Yes, I'll toss together a tutorial video of how to make a tutorial video. lol The main issue is that the screen-caster is not going to be the same for every OS, and some of them are teh ultrasuck to get working. I'll do one for Ubuntu+gnome-shell, using Blender 3D as the video compositor... or possibly just a cheap and cheerful tut in OpenShot, since it's much much easier to use for non-pro users.

For the "making of", it would be less a tutorial, and more an interview-style synopsis, I think (though I have a pretty sweet home-brew system that would look great on camera, and happens to be running Linux, for the authentic Open Source design experience). To make it a tutorial, it would wind up being a series, as there is a lot that goes into making all this stuff. :)

I like the idea of scripting the creation process to save our official video crew (and myself, eventually) some production time. I will have to put some thought into how that would work, but since all my graphics tools have Python interpreters built in, it should at least be possible. :)

Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see what everyone thinks of it. Then we can see more about the rest. :)

I'm loving all the ideas, keep em coming!

-C

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:23 PM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:

There's 106 here:

http://screencasters.heathenx.org

The ui might be out of date a bit but the concepts are still valid. On 25 Aug 2015 14:54, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

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Dear developers,

I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:

www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape

Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.

This is probably something we should put together for the website. Something coherent for users.

But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A competition? Scouting for talent?

What do you think?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Am 27.08.2015 um 18:06 schrieb C R:

Yes, I'll toss together a tutorial video of how to make a tutorial video. lol The main issue is that the screen-caster is not going to be the same for every OS, and some of them are teh ultrasuck to get working. I'll do one for Ubuntu+gnome-shell, using Blender 3D as the video compositor... or possibly just a cheap and cheerful tut in OpenShot, since it's much much easier to use for non-pro users.

I guess the screencasting is not the core thing that would be mutually (most) interesting for inkscape users, more e.g. the interaction blender <-> inkscape (if there is some with making the start sequence), e.g. getting a svg (inkscape logo) into blender, 2d -> 3d, animation etc. (if it is involved and you are not redoing everything from scratch in blender for the starting animation you described).

I find it interesting because it's a real thing and not something artificially created especially to demonstrate feature x (even if the purpose of the product is demonstrating feature x which is not bad at all, two different things and I like both).

For the "making of", it would be less a tutorial, and more an interview-style synopsis, I think (though I have a pretty sweet home-brew

That's exactly what I thought ...

system that would look great on camera, and happens to be running Linux, for the authentic Open Source design experience). To make it a tutorial, it would wind up being a series, as there is a lot that goes into making all this stuff. :)

... and here as well ;-)

I like the idea of scripting the creation process to save our official video crew (and myself, eventually) some production time. I will have to put some thought into how that would work, but since all my graphics tools have Python interpreters built in, it should at least be possible. :)

I thought more on a list "on paper" (now select the rectangle, open the colors dialog, select the fill tab etc.) to make the screencast flow. When you (read: I, maybe you are working different) do the real design, you are doing many steps to try things which are not used afterwards or not important for the tutorial. To prevent it from being boring, such a list (something like a screenplay of a movie) could be helpful. If you record the original design process, it will be easy (compared to making everything from scratch) to remove unnecessary steps and have it tight and informative with a suitable level of comprehensiveness. Of course one must state at the beginning that the original process took n times more time, but for the intended type and length of the tutorial it would be much easier to follow without the try and error steps.

Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see what everyone thinks of it. Then we can see more about the rest. :)

Despite all the discussion of the longer tutorial on short tutorial making, the short tutorials are a great by themselves as well.

I'm loving all the ideas, keep em coming!

Thanks for being that motivated and for the things you are coming up with :-)

-C

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:23 PM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:

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There's 106 here:

http://screencasters.heathenx.org

The ui might be out of date a bit but the concepts are still valid. On 25 Aug 2015 14:54, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

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Dear developers,

I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:

www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape

Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.

This is probably something we should put together for the website. Something coherent for users.

But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A competition? Scouting for talent?

What do you think?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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I did do a feature-highlight video for the paths tool in GIMP some time ago. My mistake was calling it a tutorial. It's more of a tool overview, and some commented that it was too short. Watching it again, I'd have to agree. Lol: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSQuPA2xDs

That particular tool really needed more than 60seconds and... better music. ;)

60 seconds is something to shoot for, but different tools may require more or less time.

I'd also like to end each video with a chart of the tool hotkeys and modifiers as is at the very end of this GIMP tutorial, and a link in the video description to download the chart for practice/retention. I was rushing to cram this all into 60seconds as an experiment, but that hotkey chart should have probably gotten at least 5 seconds of screen time for people to be able to realise what it is and have the opportunity to pause and try them out.

-C

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Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see what

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thinks of it. Then we can see more about the rest. :)

Despite all the discussion of the longer tutorial on short tutorial making, the short tutorials are a great by themselves as well.

Yes I recommend getting the videos down to less than a minute for simple features and 3 minutes max for more interesting things.

This adds some constraints to get to the point and restricts the tagents that can so often happen when making video with a passion for teaching others.

Thoughts on limits?

Martin,

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I think we are mainly on the same page. Unfortunately, the process of getting the Inkscape logo into Blender is non-trivial. One can import vector curves, but to be usable in the way I'm using it for this animation... Would be largely a Blender tutorial, not really an Inkscape tutorial. I'm not even convinced that the way I'm doing it is a good way to do it. Lol.

At any rate, it's probably sufficient to show some in-progress shots with Inkscape being used to pique interest, to show that you can use Inkscape with Blender in a professional capacity. Blender is several orders of magnitude more complex than Inkscape is to make professional use of, however, and I also don't want to frighten people away with complexity, especially when some of the tools in Blender are presently getting massively overhauled to make it much easier to use for more streamlined production work.

I am also not an expert in using Blender. I know how to use it for product design, and relatively simple animations, but I know enough to know how much I don't know; how much I have yet to learn. The well is very deep. Blender is not one program, it is an entire production line of what would normally be 4-5 different programs by different companies, rolled into one. There is nothing else like Blender, but the drawback is it has a learning curve more or less equivalent to all the those programs as a result.

I do fortunately know enough to make the animation I have proposed however, so there's that. :)

Once the intro animation is rendered into video there will be little need to show people how to make it, because it can be re used, as is, in any video editor, with no need to reconstruct it. In the spirit of the project, I will make my animation files available so that people can improve the intro as needed.

Something more useful for novices, might be showing how to use Inkscape to make caption templates for video. Since this is not editor specific, it may also appeal to a larger audience and will be more insta-useful. :) Am 27.08.2015 um 18:06 schrieb C R:

Yes, I'll toss together a tutorial video of how to make a tutorial video. lol The main issue is that the screen-caster is not going to be the same for every OS, and some of them are teh ultrasuck to get working. I'll do one for Ubuntu+gnome-shell, using Blender 3D as the video compositor... or possibly just a cheap and cheerful tut in OpenShot, since it's much much easier to use for non-pro users.

I guess the screencasting is not the core thing that would be mutually (most) interesting for inkscape users, more e.g. the interaction blender <-> inkscape (if there is some with making the start sequence), e.g. getting a svg (inkscape logo) into blender, 2d -> 3d, animation etc. (if it is involved and you are not redoing everything from scratch in blender for the starting animation you described).

I find it interesting because it's a real thing and not something artificially created especially to demonstrate feature x (even if the purpose of the product is demonstrating feature x which is not bad at all, two different things and I like both).

For the "making of", it would be less a tutorial, and more an interview-style synopsis, I think (though I have a pretty sweet home-brew

That's exactly what I thought ...

system that would look great on camera, and happens to be running Linux, for the authentic Open Source design experience). To make it a tutorial, it would wind up being a series, as there is a lot that goes into making all this stuff. :)

... and here as well ;-)

I like the idea of scripting the creation process to save our official video crew (and myself, eventually) some production time. I will have to put some thought into how that would work, but since all my graphics tools have Python interpreters built in, it should at least be possible. :)

I thought more on a list "on paper" (now select the rectangle, open the colors dialog, select the fill tab etc.) to make the screencast flow. When you (read: I, maybe you are working different) do the real design, you are doing many steps to try things which are not used afterwards or not important for the tutorial. To prevent it from being boring, such a list (something like a screenplay of a movie) could be helpful. If you record the original design process, it will be easy (compared to making everything from scratch) to remove unnecessary steps and have it tight and informative with a suitable level of comprehensiveness. Of course one must state at the beginning that the original process took n times more time, but for the intended type and length of the tutorial it would be much easier to follow without the try and error steps.

Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see what everyone thinks of it. Then we can see more about the rest. :)

Despite all the discussion of the longer tutorial on short tutorial making, the short tutorials are a great by themselves as well.

I'm loving all the ideas, keep em coming!

Thanks for being that motivated and for the things you are coming up with :-)

-C

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:23 PM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:

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There's 106 here:

http://screencasters.heathenx.org

The ui might be out of date a bit but the concepts are still valid. On 25 Aug 2015 14:54, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

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Dear developers,

I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:

www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape

Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.

This is probably something we should put together for the website. Something coherent for users.

But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A competition? Scouting for talent?

What do you think?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people are ready to do this!

This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're not late either, it's early times still. :)

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(sorry, kind of long)

Also never a problem. More information is better! Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!

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I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to provide). http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php

Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be quite useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of information content and possible linking from the finished documentation (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be good to have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, one to a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of excellent community-done resources.

For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter of preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is no bad thing.

Official videos have manifold purpose:

-They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to google for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent learning in a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list of several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of repeating concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a lot of gap-filling as well.

-They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the professional image of the project, and is important for trust and provides a nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I reached these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users can spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think about their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly hundreds of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on the spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)

-They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms that our open source community faces is that information is scatter-shot, and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to the original content, or the content may only be available in some countries. Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.

-They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is important not only for development purposes, but also for social media campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics conventions, etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)

-It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource for serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must for a project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, the more eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well with each video, gaining the project more exposure.

-It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator, you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D

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So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not ventured outside of DA, in their search?

Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the problems with video content is if you are looking for something very specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, hoping they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more easily with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down and feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a feature is named).

For example, a piece of the tree could go:

+Tools -Select and Transform Tool -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool +Tweak Objects Tool - Tool Overview - Using Different Modes - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want + FAQ / Troubleshooting - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob? - It's only working on some objects, but not others - etc. -Zoom Tool -Measurement Tool -Rectangle/Square Tool -etc. -Working with Shapes -Working with Layers -Working with Groups -Selecting -Filters -Exporting +Using Colours -What is a colour space? -What is a colour system? +FAQ / Troubleshooting -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh! -My greens are looking too Blue in print -My blacks are too grey in print +What should I use for my project? +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours? -Pre-Press Considerations -etc. etc.

Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to include all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have to visit different sections of the website to find the information they are after.

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Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official" tutorials. There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team, and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more time.....I don't remember the exact details anymore).

I would be happy to assist the Documentation team. I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved previously do not presently have the time.

I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently

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available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with music background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found was helpful, in my opinion.

There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather than voiced over. There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd like to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)

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(You may notice there are probably less than 5 YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many worthwhile, that aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)

Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.

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Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are still the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials. Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, more than text. It's just trendy, afaict.

For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos, we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, and none of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)

That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the

bouncing

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bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials. Has anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)

I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit (which includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be easier to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and captioning). It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are the ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the tutorial content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial steps is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on feedback.

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Thanks for listening, brynn

Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.

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Very beautiful and original!

El lun, 31-08-2015 a las 22:21 +0100, C R escribió:

Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) ) I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute. I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but ran out of time tonight. However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:

www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wi p.ogv

The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will be scribbled in underneath it as last additions.

Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a pleasant one. :)

More soon.

-C

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PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation -software#/story

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people are ready to do this!

This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're not late either, it's early times still. :)

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(sorry, kind of long)

Also never a problem. More information is better! Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!

...

I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to provide). http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php

Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be quite useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of information content and possible linking from the finished documentation (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be good to have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, one to a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of excellent community-done resources.

For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter of preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is no bad thing.

Official videos have manifold purpose:

-They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to google for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent learning in a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list of several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of repeating concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a lot of gap-filling as well.

-They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the professional image of the project, and is important for trust and provides a nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I reached these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users can spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think about their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly hundreds of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on the spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)

-They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms that our open source community faces is that information is scatter-shot, and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to the original content, or the content may only be available in some countries. Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.

-They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is important not only for development purposes, but also for social media campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics conventions, etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)

-It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource for serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must for a project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, the more eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well with each video, gaining the project more exposure.

-It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator, you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D

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So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not ventured outside of DA, in their search?

Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the problems with video content is if you are looking for something very specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, hoping they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more easily with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down and feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a feature is named).

For example, a piece of the tree could go:

+Tools -Select and Transform Tool -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool +Tweak Objects Tool - Tool Overview - Using Different Modes - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want + FAQ / Troubleshooting - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob? - It's only working on some objects, but not others - etc. -Zoom Tool -Measurement Tool -Rectangle/Square Tool -etc. -Working with Shapes -Working with Layers -Working with Groups -Selecting -Filters -Exporting +Using Colours -What is a colour space? -What is a colour system? +FAQ / Troubleshooting -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh! -My greens are looking too Blue in print -My blacks are too grey in print +What should I use for my project? +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours? -Pre-Press Considerations -etc. etc.

Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to include all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have to visit different sections of the website to find the information they are after.

...

Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official" tutorials. There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team, and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more time.....I don't remember the exact details anymore).

I would be happy to assist the Documentation team. I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved previously do not presently have the time.

I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently

...

available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with music background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found was helpful, in my opinion.

There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather than voiced over. There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd like to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)

...

(You may notice there are probably less than 5 YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many worthwhile, that aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)

Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.

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Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are still the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials. Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, more than text. It's just trendy, afaict.

For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos, we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, and none of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)

That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials 

(the bouncing

...

bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials. Has anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)

I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit (which includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be easier to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen -captures, and captioning). It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are the ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the tutorial content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial steps is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on feedback.

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Thanks for listening, brynn

Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.

-C

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Thanks! And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing "Draw Freely".

This leaves me with some options:

1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is the one accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for this? I could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.

2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like to do it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.

3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff, and if there isn't, start one. :)

Any thoughts?

Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted to raid Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.

-C On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote:

Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description), but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about screen should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to seeing the next iteration!

Cheers, Josh

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) ) I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute. I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but ran out of time tonight. However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:

www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv

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The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will be scribbled in underneath it as last additions.

Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a pleasant one. :)

More soon.

-C

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story

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On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people are ready to do this!

This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're not late either, it's early times still. :)

...

(sorry, kind of long)

Also never a problem. More information is better! Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!

...

I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to provide). http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php

Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be

quite

...

...

...

useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of information content and possible linking from the finished

documentation

...

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...

(pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be

good to

...

...

...

have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website,

one to

...

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a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of

excellent

...

...

...

community-done resources.

For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter

of

...

...

...

preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is

no bad

...

...

...

thing.

Official videos have manifold purpose:

-They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to

google

...

...

...

for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent

learning in

...

...

...

a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list

of

...

...

...

several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of

repeating

...

...

...

concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a

lot of

...

...

...

gap-filling as well.

-They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the professional image of the project, and is important for trust and

provides a

...

...

...

nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I

reached

...

...

...

these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users

can

...

...

...

spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think

about

...

...

...

their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly

hundreds

...

...

...

of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on

the

...

...

...

spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)

-They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms that our open source community faces is that information is

scatter-shot,

...

...

...

and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to

the

...

...

...

original content, or the content may only be available in some

countries.

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Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.

-They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is important not only for development purposes, but also for social media campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics

conventions,

...

...

...

etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)

-It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource

for

...

...

...

serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must

for a

...

...

...

project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are,

the more

...

...

...

eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well

with

...

...

...

each video, gaining the project more exposure.

-It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease

the

...

...

...

transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator, you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D

...

So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not ventured outside of DA, in their search?

Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the problems with video content is if you are looking for something very specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials,

hoping

...

...

...

they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more

easily

...

...

...

with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down

and

...

...

...

feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a

feature

...

...

...

is named).

For example, a piece of the tree could go:

+Tools -Select and Transform Tool -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool +Tweak Objects Tool - Tool Overview - Using Different Modes - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want + FAQ / Troubleshooting - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob? - It's only working on some objects, but not others - etc. -Zoom Tool -Measurement Tool -Rectangle/Square Tool -etc. -Working with Shapes -Working with Layers -Working with Groups -Selecting -Filters -Exporting +Using Colours -What is a colour space? -What is a colour system? +FAQ / Troubleshooting -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh! -My greens are looking too Blue in print -My blacks are too grey in print +What should I use for my project? +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours? -Pre-Press Considerations -etc. etc.

Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to

include

...

...

...

all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have

to

...

...

...

visit different sections of the website to find the information they

are

...

...

...

after.

...

Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official" tutorials. There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team, and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more time.....I don't remember the exact details anymore).

I would be happy to assist the Documentation team. I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved

previously

...

...

...

do not presently have the time.

...

I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so

currently

...

...

...

...

available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with music background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found was helpful, in my opinion.

There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather than voiced over. There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd

like

...

...

...

to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)

...

(You may notice there are probably less than 5 YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many

worthwhile,

...

...

...

...

that aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)

Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.

...

Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are still the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is

some

...

...

...

...

consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials. Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, more than text. It's just trendy, afaict.

For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos, we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter,

and none

...

...

...

of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)

That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the

bouncing

...

bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials. Has anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)

I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit

(which

...

...

...

includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be

easier

...

...

...

to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and captioning). It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are

the

...

...

...

ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the

tutorial

...

...

...

content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial

steps

...

...

...

is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on

feedback.

...

...

...

...

Thanks for listening, brynn

Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.

-C

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Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used (which you're already doing).

I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin font that was used for Draw Freely. http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.

Cheers, Josh

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

Thanks! And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing "Draw Freely".

This leaves me with some options:

1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is the one

accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for this? I could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.

2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like to do

it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.

3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff, and

if there isn't, start one. :)

Any thoughts?

Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted to raid Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.

-C

On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote:

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Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description), but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about screen should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to seeing the next iteration!

Cheers, Josh

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) ) I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute. I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but ran out of time tonight. However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:

www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv

The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will be scribbled in underneath it as last additions.

Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a pleasant one. :)

More soon.

-C

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

...

PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people are ready to do this!

This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're not late either, it's early times still. :)

...

(sorry, kind of long)

Also never a problem. More information is better! Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!

...

I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to provide). http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php

Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be quite useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of information content and possible linking from the finished documentation (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be good to have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, one to a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of excellent community-done resources.

For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter of preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is no bad thing.

Official videos have manifold purpose:

-They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to google for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent learning in a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list of several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of repeating concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a lot of gap-filling as well.

-They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the professional image of the project, and is important for trust and provides a nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I reached these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users can spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think about their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly hundreds of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on the spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)

-They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms that our open source community faces is that information is scatter-shot, and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to the original content, or the content may only be available in some countries. Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.

-They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is important not only for development purposes, but also for social media campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics conventions, etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)

-It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource for serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must for a project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, the more eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well with each video, gaining the project more exposure.

-It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator, you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D

...

So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not ventured outside of DA, in their search?

Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the problems with video content is if you are looking for something very specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, hoping they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more easily with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down and feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a feature is named).

For example, a piece of the tree could go:

+Tools -Select and Transform Tool -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool +Tweak Objects Tool - Tool Overview - Using Different Modes - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want + FAQ / Troubleshooting - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob? - It's only working on some objects, but not others - etc. -Zoom Tool -Measurement Tool -Rectangle/Square Tool -etc. -Working with Shapes -Working with Layers -Working with Groups -Selecting -Filters -Exporting +Using Colours -What is a colour space? -What is a colour system? +FAQ / Troubleshooting -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh! -My greens are looking too Blue in print -My blacks are too grey in print +What should I use for my project? +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours? -Pre-Press Considerations -etc. etc.

Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to include all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have to visit different sections of the website to find the information they are after.

...

Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official" tutorials. There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team, and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more time.....I don't remember the exact details anymore).

I would be happy to assist the Documentation team. I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved previously do not presently have the time.

...

I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with music background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found was helpful, in my opinion.

There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather than voiced over. There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd like to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)

...

(You may notice there are probably less than 5 YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many worthwhile, that aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)

Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.

...

Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are still the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials. Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, more than text. It's just trendy, afaict.

For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos, we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, and none of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)

That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the

bouncing

...

bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials. Has anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)

I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit (which includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be easier to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and captioning). It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are the ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the tutorial content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial steps is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on feedback.

...

Thanks for listening, brynn

Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.

-C

...

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For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font library, you view/download it here: https://www.google.com/fonts

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver. I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials, imho should be libre so people are free and protected against other people suing them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of excellent scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the closest matches and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a reason for really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for branding I can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.

-C

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:

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Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used (which you're already doing).

I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin font that was used for Draw Freely. http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.

Cheers, Josh

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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Thanks! And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing "Draw Freely".

This leaves me with some options:

1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is the

one

...

accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for

this? I

...

could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.

2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like to

do

...

it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.

3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff,

and

...

if there isn't, start one. :)

Any thoughts?

Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted to

raid

...

Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.

-C

On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote:

...

Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description), but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about screen should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to seeing the next iteration!

Cheers, Josh

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

...

Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) ) I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with

some

...

...

...

emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute. I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but ran out of time tonight. However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:

www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv

...

...

...

The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will

be

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scribbled in underneath it as last additions.

Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been

a

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pleasant one. :)

More soon.

-C

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story

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On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >> >> >> >> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like >> people >> are >> ready to do this! > > > This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. > You're > not late either, it's early times still. :) > >> >> (sorry, kind of long) >> > > Also never a problem. More information is better! > Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise! > >> >> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the

Inkscape

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>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching

for

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>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials,

for

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>> the >> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to >> provide). >> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php >> > > Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these > resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be > quite > useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in

terms

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> of > information content and possible linking from the finished > documentation > (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be > good to > have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org

website,

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> one to > a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of > excellent > community-done resources. > > For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small

official

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> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a

matter

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...

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> of > preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my > own > preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available

is

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> no bad > thing. > > Official videos have manifold purpose: > > -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can

include

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...

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> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to > google > for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent > learning in > a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a

list

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> of > several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of > repeating > concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be

be a

...

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> lot of > gap-filling as well. > > -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the > professional image of the project, and is important for trust and > provides a > nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times

people

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> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I > reached > these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it?

Users

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> can > spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users

think

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> about > their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly > hundreds > of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer,

on

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> the > spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :) > > -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the > criticisms > that our open source community faces is that information is > scatter-shot, > and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken

to

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> the > original content, or the content may only be available in some > countries. > Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most

people.

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> > -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This

is

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> important not only for development purposes, but also for social

media

...

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> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics > conventions, > etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So > thanks > again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!) > > -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional

resource

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> for > serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must > for a > project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more > advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, > the more > eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well > with > each video, gaining the project more exposure. > > -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for > professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and

ease

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...

> the > transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like > Illustrator, > you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D > > >> >> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find >> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. >> Nothing >> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have

not

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>> ventured outside of DA, in their search? > > > Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of

the

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> problems with video content is if you are looking for something

very

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> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, > hoping > they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more > easily > with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords.

The

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> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search

these

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> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also

recommend an

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> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click

down

...

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> and > feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a > feature > is named). > > > For example, a piece of the tree could go: > > +Tools > -Select and Transform Tool > -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool > +Tweak Objects Tool > - Tool Overview > - Using Different Modes > - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want > + FAQ / Troubleshooting > - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob? > - It's only working on some objects, but not others > - etc. > -Zoom Tool > -Measurement Tool > -Rectangle/Square Tool > -etc. > -Working with Shapes > -Working with Layers > -Working with Groups > -Selecting > -Filters > -Exporting > +Using Colours > -What is a colour space? > -What is a colour system? > +FAQ / Troubleshooting > -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh! > -My greens are looking too Blue in print > -My blacks are too grey in print > +What should I use for my project? > +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours? > -Pre-Press Considerations > -etc. etc. > > > Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others

could

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> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important

to

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> include > all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not

have

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> to > visit different sections of the website to find the information

they

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> are > after. > >> >> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official" >> tutorials. >> There was some talk a few months ago about building a

Documentation

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>> team, >> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a

group

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>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more >> time.....I >> don't remember the exact details anymore). > > > > I would be happy to assist the Documentation team. > I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved > previously > do not presently have the time. > >> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so >> currently >> available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials >> with >> music >> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that

I

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>> found >> was helpful, in my opinion. > > > There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step,

rather

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> than voiced over. > There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd > like > to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm

not

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> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :) > >> >> (You may notice there are probably less than 5 >> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many >> worthwhile, >> that >> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.) > > > Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them

ourselves.

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> >> >> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series

are

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>> still >> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat >> dated). >> I >> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there

is

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>> some >> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text

tutorials.

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>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video

tutorials,

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>> more >> than text. It's just trendy, afaict. > > > For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation > videos, > we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, > and none > of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :) > > That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the > bouncing >> >> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making >> tutorials. >> Has >> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? >> (I >> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.) > > > I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit > (which > includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be > easier > to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures,

and

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> captioning). > It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates

are

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> the > ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the > tutorial > content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these

initial

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> steps > is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional > looking > videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample > completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on > feedback. > >> >> Thanks for listening, >> brynn > > > Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously. > > -C > > >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM >> To: "Inkscape Devel List" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials) >> >> > >> > >> >

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Actually, now that I've uploaded it, I'm not actually to keen on the shape of it. Think I'll make it symmetrical, and use the curve just to indicate movement. It just looks strange sitting there motionless, with the curve in it like that. :P

Ah well. Tomorrow's another day.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:31 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

Had to help save a baby squirrel tonight, but did manage to make some progress despite the time-sink. Based on the feedback, here are some changes to the animation (no sound just yet though).

http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wi...

Enjoy.

-C

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:59 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font library, you view/download it here: https://www.google.com/fonts

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver. I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials, imho should be libre so people are free and protected against other people suing them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of excellent scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the closest matches and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a reason for really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for branding I can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.

-C

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:

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Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used (which you're already doing).

I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin font that was used for Draw Freely. http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.

Cheers, Josh

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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Thanks! And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for

writing

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"Draw Freely".

This leaves me with some options:

1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is

the one

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accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for

this? I

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could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.

2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like

to do

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it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.

3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding

stuff, and

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if there isn't, start one. :)

Any thoughts?

Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted

to raid

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Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.

-C

On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote:

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Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description), but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about screen should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to seeing the next iteration!

Cheers, Josh

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) ) > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down

with some

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> emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute. > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself,

but

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> ran > out of time tonight. > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night

amusement:

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> > >

www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv

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> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely"

will be

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> scribbled in underneath it as last additions. > > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has

been a

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> pleasant one. :) > > More soon. > > -C > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love!

:)

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>> >>

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story

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>> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like >>>> people >>>> are >>>> ready to do this! >>> >>> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. >>> You're >>> not late either, it's early times still. :) >>> >>>> >>>> (sorry, kind of long) >>>> >>> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better! >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise! >>> >>>> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the

Inkscape

...

...

>>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive

searching for

...

...

>>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of

tutorials, for

...

...

>>>> the >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted

to

...

...

>>>> provide). >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting

these

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>>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will

be

...

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>>> quite >>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in

terms

...

...

>>> of >>> information content and possible linking from the finished >>> documentation >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also

be

...

...

>>> good to >>> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org

website,

...

...

>>> one to >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of >>> excellent >>> community-done resources. >>> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small

official

...

...

>>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a

matter

...

...

>>> of >>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even

my

...

...

>>> own >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both

available is

...

...

>>> no bad >>> thing. >>> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose: >>> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can

include

...

...

>>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having

to

...

...

>>> google >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent >>> learning in >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even

a list

...

...

>>> of >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of >>> repeating >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be

be a

...

...

>>> lot of >>> gap-filling as well. >>> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the >>> professional image of the project, and is important for trust and >>> provides a >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times

people

...

...

>>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though

I

...

...

>>> reached >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it?

Users

...

...

>>> can >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users

think

...

...

>>> about >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly >>> hundreds >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an

answer, on

...

...

>>> the >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :) >>> >>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the >>> criticisms >>> that our open source community faces is that information is >>> scatter-shot, >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be

broken to

...

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>>> the >>> original content, or the content may only be available in some >>> countries. >>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most

people.

...

...

>>> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users.

This is

...

...

>>> important not only for development purposes, but also for social

media

...

...

>>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics >>> conventions, >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So >>> thanks >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!) >>> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional

resource

...

...

>>> for >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a

must

...

...

>>> for a >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there

are,

...

...

>>> the more >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as

well

...

...

>>> with >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure. >>> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and

ease

...

...

>>> the >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like >>> Illustrator, >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D >>> >>> >>>> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to

find

...

...

>>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. >>>> Nothing >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just

have not

...

...

>>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search? >>> >>> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of

the

...

...

>>> problems with video content is if you are looking for something

very

...

...

>>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete

tutorials,

...

...

>>> hoping >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved

more

...

...

>>> easily >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant

keywords. The

...

...

>>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search

these

...

...

>>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also

recommend an

...

...

>>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click

down

...

...

>>> and >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know

what a

...

...

>>> feature >>> is named). >>> >>> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go: >>> >>> +Tools >>> -Select and Transform Tool >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool >>> +Tweak Objects Tool >>> - Tool Overview >>> - Using Different Modes >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob? >>> - It's only working on some objects, but not others >>> - etc. >>> -Zoom Tool >>> -Measurement Tool >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool >>> -etc. >>> -Working with Shapes >>> -Working with Layers >>> -Working with Groups >>> -Selecting >>> -Filters >>> -Exporting >>> +Using Colours >>> -What is a colour space? >>> -What is a colour system? >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh! >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print >>> -My blacks are too grey in print >>> +What should I use for my project? >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours? >>> -Pre-Press Considerations >>> -etc. etc. >>> >>> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others

could

...

...

>>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's

important to

...

...

>>> include >>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not

have

...

...

>>> to >>> visit different sections of the website to find the information

they

...

...

>>> are >>> after. >>> >>>> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are

"official"

...

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>>>> tutorials. >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a

Documentation

...

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>>>> team, >>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a

group

...

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>>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had

more

...

...

>>>> time.....I >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore). >>> >>> >>> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team. >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved >>> previously >>> do not presently have the time. >>> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so >>>> currently >>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video

tutorials

...

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>>>> with >>>> music >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video

that I

...

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>>>> found >>>> was helpful, in my opinion. >>> >>> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step,

rather

...

...

>>> than voiced over. >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but

I'd

...

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>>> like >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and

I'm not

...

...

>>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :) >>> >>>> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5 >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many >>>> worthwhile, >>>> that >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.) >>> >>> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them

ourselves.

...

...

>>> >>>> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series

are

...

...

>>>> still >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat >>>> dated). >>>> I >>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if

there is

...

...

>>>> some >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text

tutorials.

...

...

>>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video

tutorials,

...

...

>>>> more >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict. >>> >>> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation >>> videos, >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less

banter,

...

...

>>> and none >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :) >>> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials

(the

...

...

>>> bouncing >>>> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making >>>> tutorials. >>>> Has >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the

videos?

...

...

>>>> (I >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.) >>> >>> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit >>> (which >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will

be

...

...

>>> easier >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts

(screen-captures, and

...

...

>>> captioning). >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and

templates are

...

...

>>> the >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the >>> tutorial >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these

initial

...

...

>>> steps >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional >>> looking >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial

sample

...

...

>>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based

on

...

...

>>> feedback. >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for listening, >>>> brynn >>> >>> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously. >>> >>> -C >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List" <inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

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>>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials) >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >

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Okay, so I was looking through Google's collection of free open fonts, and picking out the ones that are had-written and/or script-like. You know how many fonts are usually on your system? Like after you install Photoshop, or some design package? Well Google fonts has THAT MANY fonts that are JUST scripty/hand-written. lol Here's a quick sample:

http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/draw_freely_sample.png

I learned three things: 1. Google's collection of fonts is truly awesome, and should be downloaded by everyone. 2. Inkscape becomes dog-slow when displaying "draw freely" in a hundred or so different fonts. I don't know if that's a bug, or a fact of life. :) 3.This is going to be a hard decision, and I think it should involve more than just me.

Therefore I've started writing some code that will place the inkscape logo above the text "draw-freely" such that the visitor can switch through all of these fonts without needing to download and install all of them (I will need to add some code to display the fonts in approriate size for the graphic, since they vary somewhat dramatically in what they consider to be 12pt font). We can then take votes from people still interested in this after listening to me rattle on for days about it. :)

Thoughts? -C

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:56 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

There, that's a bit better:

http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wi...

Time to add the sound and text!

-C

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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Actually, now that I've uploaded it, I'm not actually to keen on the shape of it. Think I'll make it symmetrical, and use the curve just to indicate movement. It just looks strange sitting there motionless, with the curve in it like that. :P

Ah well. Tomorrow's another day.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:31 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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Had to help save a baby squirrel tonight, but did manage to make some progress despite the time-sink. Based on the feedback, here are some changes to the animation (no sound just yet though).

http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wi...

Enjoy.

-C

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:59 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font library, you view/download it here: https://www.google.com/fonts

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver. I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials, imho should be libre so people are free and protected against other people suing them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of excellent scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the closest matches and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a reason for really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for branding I can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.

-C

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:

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Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used (which you're already doing).

I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin font that was used for Draw Freely. http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.

Cheers, Josh

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: > Thanks! > And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing > "Draw Freely". > > This leaves me with some options: > > 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is the one > accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for this? I > could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work. > > 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like to do > it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure > sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being. > > 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff, and > if there isn't, start one. :) > > Any thoughts? > > Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted to raid > Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative. > > -C > > On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote: >> >> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description), >> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about screen >> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to >> seeing the next iteration! >> >> Cheers, >> Josh >> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) ) >> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some >> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute. >> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but >> > ran >> > out of time tonight. >> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement: >> > >> > >> > www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv >> > >> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will be >> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions. >> > >> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a >> > pleasant one. :) >> > >> > More soon. >> > >> > -C >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >> >> >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source >> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :) >> >> >> >> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like >> >>>> people >> >>>> are >> >>>> ready to do this! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. >> >>> You're >> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :) >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> (sorry, kind of long) >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better! >> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise! >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape >> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for >> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for >> >>>> the >> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to >> >>>> provide). >> >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these >> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be >> >>> quite >> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms >> >>> of >> >>> information content and possible linking from the finished >> >>> documentation >> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be >> >>> good to >> >>> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, >> >>> one to >> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of >> >>> excellent >> >>> community-done resources. >> >>> >> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official >> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter >> >>> of >> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my >> >>> own >> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is >> >>> no bad >> >>> thing. >> >>> >> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose: >> >>> >> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include >> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to >> >>> google >> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent >> >>> learning in >> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list >> >>> of >> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of >> >>> repeating >> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a >> >>> lot of >> >>> gap-filling as well. >> >>> >> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the >> >>> professional image of the project, and is important for trust and >> >>> provides a >> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people >> >>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I >> >>> reached >> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users >> >>> can >> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think >> >>> about >> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly >> >>> hundreds >> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on >> >>> the >> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :) >> >>> >> >>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the >> >>> criticisms >> >>> that our open source community faces is that information is >> >>> scatter-shot, >> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to >> >>> the >> >>> original content, or the content may only be available in some >> >>> countries. >> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people. >> >>> >> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is >> >>> important not only for development purposes, but also for social media >> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics >> >>> conventions, >> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So >> >>> thanks >> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!) >> >>> >> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource >> >>> for >> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must >> >>> for a >> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more >> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, >> >>> the more >> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well >> >>> with >> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure. >> >>> >> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for >> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease >> >>> the >> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like >> >>> Illustrator, >> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find >> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. >> >>>> Nothing >> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not >> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the >> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking for something very >> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, >> >>> hoping >> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more >> >>> easily >> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The >> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these >> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an >> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down >> >>> and >> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a >> >>> feature >> >>> is named). >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go: >> >>> >> >>> +Tools >> >>> -Select and Transform Tool >> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool >> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool >> >>> - Tool Overview >> >>> - Using Different Modes >> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want >> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting >> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob? >> >>> - It's only working on some objects, but not others >> >>> - etc. >> >>> -Zoom Tool >> >>> -Measurement Tool >> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool >> >>> -etc. >> >>> -Working with Shapes >> >>> -Working with Layers >> >>> -Working with Groups >> >>> -Selecting >> >>> -Filters >> >>> -Exporting >> >>> +Using Colours >> >>> -What is a colour space? >> >>> -What is a colour system? >> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting >> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh! >> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print >> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print >> >>> +What should I use for my project? >> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours? >> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations >> >>> -etc. etc. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could >> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to >> >>> include >> >>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have >> >>> to >> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the information they >> >>> are >> >>> after. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official" >> >>>> tutorials. >> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation >> >>>> team, >> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group >> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more >> >>>> time.....I >> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore). >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team. >> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved >> >>> previously >> >>> do not presently have the time. >> >>> >> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so >> >>>> currently >> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials >> >>>> with >> >>>> music >> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I >> >>>> found >> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather >> >>> than voiced over. >> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd >> >>> like >> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not >> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :) >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5 >> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many >> >>>> worthwhile, >> >>>> that >> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are >> >>>> still >> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat >> >>>> dated). >> >>>> I >> >>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is >> >>>> some >> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials. >> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, >> >>>> more >> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation >> >>> videos, >> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, >> >>> and none >> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :) >> >>> >> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the >> >>> bouncing >> >>>> >> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making >> >>>> tutorials. >> >>>> Has >> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? >> >>>> (I >> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit >> >>> (which >> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be >> >>> easier >> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and >> >>> captioning). >> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are >> >>> the >> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the >> >>> tutorial >> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial >> >>> steps >> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional >> >>> looking >> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample >> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on >> >>> feedback. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks for listening, >> >>>> brynn >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously. >> >>> >> >>> -C >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM >> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List" < inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials) >> >>>> >> >>>> > >> >>>> >

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Yea, my thoughts exactly about using the font on the website as well. I do rather like "Draw Freely" though, to be honest, I do far more layout and construction of shapes than drawing. Likewise, I always wondered about "Illustrator" as the name of Adobe's Inkscape alternative. Illustration is the least of what goes on in Illustrator, ihmo. Something more accurate might be "Design Free", though it doesn't have the playful nature of "Draw". So I recommend sticking with Draw Freely. Drawing is something everyone is familiar with, so there's a tactile connection that transcends the technical nature of software. It's a statement as much about the UX of Inkscape as it is about the freedom of creation, and the freedom of Inkscape as FOSS software. On 3 Sep 2015 11:18 pm, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

Hi CR,

There's also a further consideration when it comes to the trademarks. I've just checked the policy https://inkscape.org/en/about/trademark-policy/ and it doesn't specify fonts for the slogan so we should be good to pick one.

If we use a google font, we can probably use it on the website too.

Martin,

On Thu, 2015-09-03 at 22:38 +0100, C R wrote:

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Therefore I've started writing some code that will place the inkscape logo above the text "draw-freely" such that the visitor can switch through all of these fonts without needing to download and install all of them (I will need to add some code to display the fonts in approriate size for the graphic, since they vary somewhat dramatically in what they consider to be 12pt font). We can then take votes from people still interested in this after listening to me rattle on for days about it. :)

On Fri, 2015-09-04 at 07:32 +0100, C R wrote:

Yea, my thoughts exactly about using the font on the website as well. I do rather like "Draw Freely" though, to be honest, I do far more layout and construction of shapes than drawing. Likewise, I always wondered about "Illustrator" as the name of Adobe's Inkscape alternative. Illustration is the least of what goes on in Illustrator, ihmo. Something more accurate might be "Design Free", though it doesn't have the playful nature of "Draw". So I recommend sticking with Draw Freely. Drawing is something everyone is familiar with, so there's a tactile connection that transcends the technical nature of software. It's a statement as much about the UX of Inkscape as it is about the freedom of creation, and the freedom of Inkscape as FOSS software.

There's more than one definition of 'draw' ;-) e.g. draw out, draw in, draw up, draw breath, draw your guns, draw a card, draw the game.

So in Inkscape you're free to do any of those :-D

Martin,

On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:

True. Though when I use a circle object to cut out a piece of a square, or other Boolean operation, import artwork from gimp, and add text, these things are not so much "Drawing" in my mind. ;)

Drawing up plans :-P

Do you need any help with the audio sound effects for the tutorial intro and outro?

Martin,

Don't get me wrong though, one can definitely draw in Inkscape. I did this illustration a few years ago in Inkscape. This is what I would consider "Drawing": http://opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/emmawolf.png

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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"Drawing up plans :-P"

Yea, still doesn't seem like drawing to me... oh well. ;)

Probably got the audio handled. I'm recording the sound effects myself with my h4n field recorder mic (very high quality sound), and then editing with audacity. I have most of them, I just need to finish the "Draw Freely" sample page so we can vote on the font used for "Draw Freely". that's almost done too, but my work has overlapped the weekend for a trade show in Birmingham (spent most of the day driving, and then setting up), so it's been difficult to make as much progress as I'd have likes to. A little more gets done every day though. Oh, by the way, all our display graphics I did in Inkscape, as well as the packaging, etc. etc. So our success here at the convention is also yours! :)

Thanks for the offer to help. If you have suggestions for sound effects you'd like to see, feel free to post links. :)

Cheers. -C

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

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On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:

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True. Though when I use a circle object to cut out a piece of a square, or other Boolean operation, import artwork from gimp, and add text, these things are not so much "Drawing" in my mind. ;)

Drawing up plans :-P

Do you need any help with the audio sound effects for the tutorial intro and outro?

Martin,

Dearest C R,

This is a really good piece of code for selecting fonts :-) a very cool setup.

I'm happiest with "Courgette" 30-38

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 18:03 +0100, C R wrote:

Okay, back from Birmingham convention. Those interested in having choosing an open font to replace the "Draw Freely" tagline from Google's massive list of awesome open script fonts, go here: http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/draw_freely_font_list.html

You can click on a font in the list to preview, or use the left and right arrow keys scroll through them. You can additionally use the up and down arrow keys to increase/decrease the size of the fonts. Clicking the share link which updates at the bottom of the font information will copy the size and font number variables for the current font into the page URL, which you can then collect, and post on this thread as your preference.

This works in Chrome and Firefox. If your font list is scrolling along with your up and down arrow keys, just click on the inkscape icon to make it stop. :)

This isn't the pinnacle of elegant code, so don't judge me. ;P My hope is that it will be useful enough to make it easier to choose an alternative font for "Draw Freely".

Please let me know which are your favourites, and I'll make a master list.

Thanks. :)

-C

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:44 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: Don't get me wrong though, one can definitely draw in Inkscape. I did this illustration a few years ago in Inkscape. This is what I would consider "Drawing": http://opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/emmawolf.png

    On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
            > "Drawing up plans :-P"



            Yea, still doesn't seem like drawing to me... oh
            well. ;)


            Probably got the audio handled. I'm recording the
            sound effects myself with my h4n field recorder mic
            (very high quality sound), and then editing with
            audacity. I have most of them, I just need to finish
            the "Draw Freely" sample page so we can vote on the
            font used for "Draw Freely". that's almost done too,
            but my work has overlapped the weekend for a trade
            show in Birmingham (spent most of the day driving, and
            then setting up), so it's been difficult to make as
            much progress as I'd have likes to. A little more gets
            done every day though. Oh, by the way, all our display
            graphics I did in Inkscape, as well as the packaging,
            etc. etc. So our success here at the convention is
            also yours! :)


            Thanks for the offer to help. If you have suggestions
            for sound effects you'd like to see, feel free to post
            links. :)


            Cheers.
            -C


            On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Martin Owens
            <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
                    On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:
                    > True. Though when I use a circle object to
                    cut out a piece of a
                    > square, or other Boolean operation, import
                    artwork from gimp, and add
                    > text,  these things are not so much
                    "Drawing" in my mind. ;)

                    Drawing up plans :-P

                    Do you need any help with the audio sound
                    effects for the tutorial intro
                    and outro?

                    Martin,

Via #inkscape IRC, I collected a few more favourites, and mine as well. The mentioned favs so far are:

1. Courgette 2. La Belle Aurore 3. Zeyada 4. Seaweed 5. Allura 6. Dancing Script 7. Euphoria Script 8. Great Vibes 9. Indie Flower 10. Kaushan Script 11. Mervale Script 12. Molle 13. Nothing You Could Do 14. Rock Salt 15. Satisfy 16. Yellowtail 17. Yesteryear

To make it easier to decide, I've grouped these fonts into four categories based on visual similarities between them. The result is here: http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/17_font_vote.png

Thoughts?

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> wrote:

Thank you, C! Great selection :) - and a fun idea to make this font selection page!

I like La Belle Aurore, Zeyada and Seaweed most (in that order).

Maren

Am 12.09.2015 um 20:26 schrieb Martin Owens:

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Dearest C R,

This is a really good piece of code for selecting fonts :-) a very cool setup.

I'm happiest with "Courgette" 30-38

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 18:03 +0100, C R wrote:

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Okay, back from Birmingham convention. Those interested in having choosing an open font to replace the "Draw Freely" tagline from Google's massive list of awesome open script fonts, go here:

http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/draw_freely_font_list.html

...

...

You can click on a font in the list to preview, or use the left and right arrow keys scroll through them. You can additionally use the up and down arrow keys to increase/decrease the size of the fonts. Clicking the share link which updates at the bottom of the font information will copy the size and font number variables for the current font into the page URL, which you can then collect, and post on this thread as your preference.

This works in Chrome and Firefox. If your font list is scrolling along with your up and down arrow keys, just click on the inkscape icon to make it stop. :)

This isn't the pinnacle of elegant code, so don't judge me. ;P My hope is that it will be useful enough to make it easier to choose an alternative font for "Draw Freely".

Please let me know which are your favourites, and I'll make a master list.

Thanks. :)

-C

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:44 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: Don't get me wrong though, one can definitely draw in Inkscape. I did this illustration a few years ago in Inkscape. This is what I would consider "Drawing":

http://opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/emmawolf.png

...

...

    On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
            > "Drawing up plans :-P"



            Yea, still doesn't seem like drawing to me... oh
            well. ;)


            Probably got the audio handled. I'm recording the
            sound effects myself with my h4n field recorder mic
            (very high quality sound), and then editing with
            audacity. I have most of them, I just need to finish
            the "Draw Freely" sample page so we can vote on the
            font used for "Draw Freely". that's almost done too,
            but my work has overlapped the weekend for a trade
            show in Birmingham (spent most of the day driving, and
            then setting up), so it's been difficult to make as
            much progress as I'd have likes to. A little more gets
            done every day though. Oh, by the way, all our display
            graphics I did in Inkscape, as well as the packaging,
            etc. etc. So our success here at the convention is
            also yours! :)


            Thanks for the offer to help. If you have suggestions
            for sound effects you'd like to see, feel free to post
            links. :)


            Cheers.
            -C


            On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Martin Owens
            <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
                    On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:
                    > True. Though when I use a circle object to
                    cut out a piece of a
                    > square, or other Boolean operation, import
                    artwork from gimp, and add
                    > text,  these things are not so much
                    "Drawing" in my mind. ;)

                    Drawing up plans :-P

                    Do you need any help with the audio sound
                    effects for the tutorial intro
                    and outro?

                    Martin,

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Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real-time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYncRXNzcFm...

I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes as possible. If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally duplicate votes).

Happy Monday. :)

-C

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:

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7. Euphoria Script
8. Great Vibes

My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures Regards.

Understood. If Pushkin were an open font, it would be on the list, for sure. The other essential thing about open fonts is we can add missing language character sets to them. Unfortunately, we can not do this with Pushkin.

-C

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:

Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best. (Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan better.

Tav

On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:

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Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing

I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes as possible. If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally duplicate votes).

Happy Monday. :)

-C

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza < jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

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On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:

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7. Euphoria Script
8. Great Vibes

My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures Regards.

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Hi Cliff. The collection of fonts that Google has were not all designed by google, they are just available through Google. People at Google collected them from all over the internet, and provide access to them through their servers as a means of making them available to everyone, everywhere so there is no need to use the default "safe" webfonts in web pages, which are not only proprietary, but quite limited.

The problems with Pushkin are:

Reasons for this are:

1. We can not change the font - Thus, we are unable to add extra character support for other languages. 2. We can not use the font elsewhere without paying more license fees, and we would like to be able to use the same font on the website, in tutorial videos, and other user documentation. 3. We can not distribute the font with Inkscape materials without paying license fees. 4. Our users can't use the font in their own materials without paying license fees. 5. Open fonts rock, in all the same ways that Open Source software rocks, and contributes to creative freedom, which is in line with the project's creedo "Draw Freely".

Thanks for your suggestions. :)

-C

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:

+1

Still think Pushkin is better than all the others, and it has actual meaning, as opposed to being some random script designed by google. He was an artist who was heavily censored, draw freely would have resonated with him I think.

We've been happily using it for years, why is it suddenly such an issue? On 14 Sep 2015 08:59, "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:

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Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best. (Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan better.

Tav

On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:

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Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing

I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes as possible. If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally duplicate votes).

Happy Monday. :)

-C

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza < jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

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On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:

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7. Euphoria Script
8. Great Vibes

My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures Regards.

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Sorry John, I'm in a hurry to respond to everyone between renders here at work, so I apologise about the name. A font based on a non-open font (which contains original non-free characters) is not an Open Font, even if the new characters are Open. Can you verify that none of the characters from this font are from the original, proprietary Pushkin font? We have to be careful. If you can verify that, and that the original maker of Pushkin is not going to come after us with lawsuits for copying their font, I will add it to the list for consideration.

Thanks.

-C

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:22 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:

All of those have been the case for years, as I asked, why I'd it suddenly an issue?

There's an open font based on Pushkin's handwriting that has all the extra characters.

http://scribusstuff.org/content/show.php/Pushkin?content=106881

And its John by the way, Cliffs my surname. On 23 Sep 2015 10:14, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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Hi Cliff. The collection of fonts that Google has were not all designed by google, they are just available through Google. People at Google collected them from all over the internet, and provide access to them through their servers as a means of making them available to everyone, everywhere so there is no need to use the default "safe" webfonts in web pages, which are not only proprietary, but quite limited.

The problems with Pushkin are:

Reasons for this are:

1. We can not change the font - Thus, we are unable to add extra

character support for other languages. 2. We can not use the font elsewhere without paying more license fees, and we would like to be able to use the same font on the website, in tutorial videos, and other user documentation. 3. We can not distribute the font with Inkscape materials without paying license fees. 4. Our users can't use the font in their own materials without paying license fees. 5. Open fonts rock, in all the same ways that Open Source software rocks, and contributes to creative freedom, which is in line with the project's creedo "Draw Freely".

Thanks for your suggestions. :)

-C

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:

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+1

Still think Pushkin is better than all the others, and it has actual meaning, as opposed to being some random script designed by google. He was an artist who was heavily censored, draw freely would have resonated with him I think.

We've been happily using it for years, why is it suddenly such an issue? On 14 Sep 2015 08:59, "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:

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Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best. (Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan better.

Tav

On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:

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Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing

I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes as possible. If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally duplicate votes).

Happy Monday. :)

-C

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza < jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

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On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote: > 7. Euphoria Script > 8. Great Vibes

My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures Regards.

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I have verified that the "free" font 106881-newPushkin.ttf Contains the original proprietary glyphs of Pushkin, which is (c) A.S.Puskin & ParaType, 1999. The .ttf file also contains no license information whatsoever.

This font was downloaded at: http://scribusstuff.org/content/show.php/Pushkin?content=106881

Recommend immediate removal of this font from all Libre projects. I will send notifications to KDE devs and the Scribus project as well.

Thanks for calling this to our attention.

-C

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:36 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

The original maker of Pushkin is: A.S.Puskin & ParaType, 1999. All rights reserved. If you can get them to offer their font under a SIL Open Font License, it will be consideration worthy for the project. If you think they might object to people adding characters to their non-free font, and giving it away for free, you may want to avoid rocking the boat. Looks like over 22k people have downloaded and redistributed modified versions of it. Yet one more reason to demand OFL

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:28 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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Sorry John, I'm in a hurry to respond to everyone between renders here at work, so I apologise about the name. A font based on a non-open font (which contains original non-free characters) is not an Open Font, even if the new characters are Open. Can you verify that none of the characters from this font are from the original, proprietary Pushkin font? We have to be careful. If you can verify that, and that the original maker of Pushkin is not going to come after us with lawsuits for copying their font, I will add it to the list for consideration.

Thanks.

-C

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:22 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:

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All of those have been the case for years, as I asked, why I'd it suddenly an issue?

There's an open font based on Pushkin's handwriting that has all the extra characters.

http://scribusstuff.org/content/show.php/Pushkin?content=106881

And its John by the way, Cliffs my surname. On 23 Sep 2015 10:14, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

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Hi Cliff. The collection of fonts that Google has were not all designed by google, they are just available through Google. People at Google collected them from all over the internet, and provide access to them through their servers as a means of making them available to everyone, everywhere so there is no need to use the default "safe" webfonts in web pages, which are not only proprietary, but quite limited.

The problems with Pushkin are:

Reasons for this are:

1. We can not change the font - Thus, we are unable to add extra

character support for other languages. 2. We can not use the font elsewhere without paying more license fees, and we would like to be able to use the same font on the website, in tutorial videos, and other user documentation. 3. We can not distribute the font with Inkscape materials without paying license fees. 4. Our users can't use the font in their own materials without paying license fees. 5. Open fonts rock, in all the same ways that Open Source software rocks, and contributes to creative freedom, which is in line with the project's creedo "Draw Freely".

Thanks for your suggestions. :)

-C

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:

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+1

Still think Pushkin is better than all the others, and it has actual meaning, as opposed to being some random script designed by google. He was an artist who was heavily censored, draw freely would have resonated with him I think.

We've been happily using it for years, why is it suddenly such an issue? On 14 Sep 2015 08:59, "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:

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Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best. (Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan better.

Tav

On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote: > Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real > -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results): > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc > RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing > > I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes > as possible. > If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me > the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally > duplicate votes). > > Happy Monday. :) > > -C > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza < > jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote: > > On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote: > > > 7. Euphoria Script > > > 8. Great Vibes > > > > My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures > > Regards. > > > > > >

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We're none of us perfect and when we need to get better it takes energy to make the move.

I commend CR's push to cleaning up a most difficult task of social consensus. Something which could /very/ easily be bike shedded into the ground.

My interest is in getting the font on the website to match the branding.

Thanks Martin. I appreciate your vote of confidence. :)

It is quite important to me that all who want to may have a say in this process, for or against it, every viewpoint is appreciated and considered. I'm also happy to explain things as best I can to get as much of a consensus as possible. I will always do my best to make sure everyone is heard and acknowledged, and I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone for their help and advice with this task.

Thanks one and all! :)

-C

Martin Owens

And by being the CDN for the fonts, they get to see all sorts of interesting information about which websites each ip goes to ;)

njh

Slight correction: By being /A/ CDN they get to see all sorts of interesting information which websites each ip goes to. Of course that's even more true of Google search, analytics, etc. They will not, of course, be able to tell where the fonts are viewed if you clone their repo on github... ;) To be clear, I am not suggesting we link to Google's CDN for the website font. I think we are probably just fine hosting the chosen font(s) on the inkscape.org website.

-C

Oh that's good to know, thanks web team! I was merely noting that providing and hosting fonts wasn't a completely selfless act. I do think they are nice fonts, and definite improvement over the options we had before.

Could inkscape help in the creation of CC fonts? Perhaps a plugin to manage the various lines, clone into sample text, provide kerning pairs etc?

njh

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 03:40:50PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:

We have an informal policy in the web team to not use any CDN except for fastly, which is the cdn for our content and downloads (much appreciated) for just the reasons you might suspect.

Once a font is selected it will be included in the website's repository in the static folder. See 'lp:inkscape-web/inkscape/static/fonts/'

Martin,

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    to ;)

    njh

Slight correction: By being /A/ CDN they get to see all sorts of interesting information which websites each ip goes to. Of course that's even more true of Google search, analytics, etc. They will not, of course, be able to tell where the fonts are viewed if you clone their repo on github... ;) To be clear, I am not suggesting we link to Google's CDN for the website font. I think we are probably just fine hosting the chosen font(s) on the inkscape.org website.

-C

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