January 2004 - Inkscape Devel

Re: [Inkscape-devel] remove/apply transformations?
by Robert Crosbie 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

---8<---Snip--->8--- >>Lets say I want to draw a regular hexagon. I will draw 3 >>identical lines, rotate one 60, another -60, then apply the >>transformations. The endpoints of these paths will give me the >>control points to draw the hexagon. > >From this example, however, I don't see why you need preserving >transformations - if you apply them at once! This means you just >want the rotate command (in the Transformation dialog, I suppose) to >work in the "optimize" mode, i.e. apply the transformations for >you. Or am I missing something? In this particular case, optimize mode would work well, but I am actually constantly switching between the two. Suppose I'm drawing a snowflake: http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/images/woodworking/snowflake_2c.jpg I only need to work on one branch of that snowflake, group the paths and the others are copies of that branch that are rotated. In this case I want to work in preserve mode because If I make a change to one of the branches, I can copy that change to the transformed groups. But suppose I want the side-branches to meet. I will then use my hexagon example above to find the point where side-branches intersect and use that as my endpoint. I usually want to optimize the transformations in jig objects that are used to find points for my preserved object. Does that make sense? I wouldn't have to do things like this if inkscape had some CAD-like path features such as: Connect path A to the midpoint of Path B; Clip path A at it's intersection with path B; etc. I'm constantly making objects to precisely find these points that I need. Check out this celtic knot: http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/images/woodworking/plate5of3a.jpg It consists of 5 copies of the same path that are rotated, but I had to draw a lot of intermediary objects and paths to ensure that that one path would be seamless when it was rotated and combined into the larger object. It's the intermediary objects that I need to apply the transformations to. Cheers, Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] RE: couple of functionality tweaks
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Hey, wait a minute, actually I programmed this long ago - and it works for >me! Could you please describe in detail how it's not working? With a sample >file and step-by-step instructions? Perhaps this is a misunderstanding: It should deselect any selected nodes (they must become all gray), but not deselect the shape itself (why would you need that in node edit?) If you need to edit nodes of another shape, however, you can click on it, and it will be selected instead (i.e. the old shape's nodes will disappear, and the new shape will show its nodes, initially deselected (gray)). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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RE: couple of functionality tweaks
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>While I was editing a shape using the node-select tool, I tried to >deselect the shape by clicking on the canvas, which is kinda standard >practice, and the shape was still selected (ie, the nodes were active). >When one is using the node edit tool and they click on open space, all >nodes should be deselected. > >I'm putting an RFE in on this one, but I figured it might be a simple >change. >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=884979&group_id=9… Hey, wait a minute, actually I programmed this long ago - and it works for me! Could you please describe in detail how it's not working? With a sample file and step-by-step instructions? Anyone else having problems with this? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: keyboard shortcuts + man page
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Take a look at 'ScrollKeeper': http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net/ What is involved in adding SK support? Can we do this quickly, for the shortcuts page only, before the release? If not, I would still much prefer to have a web browser fired as an interim solution, because easy access to the shortcuts page is critical for users. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] remove/apply transformations?
by Robert Crosbie 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

I actually have a need for both "transform = " and "apply transform" (I see no need for "remove transform"). I would prefer that when I transform an object, I get a "transform = " and then have the ability to apply that transform. Lets say I want to draw a regular hexagon. I will draw 3 identical lines, rotate one 60, another -60, then apply the transformations. The endpoints of these paths will give me the control points to draw the hexagon. This is a simplified example, but I do things like this a lot to get accurate points. In inkscape, currently, I combine paths to apply a transformation. I'd really like to see an apply transform button. Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: "bulia byak" <archiver_1@...19...> >To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: [Inkscape-devel] remove/apply transformations? >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:08:38 +0000 > >Another confusing concept. SVG allows to store transformations (moves, >rotates, etc) both "natively" (in the object's own coordinates) and as a >transform= attribute that is applied "after the fact". Of the many commands >that move/rotate objects, some (most) write the new coordinates directly >into the object, but some just add a transform= attribute without changing >anything else in the object. I see no apparent logic behind this difference >in behavior. > >Now, the "remove transformations" command simply erases the transform= >attribute if it is present. Recent Sodipodi adds "apply transformations" >which writes the transform= into the object and then removes it (i.e. no >visible change). I think this mess is very confusing and serves no useful >purpose. To an artist, "remove transformations" works as a weird sort of >undo whose results are generally unpredictable, and "apply transformations" >does nothing at all. So I propose: > >- remove the "remove transformations" command. > >- fix the remaining commands that add transform= so that they always >"apply" their transformations to the objects at once. (In particular, >scaling a text object must affect its font size; transforming a group must >write transformations into the group's members instead of adding transform= >to the entire group.) > >I may have missed something, so please argue. > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms… > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 >Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration >See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. >http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] new preview?
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>If this functionality is in fact "Preview in Browser" then it is certainly >confusing which makes it useless in its current state but I think with >minor changes it could be made genuinely useful. Good idea to make this command an "External preview". Just store a command line with options in prefs, and when a preview is requested, save the current file and run the command on it. This seems to be similar to the task of running an external browser for help files - therefore, Jon, what would you say if I ask you to add this to your TODO? Right now, however, the "preview" is done by Inkscape itself, and is therefore useless. So I'm removing this command for now, until we have an external preview functionality. Alan, can you say your word on the most HIG-compliant set of scrollwheel modifiers? As I wrote some time ago: We have this item in the roadmap: * Decide on mouse scrollwheel modifiers [everyone, see mailing list archives] So, once you raised the issue, could you please review the current wheel behaviors: # Mouse wheel scroll canvas vertically # Ctrl + Mouse wheel scroll canvas horizontally # Shift + Mouse wheel zoom in or out and propose a change to conform to HIG, but without losing any of the three functions. After you publish your proposal here, if no one objects, I will code it. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] news + features
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Are there any more announcements? I add most features/fixes I do to the release notes. Review the release notes to see if there's anything that you like that wasn't on the front page yet. (And add anything missing to the release notes as well.) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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new preview?
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Anyone would object if I remove this command? What it does is basically runs an SVG viewer on the current file. The idea behind this is unclear to me. If you want a parallel view of your file, "New view" would be just fine. So I think "New preview" is confusing and useless. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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news + features
by Jonathan Phillips 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Does anyone have any news/announcements that they would like on the main page. I'm going to add prior to our release: - inkscape-user mailing list announcement Are there any more announcements? Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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remove/apply transformations?
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Another confusing concept. SVG allows to store transformations (moves, rotates, etc) both "natively" (in the object's own coordinates) and as a transform= attribute that is applied "after the fact". Of the many commands that move/rotate objects, some (most) write the new coordinates directly into the object, but some just add a transform= attribute without changing anything else in the object. I see no apparent logic behind this difference in behavior. Now, the "remove transformations" command simply erases the transform= attribute if it is present. Recent Sodipodi adds "apply transformations" which writes the transform= into the object and then removes it (i.e. no visible change). I think this mess is very confusing and serves no useful purpose. To an artist, "remove transformations" works as a weird sort of undo whose results are generally unpredictable, and "apply transformations" does nothing at all. So I propose: - remove the "remove transformations" command. - fix the remaining commands that add transform= so that they always "apply" their transformations to the objects at once. (In particular, scaling a text object must affect its font size; transforming a group must write transformations into the group's members instead of adding transform= to the entire group.) I may have missed something, so please argue. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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