9:40 a.m.
Splitting into a separate thread for readability. (please don't add things to this
thread)
It seems that folks want to have a meeting with the SFC to get some advice. I'm happy
to facilitate that. But, I'm unsure of what advice we're looking for and what to
say we want from the meeting (help me write the email).
Dear SFC, We'd like to have a meeting and get your advice on:
<replace this text in reply> 😄
I'm traveling next week, but I should have access to email. So, let's say on
Wednesday (June 23rd) I will combine all the replies and request a meeting with the SFC
based on those.
Ted
1:52 p.m.
Hi Ted,
I'd like to hear from Marc, if he's available, before doing anything
specific. Marc, what do you think about the proposal for committee
meetings?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 19:40 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
Splitting into a separate thread for readability. (please don't
add
things to this thread)
It seems that folks want to have a meeting with the SFC to get some
advice. I'm happy to facilitate that. But, I'm unsure of what advice
we're looking for and what to say we want from the meeting (help me
write the email).
Dear SFC, We'd like to have a meeting and get your advice on:
<replace this text in reply> 😄
I'm traveling next week, but I should have access to email. So, let's
say on Wednesday (June 23rd) I will combine all the replies and
request a meeting with the SFC based on those.
Ted
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5:53 p.m.
From what I understand on how we got to this point, this would be what I'd ask
the SFC.
Dear SFC,
we'd like to have a meeting and get your advice on:
- While we do not want to give up on the decentralized volunteer-/community-driven
nature of the project ("nobody can tell anybody what to do"), there are areas
that
we are struggling with because of missing leadership. If anybody is free to do as
they please, who takes care of making plans for what's in the best interest of the
project? Currently, that's no one - including the Inkscape board, as it was neither
installed as a steering committee or authoritative body, nor conceived to be either
of those. That leads us to our current situation where we are sitting on a pile of
donations without any plans on how to spend that money (e.g. paying someone to do
work no volunteer wants to do), and we’ve kind of grinded ourselves to a halt
discussing how to approach this.
We know that we need to change the way we work, but don't know how. Do we need to
restructure the board and give it authority? Do we hire a project manager/
counsel/... whatever? How do other decentralized community-driven projects deal
with issues that would benefit from having some centralized structure/
organization in place?
Am 20.06.2021 um 06:52 schrieb Martin Owens
<doctormo(a)geek-2.com>:
Hi Ted,
I'd like to hear from Marc, if he's available, before doing anything
specific. Marc, what do you think about the proposal for committee
meetings?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 19:40 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
> Splitting into a separate thread for readability. (please don't add
> things to this thread)
>
> It seems that folks want to have a meeting with the SFC to get some
> advice. I'm happy to facilitate that. But, I'm unsure of what advice
> we're looking for and what to say we want from the meeting (help me
> write the email).
>
> Dear SFC, We'd like to have a meeting and get your advice on:
> <replace this text in reply> 😄
>
> I'm traveling next week, but I should have access to email. So, let's
> say on Wednesday (June 23rd) I will combine all the replies and
> request a meeting with the SFC based on those.
>
> Ted
>
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12:05 a.m.
Hello René,
Thanks for chiming in. Your question is a little long, so I was thinking to try and
shorten it. Do you feel this expresses the same intention?
How do we identify / encourage / recruit people who want to do the project management
aspects of funded development? Do other organizations have this as a paid position?
How do other community-driven projects express and decide on an overall direction for the
project?
Ted
On Jun 20 2021, at 3:53 am, René de Hesselle <dehesselle(a)icloud.com> wrote:
From what I understand on how we got to this point, this would be
what I'd ask
the SFC.
Dear SFC,
we'd like to have a meeting and get your advice on:
- While we do not want to give up on the decentralized volunteer-/community-driven
nature of the project ("nobody can tell anybody what to do"), there are areas
that
we are struggling with because of missing leadership. If anybody is free to do as
they please, who takes care of making plans for what's in the best interest of the
project? Currently, that's no one - including the Inkscape board, as it was neither
installed as a steering committee or authoritative body, nor conceived to be either
of those. That leads us to our current situation where we are sitting on a pile of
donations without any plans on how to spend that money (e.g. paying someone to do
work no volunteer wants to do), and we’ve kind of grinded ourselves to a halt
discussing how to approach this.
We know that we need to change the way we work, but don't know how. Do we need to
restructure the board and give it authority? Do we hire a project manager/
counsel/... whatever? How do other decentralized community-driven projects deal
with issues that would benefit from having some centralized structure/
organization in place?
> Am 20.06.2021 um 06:52 schrieb Martin Owens <doctormo(a)geek-2.com>:
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> I'd like to hear from Marc, if he's available, before doing anything
> specific. Marc, what do you think about the proposal for committee
> meetings?
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
> On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 19:40 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
>> Splitting into a separate thread for readability. (please don't add
>> things to this thread)
>>
>> It seems that folks want to have a meeting with the SFC to get some
>> advice. I'm happy to facilitate that. But, I'm unsure of what advice
>> we're looking for and what to say we want from the meeting (help me
>> write the email).
>>
>> Dear SFC, We'd like to have a meeting and get your advice on:
>> <replace this text in reply> 😄
>>
>> I'm traveling next week, but I should have access to email. So, let's
>> say on Wednesday (June 23rd) I will combine all the replies and
>> request a meeting with the SFC based on those.
>>
>> Ted
>>
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3:19 a.m.
Here's a poll for time gathering: https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
And here's a pad I made with a preliminary agenda:
https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
There was some talk in the other thread about video/voice or IRC. I don't have
any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible to all who need/want to
attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call link.
-Pono
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 07:40:38PM -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
Splitting into a separate thread for readability. (please don't
add things to this thread)
It seems that folks want to have a meeting with the SFC to get some advice. I'm happy
to facilitate that. But, I'm unsure of what advice we're looking for and what to
say we want from the meeting (help me write the email).
Dear SFC, We'd like to have a meeting and get your advice on:
<replace this text in reply> 😄
I'm traveling next week, but I should have access to email. So, let's say on
Wednesday (June 23rd) I will combine all the replies and request a meeting with the SFC
based on those.
Ted
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4:13 a.m.
Thanks Pono,
I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before we started
planning times, but this works as it'll give us a sense for when people
will be available to meet.
I've filled it out with the assumption these times are in EST, let me
know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
The goal of the request is actually to ask for the SFC's advice for
conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee members on how to
conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't been conducting
actual meetings, it's been doing "status updates" (horribly mislabeled
everywhere) so every time committee members tried to add agenda items
to discuss serious business, they would be removed as not appropriate
for the type of status update process that event for intended for.
Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an actual committee
meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real, fully developed
meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes and all the parts of
a meeting that many in the project really want (and thought we had,
until it turned out we didn't) and your help setting that up would be
great.
There is a dependency chain of administrative items that we need to
work through before we get to funding though, and I don't want us to
start on further items until we've fixed the first items:
1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people have an opportunity
to talk about the administration of the project and the community has a
space to bring items.
2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the inkscape community.
And this is devastating to our ability to act authoritatively as
EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical "inkscape community" to
agree to things. But because we don't have a handle who this community
is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any particular meeting or
team, or if we're reaching people. We need meetings to have the
practical space to work out how this will work. SFC's guidance will be
critical here.
3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the "Inkscape
Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement text) to allow...
4. Voting on a replacement member - We're currently one short, for 6
months we've been unable to hold a vote because we have no idea who to
send ballots to.
5. Then we can start sending information to everyone about important
discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the Inkscape community
will get a chance to be involved in this discussions and the inkscape
Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the community to work
through items in confidence with our new regular meetings acting as the
backbone (and contextual location) for the discussions.
You can see that we have quite the list of items to work through.
I believe there may be some confusion in the discussion about this
being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts as a leadership.
Or about funding. This request is not about funding, or about how "the
project" makes decisions. It's just about how the committee conducts
it's business and plugs back into the inkscape community so we can
start being effective again.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
Here's a poll for time gathering:
https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
And here's a pad I made with a preliminary agenda:
https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
There was some talk in the other thread about video/voice or IRC. I
don't have
any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible to all who
need/want to
attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call link.
-Pono
4:59 a.m.
The poll is UTC, sorry for not specifying.
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:13:50PM -0400, doctormo(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks Pono,
>
> I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before we started
> planning times, but this works as it'll give us a sense for when people
> will be available to meet.
>
> I've filled it out with the assumption these times are in EST, let me
> know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
>
> The goal of the request is actually to ask for the SFC's advice for
> conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee members on how to
> conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't been conducting
> actual meetings, it's been doing "status updates" (horribly mislabeled
> everywhere) so every time committee members tried to add agenda items
> to discuss serious business, they would be removed as not appropriate
> for the type of status update process that event for intended for.
>
> Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an actual committee
> meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real, fully developed
> meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes and all the parts of
> a meeting that many in the project really want (and thought we had,
> until it turned out we didn't) and your help setting that up would be
> great.
>
> There is a dependency chain of administrative items that we need to
> work through before we get to funding though, and I don't want us to
> start on further items until we've fixed the first items:
>
> 1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people have an opportunity
> to talk about the administration of the project and the community has a
> space to bring items.
> 2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the inkscape community.
> And this is devastating to our ability to act authoritatively as
> EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical "inkscape community" to
> agree to things. But because we don't have a handle who this community
> is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any particular meeting or
> team, or if we're reaching people. We need meetings to have the
> practical space to work out how this will work. SFC's guidance will be
> critical here.
> 3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the "Inkscape
> Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement text) to allow...
> 4. Voting on a replacement member - We're currently one short, for 6
> months we've been unable to hold a vote because we have no idea who to
> send ballots to.
> 5. Then we can start sending information to everyone about important
> discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the Inkscape community
> will get a chance to be involved in this discussions and the inkscape
> Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the community to work
> through items in confidence with our new regular meetings acting as the
> backbone (and contextual location) for the discussions.
>
> You can see that we have quite the list of items to work through.
>
> I believe there may be some confusion in the discussion about this
> being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts as a leadership.
> Or about funding. This request is not about funding, or about how "the
> project" makes decisions. It's just about how the committee conducts
> it's business and plugs back into the inkscape community so we can
> start being effective again.
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
> On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > Here's a poll for time gathering:
> > https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
> >
> > And here's a pad I made with a preliminary agenda:
> > https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
> >
> > There was some talk in the other thread about video/voice or IRC. I
> > don't have
> > any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible to all who
> > need/want to
> > attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call link.
> >
> > -Pono
> >
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3:27 a.m.
Hi Pono,
It looks like Marc isn't available at the moment, so we'll have to
proceed without his input/dates. And it looks like we've run through
the time poll we already did.
Could you set up a new poll and we'll put together a date for our
meeting?
Thanks and sorry for the delays.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 12:59 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
The poll is UTC, sorry for not specifying.
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:13:50PM -0400, doctormo(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks Pono,
>
> I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before we started
> planning times, but this works as it'll give us a sense for when
> people
> will be available to meet.
>
> I've filled it out with the assumption these times are in EST, let
> me
> know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
>
> The goal of the request is actually to ask for the SFC's advice for
> conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee members on how to
> conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't been conducting
> actual meetings, it's been doing "status updates" (horribly
> mislabeled
> everywhere) so every time committee members tried to add agenda
> items
> to discuss serious business, they would be removed as not
> appropriate
> for the type of status update process that event for intended for.
>
> Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an actual committee
> meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real, fully developed
> meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes and all the
> parts of
> a meeting that many in the project really want (and thought we had,
> until it turned out we didn't) and your help setting that up would
> be
> great.
>
> There is a dependency chain of administrative items that we need to
> work through before we get to funding though, and I don't want us
> to
> start on further items until we've fixed the first items:
>
> 1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people have an
> opportunity
> to talk about the administration of the project and the community
> has a
> space to bring items.
> 2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the inkscape
> community.
> And this is devastating to our ability to act authoritatively as
> EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical "inkscape community"
> to
> agree to things. But because we don't have a handle who this
> community
> is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any particular meeting
> or
> team, or if we're reaching people. We need meetings to have the
> practical space to work out how this will work. SFC's guidance will
> be
> critical here.
> 3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the "Inkscape
> Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement text) to allow...
> 4. Voting on a replacement member - We're currently one short, for
> 6
> months we've been unable to hold a vote because we have no idea who
> to
> send ballots to.
> 5. Then we can start sending information to everyone about
> important
> discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the Inkscape
> community
> will get a chance to be involved in this discussions and the
> inkscape
> Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the community to work
> through items in confidence with our new regular meetings acting as
> the
> backbone (and contextual location) for the discussions.
>
> You can see that we have quite the list of items to work through.
>
> I believe there may be some confusion in the discussion about this
> being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts as a
> leadership.
> Or about funding. This request is not about funding, or about how
> "the
> project" makes decisions. It's just about how the committee
> conducts
> it's business and plugs back into the inkscape community so we can
> start being effective again.
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
> On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > Here's a poll for time gathering:
> > https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
> >
> > And here's a pad I made with a preliminary agenda:
> > https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
> >
> > There was some talk in the other thread about video/voice or IRC.
> > I
> > don't have
> > any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible to all who
> > need/want to
> > attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call link.
> >
> > -Pono
> >
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12:34 a.m.
Here's the poll in UTC: https://framadate.org/xBJg27wbjSoOlzUk
Hopefully Tuesday-Friday next week works for people.
Thanks!
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:27:04PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
Hi Pono,
It looks like Marc isn't available at the moment, so we'll have to
proceed without his input/dates. And it looks like we've run through
the time poll we already did.
Could you set up a new poll and we'll put together a date for our
meeting?
Thanks and sorry for the delays.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 12:59 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> The poll is UTC, sorry for not specifying.
>
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:13:50PM -0400, doctormo(a)gmail.com wrote:
> > Thanks Pono,
> >
> > I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before we started
> > planning times, but this works as it'll give us a sense for when
> > people
> > will be available to meet.
> >
> > I've filled it out with the assumption these times are in EST, let
> > me
> > know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
> >
> > The goal of the request is actually to ask for the SFC's advice for
> > conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee members on how to
> > conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't been conducting
> > actual meetings, it's been doing "status updates" (horribly
> > mislabeled
> > everywhere) so every time committee members tried to add agenda
> > items
> > to discuss serious business, they would be removed as not
> > appropriate
> > for the type of status update process that event for intended for.
> >
> > Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an actual committee
> > meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real, fully developed
> > meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes and all the
> > parts of
> > a meeting that many in the project really want (and thought we had,
> > until it turned out we didn't) and your help setting that up would
> > be
> > great.
> >
> > There is a dependency chain of administrative items that we need to
> > work through before we get to funding though, and I don't want us
> > to
> > start on further items until we've fixed the first items:
> >
> > 1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people have an
> > opportunity
> > to talk about the administration of the project and the community
> > has a
> > space to bring items.
> > 2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the inkscape
> > community.
> > And this is devastating to our ability to act authoritatively as
> > EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical "inkscape community"
> > to
> > agree to things. But because we don't have a handle who this
> > community
> > is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any particular meeting
> > or
> > team, or if we're reaching people. We need meetings to have the
> > practical space to work out how this will work. SFC's guidance will
> > be
> > critical here.
> > 3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the "Inkscape
> > Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement text) to allow...
> > 4. Voting on a replacement member - We're currently one short, for
> > 6
> > months we've been unable to hold a vote because we have no idea who
> > to
> > send ballots to.
> > 5. Then we can start sending information to everyone about
> > important
> > discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the Inkscape
> > community
> > will get a chance to be involved in this discussions and the
> > inkscape
> > Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the community to work
> > through items in confidence with our new regular meetings acting as
> > the
> > backbone (and contextual location) for the discussions.
> >
> > You can see that we have quite the list of items to work through.
> >
> > I believe there may be some confusion in the discussion about this
> > being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts as a
> > leadership.
> > Or about funding. This request is not about funding, or about how
> > "the
> > project" makes decisions. It's just about how the committee
> > conducts
> > it's business and plugs back into the inkscape community so we can
> > start being effective again.
> >
> > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> >
> > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > > Here's a poll for time gathering:
> > > https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
> > >
> > > And here's a pad I made with a preliminary agenda:
> > > https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
> > >
> > > There was some talk in the other thread about video/voice or IRC.
> > > I
> > > don't have
> > > any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible to all who
> > > need/want to
> > > attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call link.
> > >
> > > -Pono
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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1:29 a.m.
I've added my times. I get my 2nd vax shot on Tuesday, and I expect to be
ill for the following days like I was for the last one, so Friday works
best for me.
Thanks for setting this up, Pono!
-C
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM Daniel Pono Takamori <pono(a)sfconservancy.org>
wrote:
Here's the poll in UTC: https://framadate.org/xBJg27wbjSoOlzUk
Hopefully Tuesday-Friday next week works for people.
Thanks!
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:27:04PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> Hi Pono,
>
> It looks like Marc isn't available at the moment, so we'll have to
> proceed without his input/dates. And it looks like we've run through
> the time poll we already did.
>
> Could you set up a new poll and we'll put together a date for our
> meeting?
>
> Thanks and sorry for the delays.
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
> On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 12:59 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > The poll is UTC, sorry for not specifying.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:13:50PM -0400, doctormo(a)gmail.com wrote:
> > > Thanks Pono,
> > >
> > > I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before we started
> > > planning times, but this works as it'll give us a sense for when
> > > people
> > > will be available to meet.
> > >
> > > I've filled it out with the assumption these times are in EST, let
> > > me
> > > know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
> > >
> > > The goal of the request is actually to ask for the SFC's advice for
> > > conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee members on how to
> > > conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't been conducting
> > > actual meetings, it's been doing "status updates" (horribly
> > > mislabeled
> > > everywhere) so every time committee members tried to add agenda
> > > items
> > > to discuss serious business, they would be removed as not
> > > appropriate
> > > for the type of status update process that event for intended for.
> > >
> > > Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an actual committee
> > > meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real, fully developed
> > > meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes and all the
> > > parts of
> > > a meeting that many in the project really want (and thought we had,
> > > until it turned out we didn't) and your help setting that up would
> > > be
> > > great.
> > >
> > > There is a dependency chain of administrative items that we need to
> > > work through before we get to funding though, and I don't want us
> > > to
> > > start on further items until we've fixed the first items:
> > >
> > > 1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people have an
> > > opportunity
> > > to talk about the administration of the project and the community
> > > has a
> > > space to bring items.
> > > 2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the inkscape
> > > community.
> > > And this is devastating to our ability to act authoritatively as
> > > EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical "inkscape
community"
> > > to
> > > agree to things. But because we don't have a handle who this
> > > community
> > > is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any particular meeting
> > > or
> > > team, or if we're reaching people. We need meetings to have the
> > > practical space to work out how this will work. SFC's guidance will
> > > be
> > > critical here.
> > > 3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the "Inkscape
> > > Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement text) to allow...
> > > 4. Voting on a replacement member - We're currently one short, for
> > > 6
> > > months we've been unable to hold a vote because we have no idea who
> > > to
> > > send ballots to.
> > > 5. Then we can start sending information to everyone about
> > > important
> > > discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the Inkscape
> > > community
> > > will get a chance to be involved in this discussions and the
> > > inkscape
> > > Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the community to work
> > > through items in confidence with our new regular meetings acting as
> > > the
> > > backbone (and contextual location) for the discussions.
> > >
> > > You can see that we have quite the list of items to work through.
> > >
> > > I believe there may be some confusion in the discussion about this
> > > being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts as a
> > > leadership.
> > > Or about funding. This request is not about funding, or about how
> > > "the
> > > project" makes decisions. It's just about how the committee
> > > conducts
> > > it's business and plugs back into the inkscape community so we can
> > > start being effective again.
> > >
> > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > > > Here's a poll for time gathering:
> > > > https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
> > > >
> > > > And here's a pad I made with a preliminary agenda:
> > > > https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
> > > >
> > > > There was some talk in the other thread about video/voice or IRC.
> > > > I
> > > > don't have
> > > > any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible to all who
> > > > need/want to
> > > > attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call link.
> > > >
> > > > -Pono
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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12:02 a.m.
I've updated my vote to include Thursday. I may not be 100% better by then,
but at least Doc will be able to join us. :)
-C
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 5:29 PM C R <cajhne(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I've added my times. I get my 2nd vax shot on Tuesday, and I
expect to be
ill for the following days like I was for the last one, so Friday works
best for me.
Thanks for setting this up, Pono!
-C
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM Daniel Pono Takamori <
pono(a)sfconservancy.org> wrote:
> Here's the poll in UTC: https://framadate.org/xBJg27wbjSoOlzUk
> Hopefully Tuesday-Friday next week works for people.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:27:04PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> > Hi Pono,
> >
> > It looks like Marc isn't available at the moment, so we'll have to
> > proceed without his input/dates. And it looks like we've run through
> > the time poll we already did.
> >
> > Could you set up a new poll and we'll put together a date for our
> > meeting?
> >
> > Thanks and sorry for the delays.
> >
> > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> >
> > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 12:59 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > > The poll is UTC, sorry for not specifying.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:13:50PM -0400, doctormo(a)gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Thanks Pono,
> > > >
> > > > I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before we started
> > > > planning times, but this works as it'll give us a sense for when
> > > > people
> > > > will be available to meet.
> > > >
> > > > I've filled it out with the assumption these times are in EST,
let
> > > > me
> > > > know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
> > > >
> > > > The goal of the request is actually to ask for the SFC's advice
for
> > > > conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee members on how to
> > > > conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't been conducting
> > > > actual meetings, it's been doing "status updates"
(horribly
> > > > mislabeled
> > > > everywhere) so every time committee members tried to add agenda
> > > > items
> > > > to discuss serious business, they would be removed as not
> > > > appropriate
> > > > for the type of status update process that event for intended for.
> > > >
> > > > Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an actual
committee
> > > > meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real, fully developed
> > > > meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes and all the
> > > > parts of
> > > > a meeting that many in the project really want (and thought we had,
> > > > until it turned out we didn't) and your help setting that up
would
> > > > be
> > > > great.
> > > >
> > > > There is a dependency chain of administrative items that we need to
> > > > work through before we get to funding though, and I don't want us
> > > > to
> > > > start on further items until we've fixed the first items:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people have an
> > > > opportunity
> > > > to talk about the administration of the project and the community
> > > > has a
> > > > space to bring items.
> > > > 2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the inkscape
> > > > community.
> > > > And this is devastating to our ability to act authoritatively as
> > > > EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical "inkscape
community"
> > > > to
> > > > agree to things. But because we don't have a handle who this
> > > > community
> > > > is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any particular meeting
> > > > or
> > > > team, or if we're reaching people. We need meetings to have the
> > > > practical space to work out how this will work. SFC's guidance
will
> > > > be
> > > > critical here.
> > > > 3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the "Inkscape
> > > > Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement text) to
allow...
> > > > 4. Voting on a replacement member - We're currently one short,
for
> > > > 6
> > > > months we've been unable to hold a vote because we have no idea
who
> > > > to
> > > > send ballots to.
> > > > 5. Then we can start sending information to everyone about
> > > > important
> > > > discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the Inkscape
> > > > community
> > > > will get a chance to be involved in this discussions and the
> > > > inkscape
> > > > Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the community to work
> > > > through items in confidence with our new regular meetings acting as
> > > > the
> > > > backbone (and contextual location) for the discussions.
> > > >
> > > > You can see that we have quite the list of items to work through.
> > > >
> > > > I believe there may be some confusion in the discussion about this
> > > > being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts as a
> > > > leadership.
> > > > Or about funding. This request is not about funding, or about how
> > > > "the
> > > > project" makes decisions. It's just about how the committee
> > > > conducts
> > > > it's business and plugs back into the inkscape community so we
can
> > > > start being effective again.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > > > > Here's a poll for time gathering:
> > > > > https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
> > > > >
> > > > > And here's a pad I made with a preliminary agenda:
> > > > > https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
> > > > >
> > > > > There was some talk in the other thread about video/voice or
IRC.
> > > > > I
> > > > > don't have
> > > > > any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible to all who
> > > > > need/want to
> > > > > attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call link.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Pono
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list --
> > > > inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org
> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to
> > > > inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
9:02 a.m.
So it looks like
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 14:00
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 15:00
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 16:00
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 20:00
(UTC)
Are the best times.
Ted & Josh?
Martin,
On Sun, 2021-07-04 at 16:02 +0100, C R wrote:
I've updated my vote to include Thursday. I may not be 100%
better by
then, but at least Doc will be able to join us. :)
-C
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 5:29 PM C R <cajhne(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I've added my times. I get my 2nd vax shot on Tuesday, and I expect
> to be ill for the following days like I was for the last one, so
> Friday works best for me.
> Thanks for setting this up, Pono!
> -C
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM Daniel Pono Takamori <
> pono(a)sfconservancy.org> wrote:
> > Here's the poll in UTC: https://framadate.org/xBJg27wbjSoOlzUk
> > Hopefully Tuesday-Friday next week works for people.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:27:04PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> > > Hi Pono,
> > >
> > > It looks like Marc isn't available at the moment, so we'll have
> > to
> > > proceed without his input/dates. And it looks like we've run
> > through
> > > the time poll we already did.
> > >
> > > Could you set up a new poll and we'll put together a date for
> > our
> > > meeting?
> > >
> > > Thanks and sorry for the delays.
> > >
> > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 12:59 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > > > The poll is UTC, sorry for not specifying.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:13:50PM -0400, doctormo(a)gmail.com
> > wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Pono,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before we
> > started
> > > > > planning times, but this works as it'll give us a sense for
> > when
> > > > > people
> > > > > will be available to meet.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've filled it out with the assumption these times are in
> > EST, let
> > > > > me
> > > > > know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
> > > > >
> > > > > The goal of the request is actually to ask for the SFC's
> > advice for
> > > > > conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee members on
> > how to
> > > > > conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't been
> > conducting
> > > > > actual meetings, it's been doing "status updates"
(horribly
> > > > > mislabeled
> > > > > everywhere) so every time committee members tried to add
> > agenda
> > > > > items
> > > > > to discuss serious business, they would be removed as not
> > > > > appropriate
> > > > > for the type of status update process that event for
> > intended for.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an actual
> > committee
> > > > > meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real, fully
> > developed
> > > > > meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes and all
> > the
> > > > > parts of
> > > > > a meeting that many in the project really want (and thought
> > we had,
> > > > > until it turned out we didn't) and your help setting that
> > up would
> > > > > be
> > > > > great.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a dependency chain of administrative items that we
> > need to
> > > > > work through before we get to funding though, and I don't
> > want us
> > > > > to
> > > > > start on further items until we've fixed the first items:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people have an
> > > > > opportunity
> > > > > to talk about the administration of the project and the
> > community
> > > > > has a
> > > > > space to bring items.
> > > > > 2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the inkscape
> > > > > community.
> > > > > And this is devastating to our ability to act
> > authoritatively as
> > > > > EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical "inkscape
> > community"
> > > > > to
> > > > > agree to things. But because we don't have a handle who
> > this
> > > > > community
> > > > > is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any particular
> > meeting
> > > > > or
> > > > > team, or if we're reaching people. We need meetings to have
> > the
> > > > > practical space to work out how this will work. SFC's
> > guidance will
> > > > > be
> > > > > critical here.
> > > > > 3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the
> > "Inkscape
> > > > > Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement text) to
> > allow...
> > > > > 4. Voting on a replacement member - We're currently one
> > short, for
> > > > > 6
> > > > > months we've been unable to hold a vote because we have no
> > idea who
> > > > > to
> > > > > send ballots to.
> > > > > 5. Then we can start sending information to everyone about
> > > > > important
> > > > > discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the Inkscape
> > > > > community
> > > > > will get a chance to be involved in this discussions and
> > the
> > > > > inkscape
> > > > > Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the community
> > to work
> > > > > through items in confidence with our new regular meetings
> > acting as
> > > > > the
> > > > > backbone (and contextual location) for the discussions.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can see that we have quite the list of items to work
> > through.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe there may be some confusion in the discussion
> > about this
> > > > > being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts as a
> > > > > leadership.
> > > > > Or about funding. This request is not about funding, or
> > about how
> > > > > "the
> > > > > project" makes decisions. It's just about how the
committee
> > > > > conducts
> > > > > it's business and plugs back into the inkscape community so
> > we can
> > > > > start being effective again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Here's a poll for time gathering:
> > > > > > https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And here's a pad I made with a preliminary agenda:
> > > > > > https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There was some talk in the other thread about video/voice
> > or IRC.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > don't have
> > > > > > any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible to
> > all who
> > > > > > need/want to
> > > > > > attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call
> > link.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Pono
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list --
> > > > > inkscape-board(a)lists.inkscape.org
> > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to
> > > > > inkscape-board-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org
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3:42 a.m.
I'm just following up because w/ Ted and I, it's now down to:
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 16:00
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 20:00
Cheers,
Josh
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 5:02 PM <doctormo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So it looks like
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 14:00
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 15:00
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 16:00
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 20:00
(UTC)
Are the best times.
Ted & Josh?
Martin,
On Sun, 2021-07-04 at 16:02 +0100, C R wrote:
> I've updated my vote to include Thursday. I may not be 100% better by
> then, but at least Doc will be able to join us. :)
> -C
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 5:29 PM C R <cajhne(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've added my times. I get my 2nd vax shot on Tuesday, and I expect
> > to be ill for the following days like I was for the last one, so
> > Friday works best for me.
> > Thanks for setting this up, Pono!
> > -C
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM Daniel Pono Takamori <
> > pono(a)sfconservancy.org> wrote:
> > > Here's the poll in UTC: https://framadate.org/xBJg27wbjSoOlzUk
> > > Hopefully Tuesday-Friday next week works for people.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:27:04PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> > > > Hi Pono,
> > > >
> > > > It looks like Marc isn't available at the moment, so we'll
have
> > > to
> > > > proceed without his input/dates. And it looks like we've run
> > > through
> > > > the time poll we already did.
> > > >
> > > > Could you set up a new poll and we'll put together a date for
> > > our
> > > > meeting?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and sorry for the delays.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 12:59 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > > > > The poll is UTC, sorry for not specifying.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:13:50PM -0400, doctormo(a)gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks Pono,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before we
> > > started
> > > > > > planning times, but this works as it'll give us a sense
for
> > > when
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > will be available to meet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've filled it out with the assumption these times are
in
> > > EST, let
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The goal of the request is actually to ask for the
SFC's
> > > advice for
> > > > > > conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee members on
> > > how to
> > > > > > conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't been
> > > conducting
> > > > > > actual meetings, it's been doing "status
updates" (horribly
> > > > > > mislabeled
> > > > > > everywhere) so every time committee members tried to add
> > > agenda
> > > > > > items
> > > > > > to discuss serious business, they would be removed as not
> > > > > > appropriate
> > > > > > for the type of status update process that event for
> > > intended for.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an
actual
> > > committee
> > > > > > meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real, fully
> > > developed
> > > > > > meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes and all
> > > the
> > > > > > parts of
> > > > > > a meeting that many in the project really want (and
thought
> > > we had,
> > > > > > until it turned out we didn't) and your help setting
that
> > > up would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > great.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a dependency chain of administrative items that
we
> > > need to
> > > > > > work through before we get to funding though, and I
don't
> > > want us
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > start on further items until we've fixed the first
items:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people have an
> > > > > > opportunity
> > > > > > to talk about the administration of the project and the
> > > community
> > > > > > has a
> > > > > > space to bring items.
> > > > > > 2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the inkscape
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > > And this is devastating to our ability to act
> > > authoritatively as
> > > > > > EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical
"inkscape
> > > community"
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > agree to things. But because we don't have a handle
who
> > > this
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any particular
> > > meeting
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > team, or if we're reaching people. We need meetings to
have
> > > the
> > > > > > practical space to work out how this will work. SFC's
> > > guidance will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > critical here.
> > > > > > 3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the
> > > "Inkscape
> > > > > > Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement text)
to
> > > allow...
> > > > > > 4. Voting on a replacement member - We're currently
one
> > > short, for
> > > > > > 6
> > > > > > months we've been unable to hold a vote because we have
no
> > > idea who
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > send ballots to.
> > > > > > 5. Then we can start sending information to everyone
about
> > > > > > important
> > > > > > discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the
Inkscape
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > will get a chance to be involved in this discussions and
> > > the
> > > > > > inkscape
> > > > > > Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the
community
> > > to work
> > > > > > through items in confidence with our new regular meetings
> > > acting as
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > backbone (and contextual location) for the discussions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can see that we have quite the list of items to work
> > > through.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe there may be some confusion in the discussion
> > > about this
> > > > > > being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts as a
> > > > > > leadership.
> > > > > > Or about funding. This request is not about funding, or
> > > about how
> > > > > > "the
> > > > > > project" makes decisions. It's just about how the
committee
> > > > > > conducts
> > > > > > it's business and plugs back into the inkscape
community so
> > > we can
> > > > > > start being effective again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Here's a poll for time gathering:
> > > > > > > https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And here's a pad I made with a preliminary
agenda:
> > > > > > > https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There was some talk in the other thread about
video/voice
> > > or IRC.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > don't have
> > > > > > > any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible
to
> > > all who
> > > > > > > need/want to
> > > > > > > attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call
> > > link.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Pono
> > > > > > >
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4:45 a.m.
Thanks Josh,
Pono, let's do 16:00, that's noon for us here in EST.
I'll put it on the calendar, we can use our BBB here unless Pono has an
alternative:
Video Link: https://digimedia1.r2.enst.fr/b/mar-9wm-vj2
Calendar: https://inkscape.org/cals/event/29/
This is a tentative agenda for tomorrow:
* The right way to run meetings; sticking to agendas, having tasks,
making sure tasks get done.
* Should we rotate the meeting president (this is the person that
presides over the meeting, not a leadership thing)
* Setting regular meeting time. The frequency of meetings, announcing,
calendars, etc.
* Having a secretary who has a protocol of where to put recordings,
notes, transcripts and other important data so the whole community will
know. (I'm interested in doing this)
* How much responsibility should committee members have? How much work
should be expected for this position?
* And if we have time, we can practice vote: Rename "Inkscape Board"
to "Inkscape Committee" in all locations.
We'll probably talk about some other stuff. But let me know if there's
something urgent we should add/change in this list before tomorrow.
Thanks everyone!
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Wed, 2021-07-07 at 11:42 -0700, Josh Andler wrote:
I'm just following up because w/ Ted and I, it's now down
to:
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 16:00
Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 20:00
Cheers,
Josh
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 5:02 PM <doctormo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> So it looks like
>
>
> Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 14:00
> Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 15:00
> Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 16:00
> Thursday, July 8, 2021 - 20:00
>
> (UTC)
>
> Are the best times.
>
> Ted & Josh?
>
> Martin,
>
> On Sun, 2021-07-04 at 16:02 +0100, C R wrote:
> > I've updated my vote to include Thursday. I may not be 100%
> better by
> > then, but at least Doc will be able to join us. :)
> > -C
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 5:29 PM C R <cajhne(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I've added my times. I get my 2nd vax shot on Tuesday, and I
> expect
> > > to be ill for the following days like I was for the last one,
> so
> > > Friday works best for me.
> > > Thanks for setting this up, Pono!
> > > -C
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM Daniel Pono Takamori <
> > > pono(a)sfconservancy.org> wrote:
> > > > Here's the poll in UTC:
> https://framadate.org/xBJg27wbjSoOlzUk
> > > > Hopefully Tuesday-Friday next week works for people.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:27:04PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> > > > > Hi Pono,
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like Marc isn't available at the moment, so
we'll
> have
> > > > to
> > > > > proceed without his input/dates. And it looks like we've
> run
> > > > through
> > > > > the time poll we already did.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you set up a new poll and we'll put together a date
> for
> > > > our
> > > > > meeting?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks and sorry for the delays.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 12:59 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori
> wrote:
> > > > > > The poll is UTC, sorry for not specifying.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:13:50PM -0400,
> doctormo(a)gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Thanks Pono,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before
we
> > > > started
> > > > > > > planning times, but this works as it'll give us a
sense
> for
> > > > when
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > will be available to meet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've filled it out with the assumption these times
are
> in
> > > > EST, let
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The goal of the request is actually to ask for the
> SFC's
> > > > advice for
> > > > > > > conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee
members
> on
> > > > how to
> > > > > > > conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't
been
> > > > conducting
> > > > > > > actual meetings, it's been doing "status
updates"
> (horribly
> > > > > > > mislabeled
> > > > > > > everywhere) so every time committee members tried to
> add
> > > > agenda
> > > > > > > items
> > > > > > > to discuss serious business, they would be removed as
> not
> > > > > > > appropriate
> > > > > > > for the type of status update process that event for
> > > > intended for.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an
> actual
> > > > committee
> > > > > > > meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real,
fully
> > > > developed
> > > > > > > meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes
and
> all
> > > > the
> > > > > > > parts of
> > > > > > > a meeting that many in the project really want (and
> thought
> > > > we had,
> > > > > > > until it turned out we didn't) and your help
setting
> that
> > > > up would
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > great.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a dependency chain of administrative items
> that we
> > > > need to
> > > > > > > work through before we get to funding though, and I
> don't
> > > > want us
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > start on further items until we've fixed the
first
> items:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people
have
> an
> > > > > > > opportunity
> > > > > > > to talk about the administration of the project and
the
> > > > community
> > > > > > > has a
> > > > > > > space to bring items.
> > > > > > > 2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the
> inkscape
> > > > > > > community.
> > > > > > > And this is devastating to our ability to act
> > > > authoritatively as
> > > > > > > EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical
> "inkscape
> > > > community"
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > agree to things. But because we don't have a
handle who
> > > > this
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any
> particular
> > > > meeting
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > team, or if we're reaching people. We need
meetings to
> have
> > > > the
> > > > > > > practical space to work out how this will work.
SFC's
> > > > guidance will
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > critical here.
> > > > > > > 3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the
> > > > "Inkscape
> > > > > > > Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement
text)
> to
> > > > allow...
> > > > > > > 4. Voting on a replacement member - We're
currently
> one
> > > > short, for
> > > > > > > 6
> > > > > > > months we've been unable to hold a vote because we
have
> no
> > > > idea who
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > send ballots to.
> > > > > > > 5. Then we can start sending information to everyone
> about
> > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the
> Inkscape
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > will get a chance to be involved in this discussions
> and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > inkscape
> > > > > > > Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the
> community
> > > > to work
> > > > > > > through items in confidence with our new regular
> meetings
> > > > acting as
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > backbone (and contextual location) for the
discussions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can see that we have quite the list of items to
> work
> > > > through.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I believe there may be some confusion in the
discussion
> > > > about this
> > > > > > > being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts
> as a
> > > > > > > leadership.
> > > > > > > Or about funding. This request is not about funding,
or
> > > > about how
> > > > > > > "the
> > > > > > > project" makes decisions. It's just about how
the
> committee
> > > > > > > conducts
> > > > > > > it's business and plugs back into the inkscape
> community so
> > > > we can
> > > > > > > start being effective again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono
Takamori
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Here's a poll for time gathering:
> > > > > > > > https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And here's a pad I made with a preliminary
agenda:
> > > > > > > >
https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There was some talk in the other thread about
> video/voice
> > > > or IRC.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > don't have
> > > > > > > > any opinion and want to make the meeting
accessible
> to
> > > > all who
> > > > > > > > need/want to
> > > > > > > > attend, so let me know if I should setup a video
call
> > > > link.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Pono
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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4:54 a.m.
On Jul 7 2021, at 2:45 pm, doctormo(a)gmail.com wrote:
Pono, let's do 16:00, that's noon for us here in EST.
Works for me.
This is a tentative agenda for tomorrow:
I believe that Pono is
collecting items for the agenda here:
https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
Ted
3:29 a.m.
Actually follow up:
I noticed Marc DID respond to the time poll. Although today is still
the last day where most people are available (and at UTC too)
So a new poll would be good.
Martin,
On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 12:59 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
The poll is UTC, sorry for not specifying.
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:13:50PM -0400, doctormo(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks Pono,
>
> I was hoping to have Marc be able to speak up before we started
> planning times, but this works as it'll give us a sense for when
> people
> will be available to meet.
>
> I've filled it out with the assumption these times are in EST, let
> me
> know if it's UTC or some other timezone.
>
> The goal of the request is actually to ask for the SFC's advice for
> conducting meetings, to onboard/train committee members on how to
> conduct them. Because the Inkscape project hasn't been conducting
> actual meetings, it's been doing "status updates" (horribly
> mislabeled
> everywhere) so every time committee members tried to add agenda
> items
> to discuss serious business, they would be removed as not
> appropriate
> for the type of status update process that event for intended for.
>
> Now that we know that this monthly event isn't an actual committee
> meeting. We have an opportunity to create a real, fully developed
> meeting. With a discussion agenda, voting, minutes and all the
> parts of
> a meeting that many in the project really want (and thought we had,
> until it turned out we didn't) and your help setting that up would
> be
> great.
>
> There is a dependency chain of administrative items that we need to
> work through before we get to funding though, and I don't want us
> to
> start on further items until we've fixed the first items:
>
> 1. Meetings - holding actual meetings, so people have an
> opportunity
> to talk about the administration of the project and the community
> has a
> space to bring items.
> 2. Constituency - We have no idea who is in the inkscape
> community.
> And this is devastating to our ability to act authoritatively as
> EVERYTHING is stalled waiting for the mythical "inkscape community"
> to
> agree to things. But because we don't have a handle who this
> community
> is, we have no idea if we have a quorum in any particular meeting
> or
> team, or if we're reaching people. We need meetings to have the
> practical space to work out how this will work. SFC's guidance will
> be
> critical here.
> 3. Discuss and request a change of definition of the "Inkscape
> Community" with the SFC (update to the Agreement text) to allow...
> 4. Voting on a replacement member - We're currently one short, for
> 6
> months we've been unable to hold a vote because we have no idea who
> to
> send ballots to.
> 5. Then we can start sending information to everyone about
> important
> discussions for funding. Hopefully everyone in the Inkscape
> community
> will get a chance to be involved in this discussions and the
> inkscape
> Committee can act as gentle stewards allowing the community to work
> through items in confidence with our new regular meetings acting as
> the
> backbone (and contextual location) for the discussions.
>
> You can see that we have quite the list of items to work through.
>
> I believe there may be some confusion in the discussion about this
> being a change in the way the Inkscape Committee acts as a
> leadership.
> Or about funding. This request is not about funding, or about how
> "the
> project" makes decisions. It's just about how the committee
> conducts
> it's business and plugs back into the inkscape community so we can
> start being effective again.
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
> On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 11:19 -0700, Daniel Pono Takamori wrote:
> > Here's a poll for time gathering:
> > https://framadate.org/UsFcEuWf2duojI4o
> >
> > And here's a pad I made with a preliminary agenda:
> > https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/Jg-a7AGFdHHpMVpICGf0
> >
> > There was some talk in the other thread about video/voice or IRC.
> > I
> > don't have
> > any opinion and want to make the meeting accessible to all who
> > need/want to
> > attend, so let me know if I should setup a video call link.
> >
> > -Pono
> >
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