4:31 p.m.
Hi website translators,
we're trying to make the info on the pages for guiding new contributors
more complete.
As a first step, there's a small new paragraph added. If you have
translated that page, it will need an update soon ;)
I've decided to start adding screenshots of the changes to the 'website
update' mails, to make it easy for you to spot what's new, until the
diff system for the website is working, see attachment. I had to make
the picture small because of the 40kb message limit in this list. I hope
it's still useful - if not, please complain!
Regards,
Maren
10:31 a.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
Hi everyone,
it seems our team of volunteers for the chat often gets requests in
other languages, which they cannot answer - and so we have a few users
who are unhappy because nobody helps them, and some volunteers who are
unhappy because they can't help.
To somewhat alleviate the situation, I'd like to ask you to research if
there is an (active) Inkscape support IRC channel for your language, and
send info about that to this list.
I will then adapt the chat page for your language, so people can access
a chat where people understand them, and then, I will ask you to update
the page text, so it tells people about the correct language, and also
contains a link to the English chat channel, in case they *want* to ask
in English.
Please also send a message to the list if there is *no* chat for
Inkscape in your language.
(For German, these adaptations are done)
Thank you very much for your help,
Regards,
Maren
10:46 a.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
Hi,
#inkscape-fr for french is active and has been pointed to by the french version of the
chat page for a long time.
Most people asking on IRC in something else than english ask in spanish or portuguese,
sometimes german.
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Hi everyone,
it seems our team of volunteers for the chat often gets requests in
other languages, which they cannot answer - and so we have a few users
who are unhappy because nobody helps them, and some volunteers who are
unhappy because they can't help.
To somewhat alleviate the situation, I'd like to ask you to research if
there is an (active) Inkscape support IRC channel for your language, and
send info about that to this list.
I will then adapt the chat page for your language, so people can access
a chat where people understand them, and then, I will ask you to update
the page text, so it tells people about the correct language, and also
contains a link to the English chat channel, in case they *want* to ask
in English.
Please also send a message to the list if there is *no* chat for
Inkscape in your language.
(For German, these adaptations are done)
Thank you very much for your help,
Regards,
Maren
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11:09 a.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
Am 20.05.2015 um 19:46 schrieb Marc Jeanmougin:
Hi,
#inkscape-fr for french is active and has been pointed to by the french version of the
chat page for a long time.
Most people asking on IRC in something else than english ask in spanish or portuguese,
sometimes german.
Thank you, Marc, - German should be solved now ;) - there exists an
active IRC channel.
The French page contains quite a different text than the English page
(but a good one, which seems to be tailored to replace the English pdf,
only it also seems to sum up several sections of the page), and a little
English, too.
Maybe someone can help with updating the page, and making its sections a
little more similar to the English ones, so it will be easier for other
translators who may come after us?
Regards,
Maren
5:07 a.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
I am not aware of any existing Portuguese community, or IRC channel for
that matter. At least not European Portuguese, though I must say I never
really searched for one before.
From a quick (an not very thorough) Google search I found this IRC
channel <http://irc.lc/gimp/inkscape/irctc@@@> and this website
<http://wiki.softwarelivre.org/InkscapeBrasil/> though I am not sure of
it's intentions, or user activity.
Maybe our Brazilian friends can jump in and share any Brazilian
communities they know :)
On 20-05-2015 19:09, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Am 20.05.2015 um 19:46 schrieb Marc Jeanmougin:
> Hi,
>
> #inkscape-fr for french is active and has been pointed to by the french version of
the chat page for a long time.
>
> Most people asking on IRC in something else than english ask in spanish or
portuguese, sometimes german.
>
Thank you, Marc, - German should be solved now ;) - there exists an
active IRC channel.
The French page contains quite a different text than the English page
(but a good one, which seems to be tailored to replace the English pdf,
only it also seems to sum up several sections of the page), and a little
English, too.
Maybe someone can help with updating the page, and making its sections a
little more similar to the English ones, so it will be easier for other
translators who may come after us?
Regards,
Maren
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8:39 a.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
Thank you, Duarte, for looking!
Browsing around the website you linked, I found this:
"Nos encontramos no canal |#inkscape-brasil| no servidor |freenode.net| "
I just connected to both Portuguese/Brazilian channels to test, and they
were a bit ... empty.
Maybe it's a time zone issue? Does anybody know more?
Question to the non-pt people ;-) :
Is there a Russian, Spanish, Chinese, or Japanese Inkscape IRC channel
which is active?
I will also ask this over at inkscape-user.
Thanks for helping!
Regards,
Maren
Am 21.05.2015 um 14:07 schrieb Duarte Ramos:
I am not aware of any existing Portuguese community, or IRC channel
for that matter. At least not European Portuguese, though I must say I
never really searched for one before.
From a quick (an not very thorough) Google search I found this IRC
channel <http://irc.lc/gimp/inkscape/irctc@@@> and this website
<http://wiki.softwarelivre.org/InkscapeBrasil/> though I am not sure
of it's intentions, or user activity.
Maybe our Brazilian friends can jump in and share any Brazilian
communities they know :)
10:26 a.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
Hi, Maren!
I've searched for related Russian IRC channel - 0 results found.
As things are going, Russian end-users usually use common forums (mostly in
Russian) to ask for the help. Russian developers, on the other hand,
usually know English quite well and do not hesitate to use English IRC
channels and forums (as there are far more specialists).
Localized IRC channels commonly used for discussions on big topics (for
instance, community of Ubuntu, Archlinux users).
Regards,
Egor Panfilov
2015-05-21 18:39 GMT+03:00 Maren Hachmann <maren@...325...>:
Thank you, Duarte, for looking!
Browsing around the website you linked, I found this:
"Nos encontramos no canal |#inkscape-brasil| no servidor |freenode.net| "
I just connected to both Portuguese/Brazilian channels to test, and they
were a bit ... empty.
Maybe it's a time zone issue? Does anybody know more?
Question to the non-pt people ;-) :
Is there a Russian, Spanish, Chinese, or Japanese Inkscape IRC channel
which is active?
I will also ask this over at inkscape-user.
Thanks for helping!
Regards,
Maren
10:46 a.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
Am 21.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Egor Panfilov:
Hi, Maren!
I've searched for related Russian IRC channel - 0 results found.
As things are going, Russian end-users usually use common forums
(mostly in Russian) to ask for the help. Russian developers, on the
other hand, usually know English quite well and do not hesitate to use
English IRC channels and forums (as there are far more specialists).
Localized IRC channels commonly used for discussions on big topics
(for instance, community of Ubuntu, Archlinux users).
Thank you Egor, for this good info!
Is there any Russian Inkscape forum you would like to see mentioned on
the website, beside http://paint-net.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=33
(see https://inkscape.org/en/community/)
So the Russian chat page could mention that the chat is available in
English only. It could also mention that people, if they don't like to
ask their questions in English, can visit one of the forums to get help.
Basically, this is already explained in the English text, but an
additional hint in the box at the top might be nice to help our users
find the info they need quickly. What do you think?
Regards,
Maren
Regards,
Egor Panfilov
2015-05-21 18:39 GMT+03:00 Maren Hachmann <maren@...325...
<mailto:maren@...325...>>:
Thank you, Duarte, for looking!
Browsing around the website you linked, I found this:
"Nos encontramos no canal |#inkscape-brasil| no servidor
|freenode.net <http://freenode.net>| "
I just connected to both Portuguese/Brazilian channels to test,
and they
were a bit ... empty.
Maybe it's a time zone issue? Does anybody know more?
Question to the non-pt people ;-) :
Is there a Russian, Spanish, Chinese, or Japanese Inkscape IRC channel
which is active?
I will also ask this over at inkscape-user.
Thanks for helping!
Regards,
Maren
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1:23 p.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
Maren,
I've google a lot once again. :) Seems like the URL you presented is the
most suitable and unique for Q&A among all existing sites on topic.
So, as far as we only couple of URLs and one reference to English IRC, IMO,
there is no need in info duplication.
Of course, if you want all localized versions of site to look uniform,
hint-box is an option.
Interesting fact, in a meanwhile, that there are _a lot_ of sites with
Inkscape tutorials...
Regards,
Egor Panfilov
2015-05-21 20:46 GMT+03:00 Maren Hachmann <maren@...325...>:
Am 21.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Egor Panfilov:
> Hi, Maren!
> I've searched for related Russian IRC channel - 0 results found.
> As things are going, Russian end-users usually use common forums
> (mostly in Russian) to ask for the help. Russian developers, on the
> other hand, usually know English quite well and do not hesitate to use
> English IRC channels and forums (as there are far more specialists).
> Localized IRC channels commonly used for discussions on big topics
> (for instance, community of Ubuntu, Archlinux users).
>
Thank you Egor, for this good info!
Is there any Russian Inkscape forum you would like to see mentioned on
the website, beside http://paint-net.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=33
(see https://inkscape.org/en/community/)
So the Russian chat page could mention that the chat is available in
English only. It could also mention that people, if they don't like to
ask their questions in English, can visit one of the forums to get help.
Basically, this is already explained in the English text, but an
additional hint in the box at the top might be nice to help our users
find the info they need quickly. What do you think?
Regards,
Maren
> Regards,
> Egor Panfilov
>
> 2015-05-21 18:39 GMT+03:00 Maren Hachmann <maren@...325...
> <mailto:maren@...325...>>:
>
> Thank you, Duarte, for looking!
>
> Browsing around the website you linked, I found this:
> "Nos encontramos no canal |#inkscape-brasil| no servidor
> |freenode.net <http://freenode.net>| "
>
> I just connected to both Portuguese/Brazilian channels to test,
> and they
> were a bit ... empty.
> Maybe it's a time zone issue? Does anybody know more?
>
> Question to the non-pt people ;-) :
> Is there a Russian, Spanish, Chinese, or Japanese Inkscape IRC
channel
> which is active?
>
> I will also ask this over at inkscape-user.
>
> Thanks for helping!
> Regards,
> Maren
>
>
>
>
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2:41 p.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
Hi Egor,
I've google a lot once again. :) Seems like the URL you presented is
the most suitable and unique for Q&A among all existing sites on topic.
- Thank
you for your research :) It's good to have our links checked now
and again by a native speaker to make sure they are not outdated, or
worse...
So, as far as we only couple of URLs and one reference to English
IRC,
IMO, there is no need in info duplication.
Of course, if you want all localized versions of site to look uniform,
hint-box is an option.
- I'm sorry, I don't quite understand... Can you explain a bit what you
mean? I'm not even sure which page you refer to... Chat or Community?
Interesting fact, in a meanwhile, that there are _a lot_ of sites
with
Inkscape tutorials...
- Yay - Inkscape is popular :D (I think you mean, sites in Russian,
right?) Good news!
Regards,
Maren
Regards,
Egor Panfilov
2015-05-21 20:46 GMT+03:00 Maren Hachmann <maren@...325...
<mailto:maren@...325...>>:
Am 21.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Egor Panfilov:
> Hi, Maren!
> I've searched for related Russian IRC channel - 0 results found.
> As things are going, Russian end-users usually use common forums
> (mostly in Russian) to ask for the help. Russian developers, on the
> other hand, usually know English quite well and do not hesitate
to use
> English IRC channels and forums (as there are far more specialists).
> Localized IRC channels commonly used for discussions on big topics
> (for instance, community of Ubuntu, Archlinux users).
>
Thank you Egor, for this good info!
Is there any Russian Inkscape forum you would like to see mentioned on
the website, beside http://paint-net.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=33
(see https://inkscape.org/en/community/)
So the Russian chat page could mention that the chat is available in
English only. It could also mention that people, if they don't like to
ask their questions in English, can visit one of the forums to get
help.
Basically, this is already explained in the English text, but an
additional hint in the box at the top might be nice to help our users
find the info they need quickly. What do you think?
Regards,
Maren
> Regards,
> Egor Panfilov
>
> 2015-05-21 18:39 GMT+03:00 Maren Hachmann
<maren@...325... <mailto:maren@...325...>
> <mailto:maren@...325... <mailto:maren@...325...>>>:
>
> Thank you, Duarte, for looking!
>
> Browsing around the website you linked, I found this:
> "Nos encontramos no canal |#inkscape-brasil| no servidor
> |freenode.net <http://freenode.net> <http://freenode.net>|
"
>
> I just connected to both Portuguese/Brazilian channels to test,
> and they
> were a bit ... empty.
> Maybe it's a time zone issue? Does anybody know more?
>
> Question to the non-pt people ;-) :
> Is there a Russian, Spanish, Chinese, or Japanese Inkscape
IRC channel
> which is active?
>
> I will also ask this over at inkscape-user.
>
> Thanks for helping!
> Regards,
> Maren
>
>
>
>
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2:59 p.m.
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Dear Maren,
Sorry about vague expression. :)
> So, as far as we only couple of URLs and one reference to
English IRC,
> IMO, there is no need in info duplication.
> Of course, if you want all localized versions of site to look uniform,
> hint-box is an option.
>
- I'm sorry, I don't quite understand... Can you explain a bit what you
mean? I'm not even sure which page you refer to... Chat or Community?
Sure. I'm going to leave from all links presented at this page (
https://inkscape.org/en/community/ ) only "English and Russian forums",
"IRC English channel", etc. I would say it won't be a lot of information to
read through, so
> Basically, this is already explained in the English text,
but an
> additional hint in the box at the top might be nice to help our users
> find the info they need quickly. What do you think?"
is not neccessary.
Interesting fact, in a meanwhile, that there are _a lot_ of sites
with
> Inkscape tutorials...
>
- Yay - Inkscape is popular :D (I think you mean, sites in Russian,
right?) Good news!
Yes, in Russian. Looking forward to see some brilliant vector graphics
artists from Siberia :).
Regards,
Egor Panfilov
2015-05-24 0:41 GMT+03:00 Maren Hachmann <maren@...325...>:
> Hi Egor,
> >
> > I've google a lot once again. :) Seems like the URL you presented is
> > the most suitable and unique for Q&A among all existing sites on topic.
> - Thank you for your research :) It's good to have our links checked now
> and again by a native speaker to make sure they are not outdated, or
> worse...
>
> So, as far as we only couple of URLs and one reference to
English IRC,
> IMO, there is no need in info duplication.
> Of course, if you want all localized versions of site to look uniform,
> hint-box is an option.
>
- I'm sorry, I don't quite understand... Can you explain a bit what you
mean? I'm not even sure which page you refer to... Chat or Community?
>
> Interesting fact, in a meanwhile, that there are _a lot_ of sites
with
> Inkscape tutorials...
>
- Yay - Inkscape is popular :D (I think you mean, sites in Russian,
right?) Good news!
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
> > Regards,
> > Egor Panfilov
> >
> >
> > 2015-05-21 20:46 GMT+03:00 Maren Hachmann <maren@...325...
> > <mailto:maren@...325...>>:
> >
> > Am 21.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Egor Panfilov:
> > > Hi, Maren!
> > > I've searched for related Russian IRC channel - 0 results found.
> > > As things are going, Russian end-users usually use common forums
> > > (mostly in Russian) to ask for the help. Russian developers, on the
> > > other hand, usually know English quite well and do not hesitate
> > to use
> > > English IRC channels and forums (as there are far more
> specialists).
> > > Localized IRC channels commonly used for discussions on big topics
> > > (for instance, community of Ubuntu, Archlinux users).
> > >
> > Thank you Egor, for this good info!
> > Is there any Russian Inkscape forum you would like to see mentioned
> on
> > the website, beside http://paint-net.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=33
> > (see https://inkscape.org/en/community/)
> >
> > So the Russian chat page could mention that the chat is available in
> > English only. It could also mention that people, if they don't like
> to
> > ask their questions in English, can visit one of the forums to get
> > help.
> > Basically, this is already explained in the English text, but an
> > additional hint in the box at the top might be nice to help our users
> > find the info they need quickly. What do you think?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Maren
> > > Regards,
> > > Egor Panfilov
> > >
> > > 2015-05-21 18:39 GMT+03:00 Maren Hachmann
> > <maren@...325... <mailto:maren@...325...>
> > > <mailto:maren@...325... <mailto:maren@...325...
> >>>:
> > >
> > > Thank you, Duarte, for looking!
> > >
> > > Browsing around the website you linked, I found this:
> > > "Nos encontramos no canal |#inkscape-brasil| no servidor
> > > |freenode.net <http://freenode.net>
<http://freenode.net>| "
> > >
> > > I just connected to both Portuguese/Brazilian channels to test,
> > > and they
> > > were a bit ... empty.
> > > Maybe it's a time zone issue? Does anybody know more?
> > >
> > > Question to the non-pt people ;-) :
> > > Is there a Russian, Spanish, Chinese, or Japanese Inkscape
> > IRC channel
> > > which is active?
> > >
> > > I will also ask this over at inkscape-user.
> > >
> > > Thanks for helping!
> > > Regards,
> > > Maren
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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3:30 p.m.
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Hi Egor,
mean? I'm not even sure which page you refer to... Chat or
Community?
Sure. I'm going to leave from all links presented at this page
( https://inkscape.org/en/community/ ) only "English and Russian
forums", "IRC English channel", etc. I would say it won't be a lot of
information to read through, so
- Ah, thanks :) Yes, that makes sense. I guess most
people who visit the
Russian pages won't be much interested in Brazilian forums...
> Basically, this is already explained in the English
text, but an
> additional hint in the box at the top might be nice to help
our users
> find the info they need quickly. What do you think?"
is not neccessary.
- Oh, this was referring to the Chat page. Because there is no extra irc
channel for many languages (Russian included), it would be good to
explicitly say that the Chat we offer is for English only. The people
who answer the questions on IRC don't like to be asked questions in a
language they don't speak.
> Interesting fact, in a meanwhile, that there are _a lot_ of
sites with
> Inkscape tutorials...
>
- Yay - Inkscape is popular :D (I think you mean, sites in Russian,
right?) Good news!
Yes, in Russian. Looking forward to see some brilliant vector graphics
artists from Siberia :).
- Yes, please! (your website translations actually help make it easier
for them ;) )
Regards,
Maren
12:29 p.m.
New subject: Website: Chat page
Hi everyone,
asking on Inkscape-user for more IRC channels didn't yield any new info,
unfortunately. So it seems there is no active IRC channel in Spanish or
Portuguese - which were the most 'disruptive' (lacking a better word...,
sorry!) languages, according to Marc.
Could you all make sure that there's an explicit mention of the channel
being for questions *asked in English* on your language's chat page
(unless it's German, English, or French)?
Some smaller page updates will follow soon - and a section about
animation is in the works :)
Thank you!
Kind regards,
Maren
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