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by brynn
Hi Friends,
I've noticed a lot of spam in the mailing list lately.
Should the mailing lists be somehow linked in with website
moderation? Or is there some other way?
One way or another, I would ask this spam to be somehow
controlled. Even just the 3 or 4 messages I've seen lately, are far too
many.
Thanks for listening.
brynn
3 years, 10 months
Re: Inkscape 1.0 course for LinkedIn Learning
by Bryce Harrington
Hi Mike,
Thanks for contacting me, and double-thanks for your work at helping
increase the number of Inkscape exprts. It's lovely to see the solid
health of the overall ecosystem around Inkscape. It is indeed exciting
to know 1.0 is coming soon, and having your tutorials available and up
to date in conjunction with this release is a great goal.
Inkscape is a 100% free and open source software project, and as such
there's no NDAs or confidentiality agreements to deal with. (Although
yes, the actual release date is sometimes embargoed to synchronize PR
with packaging. But I suspect you're looking for a general estimate not
the exact date.)
That said, unfortunately it is difficult to predict when releases will
occur with any degree of accuracy. Inkscape is a fully volunteer-driven
project, and as such when there are release-critical issues the schedule
can be driven by particular individuals' limited freetime availability.
I hate to say, "It'll be released when it's ready to," but that's how it
has always tended to end up working in practice...
Due to my own limited time availability, I've handed off the release
management role to Mc, who hopefully can provide some better indications
about the timeframes for 1.0. I do know that the team has been hard at
work at final polish, and it sounds like they're keen to get it out the
door within the coming months.
Beyond that, I'm not sure if you're aware, but there is a vibrant
Inkscape community involved with documentation, user training, and
support. They coordinate with book authors, conference organizers, and
online instructors. I would encourage you to join this group, as it
sounds like you're offering educational opportunities within that same
space. Hopefully Maren or one of the others active in these areas can
contact you with an invitation.
Thanks again for your work at supporting the Inkscape ecosystem, and I
hope 1.0 will bring increased opportunities for us all to spread
wider knowledge of this software.
Bryce
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 05:00:34PM -0500, Mike Rankin wrote:
> Hello-
>
> My name is Mike Rankin, and I'm the instructor for the LinkedIn Learning
> course on Inkscape
> <https://www.linkedin.com/learning/inkscape-essential-training/>. At
> LinkedIn, I teach courses on free and low-cost alternatives to Adobe
> software, like Inkscape, GIMP, and soon Affinity Publisher). The Inkscape
> course has helped many users and I'm very excited that I'll soon be able to
> update it for version 1.0.
>
> I'm writing to see if you can share any news about when 1.0 will be
> released. Any information would be a huge help for me to get the new course
> done and released at the same time as the software. I understand that this
> may be confidential information, so I'd be happy to enter into a
> non-disclosure agreement.
>
> In any case, thanks for making a great piece of software and giving folks
> an alternative to Adobe.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Rankin
3 years, 10 months
Re: 8 Bugs - 1.0beta1 (32d4812, 2019-09-19) (New User - Mac OS Catalina)
by Ben Griffin
Hi folks,
C Rogers, thanks for your reply.
> Inkscape is a different program than Illustrator.
Of course. It should be better than Illustrator, and it’s got some great features already. If you thought that was what I expected, with respect, your assumption was mistaken.
> (1) Surprise Quit
>> This is one thing that's just plain different about Inkscape….
Nope. It’s pretty normal for some operating systems, such as windows, where a window is an application. Not so on MacOS, where a window is (most times) merely a document within the application.
It may be that you have not used MacOS much. Try opening any application on MacOS. Close the window - guess what? You have not closed the application. Not even with MS software. Why? Because to do so is a bug on MacOS. There’s nothing unique about Inkscape - it’s just either arrogance or laziness.
Okay, so you’ve chosen to use a document window as your application root, and you don’t want to refactor your code to suit the UI guidelines of different OS - so, there is a is a 'lazy' way available to you - look at eg, GarageBand - which is a window-centred application. It starts, either with the last project, or it gives you a ‘choose a project to open/create new) window. You could do that. Not doing that is breaking your port to MacOS. Otherwise, it's a bug.
> (2) Location of preferences menu item.
> 1) BUG - Preferences is in the Edit menu rather than in the ‘Inkscape’ menu
>> Inkscape is cross platform, which means that there may or may not be an Inkscape menu at all, which is a MacOS convention
Again, this is laziness or arrogance, and it’s a bug. You telling me that Adobe software isn’t cross platform?
Even if there is no ‘Inkscape Menu’, there’s the File menu - which is where I look for preferences. Why? Because “File” is about Files - ie, documents, - so yes, project settings, project preferences, they belong under File. Apple subsequently decided (imo correctly) that Application level preferences should be under the application.
Again, go into any MacOS application that has and edit menu - and look to see what is there. ‘Preferences' isn’t one of them. It’s a bug.
You may think this is merely my opinion. What you are forgetting is that there is a uniform approach to application user interface on MacOS. Every single time you make a decision to break the UX guidelines, you increase the complexity of your application, and you lose thousands - even hundreds of thousands - of potential users; you may think it’s an opinion of mine - but go look at the available UX / UI guidelines published by Apple (and Xerox before them), along with the absolutely vast budget they put into it, in order to make MacOS ‘easy’.
So if you want a niche geek product, ignore what I say or just decide it’s a WONT-FIX / NOT-A-BUG.
I will still use it. But I know plenty of people who will just say ‘I tried it, and it didn’t work’.
Lastly, I was asked by your own documentation, to report bugs to inkscape-dev, which is what I did.
If you now want me to post bugs on https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues <https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues>, the answer is sorry, bud., I did what was asked of me.
I truly would like to see Inkscape become a killer app on Mac OS. But if your hearts are not into it, and you just want to keep it on Linux, fine - I’m all for free community driven software on community driven machines - it’s what I get paid to do, which is super cool. On the other hand, if you are committed to making Inkscape truly cross-platform, you have to make it conform to those platform’s own guidelines and conventions, otherwise it’s just a bad port for niche geeks like me.
-B.
3 years, 10 months
Vote for your favorite Inkscape About Screen!
by Maren Hachmann
It's time to vote for the About Screen for Inkscape's version 1.0!
We're very proud to present you with an amazing gallery featuring 124
entries, by 96 different Inkscape artists. Thank you so much to everyone
who entered!
Community voting opens on November 18 and closes on December 1, 2019.
Here are the rules:
* If you don't have a user account on the Inkscape website yet, you need
to register (https://inkscape.org/user/register/) to be able to vote.
* Everyone gets 1 vote - this includes all contest entrants.
* Visit the gallery and check out all the amazing works of art.
* Click on one of the thumbnails to see the a larger version of the
image and a description. You can also comment on the contest entry.
* To cast your vote, either click on the check mark below the image or
hover over the small image in the gallery to see a circle-shaped
checkbox you can click on. If you accidentally vote for the wrong
entry, you can change your vote by simply voting for a different one.
* Voting will ONLY be accepted via the Inkscape website.
* You can vote until Sunday, December 1, 2019, 23:59 (Time zone: UTC).
* Once the community voting is done, the top five entries with the most
votes will be passed on to the developers, who will then vote to
determine the winner.
* For the contest participants, ANY modifications of the files are
prohibited at this point.
SEE ALL ENTRIES AND CAST YOUR VOTE HERE:
https://inkscape.org/gallery/=about-screen-contest/contest-for-10/
Good luck to all participants!
3 years, 10 months
Re: 8 Bugs - 1.0beta1 (32d4812, 2019-09-19) (New User - Mac OS Catalina)
by C R
Sorry, replied to Ben only. Here's a forwarded reply.
On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 19:47 C R, <cajhne(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, thanks for taki g the time to contact us and share your thoughts.
>
>
> IMO the first four bugs I mention here are so major that many first time
>> users will decide not to use InkScape again, which is unfortunate as it’s a
>> really great app.
>>
>
> Inkscape is a different program than Illustrator. It's not meant to be a
> copy, nor is it designed as a free version of that software. As a long time
> Illustrator user myself, I can say that if feature parity is what you seek,
> it's going to be a bad time. I feel the same way when forced to use
> Illustrator CC, because some problems they have not fixed even after all
> these years. Some are things that Inkscape users would certainly miss going
> to Illustrator. So with that in mind, let's proceed...
>
>
> Using vanilla 1.0beta1 on MacOS Catalina 10.15.1 (19B88) with default
>> preferences set.
>>
>
>
>> (1) Surprise Quit
>> 1) Open Inkscape.
>> 2) Close ‘New document 1’
>> 3) BUG - Inkscape has now quit. There is no reason why the application
>> should depend upon the existence of a document window.
>>
>
> This is one thing that's just plain different about Inkscape. There is no
> main window which acts as a container for open Inkscape documents. Each
> time you open a new Inkscape document it makes a window for it. It would
> take a major redesign to have a container window which mirrors how
> Illustrator works. So no, unfortunately this is not a bug. :)
>
> (2) Location of preferences menu item.
>> 1) BUG - Preferences is in the Edit menu rather than in the ‘Inkscape’
>> menu
>> Actually, many items in the Edit menu, which are to do with application
>> level settings, should be in the Inkscape Menu.
>>
>
> Inkscape is cross platform, which means that there may or may not be an
> Inkscape menu at all, which is a MacOS convention. This is why those items
> are located in the Edit menu, which is a fairly standard place to look for
> preferences if you've used Adobe products and most other graphics tools on
> Windows and Linux. Hopefully the placement of the preferences item is not
> something which will trip you up often. If it is, I recommend learning the
> hotkeys to bring it up.
>
> (3) Surprise Preferences panel dimensions.
>> 1) Open Inkscape.
>> 2) Open the preferences panel.
>> 3) BUG - The panel height stretches across the entire vertical size of
>> the screen, with no ‘preference tab’ content that deep.
>> The panel width is unusually narrow, with some form elements being
>> clipped by the panel. (Eg, System, Interface)
>> Moreover, the nested tree is surprising, with the higher nodes (eg
>> behaviour) showing minimal details, with no documentation / hints
>> whatsoever.
>>
>
> That does sound like a bug. I recommend reporting that one in our GitLab
> bug tracker as per the instructions on the website.
>
> Tracker here:
> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues
>
> Our Mac OS build functions without the need for xquartz now, which was a
> universal pain in the ass to install, so please bear with us while we
> continue to make the new build better.
>
>
>> (4) Panel/Dialog focus problems.
>> 1) Open Inkscape.
>> 2) Open the preferences panel.
>> 3) Drag the preferences panel so that the traffic light (close /
>> minimise / zoom) sit over the centre of ‘New document 1’
>> 4) Click once on the RED (close) traffic light.
>> 5) BUG - Focus is transferred to ’New document 1’ and the preference
>> panel fades. (See following cropped screenshot).
>>
>
>
> Yep, that looks like a bug too. Please report it here so our Mac team can
> address it:
> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues
>
> (5) New ellipse uses previous ellipse controls.
>> 1) Open Inkscape.
>> 2) Give focus to ‘New document 1’
>> 3) Create a ‘pacman’ using the (very cool) pie tool.
>> 4) Deselect, and draw a new ellipse.
>> 5) BUG- (By default) the new ellipse is the pacman, not a new ellipse.
>> 6) BUG- (If you believe that 5 is the correct behaviour) a single click
>> with the ’ellipse tool' SHOULD generate the identically dimensioned
>> previous shape at the mouse position.
>> 7) Both of the above behaviours should be controlled by preferences.
>> There is a ’style’ preference available, but default style and default
>> shape are different.
>>
>
> 5 is expected behaviour, and 6 is a wishlist item I guess? Anyway not
> bugs. If you want to create exact copies of a shape at the mouse cursor,
> just drag the original shape around and tap the spacebar while dragging.
> This will drop new copes of the original shape.
>
> Inkscape remembers what shape you last made. If you want a complete circle
> back, just click the complete circle button at the top of the screen and it
> will be a circle from then on, until next you change it.
>
> Is it weird to draw multiple pie shapes? Yea, probably. :) However this
> behavior is constant with the rectangle tool and star tool which you may
> very well want to say, keep making rectangles with the same corner radius
> over and over. It would be a pain to keep having to round corners, no? So
> yea, it's weird, but it makes sense if you think about it as a unified tool
> set. The fix is easy enough too. Single click, sorted.
>
>
>
>> (6) Outline Display Mode
>> Outline Display should (or should be set by preference) show
>> polygon/object centres.
>>
>
> Wishlist item/feature request. I agree this would be a nice feature
> though.
>
>
>> (7) Measurement Tool (Language).
>> It’s the first time I’ve heard of a starting measurement point being
>> called a Knot.
>> If you are going to use specialised language, provide a strong hint as to
>> what that is.
>>
>
> Well it's not a vertex or a node. We could call them handles perhaps, but
> then that might be confused with the handles on bounding boxes etc. At any
> rate, this is not a bug so much as a convention of the software.
>
>>
> (8) Font sample text.
>> Nearly all fonts include a sample text to show / highlight the font.
>> Your font dialog does not use that, doesn’t provide a preference to allow
>> for it.
>> Many font names are incorrect, and likewise do not always show the
>> correct sample (because the InkScape characters are not always represented)
>> See ‘Baghdad’ as an example below (with Font Book overlay)
>>
>
> Yes, this is a bug. Please report it in our GitLab bug tracker.
>
> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues
>
> Thanks for taking the time to help us make Inkscape better.
>
> -C.Rogers
>
>
>
>>
>>
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