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svg icons
by Robert Crosbie 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

Just to confirm. Our preference is to try and load our icons from svg first and then default to xpm? I seem to remember reading something contrary to that in a code comment, not sure where now. Currently, I'm only looking at the xpm images when adding to the IconFactory, but I was planning on fixing that tonight. Rgrds, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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cvs update
by Mael 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

Hello, when I browse cvs (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/inkscape/inkscape/src/) everything is at least 5 days old, why can't I see the last changes ? I'm trying to update my local cvs to try Robert Crosbie changes concerning icons but can't get recent files (CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@...54...:/cvsroot/inkscape). What am I doing wrong ? M

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cvs snapshots
by Kees Cook 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

While the original "download" webpage was fairly empty, the addition of the cvs-snap/ directory might make it more meaningful. At present, there isn't really any other good place to put a link to the nightly tarballs. What do the web folks think about putting download.php back into service looking something like: Sourceforge Releases -------------------- http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 Nightly CVS Tarballs -------------------- Current: http://www.inkscape.org/cvs-snap/inkscape-current.tar.bz2 Historical: http://www.inkscape.org/cvs-snap/ -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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[Fwd: Cron <gouldtj@...75...> /home/users/g/go/gouldtj/update.tarball.sh]
by Ted Gould 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

Can someone do a 'chmod g+w /home/groups/i/in/inkscape/htdocs/cvs-snap' for me? --Ted -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Cron Daemon <root@...74...> > To: gouldtj@...58... > Subject: Cron <gouldtj@...75...> /home/users/g/go/gouldtj/update.tarball.sh > Date: 20 Nov 2003 04:45:17 -0800 > > mv: cannot create regular file `/home/groups/i/in/inkscape/htdocs/cvs-snap/inkscape-20031119.tar.bz2': Permission denied >

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transformation innaccuracies
by Robert Crosbie 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

I noticed the transformations applied to objects is quite inaccurate: <rect width="200.000000" height="200.000000" x="100.000000" y="100.000000" style="font-size:12;fill:#808080;fill-rule:evenodd;stroke-width:1pt;" id="rect562" /> Opening the transformations dialog and applying 10 horizontal gives this: <rect width="200.000000" height="200.000000" x="112.500000" y="99.9999695" style="font-size:12;fill:#808080;fill-rule:evenodd;stroke-width:1pt;" id="rect562" /> Also, If I take that original square and rotate it 10, I get this: <rect width="200.000000" height="200.000000" x="62.2319183" y="131.691177" transform="matrix(0.984808,-0.173648,0.173648,0.984808,0.000000,0.000000)" style="font-size:12;fill:#808080;fill-rule:evenodd;stroke-width:1pt;" id="rect562" /> Why have my x and y changed? Shouldn't the matrix handle all aspects of the transformation and leave x and y as they were? Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Website broken links and stylesheets
by Alan Horkan 20 Nov '03

20 Nov '03

http://www.inkscape.org/ "November 13, 2003 - Tvon is working on the look and feel for the website. A version without CSS <URL:http://home.etria.org/nocss.html> is also available, as well as the original mockup. " The link i've inlined in the text above does not work, I would suggest putting an editorial note [Broken] to indicate the link is no longer available. As the web page designer is willing to provide a no CSS version it would be great if (s)he could specify a title for the style sheet and specify default/alternative so that users of Mozilla and Opera can easily turn off the stylesheet by choosing View -> Use Style. (I've just learnt CSS recently, dont ask me any difficult questions please :) In future would you prefer if I posted a bug report instead of emailing the list? (or is there a web maintainer I should mail directly, the is none indicated in the usual place, at the bottom of the page). Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ (this was another mail left languishing in my drafts folder all week, the webpage has switched over to the new design since then and it is sweet)

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menu layout - small suggestion
by Yemu 20 Nov '03

20 Nov '03

i've just tried BORKEN branch and i like it a lot. i have a small idea though: i think that first menu item called "Inkscape" now, should be renamed to "About" and moved to the right end of the menu bar. cause in most applications "File" is always the first menu item, and this is what users are used to (me too :-) thanks to all developers for great improvements! when do you plan 0.36? best regards yemu

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[ 845018 ] save crash
by Robert Crosbie 20 Nov '03

20 Nov '03

Here's a patch to fix the save crash bug. It appears the wrong variable was being passed when the type was autodetect. There are still a few problems with saving/opening files, but at least it doesn't crash. - autodetect fails if no extension is added to filename (.svg) - on quit, still says I have unsaved changes, even though I saved - can't open compressed svg unless it has .svgz extension. cvs won't let me commit and gives me this error: cvs server: sticky tag `1.4' for file `system.c' is not a branch cvs [server aborted]: correct above errors first! Index: src/modules/system.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/modules/system.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -r1.2 system.c 172c172 < sp_module_db_foreach(save_internal, (gpointer)&omod); --- > sp_module_db_foreach(save_internal, (gpointer)&parray); Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: the GUI changes on the BORKEN tag
by Bob Jamison 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

I checked it out, built it (with no problems), and gave it a try. I really like it a lot. The original layout might be familiar to users who also use the Gimp, but I think this would be more amenable to desktop artists. IMHO, if this breaks nothing, it would be well to mainline this branch. Good job. Bob

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cvs snapshots
by Kees Cook 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

I've created a /cvs-snap directory off the main website. There is an update.sh script (that needs execute bits...) in inkscape_project/tarball/update.sh. Can this get added to the crontab after the doxygen run? And if people like the results, let's add it to the website somewhere under "downloads". -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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Re : New SDI Interface
by Cédric GEMY 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

Wow, I don't really know how it works at this time. But this is a good reason to make some reserch. I'll keep you informed if I find something interesting. May be you'll question that can help in a larger view of the subject. Cedric

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alternate jabber room
by Kees Cook 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

Since jabber.org's server was having issues over the weekend, I had a friend of mine that runs a jabber server set up a room for us: room: inkscape server: conference.gristle.org Let me know if this works for everyone... -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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save crash
by bulia byak 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

Today's CVS crashes when sttempting to save file. I tracked it down to sp_module_db_foreach(save_internal, (gpointer)&omod); in modules/system.c. Anyone can have a look? -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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New SDI Interface
by Cédric GEMY 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

-- I like it wel and it is much butter than previous. May be I should have stored Groups/Combine & Superposition Menus in an "Object" Menu. It's the case in Adobe Illustrator and I find it successful and logical. For Zoom is just a screen effect for displaying object, it's a good thing to have a specific menu for zoom factors directly in document window. May be it would possible to delete the Zoom group in the toolbox. At the end, just a question about Inkscpae Language. Is there anybody working on a french trnaslations of the menus and dialogs. If no can I take this in charge ? Default Gnome po are not always very good for such specific applications. Cédric

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docked toolboxes
by MenTaLguY 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

Out of curiousity, how many of you folks out there currently use docked toolboxes? (i.e. extra toolboxes embedded in the document window) I'm seriously considering killing the feature to free up UI space. We still have the floating toolbox, and that's the way most drawing apps do it. The recent transient work also diminishes the advantage of having a toolbox in the window -- the detached toolbox now stays raised with the document window too. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] win32 test build + exit on closing last document
by Yemu 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

M> 1- Install gtk runtime from http://www.dropline.net/gtk/download.php M> 2- Download http://195.221.122.126/tmp/inkscape-0.36cvs-w32.exe [1.22 Mo], M> extract, and change the path to your gtk libs in inkscape.bat M> 3- Run inkscape.bat thanks! it basically works, but i noticed some things on my w2k system: transient windows doesn't work :-( they all stay on the desktop when i minimize my document - they are also listem on the taskbar - it shouldn't be like that i think? (i can't can't compare because i can't update my linux version - cvs from sourceforge is a little old) only "fill and stroke", "document settings" and "align" stay on top (and toolbar of course) only "fill and stroke" remembers its position thanks again from all the dual-boot users out there i think :-) and thanks for bulia for great dialogs. one more thing: i'm not sure if exiting inkscape on closing last document is a good behaviour. it prevents user from doing such simple thing like closing the document and opening another one (if there's no other document open inkscape will exit). i don't like it. maybe the idea would be to show some special dialog when user closes last document. the options on such dialog might be "Cancel", "Save & Exit", "Exit Without Saving", "Open Existing Document" and "Create New Document". what do you think about that? inkscape is great! best regards yemu

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please retest transiency
by bulia byak 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

I will be grateful to whoever can test latest CVS with a view to transient dialogs. In particular, when two or more documents are open, do the toolbox and fill/stroke stay on top when you switch between document windows? Especially if the document windows are maximized? Thanks! -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: translations
by Cédric GEMY 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

-- Ok, I'll try to do something with that po french-file. Just wait fews days. Cheers Cédric

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win32 test build
by Mael 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

Hello, I tried to build what is currently in anonymous cvs. Here are (new) problems I faced in building inkscape with MinGW (and gcc not tried g++) * modules/ps.c `SIGPIPE' undeclared -> I commented the call to signal , don't know what it does and how to fix it * toolbox.c toolbox.c: In function `sp_toolbox_file_create': toolbox.c:342: `action' undeclared (first use in this function) -> Someone has removed the declaration SPAction *action; * modules/extension.c undefined reference to `mkstemp' -> see http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/glib/glib-File-Utilities.html#g-mkst… ? * Libxml2 I had to use version 2.4 of dll because 2.6 results in a crash. Anyone has tried to link against 2.6 on linux ? To try it : 1- Install gtk runtime from http://www.dropline.net/gtk/download.php 2- Download http://195.221.122.126/tmp/inkscape-0.36cvs-w32.exe [1.22 Mo], extract, and change the path to your gtk libs in inkscape.bat 3- Run inkscape.bat Almost not tested but it seems that the problem when regional decimal symbol = comma (instead of dot) is back (don't know if it's due to my build or what) :( I've not included translations in the archive. M

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] win32 test build
by bulia byak 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

Merci beaucoup! :) It looks like magic to me :) but it actually works - at least under my win98. Rough around the edges, but seems to be basically usable. At least my own stuff seems to work. Transient windows are ok (with one small glitch which I think I know how to fix). Keypad works as expected. Problems I've seen so far: - constant stream of messages about being unable to find some "MS sans serif 7" font. - one crash upon exit. Although I did not test much yet. Re: compilation problems, feel free to patch toolbox.c. Not sure about the others, they need to be looked into - if you figure them out that would be great. If you don't have developer access, ask Bryce, I think it's not a problem. Even if you just compile the windows version from time to time, that will be much help. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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User Manual
by Cédric GEMY 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

I've just put a first french release of the Sodipodi User Manual on http://www.svgfr.net. This only deals with tool description. I'll now work on themas (working with colors ...) and tutorials. I'm proposing to begin a translation of the existent to english and also to make it useable for Inkscape. If english speaker are ready to help me, or correct my mistakes, I'm OK. Cédric

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new menu
by bulia byak 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

The new menu looks nice, now if only I could compile it: window.c: In function `sp_utility_window_new': window.c:56: `GDK_WINDOW_TYPE_HINT_UTILITY' undeclared (first use in this function) window.c:56: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once window.c:56: for each function it appears in.) I guess I need to upgrade my gtk, right? One comment on the screenshot: while you are at it, could you remove the minimize button from the toolbox? It really serves no useful purpose. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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preferences broken?
by bulia byak 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

I gave up trying to find out why inkspace_dispose does not run, nor whether it is supposed to run, so I did this: void inkscape_exit (Inkscape *inkscape) { // added if (inkscape->preferences) { inkscape_save_preferences (inkscape); } gtk_main_quit (); } This works for me. Preferences are saved on exit. I also added saving preferences to segv_handler so they are not lost upon crash. What troubles me is that I still don't understand how it worked before. Has anyone changed anything recently that could affect this? Please object and criticize. If there are no objections I will commit this change. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] docked toolboxes
by bulia byak 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

> Out of curiousity, how many of you folks out there currently use docked > toolboxes? (i.e. extra toolboxes embedded in the document window) > >I'm seriously considering killing the feature to free up UI space. On the contrary, I would like to eventually see all dialogs dockable, so that users can choose what they want docked and what they want floating. This seems to be how the modern apps behave. I agree that with transiency, floating dialogs are now usable, but docked ones still have two advantages: - they don't overlap anything. This may be more intuitive for some users. - they better emulate the Windows model where, basically, floating child windows do not have a focus of their own. E.g. palettes in Illustrator are _all_ focused when the parent window has focus. Only a widget within a floating palette can have focus; if no widgets are focused, all input goes to the parent window. This is what our transients still cannot quite emulate but what dockables can (even though they are not floating). So, though it's not high priority at the moment, I'd like all dialogs to become dockable, and I don't like the idea of killing the only one which is dockable now. What are the benefits of this? -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] cvs update
by bulia byak 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

Yes, the web interface at sf.net seems to be broken for some time, but checking out via CVS works and gives you the up-to-the-minute version. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Difference between sodipodi and inscape?
by Jonathan C. Sitte 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What is the big difference between sodipodi and inscape? I have both installed and do not see a big difference at the moment. I am sure there will be soon but what about now? Just a thought ;). - -- Jonathan C. Sitte <jcsitte@...67...> Digital Arts & Computer Technology http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/ 917.414.2559 M-F 8AM-10PM Public Key: http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/0x40E69A47-pubkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uEpCbzreREDmmkcRAhn+AJ0Xtfs3OtsM+IBzmLIpemLvBQc9XgCgj/n3 n7M8PEUU5M7BwLIxcNBRkfQ= =cR4M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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more stock images
by Robert Crosbie 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

Im my latest commit, I have replaced all calls to gtk_image_new_from_file with gtk_image_new_from_stock. My next setp will be to replace the calls to sp_icon_new*, gtk_pixmap_new*, etc. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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KDE file dialogues
by James Ots 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

Hi, I think it would be really nice if the KDE file dialogues could be put back into inkscape as a compile-time option, like in sodipodi. I can cope with the rest of inkscape being gtk (I don't like it, but I can cope!), but KDE's file dialogues are just too nice to go without. -- Cheers James Ots www.jamesots.com

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A dozen patches
by Bryce Harrington 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

There's a dozen patches in the patch tracker waiting for reviewing and integration. Half are old ones I pulled from the Sodipodi mailing list archives and will need reviewing. If everyone with CVS commit rights could take one or two, we should be able to clear the queue out no prob. Thanks, Bryce

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layers
by MenTaLguY 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

Last night, I hammered out the most important part of implementing layers -- with latest CVS, you can use the XML editor to set the inkscape:groupmode attribute of a group to "layer", and be able to edit its children directly. There's still a lot of UI and refinement work to do, however; I've outlined it on the Wiki here: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DocumentLayers -mental

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dialog titles
by bulia byak 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

I removed duplication of dialog titles - now they are taken from the corresponding verb and are thus the same as the commands that open them. While at it, I also added the dialog's shortcut automatically added in parentheses. Press ctrl-shift-f to see an example. I think this is good for usability, as the user gets a clue at once what to press to bring the focus to a dialog, and next time he's likely to remember to use the shortcut to open it. Any comments? -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Proposal for an alternate object properties palette ( floater, widg-a-log, translette )
by T Ingham 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

Hello again all, This memo will serve to be the genus for what I would eventually like to propose. I'm hoping for plenty of feedback from everyone to make this tool as useful as possible. The core concept is quite simple really, enumerate and visually explain all editable parameters of a given shape on the canvas in a single floating palette. 1. Problem Although much work is being done to promote existing dialogs to the status of sane players on the workspace front, there are still pitfalls in having all manner of oversized and disproportionate dialogs open on the screen. Namely is simple visual clutter. Having several windows open at once can cause both new users to become lost quickly, and more seasoned users wasting time fidgeting with dialogs to position them according to their wishes. 2. Accessibility concerns Using many dialogs, users that cannot or do not use the mouse are asked to traverse 3 tiers of information to edit shape data outside the canvas. First they must achieve focus on a dialog ( ctrl+# ) , second they must select ( in some cases ) a tab containing the subset of data they wish to manipulate ( tab key? ) and third they must gain focus on the cell or control that allows them to make the edit ( tab key? ). 3. Solution Provide an additional ( or alternative depending on how you lean ) palette for editing shape properties that contains an hierarchical list of property groups and properties. This window would behave exactly as other palettes ( esc to focus canvas, enter to affect change ), but would centralize object properties in one dialog minimizing the memory cost to the user for keyboard shortcuts to open dialogs ( they would only need one, and we could make it an easy one, cmd+i // get info // ) Once the dialog has focus, the user could then use the arrow keys to locate the property they wish to edit and affect the change desired. While it may seem that we will lose the specificity of multiple dialogs, this interface would provide us with a more open method of combining property sets, and in the future it could be used as the basis for generating custom property dialogs per user utilizing xml documents to store dialog layout information. 4. A few key points It appears that currently, you cannot enter a numerical value in the float fields of the color dialog, is this intended behavior? Users would be able to close tree paths in this new properties palette that they might not use often, this allows the user to immediately improve their productivity when performing these types of edits. Thanks for your time as always, I hope this stirs the pot a bit. -Thomas

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Inkscape stock support
by Robert Crosbie 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

Ok, If everything went well with my first commit, I have just added some initial GtkIconFactory support. So far I have only converted the stroke_style dialog to register and lookup icons in the stock icons. There were two new files added. src/inkscape-stock.h - define new stock icons here src/inkscape-stock.c - add new stock icons to the list There were three files modified: src/Makefile.am - added inkscape-stock.[ch] src/main.c - initializes the stock icons dialogs/stroke-style.c - now calls gtk_image_new_from_stock. I basicaly followed the way gaim and gimp were using GtkIconFactory. I'll be adding more support and converting other dialogs later. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio

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indent options
by Robert Crosbie 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

I was just wondering what indenting convention we were using for inkscape. If I had some new code to submit, what indent command should I run on it to make sure it looks like all the other code? Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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preferences broken?
by bulia byak 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

Maybe it's just me, but the .inkscape/preferences file is never saved. On my machine it is dated Nov 13; since then, nobody touched it. I figured that it's because the inkscape_dispose function is not run upon exit. Where is it supposed to be called? I tried this: void inkscape_exit (Inkscape *inkscape) { g_object_run_dispose (inkscape); // added gtk_main_quit (); } but this resulted in lots of failed asserts, so it's perhaps the wrong place. Someone please fix this! -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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[PATCH] trivial: renamed "desactivate" to "deactivate"
by Kees Cook 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

Trivial patch attached... -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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[PATCH] fix for GDK_SCROLL event blindness
by Kees Cook 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

Attached is the fix for mouse wheel support. This is against anon CVS, and I know you just did a big code merge, so hopefully this will be easy to apply since it's so small. :) -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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[Inkscape-wiki] The DevelopmentRoadmap page at Wiki has been changed. (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

I've added a new mailing list for tracking changes to the wiki. The emails you get look like the one below. The emails are sent only when the wiki author checks the "Send to mailing list" checkbox, so this list should be fairly light traffic. To subscribe to this or other lists, go here: http://www.inkscape.org/mailing_lists.php Bryce P.S. The inkscape-cvs@ list is great for keeping an eye on what everyone's working on. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:03:28 -0800 From: InkscapeWiki@...58... Reply-To: bryce@...1..., tingham@...59..., tvon@...60..., rick@...61..., inkscape-wiki(a)lists.sourceforge.net To: bryce@...1..., tingham@...59..., tvon@...60..., rick@...61..., inkscape-wiki(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-wiki] The DevelopmentRoadmap page at Wiki has been changed. The Wiki page DevelopmentRoadmap at http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DevelopmentRoadmap has been changed by Bryce to revision 73. (Replying to this notification will send email to the entire mailing list, so only do that if you mean to. To remove yourself from this list, visit http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=editprefs .) ------------------------------------------------------- This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl _______________________________________________ Inkscape-wiki mailing list Inkscape-wiki(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-wiki

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Project Status
by Bryce Harrington 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

Project Status - November 15, 2003 ---------------------------------- Activity and progress with the project over the past two weeks has been far beyond expectations. Inkscape 0.35 has been completed and released. We've redesigned and fleshed out the website (and wiki) considerably. Our activity rating on SourceForge hit the upper 99th percentile. And numerous developers have contributed new features, bug fixes, and experimental prototypes and mockups. Further, we've established our project identity and are forming into a friendly development-focused community. Now that the release is out, we will be applying our focus to implementation of some new features. We wish to do this before heading forth into major architectural changes so that we have a solid release with new capabilities to offer users in the near term. Statistics Nov 02 Nov 15 ========== ====== ====== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 6103 4391 (56.2%) (68.5%) Week's Rank on SourceForge: 6023 62 (56.8%) (99.6%) Lines of Code in src/: 115,754 115,901 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 1,135 Lines of content in website: 74 1,173 Size of the Inkscape wiki: 0 3,700 Days since last ChangeLog mod: 4 0 Bugs open/total: 0/0 9/15 Features open/total: 0/0 18/18 Patches open/total: 0/0 1/ 6 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 148 481 Inkscape-devel membership: 4 49 Inkscape-announce membership: 0 9

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Milestone 2
by Bryce Harrington 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

Here's the tasks for Milestone 2, which will correspond to the Inkscape 0.36 release. http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DevelopmentRoadmap The focus of this milestone is on implementing new features. I've tried to capture what folks are working on but if I've missed something please update the Wiki or reply to this email. In particular I wasn't sure what to list for Bulia Byak and Robert Crosbie. There are also a few important tasks that we don't have a developer for. If you can volunteer for the task please let me know or add your name to the task in Wiki. === Milestone 2 === Objective: Implement new features & do prep work for major changes in future Inkscape Production: * (DONE) Create Freshmeat project for Inkscape [tgould] * (DONE) Remove the KDE / Qt code and dependencies [manny] * Check all listed Sodipodi bugs and copy recreatible ones to Inkscape's CVS tracker * Copy open patches from Sodipodi patch tracker to Inkscape * Add modelines to source files for popular editors (vim/emacs) [tvon] * Implement preliminary support for doxygen or doc++ in the codebase [joncruz] * Implement preliminary support for arrowheads on path ends [bryce] * Implement preliminary support for layers [mental] * Implement preliminary support for iso & hex grid [njh] * Eliminate all warnings in g++ build process on Linux [joncruz] * Release 0.36 and post to Freshmeat [tgould] * Create RPM for 0.36 [bryce] * Create Deb for 0.36 * Create Window exe package for 0.36 Inkscape Experimental R&D * Identify the remaining XML compliance bugs needing to be fixed & add to plan for M3/M4 [mental] * (DONE) Describe what needs to be done to fix ambiguous default namespace issue [mental] * Select a regression test system strategy (cutest?) [mental] * Build a prototype grid options dialog using gtkmm [njh] * Prototype stroking/path enhancements [njh] * Create list of requirements for plugin system & gain team concensus on it [joncruz, bryce] Inkscape Website & Project * (DONE) Convert wiki to new look and feel [tvon] * Convert website to new look and feel [tvon] * Post project status [bryce] * See if it's possible to make wiki send edit notification to a mailing list & set it up if so [bryce] * Figure out why http://www.inkscape.org/mockups/export_dialog_02.png doesn't display [tvon] * Plan out Milestone 3 [bryce]

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Milestone 1 achieved
by Bryce Harrington 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

The tasks for Milestone 1 are completed. === Milestone 1 === Inkscape Production * (DONE) Get inkscape to build with a C++ compiler [team] * (DONE) Fix CDATA issue [mental] * (DONE) Get codebase to successfully complete `make distcheck` -- mental says 'worksforme' [team] * (DONE) Fix 'snap to guides' crash bug [bryce] * (DONE) Update the about dialog to include the new logo and version [bryce, tvon] * (DONE) Cut a release of Inkscape 0.35 [ted] * (DONE) Upload release tarball of Inkscape 0.35 to Inkscape SF file manager [ted] Inkscape Experimental * (DONE) Initiate work on grid-proto code & put in CVS [njh] * (DONE) Conceptualize a new export dialog in python [tvon, njh] Inkscape Website & Project * (DONE) Create logo for Inkscape [team] * (DONE) Create look and feel graphical design prototype for website [tvon] * (DONE) Create 3+ screenshots of Inkscape Production [bryce] * (DONE) Flesh out website more fully [bryce] * (DONE) SourceForge RFE section needs setting up (categories and groups) [bryce] * (DONE) Create inkscape_project module & add wiki.pl there [bryce]

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New tracker categories
by Bryce Harrington 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

I've added the following categories in each of the trackers: Other UI Node Editing Shape Editing Printing Saving Exporting Color Transformations Build

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Escaping Dialogs
by T Ingham 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

Hello all, Nate suggested that it might be a good idea for me to vocalize my thoughts on a particular recent patch to Ink. I don't think that this is a bad patch at all, as it demonstrates how quickly we can change the behavior of this application, and integrate it with the source base. Not only that but it is a perfect example of how the dev plan works. Patch now, talk later. So that's what I'm here to do, in reference to the patch which applies the Escape key event to hiding the currently selected dialog. The points I am taking issue with stem from both my years of experience using Adobe Illustrator, as well as being a thoughtful user of all manner of software applications. While I don't have any reference handy to any sort of HIG on this behavior, I'm sure you'll take me on my word that using the Escape key in this manner is a "bad thing". Here's why: #1. Intended behavior. When I am editing a value in a dialog, and I type the wrong value into a text field, I would immediately think "Escape that command" or "Revert" this results in me hitting the Escape key, where I expect that I can then type in the appropriate value into the text field. Instead, Inkscape will kindly void my transaction and hide the input mechanism. This results in me having to open the dialog again, and enter the new value. Instead of hiding the dialog, I believe that the event tree should happen in this order: - Revert any currently focused field to it's previous value. - If no fields are currently focused, send the main focus of the application to the Canvas window. This will leave the dialog in it's current position, ( which is only a problem until we figure out how to root these dialogs in a constant location ) and perform the Escape routine as expected. #2. Spatiality When aiming to provide users with a consistent and workflow-friendly interface, it is of the utmost importance that we allow the user to decide what is placed where, and when. This means that palettes really should respond to meta-keys at all ( save for undo and enter for application of current edit ) The dialogs in Inkscape are non-modal, and therefore closing them is not a trivial thing. It is forseeable that in the future, a dialog such as the Object Properties window will remain open for the duration of a work cycle. It would be used to monitor a drag operation for placement of a shape in the current document, as well as other utilities. When dialogs become not only mechanisms to edit information, but also to view information, the location on the screen simply *must* be maintained. Dialogs that move and disappear are of only moderate usefulness. #3. Alternatives In Illustrator, you can hide all dialogs by hitting "Tab", this provides you with a quick device for previewing your work without interface clutter, or maximizing your work area regardless of tool panels. Tab again will show the dialogs that were hidden in the last operation. I propose that we implement this with one addition: Shift+Tab, or Shift+~ would be used for closing the currently selected ( focused ) dialog. While I don't believe that users will often want to close dialogs such as Object Style, or Properties, there are some dialogs which operate in a near modal fashion: Transformation ( which could be seen as a single cycle operation ) "Open Transformation Dialog"->"Apply Transformation"->"Close Transformation Dialog" however these sorts of operations should be grouped together. Perhaps we could spend some time identifying which palettes would most likely remain open, and which would be single cycle operations, group them together, and apply different UI characteristics for each group. If those key commands are reserved, I'm sure we could find an equally appropriate set of actions to assign to this process. I don't think it's without cause that the patch was applied, however I do think that we should be aiming at producing dialogs which the user will keep open and assign locations to. This is the sort of thing that increases productivity with any application, without much effort from the user. I believe that the term Dialog is being misused here, and perhaps that is where most of the problem is coming from. To be effective, we should class out the windows that should be palettes apart from the dialogs. We could then provide some form of modality for the dialogs that are left, and windows would behave differently depending on what was to be done. I welcome any further discussion on this, as I could be totally off-base with the entire thing. I guess we really wouldn't know until we could see it implemented both ways and by then all the work would be done. Thanks for your time and patience, -Thomas

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Re: Sodipodi flags collection
by Christian Schaller 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

Hi Dirk, I am sending this mail to the sodipodi and inkscape lists as I think the people there can both better reply than me and are also the people most able to look at the import code you are pointing to. I hope to see this code or a derrative of it enter sodipodi or inkscape giving us EPS/Postscript import as it is something I really miss. Christian On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 12:38, Dirk Sch��nberger wrote: > > Hi Dirk, > > Well our problem is that Sodipodi doesn't currently support importing > > EPS images. I am also a bit worried about copyright issues with your > > flags since you say they come from a variety of sources. > > > But thanks for the offer :) > > > Christian > > No problem about the images. > > Do you have a import framework at hand for Sodipodi? > I have done some data conversion work for Postscript related file formats, > namely Adobe Illustrator (AI). > Version 1 is implemented in C++, you can find it the KDE CVS, module > koffice/import/karbon/ai (or somesuch) > Combined with ghostscript's ps2ai filter it should be possible to do > importing generic EPS files. > > Version 2 is currently only a prototype implemented in Ruby. It provides a > SAX like API to Adobe Illustrator files, which I think makes using the > filter in applications easier. > The filter is again in KDE CVS, module kdenonbeta/opal/import/ai (or > somesuch). > > Currently I have no target format besides XML where I can see the results of > my importer, so I kind of stopped working on it. > > Regards > Dirk > > > > > >

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Re: [Inkscape-cvs] inkscape/src/dialogs
by T Ingham 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

I just wanted to share in a moment of bliss. I absolutely love it when I see bulia byak in the "From" column. -thomas On Nov 15, 2003, at 5:00 AM, bulia byak wrote: > Update of /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/dialogs > In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv29274/src/dialogs > > Modified Files: > object-properties.c > Log Message: > fixed window title > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC > GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from > any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! > https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/ > g22lp.tmpl > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-cvs mailing list > Inkscape-cvs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-cvs >

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Re: [Sodipodi-list] Sodipodi SVG flags 1.0
by Bryce Harrington 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Christian Schaller wrote: > Sodipodi flags 1.0 > > This is the first release of the Sodipodi flag collection. This > collection currently consist of over 210 different international and > local flags. The flags are donated by their authors into the public > domain. The flags are in the scalable and free SVG format which today > is supported by most major vector graphics programs. > > The assembly of this huge collection has been made possible thanks to > the hard work of many people. We big thank you goes to all our > contributors listed in the CREDITS file distributed with this package. > We would especially like to thank Tobias Jacobs, Sigge Kotliar, Cezary > Biel, Brett Roper, Daniel McRae and Lauris Kaplinski, whose > contributions count for around half the collection. Congratulations and thank you to all who have made this possible. Having a complete collection of SVG flags in the public domain will be of great benefit to SVG and to the technical world in general. This project is also proving to be an excellent example of the power of the open source development model in action. Keep up the great work everyone! Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] CVS help
by herve couvelard 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@...54...:/cvsroot/inkscape co > inkscape > > That will put the data in your local directory (so make sure you're > where you want the data when you run the command). > > --Ted > that was it.. simple in fact when someone knows :-) thanks hervé

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CVS help
by herve couvelard 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

Hello.. Could someone be very helpfull and give the command (linux's one ) to use cvs . I think it is soething like this : EXPORT CVS root cvs -Z3 (??) .......... because i can't find the way to do it eaysily and as i am not a anciant user of nux.... i would appreciate a way to do it without downloading the complete code... thanks Hervé

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[Fwd: Sodipodi SVG flags 1.0]
by Ted Gould 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

This might be of interest to Inkscape folks too! Plus we even got a mention. --Ted -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Christian Schaller <uraeus@...55...> > Subject: Sodipodi SVG flags 1.0 > Date: 13 Nov 2003 21:03:36 +0100 > > Sodipodi flags 1.0 > > This is the first release of the Sodipodi flag collection. This > collection currently consist of over 210 different international and > local flags. The flags are donated by their authors into the public > domain. The flags are in the scalable and free SVG format which today > is supported by most major vector graphics programs. Most flags are done > using the Sodipodi vector drawing application. In others words these are > free flags in a free format made with a free application. > > The core collection of flags in this collection are meant to be as > accurate as possible. If you discover flags in here that have wrong > proportions or wrong colors then please update the flag with the correct > colors or sizes and send it to us with an explanation. > > New flags are of course also welcomed, but remember we need a clear > statement from you that you dedicate the flag to the public domain, > preferably using the Creative Commons public domain dedication process > found here: > http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2 > We do hope that many of you take some time to help us make this an even > more complete collection. > > We hope that this collection can be useful to people in many different > settings be that in relation to software, publishing, education and so > on. > > The assembly of this huge collection has been made possible thanks to > the hard work of many people. We big thank you goes to all our > contributors listed in the CREDITS file distributed with this package. > We would especially like to thank Tobias Jacobs, Sigge Kotliar, Cezary > Biel, Brett Roper, Daniel McRae and Lauris Kaplinski, whose > contributions count for around half the collection. > > You can see all of the currently contributed flags here: > http://www.sodipodi.com/index.php3?section=clipart/flags > > The creation of these flags had not been possible without the hard work > that free software coders have put into great tools like Sodipodi and > librsvg. The projects have helped increase the viability of SVG in free > and open source software a lot. > > Both these two tools and the new Inkscape project do need more coders in > order to improve further. For instance you will notice that many of the > SVG flags do not render correctly in Nautilus due to some problems with > librsvg. People interested in working on these and other issues are > highly encouraged to join the project mailing-lists. You find the > projects here: > http://www.sodipodi.org > http://librsvg.sf.net > http://www.inkscape.org > > > You can download the package in either tar.gz or zip format from the > sourceforge file area: > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sodipodi/sodipodi-flags-1.0.tar.gz?downl… > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sodipodi/sodipodi-flags-1.0.zip?download > > Sincerely, > Christian Schaller > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-announce-list mailing list > gnome-announce-list@...45... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-announce-list >

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Re: Bug: Number type warning in help.c
by Robert Crosbie 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

Ok, so I turned off digest mode. In the mean time, excuse the cut and paste below: This patch doesn't really fix the problem, it only masks the compiler warning. If gtk_window_set_default_size is expecting gints, then sp_document_width should return a gint instead of a gdouble and the document structure should store its width and height as gint. I don't have the source accessible to me right now, so I can't see how it is defined. If a width was defined that exceeded INT_MAX, then when the gdouble was cast to a gint, data would be lost. A user would see a windo much smaller than they exected being displayed. Now, the other way round is fine, you can cast away if you're going from a gint TO a gdouble. Rob, From: Jon A. Cruz <jon@...51...> Bug: Number type warning in help.c 2003-11-12 10:01 Here's a patch for bug [ 840545 ] Number type warning in help.c Turns out that it was a very simple case. Now I'm onto bugs 840539 and 840543 Oh, and I've dusted off my Sourceforge user ID of joncruz Index: help.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/help.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 help.c --- help.c 30 Oct 2003 05:52:06 -0000 1.2 +++ help.c 12 Nov 2003 17:45:34 -0000 @@ -47,7 +47,7 @@ w = gtk_window_new (GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL); gtk_window_set_title (GTK_WINDOW (w), _("About inkscape")); - gtk_window_set_default_size (GTK_WINDOW (w), sp_document_width (doc), sp_document_height (doc)); + gtk_window_set_default_size (GTK_WINDOW (w), (gint)(sp_document_width(doc)), (gint)(sp_document_height(doc)) ); #if 1 gtk_window_set_policy (GTK_WINDOW (w), TRUE, TRUE, FALSE); #endif Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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keys, unsinkability
by bulia byak 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

I've collected shortcut suggestions from recent discussions; please see the top of TODO on the KeyboardShortcuts wiki and comment/add as appropriate. There's also a new proposal on keys for editing control points in node editor. Has anyone tested the unsinkable dialogs (toolbox and ctrl-shift-f)? Use the UnsinkableDialogs page to report. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] two patches
by Robert Crosbie 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

>I've activated CVS access for you as well as permissions in the tracker. >You can now take ownership of bugs and feature requests directly, and >help review/integrate patches. > >Bryce > Thanks! I'm also looking into the the two crash bugs regarding undo and deleting nodes. There's something not right in the SPRepr architecture. It's quite difficult to figure out the code, but now that I'm looking at the sodipodi Architecture document, it's making more sense. It seems that in the case of the of the undo, the code is not properly traversing the list and recognizing when child->next is null. I noticed there are a lot of asserts in the code. I find it actually makes it more difficult to trace problems. It think that instead of adding the asserts, the source of the condition should have been traced and prevented from occuring. Anyway, It's a good learning experience. I work with perl in my day job and haven't coded in c++ in years. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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toolbox & misc
by bulia byak 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

One-toolbox-only patch is committed. Please test. Now the command to call toolbox is in the dialogs submenu. Any ideas on what key to assign it to? I tried to assign context menu to a single alt press, but this made alt-shortcuts unusable because it fired the menu no matter if any other key is pressed with alt or not. Does anyone know how to fix this? Another weirdness: I wanted to assign space to selector - it's used this was on Xara and it's very convenient. But the verb does not work with GDK_space. Looks like someone steals this key. So for now it's shift-space - this way it works fine. Thomas: Multiple instances of the program work for me, as do command line arguments. I agree that buttons should send focus to canvas, and maybe not only buttons. I will look into that. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Icons problem for win32
by Mael 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

Hello, Just for information I think I've found why some icons get broken on my win32 build Sometimes when creating dialogs Inkscape uses gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/icon_name.xpm"); I've specified a relative INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR ("./glade") The problem arises when you open or save a file in a directory other than the inkscape.exe root dir, This must change the current directory, and the next time you open the dialog it is created but can't find the image with the relative path Maybe this will be solved by use of GtkIconFactory .. (or dialogs created once at startup and show/hide) Concerning the interface I also found it quite inconsistent : some icons open dialogs, others are for tool selection, others are list of icons, some just perform one action (and can be clicked even if the action is impossible in the context..) etc etc.. Lot of work to do here ! good luck :) M

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do we need multiple toolboxes?
by bulia byak 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

Do we really need multiple floating toolboxes? I think the toolbox should be treated as any other dialog, i.e. only exist in a single copy. If a user requests a toolbox for the current window, it's only created if it didn't exist, otherwise it's brought on top. This does not apply to docked toolboxes; these may exist one per document window. I think it's saner and more intuitive that way. I have a patch that implements this. As a side effect it fixes some callback problems that resulted in crashes and failed asserts when I plugged in my unsinkability code into the toolbox (and quite probably some other problems too). If there are no objections I will commit. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Escaping Dialogs
by T Ingham 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

I believe it's due to the fact that shift+tab ( to get into the to: field and eliminate people's names, substituting them for inkscape-devel ) constantly is a character in unix ( or something like that ) Either that or shift+delete creates characters now. Try this: ( Shift+Tab five times ) Or this: ( Shift+Delete five times ) Let me know please. thanks, -t

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Re: [Inkscape-cvs] inkscape/src
by T Ingham 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

Can I just say Kudos! This is actually the first thing you learn in building apps that conform to Apple's HIG. -Thomas ps. Opening documents from the command line isn't working for me, but it could be os related. On Nov 13, 2003, at 6:50 AM, bulia byak wrote: > Update of /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src > In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv28382/src > > Modified Files: > main.c > Log Message: > if no document on command line and gui mode, create new upon startup > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, > 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest > developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, > WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-cvs mailing list > Inkscape-cvs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-cvs >

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Re: Escaping dialogs
by bulia byak 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

> So that's what I'm here to do, in reference to the patch > which applies the Escape key event to hiding the currently > selected dialog. No problem, this was just an experiment. > When I am editing a value in a dialog, and I type > the wrong value into a text field, I would immediately think > "Escape that command" or "Revert" this results in me hitting the > Escape key, where I expect that I can then type in the > appropriate value into the text field. Instead, Inkscape will > kindly void my transaction and hide the input mechanism. This > results in me having to open the dialog again, and enter the new > value. Good point. But in fact, some of the widget (e.g. drop-down lists) will do exacly this: they will catch the Esc event and close, and the dialog itself will not close then. > - Revert any currently focused field to it's previous value. > - If no fields are currently focused, send the main focus of the > application to the Canvas window. The first point needs to be pursued with each specific widget. I'll see what can be done about that but it may take some time. The second point is easy, I just did it. Please test CVS for the ctrl-shift-f dialog and see if you like this better. Anyone's comments are welcome, of course. Another thing: all widgets, when changed, must return focus to the canvas. The only exception is a text field - it must do so too but only when Enter is pressed or the field is left (ie. the user is done editing the value). With this provision, esc-closing of dialogs may indeed become much less necessary because they will rarely if ever steal focus. > #2. Spatiality > When aiming to provide users with a consistent and > workflow-friendly interface, it is of the utmost importance that > we allow the user to decide what is placed where, and when. This > means that palettes really should respond to meta-keys at all ( > save for undo and enter for application of current edit ) "should" or "should not"? Anyway, now ctrl-shift-f already passes any keys it can't handle to the canvas. > The dialogs in Inkscape are non-modal, and therefore > closing them is not a trivial thing. It is forseeable that in the > future, a dialog such as the Object Properties window will remain > open for the duration of a work cycle. It would be used to > monitor a drag operation for placement of a shape in the current > document, as well as other utilities. Agreed. > When dialogs become not only mechanisms to edit > information, but also to view information, the location on the > screen simply *must* be maintained. Dialogs that move and > disappear are of only moderate usefulness. Sure, it's in my plans to make sure dialogs remember their position and status. It's a separate issue from closeability, though. "Hiding" and "closing" will actually be the same from user's viewpoint if all closed dialogs remember their position and status. (See the wiki page on InkscapeTamed.) > #3. Alternatives > In Illustrator, you can hide all dialogs by hitting "Tab", this > provides you with a quick device for previewing your work without > interface clutter, or maximizing your work area regardless of tool > panels. Tab again will show the dialogs that were hidden in the > last operation. I propose that we implement this with one > addition: Shift+Tab, or Shift+~ would be used for closing the > currently selected ( focused ) dialog. Good idea, I thought about it too, but not tab! Tab is used for cycling through canvas objects and it's very convenient and intuitive for that. Perhaps ` for toggling visibility and shift-` for closing the current dialog (or vice versa). > While I don't believe that users will often want to > close dialogs such as Object Style, or Properties, Or color palette. We badly need this one. Anyone can volunteer to create it? Oh no, better wait until I finish TamingTheInterface :) > operate in a near modal fashion: Transformation ( which could be > seen as a single cycle operation ) "Open Transformation > Dialog"->"Apply Transformation"->"Close Transformation Dialog" > however these sorts of operations should be grouped > together. Perhaps we could spend some time identifying which > palettes would most likely remain open, and which would be single > cycle operations, group them together, and apply different UI > characteristics for each group. Perhaps, but I still think all dialogs must behave consistently. > If those key commands are reserved, I'm sure we > could find an equally appropriate set of actions to assign to > this process. I don't think it's without cause that the patch was > applied, however I do think that we should be aiming at producing > dialogs which the user will keep open and assign locations > to. This is the sort of thing that increases productivity with > any application, without much effort from the user. Yes. > I believe that the term Dialog is being misused here, and perhaps > that is where most of the problem is coming from. To be > effective, we should class out the windows that should be > palettes apart from the dialogs. Exactly. They're called dialogs in the source and that may have unfluenced us :) Let's find some other term. It will be necessary for producing a readable documentation anyway. > We could then provide some form of modality for the dialogs that are > left, and windows would behave differently depending on what was to be > done. Do we need anything to be modal at all? I think even things like "save us" and "export" can be non-modal, and it can even be convenient even if nonorthodox from the win/mac viewpoint. But nobody forces us to exactly imitate win/mac conventions, if we can find something which is better. -- bb -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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unsinkable dialogs
by bulia byak 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

See http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UnsinkableDialogs for a description of my today's update. Please use wiki to leave comments. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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transient dialogs
by bulia byak 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

I've just checked in an updated dialogs/object-properties.c which makes this dialog (ctrl-shift-f) transient. This means it always stays on top of the canvas window (if there are several, it attaches to the one which was current when the dialog was created) and minimizes/maximizes together with it. What can I say? I'm absolutely astonished by how simple it turned out to be, and really baffled by the fact that nobody did it before. It's been in the Sodipodi programming tasks for ages, and it's actually just two lines of code. The difference in usability however is enormous. Judging by the fact that GIMP's interface, despite being almost universally hated, has never attempted to use transient windows (at least in the stable series, I did not try their development series) made me think that this problem is somehow unsolvable on linux - but no. At least, it works for me (on KDE 3.1). Please test the CVS HEAD with this change and report any problems you may have with this dialog (ctrl-shift-f). If there are none, I will make all other dialogs and the toolbar transient too. And by the way, the dialog can now be closed by esc - please test this too, and if there are no problems with that I will change all other dialogs likewise. Misc: I made the zoom field (in the bottom right corner of the canvas) unfocusable, so it never steals focus any more. Now arrows should work reliably. I also changed the treatment of keypad arrows - now they hopefully work both with and without shift (so far only in selector). Please test this and report any problems. If anyone can test this on Windows or Mac that would be great. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: transient dialogs
by bulia byak 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

Please review my writeup on transient windows and related issues: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InkscapeTamed Comments, additions, answers welcome. Several more dialogs are transientized today. More to follow. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Bug: Number type warnings
by Robert Crosbie 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

Similar to my last post, You will loose precision when casting from float to int or NRShort (whatever that is). In desktop-snap.c if all the code is doing is figuring out the slope, then perhaps dx? and dy? should be floats as well. What happens if the slope is less than 0.5? Would we catch it? I don't know what dx and dy are used later for, so maybe it has to be this way. When doing transformations you want to keep numbers as floats for as long as possible and only convert them to ints when they finally need to be plotted to the screen. Otherwise you loose precision and you may find that after a few rotate transformations, your object is not only rotated, it has also shifted position slightly. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: "Jon A. Cruz" <jon@...18...> >To: inkscape-devel <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Bug: Number type warnings >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:02:47 -0800 > >Jon A. Cruz wrote: > >>Bryce Harrington wrote: >> >>>Noticed some warnings during the build... >>>Someone want to look into this and make a patch? >>> >> >>Sure. Me. > > >Here are patches for 840539 and 840543 > >(I noticed more problems, since I compile within emacs and it's easy to >search the scrollback. I'll probably get on those too) > >Index: libnrtype/nr-rasterfont.c > >=================================================================== > >RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/libnrtype/nr-rasterfont.c,v > >retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 > >diff -u -r1.1.1.1 nr-rasterfont.c > >--- libnrtype/nr-rasterfont.c 30 Oct 2003 02:22:53 -0000 1.1.1.1 > >+++ libnrtype/nr-rasterfont.c 12 Nov 2003 18:50:17 -0000 > >@@ -315,16 +315,16 @@ > > if (nr_font_glyph_advance_get (rf->font, glyph, &a)) { > > switch (slot->type) { > > case NRRF_TYPE_TINY: > >- slot->glyph.tg.advance.x = >NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_X (&rf->transform, a.x, a.y); > >- slot->glyph.tg.advance.y = >NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_Y (&rf->transform, a.x, a.y); > >+ slot->glyph.tg.advance.x = >(NRShort)(NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_X(&rf->transform, a.x, a.y)); > >+ slot->glyph.tg.advance.y = >(NRShort)(NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_Y(&rf->transform, a.x, a.y)); > > break; > > case NRRF_TYPE_IMAGE: > >- slot->glyph.ig.advance.x = >NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_X (&rf->transform, a.x, a.y); > >- slot->glyph.ig.advance.y = >NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_Y (&rf->transform, a.x, a.y); > >+ slot->glyph.ig.advance.x = >(NRShort)(NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_X(&rf->transform, a.x, a.y)); > >+ slot->glyph.ig.advance.y = >(NRShort)(NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_Y(&rf->transform, a.x, a.y)); > > break; > > case NRRF_TYPE_SVP: > >- slot->glyph.sg.advance.x = >NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_X (&rf->transform, a.x, a.y); > >- slot->glyph.sg.advance.y = >NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_Y (&rf->transform, a.x, a.y); > >+ slot->glyph.sg.advance.x = >(NRLong)(NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_X(&rf->transform, a.x, a.y)); > >+ slot->glyph.sg.advance.y = >(NRLong)(NR_MATRIX_DF_TRANSFORM_Y (&rf->transform, a.x, a.y)); > > break; > > default: > > break; > >Index: desktop-snap.c > >=================================================================== > >RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/desktop-snap.c,v > >retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 > >diff -u -r1.1.1.1 desktop-snap.c > >--- desktop-snap.c 30 Oct 2003 02:20:11 -0000 1.1.1.1 > >+++ desktop-snap.c 12 Nov 2003 18:19:18 -0000 > >@@ -116,8 +116,10 @@ > >/* Determine which way a set of three points winds. */ > >{ > > int dx1, dx2, dy1, dy2; > >- dx1 = p1.x-p0.x; dy1 = p1.y - p0.y; > >- dx2 = p2.x-p0.x; dy2 = p2.y - p0.y; > >+ dx1 = (int)(p1.x - p0.x); > >+ dy1 = (int)(p1.y - p0.y); > >+ dx2 = (int)(p2.x - p0.x); > >+ dy2 = (int)(p2.y - p0.y); > >/* compare slopes but avoid division operation */ > > if(dx1*dy2 > dy1*dx2) > > return +1; // ccw > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, >16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest >developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, >WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Font fix patch
by T Ingham 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

This patch is taken from the fink unstable branch. Perhaps someone can evaluate it to see what it's doing? I believe Pogma wrote it. Currently I can't use fonts at all in Inkscape. -thomas

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Bug: Number type warnings
by Bryce Harrington 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

Noticed some warnings during the build... Someone want to look into this and make a patch? Thanks, Bryce nr-rasterfont.c: In function `NRRFGlyphSlot* nr_rasterfont_ensure_glyph_slot(NRRasterFont*, unsigned int, unsigned int)': nr-rasterfont.c:318: warning: assignment to `NRShort' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:318: warning: argument to `short int' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:319: warning: assignment to `NRShort' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:319: warning: argument to `short int' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:322: warning: assignment to `NRShort' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:322: warning: argument to `short int' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:323: warning: assignment to `NRShort' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:323: warning: argument to `short int' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:326: warning: assignment to `NRLong' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:326: warning: argument to `int' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:327: warning: assignment to `NRLong' from `float' nr-rasterfont.c:327: warning: argument to `int' from `float' http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=840539&group_id=93…

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Bug: Number type warning in help.c
by Jon A. Cruz 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

Here's a patch for bug [ 840545 ] Number type warning in help.c Turns out that it was a very simple case. Now I'm onto bugs 840539 and 840543 Oh, and I've dusted off my Sourceforge user ID of joncruz Index: help.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/help.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 help.c --- help.c 30 Oct 2003 05:52:06 -0000 1.2 +++ help.c 12 Nov 2003 17:45:34 -0000 @@ -47,7 +47,7 @@ w = gtk_window_new (GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL); gtk_window_set_title (GTK_WINDOW (w), _("About inkscape")); - gtk_window_set_default_size (GTK_WINDOW (w), sp_document_width (doc), sp_document_height (doc)); + gtk_window_set_default_size (GTK_WINDOW (w), (gint)(sp_document_width(doc)), (gint)(sp_document_height(doc)) ); #if 1 gtk_window_set_policy (GTK_WINDOW (w), TRUE, TRUE, FALSE); #endif

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arikkei-token.c:83: `malloc' undeclared
by Bryce Harrington 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

I got this error when trying to build the code this evening. I fixed it by putting an include for stdlib.h in arikkei-token.c. arikkei-token.c: In function `gchar* arikkei_token_strdup(const ArikkeiToken*)': arikkei-token.c:83: `malloc' undeclared (first use this function) arikkei-token.c:83: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) make[3]: *** [arikkei-token.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/bryce/src/Inkscape/inkscape-integration/src/libarikkei' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 $ cvs log src/libarikkei/arikkei-token.c RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/libarikkei/arikkei-token.c,v Working file: src/libarikkei/arikkei-token.c ---------------------------- revision 1.3 date: 2003/11/11 20:03:20; author: magnethead; state: Exp; lines: +1 -2 Patches to make compile on OSX/Darwin. malloc.h replace with unistd.h and Wl in src/Makefile.am removed at --export-dynamic ---------------------------- Looks like this was introduced due to the OSX/Darwin patch. Hopefully my fix doesn't break that. Bryce

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(no subject)
by Cédric GEMY 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

Downloads from Dublin's and Brussels's mirrors appear to be unavailable.

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Inkscape Release 0.35
by Bryce Harrington 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

Inkscape 0.35 is released and kicking. Grab the files here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 This is the first release of Inkscape, and it's a great start for the project. Recent additions include new keyboard shortcuts, alternate node joining method, ability to apply text to multiple text objects, an Open Recent menu item, and more. The codebase has also been modified to allow it to be compiled with either the gcc or g++ compilers. See the Release notes for more info: http://www.inkscape.org/release_0_35.html Please download the code, try it out, and report any bugs found to the Inkscape bug tracker. Congratulations to the dozens of people who have helped put this release together and get this project off the ground.

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Win32 build
by Mael 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

Hello, I managed to build inkscape cvs on win32 (with Msys/MsysDTK/MinGW) A screenshot : http://195.221.122.126/tmp/inkscapewin32.png The configure.in doesn't care about win platform (Unfortunetely I don't know much about autoconf/automake) so I had to change some settings, and did a couple of modifications to Makefile and to some sources (if someone want more details ask me). Also Inkscape crashes if the latest libxml2 dll (2.6.2) is used I've not done too much tests: some icons seem to vanish, a test export to png was successful.. I'm not skilled enough to maintain a win32 port but I really hope someone will :-/ M

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] more keys
by bulia byak 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

Bryce, please test CVS now to see if kp-arrows work for you both with and without shift, in selector only (if it works I will fix node editor too). -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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two patches
by Robert Crosbie 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

I submitted two patches to the tracker: [ 840504 ] Remove kde option from configure This removes the --with-kde option from configure. [ 840506 ] Remove icon hash from sp_icon_new_full See text for full explanation but this will fix the bug "Using Object Transformations twice crashes Inkscape" and possibly other untracked/undiscovered mysterious crashes. This is probably a better fix than the last one I submitted, which hasn't been applied anyway. I see this as the first step in removing the sp_icon routines and replacing them with gtkIconfactory. Patch [ 840443 ] Removes icons from dialog tab headers. (not mine) may also have the side effect of fixing "Using Object Transformations twice crashes Inkscape", but there are other parts of inkscape that call sp_icon_new that are still trashing memory all over the place but just haven't been noticed yet. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Patch: 840443 Remove Icons from Tab headers
by T Ingham 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

Hello all, A pet peeve of mine, I have successfully removed the icons from the tab headers in Object Properties and Transformations dialogs. The patch available at: ( http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detail&aid=840443&group_id=93438&atid=604308 ) thanks for your time and patience, -Thomas

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Binary rpm
by Bryce Harrington 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

I noticed no one had uploaded a binary rpm of the 0.35 release so far, so compiled one on a Mandrake 9.0 system. https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] transient dialogs
by Cezary Biele 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

bb> Please test the CVS HEAD with this change and report any problems you may bb> have with this dialog (ctrl-shift-f). If there are none, I will make all bb> other dialogs and the toolbar transient too. at last! it works great for me! please add other toolboxes. best regards yemu

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export without antialiasing
by Yemu 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

i ve been talking on the jabber with nathan yesterday about exporting without AA, and he told me to try to remove "ifs" from libnr/nr-svp-render.c (make them always true) which should remove antialiasing globally i did remeve them, recompiled and here are the effects: - icons and all objects in document look ugly :-) no antialiasing :-) - exported png at high resolutions (i.e. 600dpi) look good. objects look ok, text looks a little bit worse, but is acceptable (you can check example here: http://www.yemu.website.pl/test3.png) concluding: maybe it would be possible to add an option to export dialog (no-antialiasing -EXPERIMENTAL) or something like that. best regards yemu ps. i've just checked out cvs and i must say InkScape rulez!

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I'm new here and I'd like to wish you best of luck with InkScape
by Alan Horkan 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I'm new here and I'd like to wish you best of luck with InkScape, it really sounds like a good idea. Firstly congratulations on choosing a name I can immediately pronounce, that is not an acronym, that I'm not embarassed to admit I use or say out loud and that does not feature an over abundance of G, Q, or K that seem to plague so many other projects (I'm sure you all can guess the ones I'm talking about). I found out about Inkscape from a story on Gnomedesktop.org which from the various posts I'm sure you are well aware of but I think it might be worth linking from your news page (and this mail did invite suggestions http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=3434272&forum_id=360… ) I'm also having minor difficulty downloading this file, I only get the top chunk http://www.inkscape.org/mockups/export_dialog_02.png Which leads me to my next point, the Export Dialog. Rather than make specific criticism of each approach I would put it to you that it would be best to use a standard Save Dialog with an additional "Options..." Button. The Options button would prompt uses to change the export settings, these should probably also be available through some sort of Import/Export preferences dialog. Why do it this way? Other programs do it this way but more importantly that that I can promise you that users will not want to change the export settings each and every time, and being able to set them once (or just once for the current session or project) and keep reusing the same settings until you feel the need to change them and keep them out of your way. (This is an approach I have been advocating quite strongly on the Gnome usability list mailto:usability@...45... so that when the GTK File Open Save As dialog gets redesigned that developers will have a clear and standard way to extend it rather than cluttering the dialog with all manner of new features.) The website says "We aim for capabilities similar to Illustrator, CorelDraw, Visio, etc." I hope you will also aim for a user interface similar to those programs, except of course when there is a clearly better alternative. You'd be amazed how lost I feel in Sodipodi as it does(/did) not have a menubar or document toolbars. Keeping the interfaces similar makes it much easier to reuse existing books tutorials and other resources already targeting the dominant software and also helps kill off the distasteful "marketable skills in the workplace" crap that I'm forced to admit happens all too often. I'm a fan of portable cross platform software - who know what Operating System we'll be running in 5 years, but I'd like to still be able to use my favourite software - but at the same time I encourage you to not just get involved with Gnome and try to follow the Gnome Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) where you think it is appropriate but also help push for changes and more flexability where you really dont think the Guidelines are appropriate. I wish you the very best of luck with InkScape and I hope you can make the most of its potential and satisfy so many potential users out there. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ PS I've subscribed to the list digest so that I can lurk and I'm fairly busy at the moment, but if you would like me to try and respond more promptly please CC me in your replies.

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OSX Patch
by T Ingham 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I had mistakenly thought that my patch to remove the malloc.h includes ( replacing them with unistd.h ) had been applied. It hasn't, and I'd like to know if anyone else has trouble making without the includes to malloc. If this is not the case ( meaning no problems ) then can we get the cvs updated so I don't have to apply the patch myself every time I update :) Thanks, Thomas

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Release 0.36
by Ted Gould 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

Hey all, I think it's probably time to start planning the next release, or atleast decide when it's going to be. The GNOME folks rave about time based releases, and think they are the best way to do Open Source software. I think this mostly comes from giving everyone a timeline to get features into the repository. But, Bryce has done a really good job of making Milestones also - and I think that if we set "Milestone 2" as when we're going to do the next release that would be reasonable too. Thoughts? Ideas? --Ted

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Updating the site.
by T Ingham 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I've added a wiki entry at: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingWebsite Please review and provide feedback/ flames. -thomas

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inkscape_project module
by Bryce Harrington 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I've established a new CVS module 'inkscape_project'. Same sort of idea as the project_config module we set up for Sodipodi: It's a place to put config files, scripts, docs, and other assorted goodies that aren't really directly related to the codebase but need to be kept revision controlled and backed up for the project. I've put a copy of the wiki into it, the config for the IRC bot we used for #sodipodi (anyone want to figure out how to set up a jabber bot?) and a readme. Bryce

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Inkscape debug output
by Robert Crosbie 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

After selecting Inkscape->About Inkscape and seeing 421 "ensure outline - outlines" and "finalize - outlines" fly by on the console, It got me thinking about debugging messages. It seems that many modules in inkscape turn on or off debugging by #defining a variable. It might be nice to be able to set a global debugging variable and/or debugging level through some method such as a command line option or an environment variable. You could call 'Inkscape --debug 3' or 'setenv INKSCAPE_DEBUG 1' As a developer it saves the time needed to undefine a variable and recompile, just to get debugging output. I've seen other applications with debugging levels such as 1 = LOW to 5 = HIGH, or from less detailed to very detailed. Another option is to have a './configure --DEBUG' to turn on or off debugging. This way you can still ifdef the debugging messages and have them displayed during development, but you can stop them from even being compiled for a release version. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Problem with files not loading back in properly
by Jon A. Cruz 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

I tracked down the problem where I was having problems loading in files that I had made. It turns out that my config setup Makefiles with a VERSION of 0.0. This of course ends up being written in any files I save, and thus they are misinterpreted on reading. Since it's an autoconf issue, not code, I'm not up to speed enough to come up with a patch. :-( So I figure someone on the list can take care of it. Let me know if you need any follow-up info. Oh, and for detecting this in the future, I was wondering if checks for 0.0 and warning dialogs at startup and/or file loading might be handy. It would end up preventing lost time on strange behavior.

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Cafepress
by Ted Gould 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

The other night we were talking about setting up a cafepress store for the really cool inkscape logo - what do people think? Mental mentioned that he was concerned about where the money would go. I was thinking two things: 1) We just sell things at cost. I don't know if you can do this with Cafepress, but I would assume you could. 2) We donate all the profits (probably a couple bucks) back to Sourceforge. What do you guys think? I'm willing to set it up and get/write checks to make the second one happen. --Ted

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icon.c again + patch
by Robert Crosbie 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

The benefit of the icon.c routines is that you can load an xpm, png or svg with the same call. You can replace all your .xpm images with svg and you don't need to change any code. It would certainly be cool if inkscape had all svg icons since it is an svg editor. The problem with icon.c is in sp_icon_new_full where we have: static iconlib = g_hash_table_new (g_str_hash, g_str_equal); but iconlib is never freed. I assume it is used to speed up the retrieval/loading of images/icons. Also every time an object is added to the hash table, the key is strduped: g_hash_table_insert (iconlib, g_strdup (c), icon->px); That key is never freed either. You create and destroy a few icons and inkscape/spdipodi goes kablooy! These things would be easier to manage if inkscape had true objects and classes. I almost have a fix for icon.c, but in the mean time, if you just want to have a stable 0.35, this patch should stop the transformation dialog from crashing: Index: transformation.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/dialogs/transformation.c,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -p -r1.3 transformation.c --- transformation.c 31 Oct 2003 06:28:39 -0000 1.3 +++ transformation.c 10 Nov 2003 04:02:58 -0000 @@ -226,7 +226,7 @@ sp_transformation_dialog_new (void) g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (b), "clicked", G_CALLBACK (sp_transformation_dialog_close), dlg); /* Move page */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_NOTEBOOK, "move"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/move.xpm"); gtk_widget_show (img); page = sp_transformation_page_move_new (G_OBJECT (dlg)); gtk_widget_show (page); @@ -234,7 +234,7 @@ sp_transformation_dialog_new (void) g_object_set_data (G_OBJECT (dlg), "move", page); /* Scale page */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_NOTEBOOK, "scale"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/scale.xpm"); gtk_widget_show (img); page = sp_transformation_page_scale_new (G_OBJECT (dlg)); gtk_widget_show (page); @@ -242,7 +242,7 @@ sp_transformation_dialog_new (void) g_object_set_data (G_OBJECT (dlg), "scale", page); /* Rotate page */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_NOTEBOOK, "rotate"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/rotate.xpm"); gtk_widget_show (img); page = sp_transformation_page_rotate_new (G_OBJECT (dlg)); gtk_widget_show (page); @@ -380,7 +380,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_move_new (GObject sp_unit_selector_set_unit (SP_UNIT_SELECTOR (us), sp_desktop_get_default_unit (SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP)); } /* Horizontal */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "arrows_hor"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/arrows_hor.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "move_position_x", adj); @@ -389,7 +389,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_move_new (GObject sb = gtk_spin_button_new (adj, 0.1, 2); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), sb, 1, 2, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)( (GtkAttachOptions)( GTK_EXPAND | GTK_FILL ) ), (GtkAttachOptions)( (GtkAttachOptions)( GTK_EXPAND | GTK_FILL ) ), 0, 0); /* Vertical */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "arrows_ver"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/arrows_ver.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 1, 2, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "move_position_y", adj); @@ -555,7 +555,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_scale_new (GObjec sp_unit_selector_set_unit (SP_UNIT_SELECTOR (us), sp_unit_get_by_abbreviation ("%")); g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (us), "set_unit", G_CALLBACK (sp_transformation_scale_set_unit), obj); /* Horizontal */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "scale_hor"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/scale_hor.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "scale_dimension_x", adj); @@ -564,7 +564,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_scale_new (GObjec sb = gtk_spin_button_new (adj, 0.1, 2); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), sb, 1, 2, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)( GTK_EXPAND | GTK_FILL ), (GtkAttachOptions)( GTK_EXPAND | GTK_FILL ), 0, 0); /* Vertical */ - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "scale_ver"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/scale_ver.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 1, 2, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "scale_dimension_y", adj); @@ -674,7 +674,7 @@ sp_transformation_page_rotate_new (GObje gtk_table_set_col_spacings (GTK_TABLE (tbl), 4); gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vb), tbl, FALSE, FALSE, 0); - img = sp_icon_new (SP_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON, "rotate_left"); + img = gtk_image_new_from_file (INKSCAPE_GLADEDIR "/rotate_left.xpm"); gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (tbl), img, 0, 1, 0, 1, (GtkAttachOptions)0, (GtkAttachOptions)0, 0, 0); adj = (GtkAdjustment *) gtk_adjustment_new (0.0, -1e6, 1e6, 0.01, 0.1, 0.1); g_object_set_data (obj, "rotate_angle", adj); Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? 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Re: [Inkscape-devel] more keys
by bulia byak 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

> Tool switching > ============== > F1 and Ctrl F6 don't seem to do what they're supposed to; all of the > rest of the shortcuts worked as documented (both the letter and function > key variants). They work for me, and I have absolutely no idea why these might not work. They're just two shortcuts among others. The only reason may be that the underlying functions do not work, which I did not touch. Is there any diagnostics? Maybe a "make clean" or something would help? > It would be nice to have a shortcut to the Editing Window added (or even > better would be keyboard shortcuts to turn grid and snap on/off > directly). Now # toggles grid and | toggles guides, except that toggling guides does not work for some reason (it's disabled in the dialog too). > I noticed that ESC works for many of the dialogs but not all. The > export window, for example, didn't respond to Esc. I will try to see if I can do something about that. It's high priority because the simple keys like arrows and esc must work reliably everywhere. I've added a TODO section at the bottom of http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardShortcuts This and many other ideas are there. Please discuss or add your own! Yemu: your suggestion is there too, edit as appropriate. > Zoom and scroll > =============== > + on the keypad works for zooming in, but the regular + key doesn't. I think I fixed this. Please check. > We probably need a keyboard mapping for "Fit the whole selection into > the window". Perhaps one of the number keys to keep with the scheme? > Also note that keypad-5 is mapped to "Fit the whole drawing into > window", so that could be added to the docs. However, the regular 5 key > isn't mapped. Since both regular and keyboard 0 and 1 are mapped, it > seems sensible for both 5's to be likewise. I think the old scheme was not very logical or convenient. Now I did this: 1 is 1:1, 2 is 1:2, 3 is selection, 4 is drawing, 5 is page. This makes it a more logical sequence (assuming drawing is smaller than page). > Mapping Ctrl-z and Ctrl-shift-z to the opposite actions is kind of > slick; makes it easy to quickly scroll up and down through the > transaction log. And having Ctrl-y mapped to the redo makes sense since > that's a commonly expected mapping. > > I wonder if for perfect balance, Ctrl-shft-y should be mapped to 'undo'? Why not. > Ctrl-w 'close window' only seems to work when the mouse is hovering over > the window when the window system is set to click-to-follow mode. Yes, it's a local binding for a canvas window and perhaps it does not work when mouse is away. It cannot be made global. > I'm not sure what Ctrl-shft-n does, but it didn't seem to work for me. No traces in the code. Removed. > Ctrl-shft-p did not pop up the print preview This one is enabled, but the function does not work (from menu, too). Someone needs to find out. > Ctrl-shft-s did not pop up the save file as box Should work now. > Ctrl-q only exits if the cursor is in the editing window; it doesn't > work when used over the toolbox nor if no document is loaded. Fixed by making it global. > Selector tool shortcuts > ======================= > The arrow keys all worked as advertised - that's going to be a really > nice enhancement. I noticed though that the keyboard arrows did not > always work - the kbd up and down are mapped to zoom up/down, and the rt > and left don't have actions. The kbd alt-arrows don't have action. > All kbd-arrows with the shift or shift-alt modifiers work as documented. By "keyboard", do you mean "keypad"? If so, that's strange. But after some thinking I remembered that some time ago I patched my X keyboard configuration so that keypad arrows _always_ produce arrows, with or without shift. (I can give details of the patch if someone is interested.) Without that patch, the KP arrows were arrows without shift and digits with shift, and vice versa if numlock is on. I never use KP digits but I like to use KP arrows with and without shift (for selecting) in Emacs, hence the patch. Now, if the original configuration is standard (it was by default on Mandrake), this means most people won't be able to use KP arrows with shift at all, unless they reconfigure X like I did. (Or they only can use KP arrows with shift but cannot without, if numlock is on.) I personally find this situation a bit weird, and we perhaps need to talk to an expert in X keyboard to see if there's another workaround. The idea to reconfigure XKB was the first to come to my mind and it worked for me, so I never researched the matter any deeper since that. We'll also need to find out how this is done outside of linux. Maybe we need to check for, e.g., GDK_KP_4 instead of (or in addition to) Shift with KP_Left? I will try this but I'll need someone else to test it on a standard linux and on other platforms. As for "kbd up and down are mapped to zoom up/down", no - it's just that the zoom value field in the bottom right corner grabs focus (very annoying!). I'll see if I can tame it somehow. > Ctrl-a 'select-all' also works but needs adding to the documentation. Done. I also made this local to the select tool, as it not always makes sense (and may be confusing) in other tools. > I'm wondering about ctrl-d though - in emacs and probably other apps > it's mapped to the same function as the DEL key, whereas here it > duplicates the selected item. In Xara, it's duplication as well, and I believe in Corel Draw too. Those are better matches for us than Emacs :) > Home/end/pgup/pgdn all work. The keyboard versions of those aren't > mapped similarly. I'm undecided if they should though; could be too > much functionality for the keyboard. For consistency, I enabled the KP keys too. > I had a thought... What if we made the keyboard mappings not do any > document changes, so that it's read only? What I'm thinking is that > being able to rely on the keyboard as a read-only navigation interface > would be handy since they could navigate around without having to worry > about accidentally hitting the wrong key and fussing up the document. I think it's too much to change, there are already many shortcuts that modify the document. Instead, isn't there a slideshow mode that only displays SVG without editing? > Ctrl-g and ctrl-shft-g work for group/ungroup. Ctrl-u does ungroup; > perhaps Ctrl-shft-u should group? Why not. > The mouse modifiers for stretch, rotate, skew, etc. all checked out. > Are some of these new or had I just not known about them before? > I am going to find Ctrl-move and alt-transform quite useful. :-) No, I did not touch these yet (but I plan to). They are all from Sodipodi. > Node edit tool shortcuts > ======================== > In editing mode, the regular arrows all worked as documented. Nice. > The keyboard keys didn't do anything though. See above for keypad ideas. > I'm wondering if in node-edit mode it might be more useful for the > keyboard arrowkeys to be left to view commands like moving the view > window, zooming, etc. Hmm, maybe we need a stronger defined concept of > what the keyboard does - either always precisely map to what the regular > arrow, paging, etc. keys do, or map to some other useful mode like > view-window control? You can zoom and pan in node editor, no problem. No need to deassign arrow keys. My concept is simple: everything must be consistent. If arrows move selection in selector, they must do the same in all other tools where "selection" makes sense. Ctrl-arrows pan canvas, and they do so everywhere. > You've got shift-k and shift-l listed twice. Fixed. > One thing that may be a bit awkward is with the unmodified keys, if you > happen to on the canvas instead of precisely over a node, the key can > cause you to leave node-edit mode and activate some other function. The > s key, for instance, ends up selecting the object, and the b key > activates the create-curve function. I thought about that and wanted to remove these unmodified keys to alt-keys or digits. But when I actually tried this, I found that they affect active node, and active node only exists when you are dragging it with your mouse. So psychologically, these are not "unmodified keys"; rather, they are "mousedrag+letter" keys and are unlikely to be confused with simple "letter" keys. The rest will have to wait until tomorrow... -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Milestone 2 development work
by Bryce Harrington 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

As milestone 1 nears completion, we're ready to start looking at laying into M2. Also, a bunch of you are probably new to the codebase and looking for someplace to get your feet wet. The most sensible effort for new developers to dive into is bug fixing. Here's why: * Many bugs have been identified and documented in the Sodipodi bug tracker. A goodly number are also not that hard to fix. * A bug gives you a fixed goal to shoot for with a definite end. It is not a huge commitment of your time and doesn't carry any sort of ongoing responsibility - once you've got the fix in, you're done. * It will expose you to building the codebase, finding your way around in it, creating patches, etc. * Users *love* applications with few bugs. :-) There are two aspects to the bug work: 1. Bug Testing - Go through Sodipodi's bug list and test each report to see if it can be recreated in Inkscape and isn't already registered. If so, cut and paste it into the Inkscape bug tracker and mark that you've verified it still exists (and elaborate on how you found it). Include the Sodipodi bug ID number for traceability. 2. Bug Fixing - Grab a bug from the SF tracker and chase it down; try to find a fix for it, and post a patch to the patch tracker. Try to also improve the error checking behavior of the code, where possible. If those of us who are able to code C/C++ can close a couple bugs each, then we'll establish a sturdy base for building our next set of changes on. If this endeavor sounds interesting to you, feel free to drop me a line with any questions you have. Some other efforts that are going on, that you could participate in if you wish, include: * Research & plan GtkMM-ification (see mental or njh) * Design & develop new layer system (see mental) * Implement arrowhead support (see bryce) * Create unit tests for each source code file (see mental) * Implement new grid systems (see njh) Bryce

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Announcing inkscape-announce list
by Bryce Harrington 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

A mailing list for Inkscape-related announcements is now available. https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-announce This is intended to be a low-traffic list for people who don't wish to follow the regular development discussions but do want to know about new releases of Inkscape itself, plugins, events, and so forth. It's recommended that everyone on inkscape-devel@ subscribe to this list as well. Bryce

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Fwd: [Inkscape-devel] OSX?: Patch
by T Ingham 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

I figured out how to get this done, here's the patch. Probably contains more data than necessary, but I'm learning. On Nov 9, 2003, at 11:54 PM, T Ingham wrote: > // Wl, removed > ./Makefile.am > > //malloc.h replaced with unistd.h > > ./src/helper/action.c > ./src/xml/repr-io.c > ./libarikkei/arikkei-token.c > > > <Makefile.am><action.c><arikkei-token.c><repr-io.c>

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Bug on debian package
by Carlos Ingelmo 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

Since I don't know if this would go to the bug tracker or not, I write it here. It seems that 'debian/changelog' must be change in order to build debian package, by replacing sodipodi by inkscape or by creating a new one, I don't know anything about debian packaging. What I've done to build it is replace sodipodi by inkscape, although like it is a new project you might one to create a new changelog (by the way, it doesn't seem very updated). Thanks for reading... Carlos Ingelmo

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isometric grid
by Robert Crosbie 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

Just wanted to say that the new grid system pictured on the website is an awsome awsome awsome idea. I can't wait to try it out. It would have been particularly useful when I was drawing triangular celtic knots. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] OSX?
by T Ingham 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

Roger this, for the record. -t On Nov 9, 2003, at 11:26 PM, Daniel Díaz wrote: > Hello, Thomas. > > > On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 22:21, T Ingham wrote: >> The previous issue was related to Apple's version of glibtoolize, >> replacing with fink's copy fixes the ranlib issue. >> >> Now however, I have a more interesting note. I got the damn thing >> compiled! >> >> Here are some images showing a very unhappy Inkscape: >> >> http://www.coalmarch.com/images/inkscape/inkscape_osx_01.png > > I had that in my Yellowdog. I had to `make install' for the icons to be > loaded. Otherwise, the X server will display garbage instead of the > graphics. > > Hope that's it. > > Greetings! > > Daniel Díaz > yosoy@...31... > > > >> http://www.coalmarch.com/images/inkscape/inkscape_osx_02.png >> http://www.coalmarch.com/images/inkscape/inkscape_osx_03.png >> >> You can see that some of the icons appear to be loading in a corrupted >> fashion. This could be related to my cvs checkout ( done anon ) or >> perhaps the files needed for these icons simply aren't present. I >> can't >> say for sure. >> >> The other problem is that it appears as though our code base suffers >> from the same font problem that sodipodi did. Pogma at #fink on >> freenode.net says there is a patch available, but as I'm not really >> qualified for such business, I figured we could get someone to apply >> the necessary change? If I'm wrong, may I be flogged for thinking so. >> >> Laters, >> >> -thomas >> >> ps. I'm not sure if these qualify as bugs, since they appear to be >> platform and session specific. > > >

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shortcuts
by Yemu 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

Witaj Bryce, W Twoim liście datowanym 9 listopada 2003 (20:38:47) można przeczytać: BH> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, bulia byak wrote: >> Still more keys today. See the wiki page. Notably, esc now deselects and cancels rubberband selection. Also, lots more ways to switch tools and call >> dialogs. The program is becoming actually >> usable :) >> >> Actually, the bulk of the Sodipodi shortcuts programming task is now ready. However, quite a few bits remain, and still more are in my plans. It's >> addictive :) >> >> Sorry I've been committing all this right before the release, but I think it's unlikely to break anything. However, anyone please test the new keys >> before making a release. >> thanks bulia! shortcuts are great! they really speed up things! i have one suggestion concerning shortuts: it would be great if there were shourtcuts for aligning, like for example: c - center horizontally e - center vertically l - left r - right t - top b - bottom (these are key bindings from Corel which i like the most, and you must admit they are quite intuitive) best regards yemu

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icon.c
by Robert Crosbie 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

What direction is inkscape taking, expand use of icon.c generic subroutines, or use direct gtk calls? ie, do we expand use of: img = sp_icon_new(...) gtk_widget_show(img) or use img = gtk_image_new_from_file(...) gtk_widget_show(img) I'm looking into the bug where if you open the transformations dialog twice, inkscape will crash. The bug lies in the use of the icon.c routines. The transformations dialog is the only dialog to use the icon routines. I think we can quickly get rid of the crash by not using sp_icon_new. Otherwise I need to hunt more in the icon routines and see why the sp_icon_destroy is segfaulting. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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Ctrl-a DEL Ctrl-z crash
by Bryce Harrington 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

I found a repeatable crash bug while testing out the keyboard shortcuts. Bryce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 11:20:14 -0800 From: SourceForge.net <noreply@...34...> To: noreply@...34... Subject: [Inkscape-tracker] [ inkscape-Bugs-838897 ] Ctrl-a DEL Ctrl-z crash Bugs item #838897, was opened at 2003-11-09 19:20 Summary: Ctrl-a DEL Ctrl-z crash Initial Comment: 0. Start new inkscape 1. Create new document 2. Click on the rectangle button 3. Draw a rectangle in the document 4. Click the select tool in the toolbox 5. Click on the canvas inside the editing window 6. Ctrl-a 'select-all' 7. DEL 8. Ctrl-z 9. Reliably crashes This is with the CVS HEAD of inkscape as of 2003-1109 1000 PST, on Mandrake 9.1. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=604306&aid=838897&group_i…

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more keys
by bulia byak 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

Still more keys today. See the wiki page. Notably, esc now deselects and cancels rubberband selection. Also, lots more ways to switch tools and call dialogs. The program is becoming actually usable :) Actually, the bulk of the Sodipodi shortcuts programming task is now ready. However, quite a few bits remain, and still more are in my plans. It's addictive :) Sorry I've been committing all this right before the release, but I think it's unlikely to break anything. However, anyone please test the new keys before making a release. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Updated website
by Bryce Harrington 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

I wrote up blurbs on some of the progress over the past few days. Let me know of other things worth mentioning. http://www.inkscape.org/ Bryce

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about_text.svg versus about.svg
by MenTaLguY 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

I'm afraid I made some changes to about.svg and committed before I noticed about_text.svg there, but I don't seem to have the same verion of the font bryce used... For now, I've removed about_text.svg from glade/, since about.svg has gotten out of sync with it and merging the changes back has proven non-trivial. Longer-term, we should probably consider either bringing back about_text.svg and including the font used as part of the source tree (licensing permitting), or leaving the version number as text... -mental

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0.35 Release Status
by Bryce Harrington 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

We're nearly ready to cut the 0.35 release. The major change is of course the update to compile using g++ (or gcc). We've closed the bugs and integrated the patches posted to SourceForge. The code passes 'make distcheck' for Mental. A new About dialog has been created (http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots.html). We've got one more bug reported by mrchapp, that Mental is working on. Ted, would you like have the honor of cutting and posting the 0.35 release when Mental gives you the thumbs up signal? Bryce

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patch to disable NRTFFT2_DEBUG output
by Robert Crosbie 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

I figure by default, this debug message should be turned off. It will remove the spew of console output when you select Inkscape->About Inkscape or work with text in general. Placing a "no" in front of the define seems to be the convention used elsewhere. Index: ./src/libnrtype/nr-type-ft2.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/libnrtype/nr-type-ft2.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 nr-type-ft2.c --- ./src/libnrtype/nr-type-ft2.c 30 Oct 2003 10:29:49 -0000 1.2 +++ ./src/libnrtype/nr-type-ft2.c 9 Nov 2003 01:07:50 -0000 @@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ #include <freetype/ftbbox.h> #include "nr-type-ft2.h" -#define NRTFFT2_DEBUG +#define noNRTFFT2_DEBUG #ifdef NRTFFT2_DEBUG static int olcount = 0; Small stuff, but I'm taking baby steps in figuring out the code. Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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more kde removal
by Robert Crosbie 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

As part of the kde removal, I assume this would also need to be removed from configure.in: 276,285d275 < AC_ARG_WITH(kde, AC_HELP_STRING([--with-kde], [Compile with kde support (experimental)]), [kde=$withval], [kde=no]) < < AM_CONDITIONAL(USE_KDE, test "x$kde" = "xyes") < if test "x$kde" = "xyes"; then < AC_PROG_CXX < AC_PATH_KDE < KDE_CHECK_NEWLIBS < AC_DEFINE(WITH_KDE, 1, [Use experimental kde support]) < fi < 320d309 < KDE support: ${kde} Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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[Inkscape-tracker] [ inkscape-Patches-838528 ] Remove hacky KDE stuff (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

Thanks for the patch Manny, it's been accepted and applied to the codebase. Bryce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:21:16 -0800 From: SourceForge.net <noreply@...34...> To: noreply@...34... Subject: [Inkscape-tracker] [ inkscape-Patches-838528 ] Remove hacky KDE stuff Patches item #838528, was opened at 2003-11-08 20:17 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mannythegnome You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=604308&aid=838528&group_i… Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Christian Neumair (mannythegnome) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Remove hacky KDE stuff Initial Comment: Removes all dependencies on KDE's file selector. It really isn't work the effort and adds a lot of headache. In addition, you need to remove the file acinclude.m4. regs, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Christian Neumair (mannythegnome) Date: 2003-11-08 20:21 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=836555 Forgot to mention: You've got to remove src/modules/kde* as well. regs, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=604308&aid=838528&group_i… ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-tracker mailing list Inkscape-tracker(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-tracker

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Old extensions spec
by Bryce Harrington 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

I posted to Wiki the spec I did for the extensions system for Sodipodi. It's not as slick as full language bindings but was a cinch to implement. I also put the XML config. Might have ideas worth borrowing. Bryce

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more arrow keys fun - committed
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

I had to learn CVS which I never used before... Anyway, several files were just committed, with fixes and rewrites regarding the arrow keys in selector and node editor. Now they all work consistently to move by absolute or screen (with alt) distance, normal or 10x (with shift) speed. node-context.c was rewritten so that there's only one switch and every key checks its own modifiers. This made it a bit more bulky but now it's much more orthogonal and therefore easier to add new shortcuts. I have created a wiki page: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardShortcuts (imported from sodipodi) where I will track my progress with keyboard. Ideally, I would like to see the program almost totally controllable from keyboard, with only the tasks like freehand drawing left to mouse. Hopefully I will have some free time in the coming months to advance towards this goal. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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learning via wiki: preferences
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

Now I want to add a preference value for the default nudge distance so I can implement absolute-value movements with arrow keys, as planned. I started to figure this out but got stuck. I thought I coule use the wiki to speed this up. So I made a page where I described what I figured out so far: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HandlingPreferences If anyone could review, fix, and complete that description that would be great. I would learn what I want to learn, and we'll have a documentation resource for developers as a side effect. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] my first hack
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

> I couldn't get it to work? I applied your patch (which looks ok!) but > when I select some nodes and type on the keypad the node doesn't move. > with a few printfs I couldn't even get the even handler to get called. Strange - I just checked out the cvs (with my patch already applied, thanks to Bryce) and it works for me. Just select one or more nodes of a shape in the node editor (F2) and use arrows (both normal arrows and keypad arrows work), or arrows with shift if you want it to move 10 times faster. Can anyone else please check this? P.S. please always send both to the list and to my email when talking to me - thanks! -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] my first hack
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

I found that sometimes arrow keys don't work because other windows steal focus. For example a docked toolbar may steal focus (even though it's docked!), and the zoom value field in the bottom left corner also loves to grab the focus and not let it go. This is an old problem (see "usability" programming task on Sodipodi site). I will see what I can do about it - but I'm afraid it's too complex for me, so if a real programmer could look into that, that would be nice. Basically, we need non-canvas windows to send focus and keystrokes to the (current) canvas whenever possible. Still, if you click on the canvas first, the arrow keys always work :) -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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my first hack
by bulia byak 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

I just uploaded a patch to the sf patch tracker enabling arrow keys in node editor. This turned out to be simpler than I expected. Perhaps I will implement more of http://sodipodi.sourceforge.net/index.php3?section=development/tasks/keyboa… when I have time. Please review the patch and let me know if it will be accepted. Now, a question for your FAQ: why the fork? Was Lauris unwilling to collaborate? Being very busy lately I could not check the mailing list often, so please enlighten me. I understand that sometimes a fork may be the only thing to do, but was it really necessary in this case? What are you planning to do that was impossible to do without a fork? My reason for asking these questions is simple - I just want to know if I have to provide my patches to both Inkscape and Sodipodi or I can safely concentrate on one of them without being afraid that the other one will win in the long run :) -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape 0.35-pre0
by Robert Crosbie 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

>Message: 12 >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:15:25 -0800 (PST) >From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1...> >To: herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@...26...> >cc: inkscape-devel <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape 0.35-pre0 > >On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, herve couvelard wrote: > > > Bryce Harrington wrote: > > > Since SourceForge CVS can be iffy for some people, I've cut a source > > > tarball, that can be gotten here: > > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 > > > > > > Unless anyone has any objections, we can consider it in feature-freeze > > > for the next few days. Patches that fix compilation bugs, crashes, or > > > solve packaging issues are encouraged at this time. We'll also be > > > checking the bug tracker for critical or easily fixed issues. > > > > > > Bryce > > configure make make install went fine redhat9 kernel 2.4.20-19.9 > > didn't play much with it > > > > just one think : kde support : no > > > > Is it important ? did i missed something ? > >Lauris was experimenting with using some Qt/KDE features in Sodipodi. >We're planning on disabling and removing those because we think it's >best to focus on one windowing/widgeting system, and while we like KDE, >we decided to focus on Gtk (Gtkmm, specifically.) > >So leaving that turned off is appropriate. > >Bryce > ...and if you turn it on, you might not be able to link anyway. after ./configure --with-kde modules/libspmodules.a(kde.o)(.text+0x12c): In function `sp_kde_init': /home/rcrosbie/program/inkscape-0.35-pre0/src/modules/kde-private.h:20: undefined reference to `vtable for SPKDEBridge' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Inkscape 0.35-pre0
by Bryce Harrington 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Since SourceForge CVS can be iffy for some people, I've cut a source tarball, that can be gotten here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 Unless anyone has any objections, we can consider it in feature-freeze for the next few days. Patches that fix compilation bugs, crashes, or solve packaging issues are encouraged at this time. We'll also be checking the bug tracker for critical or easily fixed issues. Bryce

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devel questions
by herve couvelard 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

hello, I was using sodipodi for svg and gis. for what i understood, it seems that the forked inkscape will, in the future match more my goals. I would like to help with some gis stuffs : area of path (closed ones), area of intersection of path. intersection of path (with beziers curves) scales and so more.... I am not a C developper, but i started to learn a little as wome of my code will merge in a php extension (work one use twice.) will inkscape turn into C++ ? (i didn't understand all of the thing ?) i think i understood it would use a plug-in mechanism to 'merge' functionnalities in the soft, that would be a nice feature. how could that change the way of coding ? I know that my last question might be really 'over-over-not-cool', but it would be very helpfull for me to start if someone could tell me (or point me somewhere) in few lines : how create a toolbox. how to affects action to a drawn-objet: ex running a script that change the color of a path how to collect action to a drawn object : ex where is the code that complete the position_toolbox. i understand that is a newb-dummy question, but the name of the function with its source files would be sufficient. i am used to php so i 'understand' a little c code, and i would gain really time and effort. Herve

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Feature notes
by Cédric GEMY 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

-- Sorry I wanted to send this in the feature request part of the site but I'm always timed out. After reading Some docs on the website here are may some clues : -Scribus is a DTP coded in C++ (but with Qt). it can work with Python Script. May be have a look at this could help doing the same in Inkscape. -If the later can be done, this will help eventually include some of good Sketch (written in Python) possibilities in Inkscape. - Also Scribus has good NodeTool, and good text tool featuring textbox (frame) or text on a path. cheers Cédric

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Re to hervé
by Cédric GEMY 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

-- Hi hervé, I can understand your trouble. As i know a bit of PHP too, I tryied to unerstand something to Sodipodi's source code (mais c'est déjà trop évolué avec plein de dépendances etc...). But I'm sure there will be things wonderfull to do with Sodipodi and more with Inkscape if it is really object-oriented. For Toolbox, i've simply to GTK site but the difficulty is to merge C file with the others (which we still have to understand). $$ Je peux comprendre que des gens qui connaissent déjà tout ça n'aient pas envie de jouer les profs $$ I suppose we could help each other (we 2), and may be will succeed in this. I've proposed Lauris Kaplinsky to work on ToolBox because I think it is not very reasonnable. May be that could be a beginning. $$ je suis français il semble que toi aussi, je ne regarde pas mes mails tous les jours mais tu peux me joindre directement radar.map35@...27... A+ Cédric

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Re : logo
by Cédric GEMY 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

This looks nice, but it reminds me Quicksilver logo PS. Inkscape birth announced on svgfr.net !

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remaining distcheck
by Nathan Hurst 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

ERROR: files left after distclean: ./inkscape.desktop ./src/libnr/nr_config.h ./intltool-extract ./intltool-merge ./intltool-update make[1]: *** [distcleancheck] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home2/njh/cvs/inkscape/inkscape-0.0/=build' make: *** [distcheck] Error 2

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Logo
by Bryce Harrington 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

http://www.rydia.net/~mental/inkscape-logo.png Bryce

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greetings...svgx.org
by michael bolger 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Greetings, have added an "item" link to your very fine project at http://www.svgx.org -a service provided by the SVG Foundation. great stuff ahead cheers michael bolger

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PARTNERSHIP
by abiola keazors 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

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celtic knot question
by Robert Crosbie 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Well my first post to the list, without actually having received a digest yet, is to ask Bryce how he made the over-under effect in the celtic knot in the screenshot. Celtic knots are a fascination of mine: http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/celtic_svg.htm (older drawings) I use SVG to create plans for my woodworking hobby. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/woodworking.htm I browsed the wiki and saw the celtic knot plugin idea. I'm naturally all for it. :) Douglas Zongker has a neet celtic knot generator using a tiling method with output in postscriot here: http://isotropic.org/uw/knot/ I really hope I can provide some input to inkscape in the future. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie PS. I hope there are no flag posts. :) _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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New to the scene
by Jon A.Cruz 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Hi. I've been lurking on the sodipodi scene for a while, but now am getting time to actually contribute. At the same time Inkscape appears! Anyway, I've worked a fair bit with GTKmm before, and I'll try to see if anyone is on Jabber tonight (evening PST).

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Jabber, Email, Wiki, and Website
by Bryce Harrington 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Communication is key for the success of any team effort, and in open source projects, written communication is critical for success. Briefly I'd like to explain the different communication channels we have, in case some are unfamiliar with them. === Jabber === Chat is a convenient, immediate, and free-form way of exchanging information, and we make heavy use of it. For fun we decided to try out Jabber and liked it enough that we've continued to use it. Details about getting started with it are on the website. We'd like to know if people would prefer IRC, though. If enough people cannot or do not wish to use Jabber, then we should switch to IRC. Please speak up if you have an opinion on this. If you have a good discussion in chat that you think others might be interested in, consider sending a copy of the log to the mailing list. === Email Lists === Email is preferred for information that needs wider visibility, such as things that will require discussion in preparation for making decisions. The mailing lists are also archived, so new developers can review past discussions to get up to speed. If you see or write a good email on a topic that people will wish to refer to longer in the future, consider pasting a copy of it into Wiki, so that it'll be easier for people to find and maintain later. === Wiki === Wiki is the new discussion medium we're introducing. A Wiki is a website that can be edited and added to by anyone. It's like a virtual whiteboard, and that's how we want to use it. It's good for gaining wide visibility and its more persistant than email (no having to browse through archives). Wiki's are great for capturing info quickly and semi-permanently, and for writing collaboratively. This makes them perfect for brainstorming and hashing out plans, designs, floating proposals, etc. Wiki's can get a bit chaotic over time, and for people with only a quick interest in the project they can be too much effort to search through for "official" information. So, if a page in Wiki becomes 'official' enough that it needs higher visibility and/or more formality, consider turning it into a proper web page. === Website === The website is simple flat HTML files, using SSI to put the header and footer on. It's stored in the CVS module inkscape_web. Anyone with CVS commit permissions can and is encouraged to make changes to the website. Changes to the website are posted to the inkscape-cvs@ mailing list. Each communication medium has its strengths and weaknesses. If we are all good about using them appropriately, and promoting information from one to the next where beneficial, it will give Inkscape a great communication infrastructure. Miscommunication is a leading cause of trouble in projects, so it is well worth our effort to work to prevent them from occurring. Bryce

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Exciting!
by Jonathan Phillips 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

I have to say that INKSCAPE is very exciting! I really dig the name and the opening up rather than the bottlenecking of development is going to help. EXCELLENT! jon -- Jon Phillips UCSD Graduate Researcher Computational Media PO BOX 948667 La Jolla, Ca 92037 858.361.2811 www.protofunk.org jon@...15...

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Re: Re: more infos
by Cédric GEMY 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

-- Sorry if we misunderstood, I've to improve my english. For the manual, if there is a different UI in Sodipodi and in Inkspace, there's no trouble, if fonctions are the same, files are the same. The only things to do is to create a different file for Inkscape in there's some difference. In fact, since the manual is written in XML Docbook, the only need is to add an attribute specifying if the information is going for Sodipodi or Inkscape. Pages are automatically generated following this. But this was just a idea. In the future I'll use sourceforge tools, ans less the mailing list. But on the site, I didn't find no direct link to trackers and forums I had to follow the links in the project info section of the wiki Cédric

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Re : more infos about Inkscape
by Cédric GEMY 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Hi Bryce and everybody, I knew that Sodipodi has to be transferred to C++, but not it'd become a new project. Will Inskape be a standalone project, at the end completeley different from Sodipodi. If it is the case, why did you decide to make this new project ? What will it include in the future ? Will it tend so interactivity or animations edition ? Will it be compliant with SVG sub-recommandations as SVG-print ( is that the 'Ink') or SVG-Mobile? Who are the people developping Inkscape ? Are other people needed ? In which case and particular need ? Etc... I can try helping if the code is reasonably commented. At this time I'm still working on Sodipodi User Manual. I'm considering it as a free document. Since Inkscape has the same features than Sodipodi, and if it is convincing you, it can be intergrated as Inkscape Documentation. Friendly, Cédric

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Updates to Inkscape website
by Bryce Harrington 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

I added super preliminary FAQ and screenshot pages, and fleshed out the homepage with some news items. http://www.inkscape.org/ Bryce

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C++ fixes (mostly) complete
by MenTaLguY 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

I've essentially finished the C++ conversion; the only thing I had to give up on for now was getting spsvgview to build. I've disabled it for the present. The main application itself seems to work fine, at any rate. -mental

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tag
by MenTaLguY 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

By the way, I've tagged the version of the conversion that works for me with the tag 'g++-conversion'. -mental

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Objective for milestone 1
by Bryce Harrington 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

Given the amount of work the g++ conversion has taken, I'm simplifying the focus for milestone 1 to be completion and release of the g++ conversion and getting the website up to snuff. I think those are probably the two most important things right now, since a release and a website are prereqs to getting others involved. What do you guys think? I've listed some items for Milestone 2 but consider them extremely preliminary. I'm figuring that once we've got the C++ conversion securely under our belts, we're going to want some breathing time to do some random R&D, cleanup, etc. etc. so I think keeping the tasks for M2 flexible would be a good thing. Feel free to shove things that seem uninteresting/unimportant to you to the future, or move up or add things you are drawn to working on. Thinking beyond that to mid-term strategies, I figure we're going to want to have a mix of feature, architecture, and test development, and select a specific effort for each of these areas to focus on. Whatever work is selected for the architecture development, lets make sure to do it on a branch, as this type of work is the most likely to require leaving the tree in a broken state for a long time. Bryce

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Project Status
by Bryce Harrington 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

We're off to a good solid start. Milestone 0 is nearly done - we just need to wrestle Mental into posting 'experimental' ;-). We've got the codebase compiling under g++ now, and are down to linker errors. While it's turned out to be quote a battle, we're showing good teamwork that is bound to benefit us with future efforts. The Hydra branch got accepted and integrated into the Sodipodi codebase, which nicely validates our earlier efforts. The SourceForge project has been configured up, and we've got a first stab at a website. Several other Sodipodi developers have been notified of our intent; I've only heard from oka though, so I suspect we need to prove our mettle before gaining their support. Statistics ========== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 6103 (56.2%) Week's Rank on SourceForge: 6023 (56.8%) Lines of Code in src/: 115,754 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 Lines of content in website: 74 Days since last ChangeLog mod: 4 Bugs open/closed: 0/0 Features open/closed: 0/0 Patches open/closed: 0/0 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 148 Inkscape-devel membership: 4 Development Roadmap - Current Milestone 0 =================== Inkscape Production: * (DONE) Post hydra-october patchset to Sodipodi mailing list [bryce] * (DONE) Import sodipodi into inkscape CVS as module 'inkscape' from hydra-october [mental] * (DONE) Unsodipodify the tree, replacing instances of 'Sodipodi' with 'Inkscape' where appropriate (we will be keeping the sodipodi XML namespace for compatibility) [mental] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [bryce] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [mental] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [ted] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [njh] * (DONE) Decide what release number N to use (0.00? 0.33? 0.35? 1.00?) - we'll use 0.35 Inkscape Experimental * (DONE) Decide name for Mental's sketch 'inkscape-experimental'? 'experimental'? 'inkscape-next-gen'? -- It shall be called 'experimental' [mental] * Import code into CVS [mental] Inkscape Website * (DONE) Set up a Wiki [bryce] * (DONE) Post sketchy website with homepage, contact info, news, and pointer to wiki [bryce] * (DONE) Set up website to auto-rebuild every few minutes [bryce]

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Re: [Sodipodi-list] Karbon14: Bool-Ops, SVG-Import (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

May be worth checking out the codebase of Karbon to scope out if it'd be worth borrowing code/algorithms from it. I've added a task to wiki to do so. Bryce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:33:19 +0300 From: yemu@...7... To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Karbon14: Bool-Ops, SVG-Import > I just read some information about the upcoming K-Office 1.3, which contains a vector drawing app called Karbon14: > http://www.koffice.org/karbon/ karbon 14 seems to be very interesting app. hopefully it'll be possible to use boolops code (or other like eps import) from them. it looks like karbon is a little ahead of Sodipodi, so maybe itwould be possible to use what they have done already. best regards yemu ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ _______________________________________________ Sodipodi-list mailing list Sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list

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latest commits
by Nathan Hurst 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

I've been working my way through sodipodi making everything work with g++. At this point I have done: libnr/* libnrtype/* inkscape.c Not complete, but partly working: helpers widgets to test, just change the CC=gcc line in the makefile and make clean && make the aim is to have inkscape compile both in gcc and g++. biggest problem is _(). most effort has been fixing variables named 'new' and 'class' and sorting out the various string types. I also found a bug thanks to the type system (two params swapped) :). njh

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Planned tasks for milestone 0
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Given that we really just started this yesterday, it's impressive how far we've got so suddenly. The remaining tasks for this milestone are quite modest, and I think we could quite easily get them finished up today and have our first milestone behind us. :-) Bryce === Milestone 0 === Inkscape Production: * (DONE) Post hydra-october patchset to Sodipodi mailing list [bryce] * (DONE) Import sodipodi into inkscape CVS as module 'inkscape' from hydra-october [mental] * (DONE) Unsodipodify the tree, replacing instances of 'Sodipodi' with 'Inkscape' where appropriate (we will be keeping the sodipodi XML namespace for compatibility) [mental] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [bryce] * (DONE) Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [mental] * Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [ted] * Install inkscape 0.00 for personal use [njh] * Decide what release number N to use (0.00? 0.33? 1.00?) [mental] Inkscape Experimental * (DONE) Decide name for Mental's sketch 'inkscape-experimental'? 'experimental'? 'inkscape-next-gen'? -- It shall be called 'experimental' [mental] * Import code into CVS [mental] Inkscape Website * (DONE) Set up a Wiki [bryce] * (DONE) Post sketchy website with homepage, contact info, news, and pointer to wiki [bryce] * (DONE) Set up website to auto-rebuild every few minutes [bryce]

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CVS commit diff
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

I expect most people already know this but in case not here's a trick to get cvs commit to display a diff of what you're checking in: Create a file called ~/bin/cvsdiffedit: ---------------------------------- #!/bin/bash echo Building diff... cvs diff -u 2>/dev/null | perl -ne 'print "CVS: $_" unless /^\?/' >> $1 exec emacs $1 ---------------------------------- (Change 'emacs' to your favorite editor) Then put this in your .cshrc: ---------------------------------- ... if (-e $HOME/bin/cvsdiffedit) then setenv CVSEDITOR "$HOME/bin/cvsdiffedit" endif ... ---------------------------------- Or if you use BASH or similar: ---------------------------------- ... export CVSEDITOR=~/bin/cvsdiffedit ... ---------------------------------- Bryce

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Website auto-rebuild
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

The website is set to auto-update every couple minutes. To modify the website, check out inkscape_web, cd into src/, add or edit files and directories as desired, and do cvs commit. Docs on the EtText format are available from ettext.taint.org. Bryce

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New mailing lists
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

I've added two "auto-notify" mailing lists. inkscape-tracker@...6... is configured to get CC'd for all Bug, Patch, or Feature Request submissions sent by users. Useful for keeping in touch with what users are wanting. inkscape-cvs@...6... gets sent every CVS commit message. Useful for tracking what developers are doing. Enjoy, Bryce

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Install inkscape
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Now that Mental has imported inkscape into CVS, I recommend that each of us make an effort to download, compile, and install it within the next few days, and to force ourselves to start using it instead of sodipodi for all of our own personal vector drawing needs. I've created tasks for each of us to do this, on the plan. Please mark them (DONE) when you've finished installing it on your system. http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DevelopmentRoadmap Bryce

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Skeleton website
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

I blatantly stole the web structure, etc. from OSDL for us. http://www.inkscape.org/ I expect we'll chuck the color and look & feel stuff, but this gives us the basic structure, navigational elements, etc. This is checked into cvs as inkscape_web. This doesn't use php, so our URL's are going to be like normal URLs instead of hanging everything off of an index.php?foo=bar type thing. Since it uses TT2 we can still do a lot of the same scripting type stuff that can be done in PHP, only without any processing overhead. Bryce

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Copyright assignment policy
by Bryce Harrington 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

It is a common misconception that one should list as copyright holder for docs, sourcecode, etc. the name of the project, unless it is an actual legal entity. Obviously, 99% of open source projects aren't legal entities. Likewise, Inkscape isn't and probably won't be a legal entity, so can't hold copyright. Assigning copyright of something to a non-legal entity invalidates it. If there would ever happen to be any question of copyright, this would make it difficult to chase down who really holds the copyright. So ironically by trying to do something nice for the project it could cause more problems than it solves. Thank god that this is almost never ever an issue since open source projects rarely get into legal troubles. Instead, list yourself as the author and copyright holder for things you make, and make sure to declare it GPL'd. (If you wish, you can dual license with yourself and Inkscape if for some reason you're optimistic that one day someone will bother to file the papers to make it a legal entity.) Also take care to provide good contact info so folks can track you down 10 years from now if, for instance, they needed to assign you a bunch of stock options or something. ;-) Bryce

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hydra is in CVS
by MenTaLguY 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Just a quick note to let you guys know I've imported Hydra into CVS as module 'inkscape'. -mental

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DNS and other things
by MenTaLguY 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

I've finished twiddling DNS for inkscape.org to point at our SF webspace, I think, though it'll take a while for things to settle down and propagate. I've also added email aliases @inkscape.org for each of the currently added developers (y'all let me know if you object). Also, I'd like to congratulate bryce on his perennial state of being-on-the-ball with this mailing list thing and getting more folks added, so I didn't have to. ^_^ Next up is probably getting the goodies in CVS. I'm strongly in favor of labeling the Sodipodi fork "hydra", but I'm not sure what to call the piece of code I'm working on. I'd originally been thinking "hercules", but maybe just "inkscape" is fine? Also, is anyone any good with Doxygen? I'd like to start looking into that for both codebases... -mental

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"Invariants"
by Bryce Harrington 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

The book "Open Source Development with CVS" is IMHO the best source of good, solid advice about starting and running open source projects. (The odd numbered chapters talk about cvs, the even ones about open source dev.) For starting a new project one of the key things it recommends is to choose the "Invariants" for the project. That is to say, certain base assumptions that define with some specificity what the project will be (and, on the flip side, what it _won't_ be.) This is important because it helps potential users and developers in setting their expectations and determining if the project is worth their effort. Typical invariants would be file formats, programming languages, and key underlying libraries. Processes and policies could also be invariants if they would play a large role in how decisions are made in the project. The trick is to select specific enough invariants to make it easy to pigeon-hole the project, without painting yourself into a corner. Typical mistakes would be picking a programming language you're not totally familiar with, or a new library that you haven't discovered its quirks yet, or selecting hardware performance criteria that make sense today but turn out to be anemic and silly when you finally hit 1.00. Based on our discussions so far, it looks like the invariants might be: * Full SVG compliance * Core coded in C/C++ * Gtk-compliant user interface * Extensible using various scripting languages * Open, community-oriented development processes * Baseline is the Sodipodi 0.32 codebase * Strives to use commonly available libraries Thoughts? More? Less? I think the first three in particular are important items to establish firmly, because they are the types of things that can get endlessly argued back and forth and back again, until months path with zero results. Establishing them as invariants allows us all to admit and agree that C and C++ suck, and lets us get down to coding in them anyway. ;-) Bryce

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Inkscape Wiki now available
by Bryce Harrington 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

http://inkscape.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HomePage If you've used Wiki before, have at it, you know the drill. If not, click the 'edit' link and write what comes to mind. Bryce

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frist psot
by MenTaLguY 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

(or not)

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Welcome!
by Bryce Harrington 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

First post. ;-) Bryce

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