April 2004 - Inkscape Devel - Inkscape Mailman

Re: [Inkscape-devel] Clone command
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

>I was going to comment on the shortcut too! > >Developers will probably want to reserve Ctrl+Shift+N for New Layer or New >from Template, which is the kind of thing that shortcut is normally used >for. I changed that already, see my yesterday's mail. >Adobe Illustrator doesn't seem to have anything directly analagous to a >Clone tool. The way it works in Adobe Illustrator seems to be that you >make a symbol of something first and then you use the Symbol tools, namely >the Symbol Sprayer which has the keybinding Shift+S. I dont know how you >plan to implement things in the future but you may want to reconsider the >current design if it will inevitably need to be changed later. Hmmm. It's not often (yet) that we beat AI on something, and now that we've done it, you suggest that we drop it for compatibility? :) The Symbols facility and the Clone command are entirely different, even if they will use the same internal implementaion (via <use>). They have different goals and different uses. It would be nice for Inkscape to have a Symbols palette eventually, but even when we have it, Clone will remain too. >Do other vector graphics tools behave similarly or do they have Clone >tools? >The Gimp uses the single letter 'C' for Clone (dont know what Adobe >Photoshop uses) which seems reasonable. Gimp and Photoshop are irrelevant - they are bitmap tools, and their "clones" are just copies that are not linked to the original. AFAIK no other vector editors have anything like our live clones. I did suggest this feature to Xara X guys a few years ago, but they told me it was too difficult to implement (obviously it did not fit their internal architecture). It's so deeply satisfying to be able to outperform them now with open source! :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

> > SVG has no > > provisions for linking shape and not linking position. As a first step, I just committed a change which, when transforming a selection, will skip a clone if its original is also selected. This means dragging clones together with their originals no longer does double transform which distorts positions. So far, however, this only works for clones which are not scaled/rotated, so more work is needed. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

>AFIAR Freehand is using Ctrl-C for clone and Ctrl-D for duplicate. Ctrl+C does not Copy?! They likely have not read HIG :) >Yes, that is very great. I was very disappointed when I found out that the >only difference between Clone and Duplicate in Freehand is that >Duplicate moves the duplicated object a bit and Clone does not (or vice >versa). The same was in Corel Draw. IMHO the "duplicate with a shift" is an example of an utterly redundant, "dumbed down" operation - I hope no one will ever come up with a suggestion to implement it in Inkscape :) >BTW Is there a key for making a clone while moving an >object (duplicate works with space)? Not yet, but I thought about enabling space to leave clones, not duplicates. First, this will reduce the file size, and second, clones will be moved in sync with the original, and therefore the chain of clones will behave almost like a stroke. This is not easy to implement, thoough, because currently clones may behave in a rather counterintuitive (although perfectly standard-compliant) ways when the clone is scaled/rotated and the original is then moved, or when both original and clone are selected and moved together. I will try to program special treatment for these situations so they behave more intuitively. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Clone commands + dialogs menu
by bulia byak 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Two new clone commands are added, and the shortcuts are changed to coordinate with Duplicate (Ctrl+D): Alt+D Clone Shift+Alt+D Unlink Clone Shift+D Select Original Also, I eliminated the Dialogs menu moving its commands to other menus. It's more logical this way, with each dialog being close to other commands that deal with the same aspect of the program. The only misplaced command is the Text and Font dialog which is in Edit for now, but later a new Text menu will be added and it will move there. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Total remove of inkscape
by Lucas Vieites 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Hi, I'm one of the guys that had the icon problem with Inkscape 0.38. I want to try and make a completely clean install of the program. What should I remove from my system? - executables - shared files - libs? Where are they all located? On the other hand, is it safe to do this? I mean I think it wouldn't compromise my box's stability Thank you very much for your answers. -- Lucas 'Basurero' Vieites <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática http://www.asixinformatica.com/ Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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deprecation warnings
by MenTaLguY 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

I've deprecated much of the old sp_selection() API; all that remains are tiny inline wrappers that are adaptors for the new API. If the deprecation warnings bother you -- just replace those inline wrappers with their contents at their call sites. e.g. sp_selection_empty(sel) becomes sel->clear() -mental

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constructors and GObject (no!)
by MenTaLguY 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Just a quick note ... I've been getting asked questions about adding C++ constructors and destructors to GObject-based classes. It can be done, e.g. by calling placement new from the GObject _init function (and calling the destructor from _dispose), but that will break in a lot of subtle (and occasionally spectacular) ways. For similar reasons, please don't add virtual methods to such classes; they will break the struct layout and general badness will occur. Be careful about the implications of adding members with non-trivial constructors/destructors to these classes as well.. you will need to call each members' constructors and destructors by hand. There is deep, deep magic involved here. Once GObject is excised from a class (and all its base classes), then things are much better, and pretty much any C++ feature goes. -mental

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Problems with a recent check-in
by Carl Hetherington 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi, With current CVS: 1. Start a new document. 2. Add some text. 3. Resize that text. gives a load of assertion failures and then a segfault. After a cvs up -D 2004-04-19 everything's ok. Cheers Carl

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Colour change action
by Carl Hetherington 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

Hi, Does anyone have any comments to make wrt the discussion going on in bug 937393 in the tracker? Cheers Carl

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www.openclipart.org
by Jonathan Phillips 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

Hello folks, The first version of the website for the Open Clip Art Project (http://www.openclipart.org) is up online and ready for a light beating from you all. Please submit some Public Domain artwork now. For now, please make sure what you are submitting is public domain. Also, please check out the site and feel and reply to the clipart list at clipart@...330... if there is anything you see that should be there and isn't. I'll try and get to changes by the weekend or quicker. The site again: http://www.openclipart.org Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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