March 2004 - Inkscape Devel - Inkscape Mailman

crash in hmm dunno
by David Christian Berg 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

I have the latest debian package, but dunno what that is... can't you put something in the about dialog, so that I know... I never remember this terminal stuff. Anyways, I get a crash when I try to copy a text with a gradient fill. That is strange on the one hand and annoying on the other. I hope it's an easy to fix or fixed already. David

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math operation in dialogs
by David Christian Berg 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

just wondering if I should file a bug, or if it's so simple that I don't need to. Especially in the guides and the positioning dialog it would be helpful to be able to put mathimatical stuff in there. Imagine you have a guide at 45.6 and want one 7 mm further to the right, you'd just type 45.6+7 and there you go... even more important is something like dividing by 2 or 3, I need that quite often. Btw: Since my laptop was for repair, I used CorelDraw, and I think for basic vector editing and layouting inkscape is by now better than Corel. That is something! Which also brings me to one other thing I'm missing: Baseline Grid. Even for simple flyers and brochures it's nice (or rather necessary) to have. CorelDraw just pissed me of for not having it! I got my laptop back, with working ethernet card, Yeah!! Take care! David

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Inkscape 0.38 Status
by Bryce Harrington 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

Here's the updated stats for today: 2/18 2/22 2/24 2/28 3/ 2 3/ 4 3/ 6 Goal ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1. Bugs 841633-896992 52 45 34 33 29 28 28 9 2. Open/Total Bug Ratio 33% 28% 22% 24% 20% 21% 23% 10% Bryce

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[Fwd: Re: SVG on the Desktop]
by Jonathan Phillips 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...254...> > To: Christian Schaller <uraeus@...55...> > Cc: www-svg@...157... > Subject: Re: SVG on the Desktop > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:18:42 +0100 > > > Hi Christian > > On Tue 2004-03-23 Christian Schaller wrote: > > I thought I just point people here to my article on the use of SVG > > in the desktop. It summarizes the work we have done are and are > > doing with utilizing SVG in the Linux/Unix desktop: > > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6460 > > Great article, thanks! I mainly use KDE, but perhaps Novell/Suse 10 > will ship with a good GNOME (SVG) desktop :) > > Besides the whole icon business; Are there plans to base the whole > (GNOME) desktop GUI on SVG? When I change the resolution of my screen, > then the size of every icon, text, window frame/decoration, menu, > taskbar, button, etc should stay the same; and I want to be able to > change the size of all this without having to change my screen's > resolution. Non-GNOME apps also would need to use SVG then, so perhaps > SVG needs to be incorporated at the X level? Does xsvg or Cairo help > with that? > > Regarding editor forks: > > "As the first draft of the SVG spec was released, work on another SVG > editor was undertaken - the now well-known Sodipodi drawing > application by Lauris Kaplinski. Sodipodi was partially based on Gill. > Over the next several months, Sodipodi progressed while Gill came to > an end as Raph's attention turned elsewhere." > > This shows that forks and projects which build on the code of others > can be very useful, and can prevent an effort or a code base from > dying. > > "All is not well in the house of roses though and later that month the > Sodipodi development team splits into two groups, and the Inkscape > project is born." > > What's "not well" about this event? The reasons might be incompatible > view and ideas, but the outcome is good as far as I can see. > > "This gives us two SVG editors/Vector drawing applications." > > This is great, no? Users have one more choice, developers who want to > help with creating and evolving an SVG editor but don't fit into the > Sodipodi team/community might find a home in the Inkscape > team/community. > > "Long running disagreements on topics ranging from GUI design, use of > external libraries, project goal and direction, programming language > used, and more resulted in the developers feeling that they would be > happier and more productive if they worked on two separate projects." > > ... thus it's great that they were constructive and active and started > their own project. > > If Sodipodi would die, some of it's efforts and code might live on in > Inkscape (just as some Gill code lives on through Sodipodi if I > understood you correctly). > > Neither Sodipodi nor Inkscape is mature enough yet (both still crash > and disappear from time to time), but I'm confident that they will > continue to evolve and mature and become more complete; competition > might very well help with that :) > > BTW, Sodipodi already is very useful (just remember to save you work > often enough :), and those who use Illustrator to create Linux icons > could check out > http://zeus.qballcow.nl/icons.php > "QNX Gnome Theme 0.3.7 > [...] > I made the whole icons using Sodipodi." > > Pretty cool. > > Something else: > > An SVG-based GUI toolkit might also be an interesting project. People > could for example build scalable interfaces to their Ruby or Python > applications, with SVG. > > Tobi -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...247... http://www.jonphillips.info

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Tips and Tricks Wiki Page
by Jonathan Phillips 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

Also, you can enter your tips and tricks here: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TricksAndTips and they will be collected semi-regulary. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...247... http://www.jonphillips.info

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape strings
by bulia byak 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

> > Tip radius is the distance from the center to the farthest handle. > > Base radius is the same for closest handle. Can you suggest better > > terms? > >They are OK, but then I can't see why it's called "sharpness". >(If someone starts to move the inner handle along a circle, he >will possibly be surprised to see the resulting objects have the >same "sharpness".) Right, strictly speaking sharpness also depends on the angular positions of handles - skewed tips are sharper than straight ones with the same radii. However the label must be one word, maximum two, as long explanations won't fit. Please feel free to propose a better one-word term than "sharpness". >I see it now. What I tried was to raise only 1 item of a group (after >Ctrl+clicking it), and Inkscape did not raise this item above an >ungroupped object -- but this was a bad thing to test with, because >Inkscape does not give this message then. There's no error message because it's not an error - it does in fact moves the selected object within its group. So this may be not what you expected, but it's a successful operation from Inkscape viewpoint, and we don't report on successes (with some exceptions, such as "Document saved."). >The point I was trying to make with all this is that we are talking >about "different groups or layers", but those objects do not both have >to be in a group, and we have only 1 layer in Inkscape right now. So >if you take a root-level, ungroupped object and try to group it with >an already groupped single item, then it's strange to receive this >message telling that they are from a different group (one of them is >ungroupped) or layer (there's no layer). Right, more correct would be "You cannot raise/lower objects from different groups or layers, or grouped objects together with ungrouped ones", but IMHO it's too wordy, and the part after comma adds nothing really useful for the user, it's kinda implied. What do others think? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-user] (no subject)
by Daniel Díaz 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

[Hello all. This is mostly related to the project, so in case anyone understands Spanish, here it goes] Hola, qué tal. On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:47, Ricardo Ortiz Coronado wrote: > Mira, mi idea es algun dia poder pasarme al soft GNU algun dia no muy > lejano, Fíjate que ya hay quien se pasa prácticamente todo el día en Linux usando software libre para sus composiciones. Bulia Byak, uno de los desarrolladores, por ejemplo, dice que se pasa ahí las horas y lo usa para sus trabajos. Eso resulta bastante bueno porque donde encuentra que algo le duele al software, luego luego hace una modificación y lo mejora. ¡Ya quisiéramos todos tener su habilidad para programar tan bien! > soy diseñador grafico y como podras ver, realmente no hay mucho de > donde escoger, aunque veo sof con mucho futuro, ¡Bastante! Inkscape ha evolucionado de una forma increíble en el poco tiempo que ha existido. Desde que se separó de Sodipodi, el rol de Inkscape le da nuevos bríos al diseño gráfico con software libre. > podria ayudar en la parte de > traduccion, no por mi sino por medio de un amigo que me traduce. Eso sería bastante bueno. Ya Lucas Vieites Fariña <lucas@...212...> tomó las riendas de la traducción al español, y también dijo que le iba a dar atención al tutorial. Sería bueno que lo contactaras para ver si de esa forma se puede formar un equipo de traducción al español para Inkscape. > tambien > puedo testear el soft en un rip Postcript para ver la salida a preprensa. > (donde trabajo hay una fotocomponedora) pero el inconveniente es la salida > de impresion del InkScape. ¡Suena como que muy bien! Pero... ¿qué es un rip? Ahí disculparás, pero lo del diseño gráfico no es lo mío, y por ello no conozco la jerga. Me imagino que es algo particular de las imprentas, así que si puedes experimentar con eso e Inkscape, ¡pues sería fabuloso reportar los resultados en el grupo! Hasta donde yo sé, Inkscape sí tiene unos problemas para exportar a PostScript, y es que nadie se ha dado a la tarea de actualizar ese filtro de salida. Siempre que sale a colación en la lista dicen: "¿Alguien que quiera tomar ese pendiente?", así que habrá que esperar al menos a que esté en los planes, porque la versión 0.38 es más que nada para eliminar bugs. > Bueno por favor orientame donde puedo enviar mis > comentarios, o que te parece si te los envio. > Gracias por contestarme. Hombre, no hay problema. Me los puedes enviar a mí, pero yo soy sólo un amigo del proyecto. Lo mejor sería dirigir todas tus inquietudes al grupo. Es más, si puedes lanzarte al chat (está en Jabber, pero no recuerdo en dónde), mejor, para que platiques con Bryce y todos ellos. > Te comento que estoy probando el scribus y me ha > parecido fabuloso, bueno no es un Quark pero ahi vamos. Saludos ¡De acuerdo! No es lo mejor, pero sí que es bueno. Scribus también ha tenido bastante progreso, y lo mejor de todo es que hay buenas relaciones entre la gente de Scribus y la de Inkscape, porque quieren asegurar que exista buena comunicación de archivos entre uno y otro producto. Cosas muy buenas van a salir de esa relación, vas a ver. Espero que no te moleste que haya mandado copia de este correo al grupo. Así que aquí andamos para lo que se ofrezca. ¡Saludos! Daniel Díaz yosoy@...31...

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] annoying usability with selection
by bulia byak 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

>arguably* this is the correct behaviour and that if you want to rotate all >the objects as a group then you should group them and ungroup them when >you are done. (* i wouldn't argue this for myself, although the behaviour >is logical I cannot say I have ever wanted to use it that way) If we follow this logic, we'll also need to change scaling, skewing, flipping, and perhaps other operations all of which currently work on a selection as a whole. >the problem is that if you change the behaviour to rotate the whole group >and some one actually does want to rotate each of the selected objects >individually then they would be forced to do them one by one. True, this may be useful sometimes too, but it's not for a global verb. It would be nice to have it as a checkbox in the Transform dialog or next to the top panel's Rotate field. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] annoying usability with selection
by bulia byak 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

>Does anyone else find it annoying that when using another tool, you >can't select all with ctrl-a You can. It's a global verb, although it works differently in node tool. , and shift into selection mode? Also, I >wonder if there could be shortcut keys associated with rotate 90 deg CW >and 90 deg CCW. There are. Look up Ctrl+[ and Ctrl+] in the reference. There is a problem with them, however: these keys are only valid in selector, while the buttons on the toolbar call a different function and are global verbs without shortcuts. Those global rotates are broken (try rotating several selected objects, it rotates each one separately instead of rotating the selection as a whole) and need to be removed anyway. And the reason why the [, ] rotates are not global is that they work differently in node editor (rotate node handles). So what needs to be done is this: - rewrite the global rotate verbs so that they find out the current tool and call different functions in node tool and in all other tools. An example of such tool-sensitive verb is Ctrl+A whence you can borrow the check code. - assign the Ctrl+[] shortcuts to these global verbs and remove these keys from select-context.cpp. This might be a good project for you :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: Startup message
by bulia byak 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

This means it can't find some of the icons. This may happen if you updated your .exe but not icons.svg. >I am consistently getting the following startup messages with win32 28 >march >and 29 march. > >vellum ><< Startup040329.gif >> ><< Startup040328.gif >> _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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