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non-recursive makefile: last chance for objections
by Peter Moulder 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Proposal: Switch to a single makefile in src/ that includes all the stuff previously in src/**/Makefile.am. Top-level makefile continues to be recursive make. This simplifies data installation, and the benefits of changing aren't much for directories outside of src/**. Use automake's `include' directive on blah/Makefile_insert. Most existing blah/Makefile.am content goes to blah/Makefile_insert, e.g. blah_libblah_a_{CPPFLAGS,SOURCES,LDFLAGS,LDADD}. Some "global" variable definitions move to src/Makefile.am: noinst_LIBRARIES, DISTCLEANFILES, EXTRA_DIST, EXTRA_PROGRAMS, TESTS, check_PROGRAMS. INCLUDES/AM_CPPFLAGS become e.g. blah_libblah_a_CPPFLAGS (i.e. per-target instead of per-directory). "Local" variable definitions (e.g. used for conditional compilation, e.g. win32_sources) go in src/blah/Makefile_insert, and acquire a `blah_' prefix. (The win32_sources variable from src/Makefile.am goes to src/Makefile_insert with no added prefix.) src/Makefile.am contains: + include blah/Makefile_insert + Definitions for the aforementioned "global" variables. + dist-hook rule. Advantages: + Can depend on things from other directories. E.g. some files in display/ depend on helper/sp-marshal.h having been built, and various */*-test programs depend on libraries in other directories (previously hacked with a `check-recursive: all-recursive' dependency in src/Makefile.am). + Compilation is expected to be faster: - Fewer invocations of automake and make. - Better parallelization is possible with make -j / make -l (e.g. when using distcc). However, making CPPFLAGS per-target means much longer generated Makefile content. I haven't yet done timing tests (underway). Disadvantages: + All files mentioned in the makefile fragments need to specify their directory. E.g. if blah/Makefile.am used to contain libblah_a_SOURCES = \ foo.cpp foo.h then blah/Makefile_insert will now contain blah_libblah_a_SOURCES = \ blah/foo.cpp \ blah/foo.h Any other advantages/disadvantages? Checks to be done before switching: + `make install' creates same directory tree. - Done. Some differences in the inkscape/inkview executable files, all other files bytewise-identical. + `make check' works. - Done. Works. Hmm, haven't checked that all expected checks are getting run. + `make check' works immediately after `make clean'. - Not yet checked. + `make distcheck' works. - Not yet checked. Any other checks to be done? pjrm.

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] CVS file permissions
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

>I committed a new file (tutorial-basic.fr.svg) to the CVS, but after >committing I realized that the file permissions only allow root to >read the file: > >-rw------- 1 root root 230925 apr 23 21:20 tutorial-basic.fr.svg > >So my question is: after a chmod + commit, will the permissions of the >file in CVS change appropriately? I don't know the real answer, but I checked it out and it had the exact same permissions as the other tutorial files. So perhaps this is OK. I did some cosmetic changes to the French tutorial (mostly, spaced out sections a bit more). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Clone Bug?
by Michael Wheeler 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Clone command
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

>I was going to comment on the shortcut too! > >Developers will probably want to reserve Ctrl+Shift+N for New Layer or New >from Template, which is the kind of thing that shortcut is normally used >for. I changed that already, see my yesterday's mail. >Adobe Illustrator doesn't seem to have anything directly analagous to a >Clone tool. The way it works in Adobe Illustrator seems to be that you >make a symbol of something first and then you use the Symbol tools, namely >the Symbol Sprayer which has the keybinding Shift+S. I dont know how you >plan to implement things in the future but you may want to reconsider the >current design if it will inevitably need to be changed later. Hmmm. It's not often (yet) that we beat AI on something, and now that we've done it, you suggest that we drop it for compatibility? :) The Symbols facility and the Clone command are entirely different, even if they will use the same internal implementaion (via <use>). They have different goals and different uses. It would be nice for Inkscape to have a Symbols palette eventually, but even when we have it, Clone will remain too. >Do other vector graphics tools behave similarly or do they have Clone >tools? >The Gimp uses the single letter 'C' for Clone (dont know what Adobe >Photoshop uses) which seems reasonable. Gimp and Photoshop are irrelevant - they are bitmap tools, and their "clones" are just copies that are not linked to the original. AFAIK no other vector editors have anything like our live clones. I did suggest this feature to Xara X guys a few years ago, but they told me it was too difficult to implement (obviously it did not fit their internal architecture). It's so deeply satisfying to be able to outperform them now with open source! :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

> > SVG has no > > provisions for linking shape and not linking position. As a first step, I just committed a change which, when transforming a selection, will skip a clone if its original is also selected. This means dragging clones together with their originals no longer does double transform which distorts positions. So far, however, this only works for clones which are not scaled/rotated, so more work is needed. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

>AFIAR Freehand is using Ctrl-C for clone and Ctrl-D for duplicate. Ctrl+C does not Copy?! They likely have not read HIG :) >Yes, that is very great. I was very disappointed when I found out that the >only difference between Clone and Duplicate in Freehand is that >Duplicate moves the duplicated object a bit and Clone does not (or vice >versa). The same was in Corel Draw. IMHO the "duplicate with a shift" is an example of an utterly redundant, "dumbed down" operation - I hope no one will ever come up with a suggestion to implement it in Inkscape :) >BTW Is there a key for making a clone while moving an >object (duplicate works with space)? Not yet, but I thought about enabling space to leave clones, not duplicates. First, this will reduce the file size, and second, clones will be moved in sync with the original, and therefore the chain of clones will behave almost like a stroke. This is not easy to implement, thoough, because currently clones may behave in a rather counterintuitive (although perfectly standard-compliant) ways when the clone is scaled/rotated and the original is then moved, or when both original and clone are selected and moved together. I will try to program special treatment for these situations so they behave more intuitively. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Clone commands + dialogs menu
by bulia byak 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Two new clone commands are added, and the shortcuts are changed to coordinate with Duplicate (Ctrl+D): Alt+D Clone Shift+Alt+D Unlink Clone Shift+D Select Original Also, I eliminated the Dialogs menu moving its commands to other menus. It's more logical this way, with each dialog being close to other commands that deal with the same aspect of the program. The only misplaced command is the Text and Font dialog which is in Edit for now, but later a new Text menu will be added and it will move there. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Total remove of inkscape
by Lucas Vieites 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Hi, I'm one of the guys that had the icon problem with Inkscape 0.38. I want to try and make a completely clean install of the program. What should I remove from my system? - executables - shared files - libs? Where are they all located? On the other hand, is it safe to do this? I mean I think it wouldn't compromise my box's stability Thank you very much for your answers. -- Lucas 'Basurero' Vieites <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática http://www.asixinformatica.com/ Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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deprecation warnings
by MenTaLguY 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

I've deprecated much of the old sp_selection() API; all that remains are tiny inline wrappers that are adaptors for the new API. If the deprecation warnings bother you -- just replace those inline wrappers with their contents at their call sites. e.g. sp_selection_empty(sel) becomes sel->clear() -mental

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constructors and GObject (no!)
by MenTaLguY 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Just a quick note ... I've been getting asked questions about adding C++ constructors and destructors to GObject-based classes. It can be done, e.g. by calling placement new from the GObject _init function (and calling the destructor from _dispose), but that will break in a lot of subtle (and occasionally spectacular) ways. For similar reasons, please don't add virtual methods to such classes; they will break the struct layout and general badness will occur. Be careful about the implications of adding members with non-trivial constructors/destructors to these classes as well.. you will need to call each members' constructors and destructors by hand. There is deep, deep magic involved here. Once GObject is excised from a class (and all its base classes), then things are much better, and pretty much any C++ feature goes. -mental

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Problems with a recent check-in
by Carl Hetherington 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi, With current CVS: 1. Start a new document. 2. Add some text. 3. Resize that text. gives a load of assertion failures and then a segfault. After a cvs up -D 2004-04-19 everything's ok. Cheers Carl

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Colour change action
by Carl Hetherington 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

Hi, Does anyone have any comments to make wrt the discussion going on in bug 937393 in the tracker? Cheers Carl

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www.openclipart.org
by Jonathan Phillips 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

Hello folks, The first version of the website for the Open Clip Art Project (http://www.openclipart.org) is up online and ready for a light beating from you all. Please submit some Public Domain artwork now. For now, please make sure what you are submitting is public domain. Also, please check out the site and feel and reply to the clipart list at clipart@...330... if there is anything you see that should be there and isn't. I'll try and get to changes by the weekend or quicker. The site again: http://www.openclipart.org Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fixes to save as on win32
by bulia byak 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

>- Should the two different exports be different menu items? Perhaps: >"Export Document" and "Export Selection"? Bitmap export has a switch for this on the export dialog. It's pretty convenient. If we implement exporting a selection into a vector format, it should be similar IMHO. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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[Fwd: [Sodipodi-list] ill2svg.pl add text support]
by Jonathan Phillips 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: Tuukka Pasanen <tuukka.pasanen@...327...> > To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Sodipodi-list] ill2svg.pl add text support > Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:14:38 +0300 > > Hi, > I hacked that ill2svg.pl script to allow one to get texts from illustrator > file and convert them to SVG. Actually it works fine for me (Works for > me(tm)) as i can see. > Next i'll check how to get those inline images out of there. There also > few hacks that should be done much more nicely. > But if you find it usefull test it;) > > Tuukka -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Another valgrind error
by Carl Hetherington 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

Hi, Another error that valgrind has spotted is the unitialised indices 4 and 5 in the NR::Matrix tp at the top of matrix_is_isometry() (nr-arena-shape.cpp:362). Should I fix this here, or would it be better to make the NR::Matrix default constructor zero-init its members? Cheers Carl

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Clone command
by bulia byak 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

After a small fix, I decided that svg:use is now sufficiently usable. So I created a new command, Clone (Shift+Ctrl+N), that creates a clone of the selected object(s). A clone is the Inkscape term for the svg:use object. This is similar to a duplicate, except that it's linked back to its original. You can move/scale/rotate/skew/flip each clone independently, but all other aspects (fill, stroke, path, etc) of a clone are dynamically updated from the original if the original is changed. For example, you can draw a petal, create several clones of it, position them into a flower, and node-edit the original petal - all the clone petals will be updated automatically so that the flower remains symmetric at all times. This feature is basically usable, but still experiemental, and not expected to work properly in all possible situations. I will continue to improve it. Comments welcome. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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vim hints
by Kees Cook 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

Say, there are a lot of files in the tree with vim hints at the bottom. (I think these are from Ted?) I'd like to change them to drop the "filetype=c++" part. That seems to break my vim and uncolorizes everything. I think it's breaking the autodetection. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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valgrind problems with livarot
by Carl Hetherington 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

Hi, As I think has been discussed, valgrind has a few complaints about livarot. Most of these are fixed with the following patch: Index: src/livarot/ShapeRaster.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/livarot/ShapeRaster.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 ShapeRaster.cpp --- src/livarot/ShapeRaster.cpp 1 Apr 2004 00:16:12 -0000 1.7 +++ src/livarot/ShapeRaster.cpp 19 Apr 2004 00:22:24 -0000 @@ -1754,6 +1754,7 @@ } swrData[no].calcX=swrData[no].curX+(to-step-swrData[no].curY)*swrData[no].dxdy; swrData[no].guess=-1; + swrData[no].misc = NULL; } void Shape::DestroyEdge(int /*no*/,float /*to*/,float /*step*/) { Would anyone with valgrind like to verify this? More importantly, could a livarot expert (fred?) take a look and see if this patch is sensible? The problems seem to stem from swrData[...].misc being uninitialised, but it could be that this value should be set somewhere else. In that case, my patch would probably just cover up a bug rather than fixing it. Cheers Carl

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keyboard shortcuts
by Artemio 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

Hello all! Currently, if one switches to Russian or Ukrainian keyboard layout, keyboard shortcuts stop working. So when you type Russian text in Inkscape and then want to edit font/fill/etc. properties, you have to switch back to English, press Shift-Ctrl+T(F) and then switch back to previous layout and so on. I'm using a en_GB:en locale - is this a problem? Anyway, whether this is the reason or not, I think keyboard shortcuts should work with any layout and with any inkscape locale. I can help you with mapping proper keys on the keyboard for Russian and Ukrainian layouts, just let me know. Artemio. -- http://artemio.net/exp ::: Artemio's hot sound tweaks [local time 21:35:26 (GMT +3) 18 April 2004] [system uptime 3 hr 11 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Embedding raster images
by Jonathan Phillips 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

This sounds like a great idea. You should file a new feature request here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=93438&atid=604309 Jon On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 05:53, Artemio wrote: > On Sunday 18 April 2004 14:07, Aewyn Vienna wrote: > > Is there any way to embed pictures (png, others) into svg files? > > Now -as I know- it makes only a link in svg files, so it is hard job to > > manage all files for one svg. > AFAIK, SVG standard itself allows embedding images and fonts inside. It's all > about encoding the file data (with base64 as I remember) and placing it > inside the SVG file, and then referring to this data instead of a file, so I > think someday our great Inkscape guys will make this possbile ;-) > > > Artemio. -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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recursive balls (per the conference room topic)
by MenTaLguY 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

Thinking about it, we need to either lose the recursive balls, or make them larger. At the moment, because they are so small, unless you zoom in they look like a display glitch. On the other hand, if they were made larger, it would be necessary to make some tweaks to account for e.g. interreflection and caustics. So it's probably best to do without. The single sphere just looks really darn cool anyway. No sense in overkilling it. ^_- -mental

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stock items API proposal
by MenTaLguY 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

During discussion with John today, we came up with this proposal for a general way of dealing with stock library items: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?StockLibraryInterface Look good to everyone? -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Translation comments
by bulia byak 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

> > Fill: winding / alternating > > > > (winding is nonzero, alternating is evenodd) > > > > Googling for "alternating fill" and "winding fill" shows these are > > frequently used terms to describe these two fill methods. > >Hmm, I like this terminology. Good for me, too. Now, Arpad, we also need a tooltip for this thing. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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April 15th Inkscape Status
by Bryce Harrington 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

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printing
by Kees Cook 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

So, since I am now printing from inkscape every week, the "print" dialog has started to bother me. I'd like to replace it with the gnomeprint dialog. I've started doing some digging to understand the print subsystem in inkscape, and started taking some random notes here: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PrintingSubsystem Basically, libgnomeprint gives us an "Output" and "Delivery" system. We already have an internal PS "Output" system, and that's fine, since it seems that libgnomeprint is happy to co-exist with other output systems. The major change I want to make it to use libgnomeprintui to handle the dialog portion, which is very cool since it'll gather all the configuration information needed during the "Output" phase (page size, orientation, destination, etc). Then the Output runs, and finally, it gets delivered for us. I think this would let us throw out all the print dialog and print delivery code and just rely on libgnomeprint without having to implement all their moveto and stroke stuff. And from what I can tell, it will work under windows too, although I'd have to test it. :) Does anyone have modern build instructions for windows? The Wiki seems out of date. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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Fixes to save as on win32
by Carl Hetherington 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

Hi, I just committed a patch to allow save as PS/EPS on Win32. I'd be grateful if any Windows-ers could test it. It looks like the fileTypes parameter to the FileOpenDialog and FileSaveDialog constructors is now not required. Perhaps it should be removed? Cheers Carl

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Introduction to the Inkscape 0.39 Pango Rearchitecting Effort
by Bryce Harrington 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

As most of you know, the principle focus for the 0.39 release is slated to be "Pangoification". While we expect that there's going to be a number of new features, bug fixes, code cleanups, etc. our project's top objective for this release is to replace libnrtype with Pango. This of course brings up the questions, "Huh? Pango? Libnrtype? Whazzalat?" The following document provides a broad overview to this effort, explaining what Libnrtype and Pango are and what we gain by replacing the former by the latter. It's hoped that this will serve as an easy orientation into this work for those of us who don't know a lot about fonts but may be interested in lending a hand. http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Pangoification (If you spot any inaccuracies, don't be shy about clicking edit and fix it up!) Bryce

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perspective distortions
by bulia byak 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

I wrote a plan for implementing perspective distortions in Inkscape: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PerspectiveObject I think it shapes out well and should not be too difficult to implement. Still, I may have missed something. Please comment by editing the Wiki page. Use :, ::, etc at the beginning of line to indent your comments. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Translation comments
by bulia byak 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

> > If you have no objections, could you please commit these fixes? > >I modified gradient-selector.cpp according to your proposal. Please >check the modifications, because this is the first time I touched the >Inkscape sources. No errors found :) Thanks. I just slightly reworded my own tooltips. I think we need to do the same Plain-English-ization of the Fill rule list. Suggestions? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Feedback on 0.38 Release
by Bob Jamison 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

Daniel Díaz wrote: >I'm sorry, don't get it... > >A4 == letter size? If so, what's the name for that 8.5"x11"-sized paper? >That's the on we refer to as letter ("carta" in Spanish.) > > Daniel, I mean that "letter" is defined by a lot of us as 8.5x11inches. It is that size in North America. But not for everybody. It is like cultural chauvanism. Like when Chris Rock was a kid, and pulled a "flesh" colored crayon from a Crayola box, and it was pink. ;-) Yes, it is not on the Preferences panel. It should be. Bob p.s.: I'm done with spamming the list now! I am now caught up with my mail list duties. Have been away for a few days.

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markers dropdowns
by John Cliff 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

Hi guys, Looking at the logs from the chatroom, it seems the marker selection dropdowns are crashing inkscape on you guys? I knew the previews didnt work (which is why i disabled them) but I didnt realise the menus themselves were killing the prog. Is it giving any messages? They work fine for me here on windows, so I'm not sure whats going on. (or how to go about fixing a problem on a platform i dont have access to.) some feedback would be appreciated. Cheers John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Grid-related patches
by bulia byak 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

>One strange behavior still exists, and this just might be "by design". >In "Dialogs / Document Preferences / Grid" if I switch "Snap units" from >"px" to anything else (or back), the "Snap distance" stays the same. If >I change "Snap units" from anything not "px" to anything else not "px", >unit conversion is performed. Is this just a "feature" of the pixel >unit? Looks like bug to me. Whatever these px units are, they cannot be screen pixels, and therefore must have a constant coefficient for unit conversions. The only units without such a coefficient are "unit units", percent, em, and ex. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Feedback on 0.38 Release
by bulia byak 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

>Is there any way to set Letter as the default paper size? I also want to >get rid of the 'pt' units -- It would certainly be better to recall >those settings instead of changing them on every session of Inkscape. We need to support arbitrary new document templates. It's been in our plans for some time. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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More 0.38 release pickups
by Bryce Harrington 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/news/article.php?story=20040412052124104 (no comments) http://www.hup.hu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5782 (Hungarian) (no comments) http://www.linux.org.ru/view-message.jsp?msgid=527971&scroll=section&back= (Russian) (lots of comments, no clue what they say) http://linuxclub.by/index.php?p=159 (Russian) (no comments) http://linuxfr.org/2004/04/14/15993.html "one true massacre of bugs" (French) (lots of comments) Babelfish: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr?url=http%3A//linuxfr.org/2004/0… Bryce

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Linuxartist pickup
by Bryce Harrington 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

http://www.linuxartist.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=281

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Plan for Inkscape 0.39
by Bryce Harrington 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

Inkscape 0.39 Development ------------------------- With 0.38.1 now out the door, focus can turn to the next coming release. This development cycle will be more like the 0.36 release, in that the objective is to implement a lot of cool new features. Any and all new features are most welcome, but the primary thing to get implemented is to convert our font system to Pango. For the 0.38 release we measured our progress by counting bugs closed. For this release we track progress by tasks getting marked completed. When the tasks are completed, 0.39 can be cut. So if you'd like to lend a hand to this release, please review the following task list for something you'd like to sign up for. Sign up for the task in Wik (or just let me know off-list): http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Roadmap Milestone 5 - Pango Architectural Change - Inkscape 0.39 ======================================================== * Adopt Pango for handling fonts * Redo text editing and text style handling * Develop GTKMM mockup/ideas for the Preferences dialog * Consider trimming ChangeLog (currently ~370 KB) * Create new cursor icons [rejon] * Finish moving tool options to 2ndary palette + move arc tool options to 2ndary palette (code in src/toolbox.cpp) [rejon] + Remove tool options dialogue and code from project [bulia] * Incorporate (or reject) all patches posted to patch tracker * Change the SEGV and SIGABRT handlers to reliably autosave and put up a crash dialog * Write an extensions/plugin enhancement proposal(s) and post to mailing list for review * Add Pango as an optional dependency for Inkscape & test on our various target platforms * Modify widgets/font-selector.cpp to use Pango font new/ref/deref function as a compile-time option * Modify dialogs/text-edit.cpp to use Pango font new/ref/deref function as a compile-time option * Modify display/nr-arena-glyphs to use Pango font functions as a compile-time option * Create replacements for sp-text.cpp and sp-chars.cpp that uses Pango instead of libnrtype as compile time option * Test removal of libnrtype from Inkscape's Makefile & see what it breaks * Make Pango a required dependency for Inkscape & remove compile-time option scaffolding * Straighten out global vs. user resource files (create /etc/inkscape/ with appropriate files) * Implement preliminary support for iso & hex grid [njh] * Fix svg:use support, create the Clone command [bb] * Implement "scale stroke" switch * Ensure when copying, that 'image/png' and/or 'image/svg' get on the system clipboard * Review & plan out replacement of sp-file.* + Implement backup functionalty for documents and preferences.xml, ideally with versioning like in Emacs * Replace calls to arikkei string/tokenizing routines in libnrtype/ with standard glib functions & remove libarikkei * Improve freehand curve smoothness [pjrm, paraprax] Inkscape Experimental * Implement tests of Inkscape against the W3C test suite (0.37 loads 95% correctly without animations) [bryce]

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opacity change?
by Kees Cook 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

Did the default object opacity change? I swear elipses were a little see-through yesterday, but this morning's build they're not. Am I crazy? -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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gtkmm
by MenTaLguY 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

Just a quick note that, in preparation for the XML and layers dialog work, I've added a ./configure test for gtkmm (2.0+). We've been talking about it long enough, and now that the bug fix release is finally out the door I think it should make life enormously easier for the next round of feature work. -mental

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Feedback on 0.38 Release
by Bryce Harrington 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

One of the artists at work dragged me into his cube with questions after downloading and installing Inkscape 0.38. In between his gushing over the features that were in there, he made some good observations about things that'd help usability: * Default font for text was too small when at the (default) full-size page view. * The context menu for text should include a link to the Text and Font dialog. * Changing font color should be easier to access via the context menu and/or the text and font properties dialog. * The zoom mouse cursor shows a '+' when zooming in. It should show a '-' when you're zooming out (shift-mouse click) * It would be handy to have a way to select objects "under" the object on top. E.g., a modifier to the left mouse click that would cause it to select the next object down in the stack for each click. * When you select 2+ objects and right click, having access to some of the 'Align' and/or 'Boolean' commands could be helpful. * When you're editing a multi-stop gradient and then close the dialog and do 'undo's, it appears to undo each individual edit to the gradient rather than just undoing the entire editing transaction. He also had a bunch of suggestions for features, most all of which are already captured in RFE's, but here's a couple that I think are new: * There should be a way to not only convert a text object into a node object, but also to convert the individual letters in the text object to separate text or node objects. * Pasting text from open office to inkscape or vice versa. * Paste style is very cool and works as expected. Some sort of 'paste size' might also be useful, if you want to force a range of shapes to have exactly the same dimensions. Let me know if these sound ok, and I'll add RFE's for them later this week. Bryce

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Translation comments
by bulia byak 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

> "gradientUnits" --> "coordinate base" I propose: Coordinates: user space / object And add a tooltip for those who know SVG: "Whether the gradient vector is defined in the coordinates of the user space (gradientUnits=\"userSpaceOnUse\") or relative to the object's bounding box (gradientUnits=\"objectBoundingBox\")" > "gradientSpread" --> "repetition mode" I propose: Repeat: none / direct / reflected Tooltip: "Whether to fill with flat color beyond the ends of the gradient vector (spreadMethod=\"pad\"), or repeat the gradient in the same direction (spreadMethod=\"repeat\"), or repeat the gradient in alternating directions (spreadMethod=\"reflect\")" If you have no objections, could you please commit these fixes? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] The messed up icon issue
by Kees Cook 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 08:02:58PM +0200, Lucas Vieites wrote: > Well, I'm sorry but it seems I'm out to confuse you. How can I gather > all the output from ./configure & make & make install? Just in case that > could be helpful. > I am running Suse 9.0 with Ximian Gnome and notthing really weird. Wow. Okay, then I sure hope we can figure this out, because that's a pretty common platform. :) Try this script: #!/bin/bash ( ./autogen.sh && \ ./configure && \ make distclean && \ ./configure && \ make && \ make install && \ which inkscape ) 2>&1 >/tmp/inkscape.out And then send the "inkscape.out" file to me (rather than to the whole list: it'll be a big file). Also, check the icon behavior after this build, just for fun. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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The messed up icon issue
by Lucas Vieites 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

Hi, I finally have the time to do what Kees Cook suggested. I updated my local cvs dir just now and did "./autogen.sh", which throws at the end: ---output--- checking for autoconf >= 2.52 ... yes (version 2.57) checking for automake >= 1.6 ... yes (version 1.7.6) checking for glib-gettextize >= 2.0.0 ... yes (version 2.2.3) checking for intltool >= 0.17 ... yes (version 0.27.2) Copying file po/Makefile.in.in Please add the files codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 progtest.m4 from the /opt/gnome/share/aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory or directly to your aclocal.m4 file. You will also need config.guess and config.sub, which you can get from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/config/. patching file po/Makefile.in.in ---/output--- What should I do? Where do I copy the files from /opt/gnome/share/aclocal to? If I do "make distclean" it says: ---Quote--- make: *** No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `distclean'. Alto. ---/Quote... Which means: There ain't no such thing as 'distclean' bro. or similar. Suggestions? Thank you for yoru efforts, -- Lucas 'Basurero' Vieites <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática http://www.asixinformatica.com/ Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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gcc version >= 3
by Kees Cook 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

Since it looks like folks decided to enforce a gcc version (according to the closed bug report on this), I went ahead and implemented a test for version 3 or better in "configure". -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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Grid-related patches
by Carl Hetherington 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

Hi, I've just put a couple of grid-related patches in the tracker; I mention them here in case anyone wants to disagree ;-) 1. Anchor points are snapped to the grid; otherwise when you're drawing a line with the pen tool you get every point except the first snapped to the grid, which seems a little odd. 2. Resolve the issue whereby changing grid snap units from pixels to mm is not noticed. Fuller explanation is in the comments I added and in the patch tracker. My other grid-related problem is that pasting a snapped object results in the pasted version not being snapped to the grid. I plan to fix this so that pasted objects are placed such that their points have the same offset from the nearest grid points as the original. Any objections? Cheers Carl

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] bug handling
by bulia byak 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

>say, is there any kind of "method" we should follow when going over >people's bug reports, patches, etc? I didn't find anything in the Wiki >about it. 1. Do not close an unreproducible bug unless a reasonable amount of effort is put into reproducing it, and let it rot for some time before closing - someone may come up with a better report in comments. 2. Clarify. If it took you some time to guess what it's about, take another second to reword the title or add a comment, to make it obvious to whoever will be reading the tracker after you (especially if it's the person who can fix it) . 3. Document your solution. When closing a bug as fixed, add a comment about how you did it (especially what files changed and what to look for in these files). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Text in PS output
by Carl Hetherington 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

Hi, Does anyone happen to know why Inkscape prints text to PS using curves, rather than just a standard text object? Is it because of font substitution problems, or something? Cheers Carl

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Win32-inkscape38-1
by herve couvelard 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

Hello I download the .exe and install it on a winxp machine. All went fine except for a user called marieJosé. inkscape do not like the "è" in the user $home : inkscape.exe 2248 invalid utf8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text(). when starting (i think it comes with loading/writing prefs files. well it start ok but i would like to avoid that message, if possible i tried with another user (me) herve and inkscape start fine. i tried to copy my prefs files in the inkscape directory the message remained. i looked in the prefs file to see any mention of $home and didn(t found one). Is there a way to avoid it ? hervé

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Another grid-related question.
by Carl Hetherington 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

Hi, When you draw a path using the pen with the grid enabled, the centre of the resulting path is snapped to the grid. However if you then drag that path around (using the select tool), the /edge/ of the path starts snapping to the grid. For my purposes I'd say that snap should always be to the centre of the path, but I can imagine that others might want to snap to the edge of it. Any thoughts? Carl

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bug handling
by Kees Cook 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

say, is there any kind of "method" we should follow when going over people's bug reports, patches, etc? I didn't find anything in the Wiki about it. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] short cut lingo?
by bulia byak 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

>In "keys.xml", under the "Offsets" shortcuts, it shows "Ctrl (", >"Alt (", and "Shift Alt (". > >To generate a "Ctrl (" you need to press shift... but the other command >makes a distinction. > >Two solutions: > >change keys.xml to say "Ctrl 9" >change short cuts to handle "Ctrl 9" as well as "Ctrl (" (which is what >the "Alt (" shortcut does. Yes, I thought about that. The problem is that not all keyboards have 9 and ( on the same key. In Europe, numeric and punctuation keys are usually laid out differently. But I think I will do the second solution above as the "lesser evil", unless anyone can come up with something better. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] marker orientation
by bulia byak 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

> > btw, I've been calling all the markers that I've been > > putting in markers.svg INK_mWhateverName to try and > > minimize the chances of confilcting with peoples own > > markers, Seem reasonable to y'all? > >Sounds good to me. I wonder if we'd want to use this >as a convention for other things like gradients? Since these are user-visible names, they must be as plain and straightforward as possible. So just "WhateverName" is much better. To a user, "INK_" is redundant because he knows the markers come with Inkscape, and "m" is redundant because they are shown as markers to him. If he's creating his own markers (which only a minorilty will do anyway), he can use any prefixes, but I think just using all-lowercase names will be enough to set apart user-create markers from the predefined ones. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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short cut lingo?
by Kees Cook 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

In "keys.xml", under the "Offsets" shortcuts, it shows "Ctrl (", "Alt (", and "Shift Alt (". To generate a "Ctrl (" you need to press shift... but the other command makes a distinction. Two solutions: change keys.xml to say "Ctrl 9" change short cuts to handle "Ctrl 9" as well as "Ctrl (" (which is what the "Alt (" shortcut does. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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marker orientation
by John Cliff 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

Hi guys, Bit of a conundrum, which way is the end marker on a curve meant to point? if I've got a curve thus ---------------- and I apply the same arrow marker to each end should I end up with a) <-------------> or b) <-------------< ? I've read the spec, and cant work it out. I looked at the test cases, however they use triangles aligned like this V------V which look the same with both options a + b, so its not very helpful. batik renders b, so thats how I've done it currently, however I just wanted to be sure. (inkscape was rendering them as per option a before.) Let me know what your thoughts are Cheers John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Grid-related patches
by bulia byak 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

>1. Anchor points are snapped to the grid; otherwise when you're drawing a >line with the pen tool you get every point except the first snapped to the >grid, which seems a little odd. I don't normally use grid, but the description of the patch sounds OK to me. Please someone test and apply. >2. Resolve the issue whereby changing grid snap units from pixels to mm >is not noticed. Fuller explanation is in the comments I added and in the >patch tracker. Ditto. >My other grid-related problem is that pasting a snapped object results in >the pasted version not being snapped to the grid. I plan to fix this so >that pasted objects are placed such that their points have the same offset >from the nearest grid points as the original. Any objections? I think this will be useful too. Carl, I can give you developer CVS access if you want it, to make it easier to patch things. You'll still be able to post patches you're not sure about to the tracker first, but otherwise you can write to the tree directly. Let me know. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Feedback on 0.38 Release
by bulia byak 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

>Does undo work with the gradient dialog open? Because it makes sense to >be able to undo each gradient change while you have the dialog open... Udo works whenever a change is made. Doing anything only "while the dialog is open" is a very bad idea, since our dialogs are not modal and can stay open for arbitrarily long time, with the actions in the dialog intermingled with other actions on the canvas or in other dialogs. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Win32 build fix.
by Carl Hetherington 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

Hi, Attached is a patch which removes references to extension/menu.h from src/make.dep and src/make.files. It also adds extension/internal/eps-out.o to make.ofiles. I'm guessing that these files are in CVS for the windows build, and are not supposed to be auto-generated... Cheers Carl

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"README" updating?
by Kees Cook 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

This is from the current README: It does not yet handle following svg shapes: - circle Is this right? The XML editor shows it a circle as "path", so I guess this is true. Is this a major missing feature? -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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what happend to the icons.svg (to: nemies) ??
by Adib Taraben 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

most of the buttons meeased up. Adib.

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Feedback on 0.38 Release
by bulia byak 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

>* Default font for text was too small when at the (default) full-size > page view. No problem. Feel free to change. >* The context menu for text should include a link to the Text and Font > dialog. OK with me. I just never use context menu, so someone else would need to do that. >* Changing font color should be easier to access via the context menu > and/or the text and font properties dialog. There's no "font color" in Inkscape (or in SVG). A text object is just an object, so it uses the same way to change its color as other objects. >* The zoom mouse cursor shows a '+' when zooming in. It should show a > '-' when you're zooming out (shift-mouse click) Yes. And all other cursors need to be redrawn too. >* It would be handy to have a way to select objects "under" the object > on top. E.g., a modifier to the left mouse click that would cause it > to select the next object down in the stack for each click. Yes, I was planning to do that by ctrl+alt+click. Keep getting sidetracked into other things :) >* When you select 2+ objects and right click, having access to some of > the 'Align' and/or 'Boolean' commands could be helpful. OK with me. >* When you're editing a multi-stop gradient and then close the dialog > and do 'undo's, it appears to undo each individual edit to the > gradient rather than just undoing the entire editing transaction. Not an entire transaction. Rather, sequences of similar actions (such as movements of the position tracker or color edits) should be lumped together for undo. This is easy to do, just pass a string key when you call sp_document_done, and adjacent actions that have the same value of that key will be undone as one. Simarilius: can you please look into it, see e.g. keyboard object move functions for an example of lumped-together actions. >* There should be a way to not only convert a text object into a node > object, but also to convert the individual letters in the text object > to separate text or node objects. It should _always_ convert a text string into a group of paths, one path per letter, instead of the single compound path as now. As for breaking a text object into per-letter text objects, what might be the use? With kerning, you can move letters freely without breaking, and text remain editable as text. >* Pasting text from open office to inkscape or vice versa. Why OO only? We have an RFE for making Inkscape work with system clioboard on all platforms, that will take care of that. >* Paste style is very cool and works as expected. Some sort of 'paste > size' might also be useful, if you want to force a range of shapes to > have exactly the same dimensions. I don't see how size could be "pasted". Instead I'm thinking about improvements to the Align dialog, one of which might involve a new alignment mode that is allowed to stretch/squeeze, not only move, objects. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Resend: Patch for inkscape.1.in
by Wolfram Quester 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

Hi, I noticed that the hint to the keybindings is still refering to a non-existing file. The attached Patch fixes this. Best regards, Wolfi

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Markers progress & a small bug.
by Carl Hetherington 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

Hi, Thanks very much to all who have put work into the markers code, it's really coming along nicely. I've had bug #934209 in my tree for a while now, and it's still there with current CVS. I'll have another look at it some time this week, but perhaps someone else can sort it in the mean time. Cheers Carl

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Roadmapping for 0.39-0.50
by bulia byak 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

>Probably the best sequence to attack this in might be: I agree with all points except: > - start emplying Pango to perform text layout for e.g. SPText and >friends What is meant by this? What we DO need from Pango is proper glyph composites and contextual forms (in some languages, different glyphs are used for the same char in different positions), and that fits into the "get glyphs from Pango into the renderer" part. As for text layout proper, I see no need to rewrite it once again, with all the spacing and kerning that was added recently. In any case, compliant text layout is only possible if you know the document tree context (remember the example where one part of the dx/dy values for a string is taken from its parent, the other from grandparent, etc.?), and I doubt Pango is really capable of that. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Feedback on 0.38 Release
by bulia byak 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

> > I'd rather have text editing via the top toolbar and on the fly than in > > the dialog, anyways. This would speed up things a lot. > >Agreed, or editable right on the canvas. Likely the Pango integration >will open up some new possibilities here. What's not editable about text right on the canvas now? And anyway, how can Pango ever affect that? :) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Feedback on 0.38 Release
by bulia byak 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

>Hey, this sucks big time! I actually couldn't believe it, but so far, I >couldn't find anything in the specs, that allows me to change the style >of a single letter :( You can, by using <tspan>. Inkscape can render that but cannot yet create it. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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compiled-in paths
by Kees Cook 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

I moved the INKSCAPE_*DIR paths into config.h so that all subdirs would pick them up. This also makes it dependencies will be checked correctly if "configure" is re-run and paths change. Before, you could change the "prefix" and some .cpp files would not get recompiled with the new path. Hopefully my logic is sane and I haven't horribly broken anything. It seems that either way (with Makefile -D's or with config.h #defines) the paths end up compiled in, so there's no difference other than better visibility to the defines. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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Re: Inkscape-devel digest, Vol 1 #328 - 13 msgs
by Peter Linnell 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

> Message: 4 > From: MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> > To: Inkscape ML <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> > Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:55:04 -0400 > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Scribus > > > --=-S5irul3xdH7wfOFlVope > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 10:00, David Christian Berg wrote: > > That'd be great! Inkscape could actually beocome a desktop publishing > > app. I'm not sure though, if that might not bloat the project a little > > too much. As a gnome user I'm no friend of scribus, really, cause it's > > qt, but dtp should probably be done by another app. That app could be a > > fork of inkscape though. > > DTP isn't a goal for Inkscape, no. If someone wants to fork at some > point, they're certainly welcome to do so. > > Qt or no, I personally consider Scribus a sister project; the two > projects have been working closely together, and will continue to do so. > > -mental > Amen. I can assure you the thinking is mutual. Making a fully compliant SVG application is an ambitious and worthy goal. While Scribus has some basic drawing capabilites, it is unlikely to have anywhere near those of Inkscape. Moreover, cooperation has already led to some good ideas for the future, as well as immediate benefits. Both apps in their latest releases have much better importation / exporting results for end users. Over time, I have the sixth sense some big things will come from collaboration between the two - toolkits aside. Peter

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] "README" updating?
by bulia byak 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

>At the very least, Inkscape should be able to read in and >display <circle> elements properly (I think it does...) It does indeed. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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weird look of current snapshot
by Artemio 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Hello! I was going to check out the new icons for toolbars announced a while ago... but here's what I see. Artemio. P.S. Due to a lack of time to read, I unsubscribed from the devel list. So please CC me if you want to tell me something ;-) -- KDEvibes ::: audio environment for KDE ::: http://kdevibes.artemio.net/ [local time 19:55:32 (GMT +3) 12 April 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 59 min]

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building prereqs
by Kees Cook 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

It seems that we require automake 1.7 or newer now. (1.6 fails to build.) Shall I attempt to upgrade the min requirements? -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] autogen disaster
by Kees Cook 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

(don't forget to copy the list when you respond just in case other people can help too.) On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 01:05:38PM -0500, Jason Dusek wrote: > It prints this: > > ============================================================================= > When you report a trouble about building CVS version of inkscape, > Please report following information about distro and tools version, too. > > --1. > distribution------------------------------------------------------------ > FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE > > --2. > tools------------------------------------------------------------------- > which m4: /usr/bin/m4 > > and then it doesn't return. Hm, I suspect line 27 of "tools-version.sh". I bet BSD's "m4" isn't expecting "--version" and maybe waits for input. What does "m4 --version" do on your system? If it hangs, does m4 --version </dev/null NOT hang? Maybe I can put that fix in if it helps. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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pr
by Jonathan Phillips 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

we are making the lists today... Check the comments on http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1740&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 We are getting positive responses from the community about how we respond to users... :) Great work! And at: http://planet.gnome.org/ Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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custom icons
by David Christian Berg 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Hi, recolored most of the icons. I know, that the zooms suck, but whatcha think of the rest?

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Updated spanish trans & icon problems
by Lucas Vieites 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Hi, I haven't been around for the last four days so I was quite surprised when I got to work this morning and saw all the action that has taken place these days. I've updated the spanish translation, which is attached, and I updated my local cvs version to try it out. Compilation went right, but when I ran inkscape all the icons were out of place (screenshot: http://www.asixinformatica.com/archivos/inkscape_icon_rampage.png) on the same image you can see the basic tutorial completely screwed up. Bye, -- Lucas 'Basurero' Vieites <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática http://www.asixinformatica.com/ Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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icons
by David Christian Berg 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

since it is pretty easy to create ones own themes for inkscape, how about adding a "icon-themes" section to the webpage, where you can download and upload iconssets? david

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POTFILES.in
by Arpad Biro 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Hi, It seems the following file should be added to POTFILES.in: src/extension/internal/eps-out.cpp and the following 2 should be removed from that file: src/extension/menu.cpp src/extension/menu.h Of course I will do it if others agree. (Technical details: "../intltool-update --pot" tells us about files that should be removed, and "../intltool-update --maintain" lists files that should be added.) Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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Re: Re: cvs commit
by Arpad Biro 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Hi, > > I'm trying to commit Daniel's new translation, but cannot do it > My guess is that SourceForge > is flaked out again, and that it'll come back in a few hours. I'm still unable to commit; cvs keeps telling me that ""commit" requires write access to the repository". Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Translation comments
by bulia byak 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

>A note to translators: the following string > > #: src/dialogs/object-attributes.cpp:61 > msgid "T0:" > >is not "to", but "t-zero" (see Spiral Properties). I just recently >noticed this, and I personally had to correct my translation. Taking a >look at other translations, I suspect at least 4-5 other people made >the same mistake - I'm almost sure about the German and French >translations being incorrect. Do not worry. The Item Properties dialog is really meant to be a debug tool. It will likely be removed when we have all of its functionality is recreated in other places (mostly in the top panel; it's already almost done for shapes). And meanwhile, I don't think its labels need to be translated at all, since they literally match the corresponding sodipodi: atributes. > "Could not create sodipodi-svg-doc factory" It's in the currently-disfunctional bonobo code, and nobody knows what it's supposed to mean. When someone gets interested in bonobo and revives this part, remind him/her to make all user-visible messages comprehensible. > "Role:" > "Arcrole:" > "Title:" See the XLink standard for explanations of these (although, as said above, I don't think we need to translate them). > "Em square" Not sure about "square". It's just the em unit, see CSS for more info. > "Base radius to tip radius ratio" The ratio of the base radius to tip radius in a star. > "gradientUnits" > "gradientSpread" These just need to be reworded. Test them in the Fill&Stroke dialog with a gradient fill and propose short and concise labels that would be straightforward to translate. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Translation comments
by bulia byak 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

>I did translate the strings that I mentioned (after a bit of googling), >I just thought we could add comments for other translators. Well, add the comments yourself, then :) Also, when there's a significant update in a translation, please add a note about it to http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ReleaseNotes under "Clipart, documentation, translations". _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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announcements out
by Jonathan Phillips 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Hello all, Ted, Bryce and I coated the planet with announcements. We generally hit the following: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?AnnouncingReleases but please, add more to that wiki entry if not on there and forward away. The announcement you should have received and if not, it is on the front page of the site. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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autogen disaster
by Jason Dusek 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Hi Everyone, I made some modifications to the Inkscape code and tried to compile it on BSD 4.9 and autogen.sh has been running for more than a day. What is going on here? Is the source from the CVS tree simply uncompilable on BSD? Do I have to do my hacking by twiddling with the port? - - -- \\ // -- --- \\ // --- ---- jason x ---- --- // \\ --- -- // \\ -- - -

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rest of the icons
by Jonathan Phillips 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Thanks to Kees and Bulia (and micelf) and others, we have almost put in place all current menu icons. We need however 3 more. After these are completed, then we can move on to replacing XPM icons in the interface. The following need to be created: File ==== * Open Recent Edit ==== * Paste in Place * Paste Style The menu items that do not need icons because they are getting replaced: Dialogs ======= * Item Properties * Tool Options -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] insensitive, xml editor
by bulia byak 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

>But isn't it on the otherhand inconsistent to have an attribute that >can't be set to "false"? And isn't it more like that sodipodi should >change that aswell? We're not planning to do any work on per-object sensitivity, just keep it as it is in Sodi. Instead when we will have layers we will be able to switch sensitivity and visibility per layer, which is much more convenient. When this is done, we'll likely remove the sensitive/insensitive per-object stuff from the UI. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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New Markers code
by Bryce Harrington 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

I've just committed the patch from John and Carl for improving the markers support. There were a few build issues, but with some kludging the code compiles. It's buggy on my box, though, so is going to need more attention; I figure since there's 4 of us working on it, it'll be easier having the code in CVS than passing around patches. Meanwhile beware that playing with the marker widgets on the stroke style dialog may lead to a crash. But at least this moves us a good step closer to having markers available. Bryce

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Translation comments
by Arpad Biro 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

Hi, A note to translators: the following string #: src/dialogs/object-attributes.cpp:61 msgid "T0:" is not "to", but "t-zero" (see Spiral Properties). I just recently noticed this, and I personally had to correct my translation. Taking a look at other translations, I suspect at least 4-5 other people made the same mistake - I'm almost sure about the German and French translations being incorrect. Maybe we could also add a comment into the code for translators? If this is possible, then I also have other candidates for adding comments to: "Could not create sodipodi-svg-doc factory" "Role:" "Arcrole:" "Title:" "Em square" "Base radius to tip radius ratio" "gradientUnits" "gradientSpread" (For my personal comments on the above strings, see "po/hu.po".) Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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ps-export
by David Christian Berg 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

Where is the fun about ps-export when neither gradients nor imported pngs nor transparency attributes are being exported? Alright, it just that this would be handy for me right now. And speaking of it, ps2pdf always creates A4 documents, as ist seems. Does anybody know how to have it export A3 or any customized format? Or does anybody know another app for it? David

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Re: cvs commit
by Arpad Biro 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

Hi, > Was there some bad documentation or missing directions that we should > update so others can avoid this problem in the future? Actually I have not read any Inkscape-related documentation on this; just automatically used the "pserver" method, since that was what I got accustomed to earlier. Taking a look at the Wiki, I realize you have a very good documentation on using CVS. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Re: cvs commit
by Arpad Biro 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

Hi, Commit finally works. Thank you guys for the help. > When using pserver, are you logging in? :ext: doesn't require you to > log onto the CVS repository, but :pserver: does. I did, but it still did not work. > Hmm! AFAIK, SourceForge uses 'ext' not 'pserver'. Try checking > it out like this: > > cvs -d :ext:a_b@...318...:/cvsroot/inkscape co inkscape Yes, it works with ext. I finally committed that translation. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Re: cvs commit
by Arpad Biro 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

Hi, > Is it possible you didn't check out the repository with your user > account? Perhaps you're still working in an anonymous checkout of > the tree? > Doublecheck that it got checked out as you by doing `cat > inkscape/CVS/Root` and make sure the Root looks something like: > > :ext:bryce@cvs.inkscape.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/inkscape > > except your username instead of 'bryce'. When it's checked out with my ID, it gives the same message. The Root is: ":pserver:a_b@...54...:/cvsroot/inkscape". Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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Binary and build package for Nasgaïa
by unknown＠example.com 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

Hi, I'm working for Nasgaïa (a community and a GNU/Linux distribution which privileges the human aspect, you can obtain more informations at http://www.nasgaia.org , http://nasgaia.org/?target=i10n ). I have packaged Inkscape 0.8.1 in the Nbuild* and NBA** format which is used by the Nasgaïa distribution. Yours sincerely, Fred. http://www.nasgaia.org * Nbuild : Archive with the script and compilation files, somewhat similar to an ebuild for gentoo. ** NBA : Binary archive. The NBA: http://nba.nasgaia.free.fr/DESKTOP/GNOME2/inkscape-0.38.1.nba The Nbuild: http://f.rodrigo.free.fr/nasgaia/inkscape-0.38.1.tar

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verbs and "help" menu
by Kees Cook 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

I was toying around with making some icons for the "help" menu, only to discover that hooking it up would prove difficult. Should the help menu setup ("sp_ui_help_menu") be converted to the verb-style of menus so we can more easily attach icons? Or is there a reason this menu wasn't converted? -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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clipart at freedesktop.org
by Jonathan Phillips 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

Hello all, Well, the wiki for the new open clipart project has been activated. Please spend some time looking over the content, and adding your own. Instructions for getting account access for the wiki are at the URL below. Anyone interested in the project should head on over to the site and get added to the mailing list. http://freedesktop.org/Software/clipart or http://clipart.freedesktop.org/ This project is at an early stage, but the Open Office.org (OO.o) development community and various SVG editor camps are merging together (basically) to create this project. OO.o has 20-30 million users! If you are into this type of project and/or want to get in on the ground floor and help shape the future, then you should jump in now... Thanks, Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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RE: The Tips and Tricks document
by bulia byak 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

>I started to make a list of typos and grammatical errors in $SUBJECT, >but there are so many of them that I'm not sure what would be the best >way to correct them. Which one do you prefer: if I report them as bugs >or if I send an updated file to you, which you can further correct >and commit? Of course feel free to send the corrected file. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: bug 848692
by bulia byak 10 Apr '04

10 Apr '04

> > 1) by starting from a non-rounded rect and dragging only one handle >down. > > The other handle stays in the corner (does not move) but, since having >one > > of the radii equal to 0 and other not makes little sense, Inkscape >responds > > by producing strictly rounded corners. > >point is, it does not! When you have a portrait rect, they are not >strictly circular corners. Well, they _start_ circular, they only stop being circular if you move too far. > > > The difference is that with 1), the circularity is preserved when you >resize > > the rect, while with 2) it is not. I agree that this is inconsistent and > > inconvenient, and I will try changing Ctrl-drag so it produces the same > > result as 1), with one of the handles in the corner. This way you can >drag a > > handle on any side with Ctrl and get auto-circular corners preserved in > > scaling. Is this what you're after? > >So yeah, that'd be a solution. but if you do so instead of stopping that >handle when the top and bottom curves meet it should be possible >starting out dragging the handle to the right, and not to the bottom >only, because that way you can get the same result, as if you had the >rect rotated by 90�. Hope this makes a little sense to you, what I'm >saying. I oughta watch more movies in English, maybe, but probably it's >just hard to explain :( It stops now with Ctrl, and it will still stop with Ctrl when I change that. The change will only affect how the circular corners are represented (with one handle at the corner, instead of both being at the same distance from it), but the stop when the roundings (with or without handle) meet on the shorter side should remain as is. I may not be able to work on this right now, so please file a RFE with the summary from our emails. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: bug 848692
by bulia byak 10 Apr '04

10 Apr '04

>My point is: if you create a landscape rectangle, you can only move the >node down until the curves on the left and the right size meet. This way >you end up having a rect with two arcs attached to it. >Now take a portrait rect and do the same. you end up with an elipese, >because the node does not respect the curves meeting at the top and the >bottom and hence don't stop at that point. >This is inconsitent. Drag it with Ctrl, then it will stop as soon as the handles on any of the sides meet, and you will get strictly circular corners. >It also doesn't allow me to create a portrait rect with arcs attached to >the top and the bottom, because I don't know, where to stop moving the >node. Dragging with Ctrl takes care of that. >If anybody should want to have different radii, he should move the >second node aswell. That is what it is for imho. I.e. you propose that normal dragging should behave as Ctrl-dragging now? Why? >But moving only the single node should do the same as having both nodes >moved with ctrl pressed. Then how do I get the current behavior if I want it? >The difference gotta be though that when >rescaling the rect, the corners stay circular. OK, I think I understand what you want. There are currently two ways to get strictly circular corners: 1) by starting from a non-rounded rect and dragging only one handle down. The other handle stays in the corner (does not move) but, since having one of the radii equal to 0 and other not makes little sense, Inkscape responds by producing strictly rounded corners. 2) By dragging any handle with Ctrl. This way both handles are moved and are at the same distance from the corner. The difference is that with 1), the circularity is preserved when you resize the rect, while with 2) it is not. I agree that this is inconsistent and inconvenient, and I will try changing Ctrl-drag so it produces the same result as 1), with one of the handles in the corner. This way you can drag a handle on any side with Ctrl and get auto-circular corners preserved in scaling. Is this what you're after? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: bug 932629
by bulia byak 10 Apr '04

10 Apr '04

>932254 died a horrible death, with a very ugly fix >(adding the miterlimit to the bounding box in the >nr-arena-shape update function). My gut feeling is that the renderer must not have any preconditioned bounding box; it must _return_ one, not take. But this may be too difficult to implement. For now, adding the miterlimit length to the bbox sounds OK to me. So the wrong cut problem is now gone, but the stroke-miterlimit value is still calculated wrong. According to spec, the value of sqrt(2) must correspond to the miter/bevel transition at the angle of 90 degrees, while now it happens at 45 degrees. We must conform to what the spec says to be compliant: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/painting.html#StrokeProperties >932251 i cannot >produce either, but i had the exact same problem a >while ago. it should have been fixed. if you can >provide me a svg of the problem to debug... I attached a sample svg to the bug. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: bug 932629
by bulia byak 10 Apr '04

10 Apr '04

>i cannot reproduce this bug. are there any settings >that must differ from the stock ones to get the bug? >also, since the scaling is proportional to the canvas >size, is there a specific canvas size to use? It depends on zoom, not canvas size. Anyway, I attached a new file to the bug where you only need to select the object and do outset of any size at any zoom, and it crashes. >btw 932640 and 932631 were apparently the result of an >intersector bug. i had to change a bit the code, but >my memory is quite fuzzy as to how it exactly >proceeds; i hope the changes didn't create new bugs... I hope too :) These two bugs are closed, thanks. What about 932254 and 932251? _________________________________________________________________ Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp

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misc
by bulia byak 10 Apr '04

10 Apr '04

Fred, your latest changes broke win32 compilation: display/nr-arena-item.cpp: In function `unsigned int nr_arena_item_invoke_render(NRArenaItem*, NRRectL*, NRPixBlock*, unsigned int)': display/nr-arena-item.cpp:383: error: `gettimeofday' undeclared (first use this function) display/nr-arena-item.cpp:383: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) I noticed you added a new option, arenatilescachesize. Can you elaborate on what effect it has, and what are the recommended values? If it's supposed to be user-editable, please add it to http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PreferencesDialog with a label, acceptable range of values, and a tooltip which explains what this option does and how. When we finally create a preferences dialog that page will be used as the base. Also, there are quite a bunch of new bugs in the tracker that you may be interested in (dashed strokes, offsets, miters, etc.) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] item opacity not drawn correctly
by bulia byak 10 Apr '04

10 Apr '04

>When you have an object, with pretty thick an outline and change it's >opacity, in the item properties, you will notice, that not the opacity >of the object is decreased, but the opacity of the stroke and the fill >seperately. You notice this, because you see the fill behind the stroke. >If you group some objects and change the opacity of the whole group, >things work fine. >Should I file a bug? Yes please. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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