July 2005 - Inkscape Devel - Inkscape Mailman

[Fwd: Re: SVG and OpenDocument.]
by Jon Phillips 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

Also, check this forward from someone on the TC. Jon -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Gary Edwards <gary.edwards@...882...> > To: Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...878...> > Cc: Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> > Subject: Re: SVG and OpenDocument. > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:50:07 -0700 > > Hi Daniel, > > I read through the post you mentioned. The best thing to do is submit > a proposal to repair and properly extend the SVG implementation. > Meaning, the best course of action is to not only point out the > problem, but also provide a proposal that can work as the solution. > The solution has to be application independent too. > > >From there it will be discussed briefly by the TC, and then sent to > both the OpenOffice.org and KOffice graphics groups for comment and > testing. Then it comes back to the TC for inclusion in the spec. > > Generally we don't paste anything into the specification until it can > be road tested by a real world implementation. It's one of the things > that makes the OpenDoc XML very unique as a standard. > > I couldn't help but notice that one of the differences between MS XML > and OpenDoc XML is that Microsoft wrote their specifications > specifically for their applications (legacy and current). OpenDoc XML > was written to be both application and platform independent. It was > written to meet the needs of information generated years ago, in > applications and platforms long dead. And it was written so that > information can traverse time in the OpenDoc XML container, to be > useful 200 years from now when there are applications, computational > platforms and informations systems the likes of which we have no idea > of. > > The fact that Microsoft makes such a big deal about the problems of > dealing with the 20 year mess of their own legacy formats screams > loudly that these are not the guys we want to trust with the problems > of moving mankind's knowledge from an unstructured format to one that > is digital, structured and Internet ready. > > ~ge~ > > Daniel Carrera wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > Thank you for the info. I'll ask the developers to write to the TC > > and post specific conversion issues as they find them. > > > > Cheers, > > Daniel. > > > > Gary Edwards wrote: > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > Let me take a look. When the OpenDoc XML TC initially embraced > > > SVG, there were problems. Paul Langille, one of the Corel > > > representatives to the TC, was the driving force behind putting > > > SVG in OpenDoc. Many of the issues he brought up involved the > > > basic problem that SVG was not ready for prime time, being unable > > > to do things like shadows on radial objects. What we agreed on > > > was to adopt SVG wherever we could, and implement new SVG elements > > > and attributes as they evolved. This strategy backfired though. > > > The W3C SVG Workgroup ended up accusing us of writing our own SVg > > > implementations, and using our own namespaces. Michael Brauer, > > > the OpenDoc XML Chairman, went to great lengths to appease their > > > concerns and assure them that we would do whatever it takes to > > > keep our specification in sync with their work. It doesn't > > > surprise me that there are problems. > > > > > > I'll read through the list and see what i can see. One suggestion > > > is that whenever someone finds a problem with the OpenDoc XML spec > > > implementation, they can and should post a comment directly to the > > > General Public List. This list is distributed directly to all > > > OpenDoc XML TC members, (both active and observer status) as well > > > as anyone else who has an interest in OpenDoc and has subscribed. > > > The list is at: > > > office-comment@...676... > > > > > > I can assure you that every post to this forum is discussed by the > > > OpenDoc XML TC. > > > > > > OBTW, have you taken a look at the most recent blog by Brian > > > Jones? > > > http://blogs.msdn.com/brian_jones/default.aspx > > > > > > He's posted a sample of the MS XML v2 file format. I'm wondering > > > if anyone has tried an XSLT transformation to test conformance and > > > interoperability with OpenDoc XML? Conformance testing, and > > > coming up with some kind of compliance - interoperability rating > > > for import and export transformations remains an important issue > > > for the OpenDoc TC. Sadly it seems there wasn't much interest at > > > OOo Marketing in getting involved with this important issue. Oh > > > well. When the private sector moves in to fill this gap, as they > > > most assuredly will, there will likely be much weeping and > > > wailing. > > > ~ge~ > > > -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org)

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Bug status for Inkscape 0.42 release
by Bryce Harrington 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

There's still a few more days before we officially kick off the bug fixing phase of the 0.42 release, however I'm going to start posting bug stats. For the 0.40 release we set a target of 150 points worth of bugs, but hit 360 points by the time we stopped counting. Pretty damn cool. :-) For this release, I'd like to up the challenge by setting our target to 300 points. We did it before without breaking much of a sweat, and we have over 200 bugs open currently, so I think this will challenge us to really beef up Inkscape's quality for this coming release. Once we've achieved the 300 point total, we'll doublecheck the list of critical bugs and identify ones that must be fixed. Hopefully we can close enough of these early that this will be a very short list. Bryce Bug ID Pts Title ------------------------------------------------------------------------ None yet! ======================================================================== Total: 0 Goal: 300pts

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FAQ - More questions needed
by Bryce Harrington 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

Recently we've been augmenting the FAQ with a few more questions: http://www.inkscape.org/faq.php Can you look and try to think of additional questions that should go there? (Bonus points if you also happen to know the answer!) Bryce

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Build test report
by Bryce Harrington 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

All clean. = Analysis Report for inkscape = Platform Unpack Config Build Install WRNS ERRS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ debian x86 2 0 0 Test Status Score Info ------------------------------------------------------------------------ sut-1 ?? == Errors == none == Warnings == none

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Submitted patch for ruler drawing bug (1236819)
by Kaushik Sridharan 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

Hello all, I have just submitted a patch for bug 1236819, which has to do with odd lines appearing on the ruler at high zoom levels. I have tested the fix only on the Linux build (on Ubuntu). I am very new to Linux and to Open Source development; this is in fact my first patch submission. Please do let me know if I have followed the correct procedures. Thank you, -K

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Idea: Website header competition
by Jonathan Leighton 12 Jul '05

12 Jul '05

Ages ago Bulia suggested that it would be a really good idea to have a more artistic header image for the Inkscape website. Given the success of the About Screen contest, I think an excellent and easy way to get such a header image would be to stage a similar competition. Does that sound like a good idea? Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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Presentations at DesktopCon
by Bryce Harrington 12 Jul '05

12 Jul '05

Both the Open Clip Art Library and Inkscape will be presented at the Desktop Developers' Conference in Ottawa next week, July 18-19: http://www.desktopcon.org/2005/view_abstract.php?content_key=18 http://www.desktopcon.org/2005/view_abstract.php?content_key=4 Bryce

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win32 compilation error
by Joshua A. Andler 12 Jul '05

12 Jul '05

Compiling on win32 is slightly broken at the moment. When it's going through the "doc" dir, msgfmt.exe gives an error dialog about intl.dll missing, and it errors out the compilation. The error in the console is: make[1]: Entering directory `C:/cvs/inkscape/inkscape/po' c:\gtk26\bin\msgfmt -o am.mo am.po make[1]: *** [am.mo] Error -1073741515 I can still run the build since the exe and dlls are taken care of prior to the docs in the compiling process. I figured I'd point it out anyway though since the build doesn't complete. -Josh

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Do we really need g77?
by Wolfram Quester 12 Jul '05

12 Jul '05

Hi, every time I run configure I wonder if we really need g77. Should this check be removed? checking for powerpc-linux-gnu-g77... powerpc-linux-gnu-g77 checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... yes checking whether powerpc-linux-gnu-g77 accepts -g... yes checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 32768 BTW, a debian package of 0.42pre0 will be uploaded soon. With best wishes, Wolfi

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Nightly build service
by mike＠...869... 12 Jul '05

12 Jul '05

> I can remember what they are and perhaps we can finish my tutoring. That > "ABI" message comes to mind, as well as static linking. Yeah, for now don't worry about that, I'm making sure Inkscape isn't affected by the ABI problems for now. The good news is that real C++ support (based on binary deltas and double compiling) is in CVS, and 1.2 is shaping up nicely for a release in the next few months. Basically, as long as you can build the current packages nightly builds aren't too difficult, it just requires a build server. thanks -mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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