary for this topic. If you feel your vote requires further information we can sit down with the vectors team to give you clarification on if the release should be considered important enough to have a video as I believe they have the best information with regard to how users we receive the release. Please let me know. Best Regards, Martin Owens On Wed, 2021-12-15 at 19:55 +0100, C R wrote: > Fair enough. So knowing that there are as many or more things to show > in this video as in the previous two, are you willing to change your > vote? > > Asking for a friend. ;)

Dear Leadership Committee, You attention is required to vote on funding for the Inkscape 1.2 release video for 2022. As previously mentioned in our budget meeting, we have in our project a well respected video creator who makes videos for Gnome, the SFC and has made two previous Inkscape release videos and who needs funding for their work in the coming year. Background: We as a project benefit from having a good looking and timely release video and this funding will enable our contributor, Chris Rogers, to spend the needed time without overwork. Videos for reference: 1.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlS0zKXsdvo 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UHXkND4Sc Gnome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2D4aWTsXM GUADEC Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9e0cyrryRY Conflict of Interest: * Chris Rogers is a member of this committee and will not be able to vote on this measure as a matter of conflict of interest. Ballot: 1. Spend $2,500 on a release video for Inkscape 1.2 2. Do not spend any money on a release video 3. Something else... Thanks everyone. Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org

Due to the somewhat underwhelming response, it seems the project isn't sure whether a release video is an important part of the release. It would be wrong of me to ask the project to pay for something it's not sure it wants in the first place. I agree with Ted that the Vectors should be in charge of funding this project with the outreach budget, as it's an outreach activity, and if there's no budget yet, it's hardly worth proceeding. I'm withdrawing my offer for this release video. Let's do something else. -C On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 6:23 PM Ted Gould <ted(a)gould.cx&gt; wrote: > So I think I need to vote "3. Something else..." on this because I'm not > quite sure what this referendum does. > > We can't really "spend $2500" as we'd have to ask the SFC to negotiate a > contract with CR to do the video and we'd need to provide them the details > to do that. And we can't really add it to the budget, because we don't have > one. So I think this needs to be something else. > > Also, I don't think that budgeting is a conflict of interest as generally > speaking it is open and all bidders would have equal access to our budget. > But, I can see how some folks would see it as such. So I think perhaps we > should have a budget item in the Vectors budget (and ask them how much) for > Release Promotion. That could include a longer video. Or perhaps a shorter > video and paying for it to be an ad on various creative YouTube channels. > (or something else, not my specialty). Then CR would have to avoid > discussions on how to promote the release, but could talk about the overall > budget. > > Lastly, just to play devil's advocate against myself (surely the drugs > have worn off), a release video does have certain community building > impacts as Michelle noted. Perhaps that's a reason to leave it out of the > vectors section of the budget. > > Ted > On Dec 14 2021, at 1:57 pm, Martin Owens <doctormo(a)geek-2.com&gt; wrote: > > Dear Leadership Committee, > > You attention is required to vote on funding for the Inkscape 1.2 > release video for 2022. As previously mentioned in our budget meeting, > we have in our project a well respected video creator who makes videos > for Gnome, the SFC and has made two previous Inkscape release videos > and who needs funding for their work in the coming year. > > Background: > > We as a project benefit from having a good looking and timely release > video and this funding will enable our contributor, Chris Rogers, to > spend the needed time without overwork. > > Videos for reference: > 1.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlS0zKXsdvo > 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UHXkND4Sc > Gnome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2D4aWTsXM > GUADEC Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9e0cyrryRY > > Conflict of Interest: > > * Chris Rogers is a member of this committee and will not be able to > vote on this measure as a matter of conflict of interest. > > Ballot: > > 1. Spend $2,500 on a release video for Inkscape 1.2 > 2. Do not spend any money on a release video > 3. Something else... > > Thanks everyone. > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- > inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org > To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org > > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- > inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org > To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org >

Hi all, My head is spinning on this one... I've read through all the comments and they all make sense. And the fact that CR has withdrawn his offer may make discussing this further a moot point, but I'll add my 2 centimes. To begin, I think CR's videos are fantastic and $2500 is chump change for the work. But that is not the primary question here, which is should we as a project fund release videos? I do think it is a good idea as it helps increases the hype around Inkscape, letting people know that we are still a very active project and showing off the work that we want to highlight. Even if 1.2 is a "minor" release, a video can be seen to have value even if it is not tied to major advances in the program itself. After all, Coca-Cola doesn't wait around till it has a new type of Coke to promote its product! I decided to do something a bit different and have a look at how widely viewed the videos are: 1.0 71,972 views 2.9k Likes, No dislikes! 1.1 12,288 views 952 Likes, No dislikes! As comparison: Gnome 3.36 141,645 views 4.3k Likes, No dislikes! One thing is clear, people that watch CR's videos, love them. I'm actually a little surprise that the view number for 1.1 is not higher... maybe we didn't promote it enough? If this is what we can expect for a 1.2 release video, it works out to $0.20 per view. This is my primary concern. Now, we are not the only ones to produce "Inkscape release videos". There are actually 1.1 release videos that had more views than the "official" one: 1.1 Davies 42,588 views 1.1 askNK 18,030 views So we are getting "free" publicity from others (who seem to be better at promoting their work). After considering the benefits vs. costs, I am going to vote 1 with the understanding that this needs to go through SFC which may result in a "competitive" process. Tav ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo(a)geek-2.com&gt; | To: "Inkscape Board" <inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org&gt; | Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 8:57:50 PM | Subject: [Inkscape-board] VOTE: Release Video Budget | | Dear Leadership Committee, | | You attention is required to vote on funding for the Inkscape 1.2 | release video for 2022. As previously mentioned in our budget | meeting, | we have in our project a well respected video creator who makes | videos | for Gnome, the SFC and has made two previous Inkscape release videos | and who needs funding for their work in the coming year. | | Background: | | We as a project benefit from having a good looking and timely release | video and this funding will enable our contributor, Chris Rogers, to | spend the needed time without overwork. | | Videos for reference: | 1.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlS0zKXsdvo | 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UHXkND4Sc | Gnome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2D4aWTsXM | GUADEC Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9e0cyrryRY | | Conflict of Interest: | | * Chris Rogers is a member of this committee and will not be able to | vote on this measure as a matter of conflict of interest. | | Ballot: | | 1. Spend $2,500 on a release video for Inkscape 1.2 | 2. Do not spend any money on a release video | 3. Something else... | | Thanks everyone. | | Best Regards, Martin Owens | _______________________________________________ | Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- | inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org | To unsubscribe send an email to | inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org | _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org

Dear Leadership Committee, You attention is required to vote on funding for the Inkscape 1.2 release video for 2022. As previously mentioned in our budget meeting, we have in our project a well respected video creator who makes videos for Gnome, the SFC and has made two previous Inkscape release videos and who needs funding for their work in the coming year. Background: We as a project benefit from having a good looking and timely release video and this funding will enable our contributor, Chris Rogers, to spend the needed time without overwork. Videos for reference: 1.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlS0zKXsdvo 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UHXkND4Sc Gnome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2D4aWTsXM GUADEC Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9e0cyrryRY Conflict of Interest: * Chris Rogers is a member of this committee and will not be able to vote on this measure as a matter of conflict of interest. Ballot: 1. Spend $2,500 on a release video for Inkscape 1.2 2. Do not spend any money on a release video 3. Something else... Thanks everyone. Best Regards, Martin Owens _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org

We have a set of people who are contractors; that means they are free to provide to this project their paid work time, if the project will take it.

But there is a sense of snobbery from our fully employed members of this project, who don't seem to see why people's business hours shouldn't be given away for nothing. It's disrespectful and you absolutely need to stop assuming that this is a hobby for everyone.

This project needs more than hobby time. There are too many users who depend on Inkscape for their jobs. It's time we stopped being so careless with their work tools, especially when they have gifted us their money so we can do paid work for them.

As moderator for the project, I'd like to ask that we please keep from insulting comments like the above.