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I'm new here and I'd like to wish you best of luck with InkScape
by Alan Horkan 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I'm new here and I'd like to wish you best of luck with InkScape, it really sounds like a good idea. Firstly congratulations on choosing a name I can immediately pronounce, that is not an acronym, that I'm not embarassed to admit I use or say out loud and that does not feature an over abundance of G, Q, or K that seem to plague so many other projects (I'm sure you all can guess the ones I'm talking about). I found out about Inkscape from a story on Gnomedesktop.org which from the various posts I'm sure you are well aware of but I think it might be worth linking from your news page (and this mail did invite suggestions http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=3434272&forum_id=360… ) I'm also having minor difficulty downloading this file, I only get the top chunk http://www.inkscape.org/mockups/export_dialog_02.png Which leads me to my next point, the Export Dialog. Rather than make specific criticism of each approach I would put it to you that it would be best to use a standard Save Dialog with an additional "Options..." Button. The Options button would prompt uses to change the export settings, these should probably also be available through some sort of Import/Export preferences dialog. Why do it this way? Other programs do it this way but more importantly that that I can promise you that users will not want to change the export settings each and every time, and being able to set them once (or just once for the current session or project) and keep reusing the same settings until you feel the need to change them and keep them out of your way. (This is an approach I have been advocating quite strongly on the Gnome usability list mailto:usability@...45... so that when the GTK File Open Save As dialog gets redesigned that developers will have a clear and standard way to extend it rather than cluttering the dialog with all manner of new features.) The website says "We aim for capabilities similar to Illustrator, CorelDraw, Visio, etc." I hope you will also aim for a user interface similar to those programs, except of course when there is a clearly better alternative. You'd be amazed how lost I feel in Sodipodi as it does(/did) not have a menubar or document toolbars. Keeping the interfaces similar makes it much easier to reuse existing books tutorials and other resources already targeting the dominant software and also helps kill off the distasteful "marketable skills in the workplace" crap that I'm forced to admit happens all too often. I'm a fan of portable cross platform software - who know what Operating System we'll be running in 5 years, but I'd like to still be able to use my favourite software - but at the same time I encourage you to not just get involved with Gnome and try to follow the Gnome Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) where you think it is appropriate but also help push for changes and more flexability where you really dont think the Guidelines are appropriate. I wish you the very best of luck with InkScape and I hope you can make the most of its potential and satisfy so many potential users out there. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ PS I've subscribed to the list digest so that I can lurk and I'm fairly busy at the moment, but if you would like me to try and respond more promptly please CC me in your replies.

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OSX Patch
by T Ingham 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I had mistakenly thought that my patch to remove the malloc.h includes ( replacing them with unistd.h ) had been applied. It hasn't, and I'd like to know if anyone else has trouble making without the includes to malloc. If this is not the case ( meaning no problems ) then can we get the cvs updated so I don't have to apply the patch myself every time I update :) Thanks, Thomas

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Release 0.36
by Ted Gould 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

Hey all, I think it's probably time to start planning the next release, or atleast decide when it's going to be. The GNOME folks rave about time based releases, and think they are the best way to do Open Source software. I think this mostly comes from giving everyone a timeline to get features into the repository. But, Bryce has done a really good job of making Milestones also - and I think that if we set "Milestone 2" as when we're going to do the next release that would be reasonable too. Thoughts? Ideas? --Ted

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Updating the site.
by T Ingham 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I've added a wiki entry at: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingWebsite Please review and provide feedback/ flames. -thomas

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inkscape_project module
by Bryce Harrington 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I've established a new CVS module 'inkscape_project'. Same sort of idea as the project_config module we set up for Sodipodi: It's a place to put config files, scripts, docs, and other assorted goodies that aren't really directly related to the codebase but need to be kept revision controlled and backed up for the project. I've put a copy of the wiki into it, the config for the IRC bot we used for #sodipodi (anyone want to figure out how to set up a jabber bot?) and a readme. Bryce

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Inkscape debug output
by Robert Crosbie 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

After selecting Inkscape->About Inkscape and seeing 421 "ensure outline - outlines" and "finalize - outlines" fly by on the console, It got me thinking about debugging messages. It seems that many modules in inkscape turn on or off debugging by #defining a variable. It might be nice to be able to set a global debugging variable and/or debugging level through some method such as a command line option or an environment variable. You could call 'Inkscape --debug 3' or 'setenv INKSCAPE_DEBUG 1' As a developer it saves the time needed to undefine a variable and recompile, just to get debugging output. I've seen other applications with debugging levels such as 1 = LOW to 5 = HIGH, or from less detailed to very detailed. Another option is to have a './configure --DEBUG' to turn on or off debugging. This way you can still ifdef the debugging messages and have them displayed during development, but you can stop them from even being compiled for a release version. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Problem with files not loading back in properly
by Jon A. Cruz 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I tracked down the problem where I was having problems loading in files that I had made. It turns out that my config setup Makefiles with a VERSION of 0.0. This of course ends up being written in any files I save, and thus they are misinterpreted on reading. Since it's an autoconf issue, not code, I'm not up to speed enough to come up with a patch. :-( So I figure someone on the list can take care of it. Let me know if you need any follow-up info. Oh, and for detecting this in the future, I was wondering if checks for 0.0 and warning dialogs at startup and/or file loading might be handy. It would end up preventing lost time on strange behavior.

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Cafepress
by Ted Gould 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

The other night we were talking about setting up a cafepress store for the really cool inkscape logo - what do people think? Mental mentioned that he was concerned about where the money would go. I was thinking two things: 1) We just sell things at cost. I don't know if you can do this with Cafepress, but I would assume you could. 2) We donate all the profits (probably a couple bucks) back to Sourceforge. What do you guys think? I'm willing to set it up and get/write checks to make the second one happen. --Ted

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icon.c again + patch
by Robert Crosbie 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

The benefit of the icon.c routines is that you can load an xpm, png or svg with the same call. You can replace all your .xpm images with svg and you don't need to change any code. It would certainly be cool if inkscape had all svg icons since it is an svg editor. The problem with icon.c is in sp_icon_new_full where we have: static iconlib = g_hash_table_new (g_str_hash, g_str_equal); but iconlib is never freed. I assume it is used to speed up the retrieval/loading of images/icons. Also every time an object is added to the hash table, the key is strduped: g_hash_table_insert (iconlib, g_strdup (c), icon->px); That key is never freed either. You create and destroy a few icons and inkscape/spdipodi goes kablooy! These things would be easier to manage if inkscape had true objects and classes. I almost have a fix for icon.c, but in the mean time, if you just want to have a stable 0.35, this patch should stop the transformation dialog from crashing: Index: transformation.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/dialogs/transformation.c,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -p -r1.3 transformation.c --- transformation.c 31 Oct 2003 06:28:39 -0000 1.3 +++ transformation.c 10 Nov 2003 04:02:58 -0000 @@ -226,7 +226,7 @@ sp_transformation_dialog_new (void) g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (b), "clicked", G_CALLBACK (sp_transformation_dialog_close), dlg); /* Move page */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_NOTEBOOK, "move"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/move.xpm"); gtk_widget_show (img); page = sp_transformation_page_move_new (G_OBJECT (dlg)); gtk_widget_show (page); @@ -234,7 +234,7 @@ sp_transformation_dialog_new (void) g_object_set_data (G_OBJECT (dlg), "move", page); /* Scale page */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_NOTEBOOK, "scale"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/scale.xpm"); gtk_widget_show (img); page = sp_transformation_page_scale_new (G_OBJECT (dlg)); gtk_widget_show (page); @@ -242,7 +242,7 @@ sp_transformation_dialog_new (void) g_object_set_data (G_OBJECT (dlg), "scale", page); /* Rotate page */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_NOTEBOOK, "rotate"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/rotate.xpm"); gtk_widget_show (img); page = sp_transformation_page_rotate_new (G_OBJECT (dlg)); gtk_widget_show (page); @@ -380,7 +380,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_move_new (GObject sp_unit_selector_set_unit (SP_UNIT_SELECTOR (us), sp_desktop_get_default_unit (SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP)); } /* Horizontal */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "arrows_hor"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/arrows_hor.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "move_position_x", adj); @@ -389,7 +389,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_move_new (GObject sb = gtk_spin_button_new (adj, 0.1, 2); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), sb, 1, 2, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)( (GtkAttachOptions)( GTK_EXPAND | GTK_FILL ) ), (GtkAttachOptions)( (GtkAttachOptions)( GTK_EXPAND | GTK_FILL ) ), 0, 0); /* Vertical */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "arrows_ver"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/arrows_ver.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 1, 2, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "move_position_y", adj); @@ -555,7 +555,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_scale_new (GObjec sp_unit_selector_set_unit (SP_UNIT_SELECTOR (us), sp_unit_get_by_abbreviation ("%")); g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (us), "set_unit", G_CALLBACK (sp_transformation_scale_set_unit), obj); /* Horizontal */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "scale_hor"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/scale_hor.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "scale_dimension_x", adj); @@ -564,7 +564,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_scale_new (GObjec sb = gtk_spin_button_new (adj, 0.1, 2); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), sb, 1, 2, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)( GTK_EXPAND | GTK_FILL ), (GtkAttachOptions)( GTK_EXPAND | GTK_FILL ), 0, 0); /* Vertical */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "scale_ver"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/scale_ver.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 1, 2, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "scale_dimension_y", adj); @@ -674,7 +674,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_rotate_new (GObje gtk_table_set_col_spacings (GTK_TABLE (tbl), 4); gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vb), tbl, FALSE, FALSE, 0); - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "rotate_left"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/rotate_left.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "rotate_angle", adj); Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? 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Re: [Inkscape-devel] more keys
by bulia byak 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

> Tool switching > ============== > F1 and Ctrl F6 don't seem to do what they're supposed to; all of the > rest of the shortcuts worked as documented (both the letter and function > key variants). They work for me, and I have absolutely no idea why these might not work. They're just two shortcuts among others. The only reason may be that the underlying functions do not work, which I did not touch. Is there any diagnostics? Maybe a "make clean" or something would help? > It would be nice to have a shortcut to the Editing Window added (or even > better would be keyboard shortcuts to turn grid and snap on/off > directly). Now # toggles grid and | toggles guides, except that toggling guides does not work for some reason (it's disabled in the dialog too). > I noticed that ESC works for many of the dialogs but not all. The > export window, for example, didn't respond to Esc. I will try to see if I can do something about that. It's high priority because the simple keys like arrows and esc must work reliably everywhere. I've added a TODO section at the bottom of http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardShortcuts This and many other ideas are there. Please discuss or add your own! Yemu: your suggestion is there too, edit as appropriate. > Zoom and scroll > =============== > + on the keypad works for zooming in, but the regular + key doesn't. I think I fixed this. Please check. > We probably need a keyboard mapping for "Fit the whole selection into > the window". Perhaps one of the number keys to keep with the scheme? > Also note that keypad-5 is mapped to "Fit the whole drawing into > window", so that could be added to the docs. However, the regular 5 key > isn't mapped. Since both regular and keyboard 0 and 1 are mapped, it > seems sensible for both 5's to be likewise. I think the old scheme was not very logical or convenient. Now I did this: 1 is 1:1, 2 is 1:2, 3 is selection, 4 is drawing, 5 is page. This makes it a more logical sequence (assuming drawing is smaller than page). > Mapping Ctrl-z and Ctrl-shift-z to the opposite actions is kind of > slick; makes it easy to quickly scroll up and down through the > transaction log. And having Ctrl-y mapped to the redo makes sense since > that's a commonly expected mapping. > > I wonder if for perfect balance, Ctrl-shft-y should be mapped to 'undo'? Why not. > Ctrl-w 'close window' only seems to work when the mouse is hovering over > the window when the window system is set to click-to-follow mode. Yes, it's a local binding for a canvas window and perhaps it does not work when mouse is away. It cannot be made global. > I'm not sure what Ctrl-shft-n does, but it didn't seem to work for me. No traces in the code. Removed. > Ctrl-shft-p did not pop up the print preview This one is enabled, but the function does not work (from menu, too). Someone needs to find out. > Ctrl-shft-s did not pop up the save file as box Should work now. > Ctrl-q only exits if the cursor is in the editing window; it doesn't > work when used over the toolbox nor if no document is loaded. Fixed by making it global. > Selector tool shortcuts > ======================= > The arrow keys all worked as advertised - that's going to be a really > nice enhancement. I noticed though that the keyboard arrows did not > always work - the kbd up and down are mapped to zoom up/down, and the rt > and left don't have actions. The kbd alt-arrows don't have action. > All kbd-arrows with the shift or shift-alt modifiers work as documented. By "keyboard", do you mean "keypad"? If so, that's strange. But after some thinking I remembered that some time ago I patched my X keyboard configuration so that keypad arrows _always_ produce arrows, with or without shift. (I can give details of the patch if someone is interested.) Without that patch, the KP arrows were arrows without shift and digits with shift, and vice versa if numlock is on. I never use KP digits but I like to use KP arrows with and without shift (for selecting) in Emacs, hence the patch. Now, if the original configuration is standard (it was by default on Mandrake), this means most people won't be able to use KP arrows with shift at all, unless they reconfigure X like I did. (Or they only can use KP arrows with shift but cannot without, if numlock is on.) I personally find this situation a bit weird, and we perhaps need to talk to an expert in X keyboard to see if there's another workaround. The idea to reconfigure XKB was the first to come to my mind and it worked for me, so I never researched the matter any deeper since that. We'll also need to find out how this is done outside of linux. Maybe we need to check for, e.g., GDK_KP_4 instead of (or in addition to) Shift with KP_Left? I will try this but I'll need someone else to test it on a standard linux and on other platforms. As for "kbd up and down are mapped to zoom up/down", no - it's just that the zoom value field in the bottom right corner grabs focus (very annoying!). I'll see if I can tame it somehow. > Ctrl-a 'select-all' also works but needs adding to the documentation. Done. I also made this local to the select tool, as it not always makes sense (and may be confusing) in other tools. > I'm wondering about ctrl-d though - in emacs and probably other apps > it's mapped to the same function as the DEL key, whereas here it > duplicates the selected item. In Xara, it's duplication as well, and I believe in Corel Draw too. Those are better matches for us than Emacs :) > Home/end/pgup/pgdn all work. The keyboard versions of those aren't > mapped similarly. I'm undecided if they should though; could be too > much functionality for the keyboard. For consistency, I enabled the KP keys too. > I had a thought... What if we made the keyboard mappings not do any > document changes, so that it's read only? What I'm thinking is that > being able to rely on the keyboard as a read-only navigation interface > would be handy since they could navigate around without having to worry > about accidentally hitting the wrong key and fussing up the document. I think it's too much to change, there are already many shortcuts that modify the document. Instead, isn't there a slideshow mode that only displays SVG without editing? > Ctrl-g and ctrl-shft-g work for group/ungroup. Ctrl-u does ungroup; > perhaps Ctrl-shft-u should group? Why not. > The mouse modifiers for stretch, rotate, skew, etc. all checked out. > Are some of these new or had I just not known about them before? > I am going to find Ctrl-move and alt-transform quite useful. :-) No, I did not touch these yet (but I plan to). They are all from Sodipodi. > Node edit tool shortcuts > ======================== > In editing mode, the regular arrows all worked as documented. Nice. > The keyboard keys didn't do anything though. See above for keypad ideas. > I'm wondering if in node-edit mode it might be more useful for the > keyboard arrowkeys to be left to view commands like moving the view > window, zooming, etc. Hmm, maybe we need a stronger defined concept of > what the keyboard does - either always precisely map to what the regular > arrow, paging, etc. keys do, or map to some other useful mode like > view-window control? You can zoom and pan in node editor, no problem. No need to deassign arrow keys. My concept is simple: everything must be consistent. If arrows move selection in selector, they must do the same in all other tools where "selection" makes sense. Ctrl-arrows pan canvas, and they do so everywhere. > You've got shift-k and shift-l listed twice. Fixed. > One thing that may be a bit awkward is with the unmodified keys, if you > happen to on the canvas instead of precisely over a node, the key can > cause you to leave node-edit mode and activate some other function. The > s key, for instance, ends up selecting the object, and the b key > activates the create-curve function. I thought about that and wanted to remove these unmodified keys to alt-keys or digits. But when I actually tried this, I found that they affect active node, and active node only exists when you are dragging it with your mouse. So psychologically, these are not "unmodified keys"; rather, they are "mousedrag+letter" keys and are unlikely to be confused with simple "letter" keys. The rest will have to wait until tomorrow... -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Milestone 2 development work
by Bryce Harrington 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

As milestone 1 nears completion, we're ready to start looking at laying into M2. Also, a bunch of you are probably new to the codebase and looking for someplace to get your feet wet. The most sensible effort for new developers to dive into is bug fixing. Here's why: * Many bugs have been identified and documented in the Sodipodi bug tracker. A goodly number are also not that hard to fix. * A bug gives you a fixed goal to shoot for with a definite end. It is not a huge commitment of your time and doesn't carry any sort of ongoing responsibility - once you've got the fix in, you're done. * It will expose you to building the codebase, finding your way around in it, creating patches, etc. * Users *love* applications with few bugs. :-) There are two aspects to the bug work: 1. Bug Testing - Go through Sodipodi's bug list and test each report to see if it can be recreated in Inkscape and isn't already registered. If so, cut and paste it into the Inkscape bug tracker and mark that you've verified it still exists (and elaborate on how you found it). Include the Sodipodi bug ID number for traceability. 2. Bug Fixing - Grab a bug from the SF tracker and chase it down; try to find a fix for it, and post a patch to the patch tracker. Try to also improve the error checking behavior of the code, where possible. If those of us who are able to code C/C++ can close a couple bugs each, then we'll establish a sturdy base for building our next set of changes on. If this endeavor sounds interesting to you, feel free to drop me a line with any questions you have. Some other efforts that are going on, that you could participate in if you wish, include: * Research & plan GtkMM-ification (see mental or njh) * Design & develop new layer system (see mental) * Implement arrowhead support (see bryce) * Create unit tests for each source code file (see mental) * Implement new grid systems (see njh) Bryce

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Announcing inkscape-announce list
by Bryce Harrington 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

A mailing list for Inkscape-related announcements is now available. https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-announce This is intended to be a low-traffic list for people who don't wish to follow the regular development discussions but do want to know about new releases of Inkscape itself, plugins, events, and so forth. It's recommended that everyone on inkscape-devel@ subscribe to this list as well. Bryce

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Fwd: [Inkscape-devel] OSX?: Patch
by T Ingham 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

I figured out how to get this done, here's the patch. Probably contains more data than necessary, but I'm learning. On Nov 9, 2003, at 11:54 PM, T Ingham wrote: > // Wl, removed > ./Makefile.am > > //malloc.h replaced with unistd.h > > ./src/helper/action.c > ./src/xml/repr-io.c > ./libarikkei/arikkei-token.c > > > <Makefile.am><action.c><arikkei-token.c><repr-io.c>

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Bug on debian package
by Carlos Ingelmo 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

Since I don't know if this would go to the bug tracker or not, I write it here. It seems that 'debian/changelog' must be change in order to build debian package, by replacing sodipodi by inkscape or by creating a new one, I don't know anything about debian packaging. What I've done to build it is replace sodipodi by inkscape, although like it is a new project you might one to create a new changelog (by the way, it doesn't seem very updated). Thanks for reading... Carlos Ingelmo

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isometric grid
by Robert Crosbie 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

Just wanted to say that the new grid system pictured on the website is an awsome awsome awsome idea. I can't wait to try it out. It would have been particularly useful when I was drawing triangular celtic knots. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] OSX?
by T Ingham 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

Roger this, for the record. -t On Nov 9, 2003, at 11:26 PM, Daniel Díaz wrote: > Hello, Thomas. > > > On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 22:21, T Ingham wrote: >> The previous issue was related to Apple's version of glibtoolize, >> replacing with fink's copy fixes the ranlib issue. >> >> Now however, I have a more interesting note. I got the damn thing >> compiled! >> >> Here are some images showing a very unhappy Inkscape: >> >> http://www.coalmarch.com/images/inkscape/inkscape_osx_01.png > > I had that in my Yellowdog. I had to `make install' for the icons to be > loaded. Otherwise, the X server will display garbage instead of the > graphics. > > Hope that's it. > > Greetings! > > Daniel Díaz > yosoy@...31... > > > >> http://www.coalmarch.com/images/inkscape/inkscape_osx_02.png >> http://www.coalmarch.com/images/inkscape/inkscape_osx_03.png >> >> You can see that some of the icons appear to be loading in a corrupted >> fashion. This could be related to my cvs checkout ( done anon ) or >> perhaps the files needed for these icons simply aren't present. I >> can't >> say for sure. >> >> The other problem is that it appears as though our code base suffers >> from the same font problem that sodipodi did. Pogma at #fink on >> freenode.net says there is a patch available, but as I'm not really >> qualified for such business, I figured we could get someone to apply >> the necessary change? If I'm wrong, may I be flogged for thinking so. >> >> Laters, >> >> -thomas >> >> ps. I'm not sure if these qualify as bugs, since they appear to be >> platform and session specific. > > >

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shortcuts
by Yemu 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

Witaj Bryce, W Twoim liście datowanym 9 listopada 2003 (20:38:47) można przeczytać: BH> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, bulia byak wrote: >> Still more keys today. See the wiki page. Notably, esc now deselects and cancels rubberband selection. Also, lots more ways to switch tools and call >> dialogs. The program is becoming actually >> usable :) >> >> Actually, the bulk of the Sodipodi shortcuts programming task is now ready. However, quite a few bits remain, and still more are in my plans. It's >> addictive :) >> >> Sorry I've been committing all this right before the release, but I think it's unlikely to break anything. However, anyone please test the new keys >> before making a release. >> thanks bulia! shortcuts are great! they really speed up things! i have one suggestion concerning shortuts: it would be great if there were shourtcuts for aligning, like for example: c - center horizontally e - center vertically l - left r - right t - top b - bottom (these are key bindings from Corel which i like the most, and you must admit they are quite intuitive) best regards yemu

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icon.c
by Robert Crosbie 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

What direction is inkscape taking, expand use of icon.c generic subroutines, or use direct gtk calls? ie, do we expand use of: img = sp_icon_new(...) gtk_widget_show(img) or use img = gtk_image_new_from_file(...) gtk_widget_show(img) I'm looking into the bug where if you open the transformations dialog twice, inkscape will crash. The bug lies in the use of the icon.c routines. The transformations dialog is the only dialog to use the icon routines. I think we can quickly get rid of the crash by not using sp_icon_new. Otherwise I need to hunt more in the icon routines and see why the sp_icon_destroy is segfaulting. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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Ctrl-a DEL Ctrl-z crash
by Bryce Harrington 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

I found a repeatable crash bug while testing out the keyboard shortcuts. Bryce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 11:20:14 -0800 From: SourceForge.net <noreply@...34...> To: noreply@...34... Subject: [Inkscape-tracker] [ inkscape-Bugs-838897 ] Ctrl-a DEL Ctrl-z crash Bugs item #838897, was opened at 2003-11-09 19:20 Summary: Ctrl-a DEL Ctrl-z crash Initial Comment: 0. Start new inkscape 1. Create new document 2. Click on the rectangle button 3. Draw a rectangle in the document 4. Click the select tool in the toolbox 5. Click on the canvas inside the editing window 6. Ctrl-a 'select-all' 7. DEL 8. Ctrl-z 9. Reliably crashes This is with the CVS HEAD of inkscape as of 2003-1109 1000 PST, on Mandrake 9.1. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=604306&aid=838897&group_i…

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more keys
by bulia byak 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

Still more keys today. See the wiki page. Notably, esc now deselects and cancels rubberband selection. Also, lots more ways to switch tools and call dialogs. The program is becoming actually usable :) Actually, the bulk of the Sodipodi shortcuts programming task is now ready. However, quite a few bits remain, and still more are in my plans. It's addictive :) Sorry I've been committing all this right before the release, but I think it's unlikely to break anything. However, anyone please test the new keys before making a release. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Updated website
by Bryce Harrington 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

I wrote up blurbs on some of the progress over the past few days. Let me know of other things worth mentioning. http://www.inkscape.org/ Bryce

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about_text.svg versus about.svg
by MenTaLguY 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

I'm afraid I made some changes to about.svg and committed before I noticed about_text.svg there, but I don't seem to have the same verion of the font bryce used... For now, I've removed about_text.svg from glade/, since about.svg has gotten out of sync with it and merging the changes back has proven non-trivial. Longer-term, we should probably consider either bringing back about_text.svg and including the font used as part of the source tree (licensing permitting), or leaving the version number as text... -mental

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0.35 Release Status
by Bryce Harrington 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

We're nearly ready to cut the 0.35 release. The major change is of course the update to compile using g++ (or gcc). We've closed the bugs and integrated the patches posted to SourceForge. The code passes 'make distcheck' for Mental. A new About dialog has been created (http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots.html). We've got one more bug reported by mrchapp, that Mental is working on. Ted, would you like have the honor of cutting and posting the 0.35 release when Mental gives you the thumbs up signal? Bryce

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patch to disable NRTFFT2_DEBUG output
by Robert Crosbie 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

I figure by default, this debug message should be turned off. It will remove the spew of console output when you select Inkscape->About Inkscape or work with text in general. Placing a "no" in front of the define seems to be the convention used elsewhere. Index: ./src/libnrtype/nr-type-ft2.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/libnrtype/nr-type-ft2.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 nr-type-ft2.c --- ./src/libnrtype/nr-type-ft2.c 30 Oct 2003 10:29:49 -0000 1.2 +++ ./src/libnrtype/nr-type-ft2.c 9 Nov 2003 01:07:50 -0000 @@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ #include <freetype/ftbbox.h> #include "nr-type-ft2.h" -#define NRTFFT2_DEBUG +#define noNRTFFT2_DEBUG #ifdef NRTFFT2_DEBUG static int olcount = 0; Small stuff, but I'm taking baby steps in figuring out the code. Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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more kde removal
by Robert Crosbie 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

As part of the kde removal, I assume this would also need to be removed from configure.in: 276,285d275 < AC_ARG_WITH(kde, AC_HELP_STRING([--with-kde], [Compile with kde support (experimental)]), [kde=$withval], [kde=no]) < < AM_CONDITIONAL(USE_KDE, test "x$kde" = "xyes") < if test "x$kde" = "xyes"; then < AC_PROG_CXX < AC_PATH_KDE < KDE_CHECK_NEWLIBS < AC_DEFINE(WITH_KDE, 1, [Use experimental kde support]) < fi < 320d309 < KDE support: ${kde} Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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[Inkscape-tracker] [ inkscape-Patches-838528 ] Remove hacky KDE stuff (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

Thanks for the patch Manny, it's been accepted and applied to the codebase. Bryce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:21:16 -0800 From: SourceForge.net <noreply@...34...> To: noreply@...34... Subject: [Inkscape-tracker] [ inkscape-Patches-838528 ] Remove hacky KDE stuff Patches item #838528, was opened at 2003-11-08 20:17 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mannythegnome You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=604308&aid=838528&group_i… Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Christian Neumair (mannythegnome) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Remove hacky KDE stuff Initial Comment: Removes all dependencies on KDE's file selector. It really isn't work the effort and adds a lot of headache. In addition, you need to remove the file acinclude.m4. regs, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Christian Neumair (mannythegnome) Date: 2003-11-08 20:21 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=836555 Forgot to mention: You've got to remove src/modules/kde* as well. regs, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=604308&aid=838528&group_i… ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-tracker mailing list Inkscape-tracker(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-tracker

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Old extensions spec
by Bryce Harrington 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

I posted to Wiki the spec I did for the extensions system for Sodipodi. It's not as slick as full language bindings but was a cinch to implement. I also put the XML config. Might have ideas worth borrowing. Bryce

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more arrow keys fun - committed
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

I had to learn CVS which I never used before... Anyway, several files were just committed, with fixes and rewrites regarding the arrow keys in selector and node editor. Now they all work consistently to move by absolute or screen (with alt) distance, normal or 10x (with shift) speed. node-context.c was rewritten so that there's only one switch and every key checks its own modifiers. This made it a bit more bulky but now it's much more orthogonal and therefore easier to add new shortcuts. I have created a wiki page: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardShortcuts (imported from sodipodi) where I will track my progress with keyboard. Ideally, I would like to see the program almost totally controllable from keyboard, with only the tasks like freehand drawing left to mouse. Hopefully I will have some free time in the coming months to advance towards this goal. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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learning via wiki: preferences
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

Now I want to add a preference value for the default nudge distance so I can implement absolute-value movements with arrow keys, as planned. I started to figure this out but got stuck. I thought I coule use the wiki to speed this up. So I made a page where I described what I figured out so far: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HandlingPreferences If anyone could review, fix, and complete that description that would be great. I would learn what I want to learn, and we'll have a documentation resource for developers as a side effect. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] my first hack
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

> I couldn't get it to work? I applied your patch (which looks ok!) but > when I select some nodes and type on the keypad the node doesn't move. > with a few printfs I couldn't even get the even handler to get called. Strange - I just checked out the cvs (with my patch already applied, thanks to Bryce) and it works for me. Just select one or more nodes of a shape in the node editor (F2) and use arrows (both normal arrows and keypad arrows work), or arrows with shift if you want it to move 10 times faster. Can anyone else please check this? P.S. please always send both to the list and to my email when talking to me - thanks! -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] my first hack
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

I found that sometimes arrow keys don't work because other windows steal focus. For example a docked toolbar may steal focus (even though it's docked!), and the zoom value field in the bottom left corner also loves to grab the focus and not let it go. This is an old problem (see "usability" programming task on Sodipodi site). I will see what I can do about it - but I'm afraid it's too complex for me, so if a real programmer could look into that, that would be nice. Basically, we need non-canvas windows to send focus and keystrokes to the (current) canvas whenever possible. Still, if you click on the canvas first, the arrow keys always work :) -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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my first hack
by bulia byak 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

I just uploaded a patch to the sf patch tracker enabling arrow keys in node editor. This turned out to be simpler than I expected. Perhaps I will implement more of http://sodipodi.sourceforge.net/index.php3?section=development/tasks/keyboa… when I have time. Please review the patch and let me know if it will be accepted. Now, a question for your FAQ: why the fork? Was Lauris unwilling to collaborate? Being very busy lately I could not check the mailing list often, so please enlighten me. I understand that sometimes a fork may be the only thing to do, but was it really necessary in this case? What are you planning to do that was impossible to do without a fork? My reason for asking these questions is simple - I just want to know if I have to provide my patches to both Inkscape and Sodipodi or I can safely concentrate on one of them without being afraid that the other one will win in the long run :) -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape 0.35-pre0
by Robert Crosbie 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

>Message: 12 >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:15:25 -0800 (PST) >From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1...> >To: herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@...26...> >cc: inkscape-devel <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape 0.35-pre0 > >On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, herve couvelard wrote: > > > Bryce Harrington wrote: > > > Since SourceForge CVS can be iffy for some people, I've cut a source > > > tarball, that can be gotten here: > > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 > > > > > > Unless anyone has any objections, we can consider it in feature-freeze > > > for the next few days. Patches that fix compilation bugs, crashes, or > > > solve packaging issues are encouraged at this time. We'll also be > > > checking the bug tracker for critical or easily fixed issues. > > > > > > Bryce > > configure make make install went fine redhat9 kernel 2.4.20-19.9 > > didn't play much with it > > > > just one think : kde support : no > > > > Is it important ? did i missed something ? > >Lauris was experimenting with using some Qt/KDE features in Sodipodi. >We're planning on disabling and removing those because we think it's >best to focus on one windowing/widgeting system, and while we like KDE, >we decided to focus on Gtk (Gtkmm, specifically.) > >So leaving that turned off is appropriate. > >Bryce > ...and if you turn it on, you might not be able to link anyway. after ./configure --with-kde modules/libspmodules.a(kde.o)(.text+0x12c): In function `sp_kde_init': /home/rcrosbie/program/inkscape-0.35-pre0/src/modules/kde-private.h:20: undefined reference to `vtable for SPKDEBridge' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Inkscape 0.35-pre0
by Bryce Harrington 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Since SourceForge CVS can be iffy for some people, I've cut a source tarball, that can be gotten here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 Unless anyone has any objections, we can consider it in feature-freeze for the next few days. Patches that fix compilation bugs, crashes, or solve packaging issues are encouraged at this time. We'll also be checking the bug tracker for critical or easily fixed issues. Bryce

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devel questions
by herve couvelard 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

hello, I was using sodipodi for svg and gis. for what i understood, it seems that the forked inkscape will, in the future match more my goals. I would like to help with some gis stuffs : area of path (closed ones), area of intersection of path. intersection of path (with beziers curves) scales and so more.... I am not a C developper, but i started to learn a little as wome of my code will merge in a php extension (work one use twice.) will inkscape turn into C++ ? (i didn't understand all of the thing ?) i think i understood it would use a plug-in mechanism to 'merge' functionnalities in the soft, that would be a nice feature. how could that change the way of coding ? I know that my last question might be really 'over-over-not-cool', but it would be very helpfull for me to start if someone could tell me (or point me somewhere) in few lines : how create a toolbox. how to affects action to a drawn-objet: ex running a script that change the color of a path how to collect action to a drawn object : ex where is the code that complete the position_toolbox. i understand that is a newb-dummy question, but the name of the function with its source files would be sufficient. i am used to php so i 'understand' a little c code, and i would gain really time and effort. Herve

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Feature notes
by Cédric GEMY 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

-- Sorry I wanted to send this in the feature request part of the site but I'm always timed out. After reading Some docs on the website here are may some clues : -Scribus is a DTP coded in C++ (but with Qt). it can work with Python Script. May be have a look at this could help doing the same in Inkscape. -If the later can be done, this will help eventually include some of good Sketch (written in Python) possibilities in Inkscape. - Also Scribus has good NodeTool, and good text tool featuring textbox (frame) or text on a path. cheers Cédric

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Re to hervé
by Cédric GEMY 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

-- Hi hervé, I can understand your trouble. As i know a bit of PHP too, I tryied to unerstand something to Sodipodi's source code (mais c'est déjà trop évolué avec plein de dépendances etc...). But I'm sure there will be things wonderfull to do with Sodipodi and more with Inkscape if it is really object-oriented. For Toolbox, i've simply to GTK site but the difficulty is to merge C file with the others (which we still have to understand). $$ Je peux comprendre que des gens qui connaissent déjà tout ça n'aient pas envie de jouer les profs $$ I suppose we could help each other (we 2), and may be will succeed in this. I've proposed Lauris Kaplinsky to work on ToolBox because I think it is not very reasonnable. May be that could be a beginning. $$ je suis français il semble que toi aussi, je ne regarde pas mes mails tous les jours mais tu peux me joindre directement radar.map35@...27... A+ Cédric

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Re : logo
by Cédric GEMY 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

This looks nice, but it reminds me Quicksilver logo PS. Inkscape birth announced on svgfr.net !

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remaining distcheck
by Nathan Hurst 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

ERROR: files left after distclean: ./inkscape.desktop ./src/libnr/nr_config.h ./intltool-extract ./intltool-merge ./intltool-update make[1]: *** [distcleancheck] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home2/njh/cvs/inkscape/inkscape-0.0/=build' make: *** [distcheck] Error 2

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Logo
by Bryce Harrington 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

http://www.rydia.net/~mental/inkscape-logo.png Bryce

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greetings...svgx.org
by michael bolger 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Greetings, have added an "item" link to your very fine project at http://www.svgx.org -a service provided by the SVG Foundation. great stuff ahead cheers michael bolger

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PARTNERSHIP
by abiola keazors 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

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celtic knot question
by Robert Crosbie 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Well my first post to the list, without actually having received a digest yet, is to ask Bryce how he made the over-under effect in the celtic knot in the screenshot. Celtic knots are a fascination of mine: http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/celtic_svg.htm (older drawings) I use SVG to create plans for my woodworking hobby. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/woodworking.htm I browsed the wiki and saw the celtic knot plugin idea. I'm naturally all for it. :) Douglas Zongker has a neet celtic knot generator using a tiling method with output in postscriot here: http://isotropic.org/uw/knot/ I really hope I can provide some input to inkscape in the future. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie PS. I hope there are no flag posts. :) _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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New to the scene
by Jon A.Cruz 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Hi. I've been lurking on the sodipodi scene for a while, but now am getting time to actually contribute. At the same time Inkscape appears! Anyway, I've worked a fair bit with GTKmm before, and I'll try to see if anyone is on Jabber tonight (evening PST).

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Jabber, Email, Wiki, and Website
by Bryce Harrington 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Communication is key for the success of any team effort, and in open source projects, written communication is critical for success. Briefly I'd like to explain the different communication channels we have, in case some are unfamiliar with them. === Jabber === Chat is a convenient, immediate, and free-form way of exchanging information, and we make heavy use of it. For fun we decided to try out Jabber and liked it enough that we've continued to use it. Details about getting started with it are on the website. We'd like to know if people would prefer IRC, though. If enough people cannot or do not wish to use Jabber, then we should switch to IRC. Please speak up if you have an opinion on this. If you have a good discussion in chat that you think others might be interested in, consider sending a copy of the log to the mailing list. === Email Lists === Email is preferred for information that needs wider visibility, such as things that will require discussion in preparation for making decisions. The mailing lists are also archived, so new developers can review past discussions to get up to speed. If you see or write a good email on a topic that people will wish to refer to longer in the future, consider pasting a copy of it into Wiki, so that it'll be easier for people to find and maintain later. === Wiki === Wiki is the new discussion medium we're introducing. A Wiki is a website that can be edited and added to by anyone. It's like a virtual whiteboard, and that's how we want to use it. It's good for gaining wide visibility and its more persistant than email (no having to browse through archives). Wiki's are great for capturing info quickly and semi-permanently, and for writing collaboratively. This makes them perfect for brainstorming and hashing out plans, designs, floating proposals, etc. Wiki's can get a bit chaotic over time, and for people with only a quick interest in the project they can be too much effort to search through for "official" information. So, if a page in Wiki becomes 'official' enough that it needs higher visibility and/or more formality, consider turning it into a proper web page. === Website === The website is simple flat HTML files, using SSI to put the header and footer on. It's stored in the CVS module inkscape_web. Anyone with CVS commit permissions can and is encouraged to make changes to the website. Changes to the website are posted to the inkscape-cvs@ mailing list. Each communication medium has its strengths and weaknesses. If we are all good about using them appropriately, and promoting information from one to the next where beneficial, it will give Inkscape a great communication infrastructure. Miscommunication is a leading cause of trouble in projects, so it is well worth our effort to work to prevent them from occurring. Bryce

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Exciting!
by Jonathan Phillips 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

I have to say that INKSCAPE is very exciting! I really dig the name and the opening up rather than the bottlenecking of development is going to help. EXCELLENT! jon -- Jon Phillips UCSD Graduate Researcher Computational Media PO BOX 948667 La Jolla, Ca 92037 858.361.2811 www.protofunk.org jon@...15...

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Re: Re: more infos
by Cédric GEMY 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

-- Sorry if we misunderstood, I've to improve my english. For the manual, if there is a different UI in Sodipodi and in Inkspace, there's no trouble, if fonctions are the same, files are the same. The only things to do is to create a different file for Inkscape in there's some difference. In fact, since the manual is written in XML Docbook, the only need is to add an attribute specifying if the information is going for Sodipodi or Inkscape. Pages are automatically generated following this. But this was just a idea. In the future I'll use sourceforge tools, ans less the mailing list. But on the site, I didn't find no direct link to trackers and forums I had to follow the links in the project info section of the wiki Cédric

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Re : more infos about Inkscape
by Cédric GEMY 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Hi Bryce and everybody, I knew that Sodipodi has to be transferred to C++, but not it'd become a new project. Will Inskape be a standalone project, at the end completeley different from Sodipodi. If it is the case, why did you decide to make this new project ? What will it include in the future ? Will it tend so interactivity or animations edition ? Will it be compliant with SVG sub-recommandations as SVG-print ( is that the 'Ink') or SVG-Mobile? Who are the people developping Inkscape ? Are other people needed ? In which case and particular need ? Etc... I can try helping if the code is reasonably commented. At this time I'm still working on Sodipodi User Manual. I'm considering it as a free document. Since Inkscape has the same features than Sodipodi, and if it is convincing you, it can be intergrated as Inkscape Documentation. Friendly, Cédric

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Updates to Inkscape website
by Bryce Harrington 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

I added super preliminary FAQ and screenshot pages, and fleshed out the homepage with some news items. http://www.inkscape.org/ Bryce

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C++ fixes (mostly) complete
by MenTaLguY 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

I've essentially finished the C++ conversion; the only thing I had to give up on for now was getting spsvgview to build. I've disabled it for the present. The main application itself seems to work fine, at any rate. -mental

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tag
by MenTaLguY 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

By the way, I've tagged the version of the conversion that works for me with the tag 'g++-conversion'. -mental

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Objective for milestone 1
by Bryce Harrington 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

Given the amount of work the g++ conversion has taken, I'm simplifying the focus for milestone 1 to be completion and release of the g++ conversion and getting the website up to snuff. I think those are probably the two most important things right now, since a release and a website are prereqs to getting others involved. What do you guys think? I've listed some items for Milestone 2 but consider them extremely preliminary. I'm figuring that once we've got the C++ conversion securely under our belts, we're going to want some breathing time to do some random R&D, cleanup, etc. etc. so I think keeping the tasks for M2 flexible would be a good thing. Feel free to shove things that seem uninteresting/unimportant to you to the future, or move up or add things you are drawn to working on. Thinking beyond that to mid-term strategies, I figure we're going to want to have a mix of feature, architecture, and test development, and select a specific effort for each of these areas to focus on. Whatever work is selected for the architecture development, lets make sure to do it on a branch, as this type of work is the most likely to require leaving the tree in a broken state for a long time. Bryce

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Project Status
by Bryce Harrington 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

We're off to a good solid start. Milestone 0 is nearly done - we just need to wrestle Mental into posting 'experimental' ;-). We've got the codebase compiling under g++ now, and are down to linker errors. While it's turned out to be quote a battle, we're showing good teamwork that is bound to benefit us with future efforts. The Hydra branch got accepted and integrated into the Sodipodi codebase, which nicely validates our earlier efforts. The SourceForge project has been configured up, and we've got a first stab at a website. Several other Sodipodi developers have been notified of our intent; I've only heard from oka though, so I suspect we need to prove our mettle before gaining their support. Statistics ========== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 6103 (56.2%) Week's Rank on SourceForge: 6023 (56.8%) Lines of Code in src/: 115,754 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 Lines of content in website: 74 Days since last ChangeLog mod: 4 Bugs open/closed: 0/0 Features open/closed: 0/0 Patches open/closed: 0/0 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 148 Inkscape-devel membership: 4 Development Roadmap - Current Milestone 0 =================== Inkscape Production: * (DONE) Post hydra-october patchset to Sodipodi mailing list [bryce] * (DONE) Import sodipodi into inkscape CVS as module 'inkscape' from hydra-october [mental] * (DONE) Unsodipodify the tree, replacing instances of 'Sodipodi' with 'Inkscape' where appropriate (we will be keeping the sodipodi XML namespace for compatibility) [mental] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [bryce] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [mental] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [ted] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [njh] * (DONE) Decide what release number N to use (0.00? 0.33? 0.35? 1.00?) - we'll use 0.35 Inkscape Experimental * (DONE) Decide name for Mental's sketch 'inkscape-experimental'? 'experimental'? 'inkscape-next-gen'? -- It shall be called 'experimental' [mental] * Import code into CVS [mental] Inkscape Website * (DONE) Set up a Wiki [bryce] * (DONE) Post sketchy website with homepage, contact info, news, and pointer to wiki [bryce] * (DONE) Set up website to auto-rebuild every few minutes [bryce]

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Re: [Sodipodi-list] Karbon14: Bool-Ops, SVG-Import (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

May be worth checking out the codebase of Karbon to scope out if it'd be worth borrowing code/algorithms from it. I've added a task to wiki to do so. Bryce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:33:19 +0300 From: yemu@...7... To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Karbon14: Bool-Ops, SVG-Import > I just read some information about the upcoming K-Office 1.3, which contains a vector drawing app called Karbon14: > http://www.koffice.org/karbon/ karbon 14 seems to be very interesting app. hopefully it'll be possible to use boolops code (or other like eps import) from them. it looks like karbon is a little ahead of Sodipodi, so maybe itwould be possible to use what they have done already. best regards yemu ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ _______________________________________________ Sodipodi-list mailing list Sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list

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latest commits
by Nathan Hurst 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

I've been working my way through sodipodi making everything work with g++. At this point I have done: libnr/* libnrtype/* inkscape.c Not complete, but partly working: helpers widgets to test, just change the CC=gcc line in the makefile and make clean && make the aim is to have inkscape compile both in gcc and g++. biggest problem is _(). most effort has been fixing variables named 'new' and 'class' and sorting out the various string types. I also found a bug thanks to the type system (two params swapped) :). njh

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Planned tasks for milestone 0
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Given that we really just started this yesterday, it's impressive how far we've got so suddenly. The remaining tasks for this milestone are quite modest, and I think we could quite easily get them finished up today and have our first milestone behind us. :-) Bryce === Milestone 0 === Inkscape Production: * (DONE) Post hydra-october patchset to Sodipodi mailing list [bryce] * (DONE) Import sodipodi into inkscape CVS as module 'inkscape' from hydra-october [mental] * (DONE) Unsodipodify the tree, replacing instances of 'Sodipodi' with 'Inkscape' where appropriate (we will be keeping the sodipodi XML namespace for compatibility) [mental] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [bryce] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [mental] * Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [ted] * Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [njh] * Decide what release number N to use (0.00? 0.33? 1.00?) [mental] Inkscape Experimental * (DONE) Decide name for Mental's sketch 'inkscape-experimental'? 'experimental'? 'inkscape-next-gen'? -- It shall be called 'experimental' [mental] * Import code into CVS [mental] Inkscape Website * (DONE) Set up a Wiki [bryce] * (DONE) Post sketchy website with homepage, contact info, news, and pointer to wiki [bryce] * (DONE) Set up website to auto-rebuild every few minutes [bryce]

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CVS commit diff
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

I expect most people already know this but in case not here's a trick to get cvs commit to display a diff of what you're checking in: Create a file called ~/bin/cvsdiffedit: ---------------------------------- #!/bin/bash echo Building diff... cvs diff -u 2>/dev/null | perl -ne 'print "CVS: $_" unless /^\?/' >> $1 exec emacs $1 ---------------------------------- (Change 'emacs' to your favorite editor) Then put this in your .cshrc: ---------------------------------- ... if (-e $HOME/bin/cvsdiffedit) then setenv CVSEDITOR "$HOME/bin/cvsdiffedit" endif ... ---------------------------------- Or if you use BASH or similar: ---------------------------------- ... export CVSEDITOR=~/bin/cvsdiffedit ... ---------------------------------- Bryce

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Website auto-rebuild
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

The website is set to auto-update every couple minutes. To modify the website, check out inkscape_web, cd into src/, add or edit files and directories as desired, and do cvs commit. Docs on the EtText format are available from ettext.taint.org. Bryce

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New mailing lists
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

I've added two "auto-notify" mailing lists. inkscape-tracker@...6... is configured to get CC'd for all Bug, Patch, or Feature Request submissions sent by users. Useful for keeping in touch with what users are wanting. inkscape-cvs@...6... gets sent every CVS commit message. Useful for tracking what developers are doing. Enjoy, Bryce

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Install inkscape
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Now that Mental has imported inkscape into CVS, I recommend that each of us make an effort to download, compile, and install it within the next few days, and to force ourselves to start using it instead of sodipodi for all of our own personal vector drawing needs. I've created tasks for each of us to do this, on the plan. Please mark them (DONE) when you've finished installing it on your system. http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DevelopmentRoadmap Bryce

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Skeleton website
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

I blatantly stole the web structure, etc. from OSDL for us. http://www.inkscape.org/ I expect we'll chuck the color and look & feel stuff, but this gives us the basic structure, navigational elements, etc. This is checked into cvs as inkscape_web. This doesn't use php, so our URL's are going to be like normal URLs instead of hanging everything off of an index.php?foo=bar type thing. Since it uses TT2 we can still do a lot of the same scripting type stuff that can be done in PHP, only without any processing overhead. Bryce

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Copyright assignment policy
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

It is a common misconception that one should list as copyright holder for docs, sourcecode, etc. the name of the project, unless it is an actual legal entity. Obviously, 99% of open source projects aren't legal entities. Likewise, Inkscape isn't and probably won't be a legal entity, so can't hold copyright. Assigning copyright of something to a non-legal entity invalidates it. If there would ever happen to be any question of copyright, this would make it difficult to chase down who really holds the copyright. So ironically by trying to do something nice for the project it could cause more problems than it solves. Thank god that this is almost never ever an issue since open source projects rarely get into legal troubles. Instead, list yourself as the author and copyright holder for things you make, and make sure to declare it GPL'd. (If you wish, you can dual license with yourself and Inkscape if for some reason you're optimistic that one day someone will bother to file the papers to make it a legal entity.) Also take care to provide good contact info so folks can track you down 10 years from now if, for instance, they needed to assign you a bunch of stock options or something. ;-) Bryce

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hydra is in CVS
by MenTaLguY 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Just a quick note to let you guys know I've imported Hydra into CVS as module 'inkscape'. -mental

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DNS and other things
by MenTaLguY 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

I've finished twiddling DNS for inkscape.org to point at our SF webspace, I think, though it'll take a while for things to settle down and propagate. I've also added email aliases @inkscape.org for each of the currently added developers (y'all let me know if you object). Also, I'd like to congratulate bryce on his perennial state of being-on-the-ball with this mailing list thing and getting more folks added, so I didn't have to. ^_^ Next up is probably getting the goodies in CVS. I'm strongly in favor of labeling the Sodipodi fork "hydra", but I'm not sure what to call the piece of code I'm working on. I'd originally been thinking "hercules", but maybe just "inkscape" is fine? Also, is anyone any good with Doxygen? I'd like to start looking into that for both codebases... -mental

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"Invariants"
by Bryce Harrington 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

The book "Open Source Development with CVS" is IMHO the best source of good, solid advice about starting and running open source projects. (The odd numbered chapters talk about cvs, the even ones about open source dev.) For starting a new project one of the key things it recommends is to choose the "Invariants" for the project. That is to say, certain base assumptions that define with some specificity what the project will be (and, on the flip side, what it _won't_ be.) This is important because it helps potential users and developers in setting their expectations and determining if the project is worth their effort. Typical invariants would be file formats, programming languages, and key underlying libraries. Processes and policies could also be invariants if they would play a large role in how decisions are made in the project. The trick is to select specific enough invariants to make it easy to pigeon-hole the project, without painting yourself into a corner. Typical mistakes would be picking a programming language you're not totally familiar with, or a new library that you haven't discovered its quirks yet, or selecting hardware performance criteria that make sense today but turn out to be anemic and silly when you finally hit 1.00. Based on our discussions so far, it looks like the invariants might be: * Full SVG compliance * Core coded in C/C++ * Gtk-compliant user interface * Extensible using various scripting languages * Open, community-oriented development processes * Baseline is the Sodipodi 0.32 codebase * Strives to use commonly available libraries Thoughts? More? Less? I think the first three in particular are important items to establish firmly, because they are the types of things that can get endlessly argued back and forth and back again, until months path with zero results. Establishing them as invariants allows us all to admit and agree that C and C++ suck, and lets us get down to coding in them anyway. ;-) Bryce

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Inkscape Wiki now available
by Bryce Harrington 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

http://inkscape.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HomePage If you've used Wiki before, have at it, you know the drill. If not, click the 'edit' link and write what comes to mind. Bryce

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frist psot
by MenTaLguY 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

(or not)

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Welcome!
by Bryce Harrington 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

First post. ;-) Bryce

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