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SVG in OpenDocument
by Jon Phillips 31 Jul '05

31 Jul '05

Hello all, Would anyone be interested in following up on the problems between the OpenDocument format and SVG? Mental, you seemed most versed in discussing these issues previously. I fear we are too late! OOo is geared up with OpenDocument support and I noticed that Krita and other KOffice apps already support the format. Man, why couldn't OpenDocument just use SVG man...ugh! Inkscape will need to support import/export of OpenDocument in the near future. http://books.evc-cit.info/odbook/book.html I have added two bugs for this for export and import: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1235849&group_id=9… http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1233861&group_id=9… How do you all feel about? What are your thoughts? If you are interested in seeing a quick overview of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument Scribus already supports this format as well. Daniel, could you inform both lists about the state of your discussion with OASIS about this? Jon -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...878...> > To: Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> > Subject: SVG in OpenDocument. > Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 04:16:40 -0400 > > Hi Jon, > > I've been trying to follow up on the issue with SVG and OpenDocument. I > admit I'm out of my area here, I don't really know much about SVG. > > I've been trying to contact developers in OpenOffice.org in charge of > SVG import to get them to list where OpenDocument fails to be SVG > compatible and send the information to the OASIS TC. Gary says that the > TC really looks at incomming comments and will try to fix the format. > > Since you know SVG, and you found areas where OpenDocument is not doing > things right, I was hoping that you too might contact the OASIS TC. The > mailing list is office-comment@...879... > > I'm sure that getting the format fixed will be a slow process. I've > never heard of a standards body that did things fast. But I do want to > see the format fixed. > > As for myself, I'm slowly reading through a book on OpenDocument, so I > can have a better idea of what I'm talking about: > > http://books.evc-cit.info/odbook/book.html > > Cheers, > Daniel. > -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org)

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projective transform extension (almost)
by unknown＠example.com 31 Jul '05

31 Jul '05

This morning on Jabber someone mentioned perspective transforms, so I wasted the whole day trying to see if I could write an extension for such a thing. I can't. I'm missing the most important part: the transformation matrix. But if someone can provide a python function to calculate the transformation matrix given the bbox rectangle of a path and an arbitrary destination quadrilateral, I think it might work. I tried unsuccesfully to borrow code from these two sources: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gimp/app/core/gimp-transform-utils.c?view=mark… https://jai-core.dev.java.net/source/browse/jai-core/src/share/classes/java… If someone wants to take a stab at the task my unfinished code is here (I'm not sure what state of debugging I left it in): http://www.ekips.org/comp/inkscape/inx/project.py http://www.ekips.org/comp/inkscape/inx/project.inx In order to use the effect the user must: 1. draw a 4 node path (it makes sense for the path to be closed but I suppose it isn't necessary). 2. adjust those 4 nodes to the corners of the destination quadrilateral. 3. select the control quad before the path that should be transformed. (only those two paths should be selected.) No, I don't think that this is convenient or intuitive. Please help, Aaron Spike

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svgslice and inkscape autodetection warning
by Lee Braiden 30 Jul '05

30 Jul '05

SVGSlice is now working as an extension. If anyone is interested in getting this into inkscape's officially included extensions, would it be possible to do this for 42.1, or is that going to be bugfix-only? There is one small Inkscape issue, which I'm currently working around. I'm calling inkscape from within an extension, like so: inkscape --without-gui --export-id="itemtoexport" --export-png="pngfilename" "svgfilename" But this outputs the following: ** (inkscape:25789): WARNING **: Format autodetect failed. The file is being opened as SVG. Strangely, this doesn't happen on the same file if I load it directly from the command line with inkscape "svgfilename". At the moment, I'm redirecting the errors from the inkscape call to /dev/null, since inkscape will display the warnings as an extension failure. However, I'd prefer not to have to do this, in case inkscape DOES have something important to warn about. Is this something I can prevent, or a bug that can be fixed for 42.1 somehow, regardless of whether the extension can make that release? -- Lee Braiden http://www.DigitalUnleashed.com

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Test some packages
by Daniel Díaz 30 Jul '05

30 Jul '05

Hello, all! I'm about to launch a new Bleeding-Edge Inkscape Factory (now with more bandwidth and more disk space and features) so I'd like some of you to test the generated packages. The temporary URL is: http://mrchapp2.homelinux.net/~inkscape/ This BEIF can do Autopackage for Linux and cross-compile for Win32 (and do Zips, 7zips, NSIS installers, and the good old à la carte directory.) I don't have a Win32 computer to test it with, so I'd appreciate if anyone can test it in the verge of this last release, so that Inkscape 0.43 will have a full-fledged factory from tomorrow on. I'm also very new to Autopackages whatsoever, and don't know if these packages are generated correctly. Hints will be appreciated. Also, this BEIF would be very easily replicated at some other hosts as I prepared a setup script that would take care of it all. I hope this will ease the cross-compiler installations. Thanks to everybody that helped me in setting this up. Greetings! Daniel Díaz yosoy@...31...

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Test some packages
by aaron＠...749... 30 Jul '05

30 Jul '05

Daniel Díaz wrote: > Hi, Aaron! > > > On 7/24/05, aaron@...749... <aaron@...749...> wrote: > >>Daniel Díaz wrote: >> >>>Also, this BEIF would be very easily replicated at some other hosts as >>>I prepared a setup script that would take care of it all. I hope this >>>will ease the cross-compiler installations. >> >>I'm interested. >>Aaron Spike > > > You can download the scripts from here: > http://mrchapp2.homelinux.net/~ddiaz/inkscape/beif-0.2.0.tar.gz > > Your input is very welcome! I downloaded one of your autopackages today. You have the same problem I have. We need to staticly link the C++ libs. (Though maybe this isn't quite as necessary for the nightly builds.) Aaron Spike

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0.42.1 status
by MenTaLguY 30 Jul '05

30 Jul '05

Here's what I've got now. Any more stuff? Or bug numbers for the missing items? I'm still looking for a fix for the Win98 crashes and font cache issues in particular... (fwiw, I'm saving po and tutorials for last) > 2005-07-30 MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> > > * src/sp-tspan.cpp: fix from bulia for incorrect tag name [bug 1247658] > > * packaging/win32/inkscape.nsi: > fix from Adib to purge dlls from preexisting installation [bug 1247068] > > 2005-07-29 MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> > > * src/text-editing.cpp: another backport from cyreve [bug number??] > > 2005-07-28 MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> > > * Makefile.mingw.common, configure.ac, > packaging/win32/inkscape.nsi, src/inkscape_version.h.mingw: > > bump version to 0.42+0.42.1cvs > > * src/dialogs/stroke-style.cpp: backport bulia's fix for stroke width > spin button [bug number??] > > * src/text-editing.cpp: backport bulia's fix for text crash > [bug 1247066] > > * src/libnrtype/Layout-TNG-OutIter.cpp: backport cyreve fix for > crash on delete in virgin flowtext [bug 1245842] > > * configure.ac: Kees fix for libgc detection w/dlopen [bug number??]

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Number of Inkscape Users Worldwide
by Jon Phillips 30 Jul '05

30 Jul '05

How could we estimate the number of users of Inkscape internationally? I've been thinking about this much. How many people use Inkscape on a daily basis, or have used it? There must be some good statistical method for calculating how many users Inkscape has...obviously, the concept of user would need to be refined, but is there anyone on this list that could speak to this? We know that we have at least 40,000 new downloads of 0.42 of Inkscape...which is a lowball figure for our total number of users IMO. Could we say there are several thousand users of Inkscape? Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: rejon@...896... IRC: rejon@...897... Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org)

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FW: Screenshot für Inkscape ins nächste c't-Heft
by Taraben, Adib 30 Jul '05

30 Jul '05

Bruce, the writer for this german computer magazin C't wanted to add a screenshot in their next issue. He is asking wheter he can just take one from the web page without conflicting any copyrights. This is very urgent as he has to finalize his article tomorrow morning. BTW: do they exists in svg format also ? Thanks, Adib. ---- -----Original Message----- From: Peter König [mailto:pek@...883...] Sent: Thu 7/28/2005 14:28 To: Taraben, Adib Subject: Screenshot für Inkscape ins nächste c't-Heft Hallo Herr Taraben, ich habe eine relativ dringende Anfrage: Das schöne Inkscape-Release soll nach dem Heise-Newsticker nun auch auf einer der Aktuell-Seiten im Heft vorgestellt werden. Dazu bräuchte ich noch bis morgen Mittag (besser noch heute) einen schönen Screenshot des neuen Releases. Es gibt auf der Website ja einige Beispiele, aber kann man davon einfach welche nehmen, ohne dass es Probleme mit dem Copyright gibt? Mit freundlichen Grüßen und vielem Dank, Peter König, c't

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Re: [Inkscape-user] News item about 0.42.1
by Adib Taraben 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

bulia byak schrieb: > On 7/29/05, Adib Taraben <taraben.a@...50...> wrote: > >>Bryce, I have solved: >>1247068 WIN32: unable to start when installed over 0.41 > > > Excellent - please make sure the fix gets into 0.42.1 (contact Mental if needed) > Mental, /inkscape/packaging/win32/inkscape.nsi Version 1.9 solves the issue. It clears all dll's, the etc, lib and local path. To remove anything from previous libs. But keeps share , ... Need someone to really doublecheck. I tested on WinXP German. HTH, Adib.

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working directory for extensions
by Lee Braiden 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Is there any reason why Inkscape remains CD'd to the startup directory when calling extensions, or would it be possible to set the working directory to the one a file is being saved in? Otherwise, I need some other way to figure out were to save additional files besides the extension's main output file. -- Lee Braiden http://www.DigitalUnleashed.com

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News item about 0.42.1
by Bryce Harrington 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

I've posted a news item about the pending 0.42.1 release, to help warn people who might be running into trouble, and let them know that the best thing to do if they're having trouble is to sit tight until the fixed package is posted. If someone creates a wiki page for 0.42 installation workarounds, let me knwo. I can add a link to it from this news item. Bryce

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ACTION REQUIRED: binary files
by MenTaLguY 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO: update your working copy with "cvs update -A" IF YOU ARE WORKING ON A BRANCH: use "cvs update -A -r BRANCH" instead. Here's what's going on: It's been reported that bitmap image files in e.g. the tutorials are broken on the Win32 builds. The reason appears to be that images and binary files were often not checked in with -kb as they ought to have been. So folks checking those files out on Windows got corrupt versions. I've fixed now fixed this for existing files via cvs admin. I'm going to try to make it automatic for common file extensions from now on, but I'm sure I'll miss some. In the future, please specify -kb when you "cvs add" a binary file. Thank you. -mental

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Compiling under Win32 - isFinite() problem
by Omar Cornut 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Hello, I'm trying to integrate bezier-utils.cpp into our own GPL software, and integrated necessary headers (from src/ and src/libnr/ especially). So in essence I'm not compiling Inkscape itself, but it's obvious that I would get the same problem if I tried to because the bug has no dependance. Using the 'isFinite' macro doesn't work. Source used: inkscape-0.42.tar.gz System: Win32 (Windows XP) Compiler: Microsoft Visual C++ .NET 7.1.3088 Compiler Log: Compiling... bezier-utils.cpp bezier-utils.cpp(598) : error C2039: 'isfinite' : is not a member of 'std' bezier-utils.cpp(598) : error C3861: 'isfinite': identifier not found, even with argument-dependent lookup [...] The lines with error uses macro 'isFinite' Macro 'isFinite' is defined in 'isnan.h' #if defined(__APPLE__) || defined(__isfinite) # define isFinite(_a) (__isfinite(_a)) /* MacOSX/Darwin definition */ #elif defined(isfinite) # define isFinite(_a) (isfinite(_a)) #else # define isFinite(_a) (std::isfinite(_a)) #endif The last one gets used under my build environment. Looking at mailing list archives, this seems to be a recurring problem, or at least it has been mentionned several times already. At suggested in 'isnan.h', this works: # define isFinite(_a) (!isNaN((_a) - (_a))) Full block, patched: #if defined(__APPLE__) || defined(__isfinite) # define isFinite(_a) (__isfinite(_a)) /* MacOSX/Darwin definition */ #elif defined(isfinite) # define isFinite(_a) (isfinite(_a)) #elif defined (WIN32) # define isFinite(_a) (!isNaN((_a) - (_a))) #else # define isFinite(_a) (std::isfinite(_a)) #endif Not sure if it is the best solution. A specialized isfinite() could possibly be faster but I can't find an implementation on my system. I'm wondering how the official Win32 EXE are getting compiled and if different distributions of MS Visual C++ librairies have some effect on this (probably), so don't take the above patch as taken. In any case, source code from Inkscape 0.42 doesn't work here so it should be worth discussing/fixing it. Thank you all, Inkscape is excellent piece of software. Omar Cornut

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape for windows and extension dependencies
by Adib Taraben 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Ted Gould schrieb: > On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 08:17 +0200, Adib Taraben wrote: > >>This problem is about the inkscape\share\extensions\eps_input.inx file. >> >>it looks for a "gs" in your path: >> <dependency type="executable">gs</dependency> >> >>In order to have this done you need to have ghostscript in your PATH. >>add "C:\program files\gs\gs8.51\bin" to PATH >>and rename gs into gswin32c.exe in the inx file > > > Oh, cool. So how do we want to handle this in the future? Have > two .inx files, one for windows and one for everyone else? Do the > windows packagers have any ideas? > > --Ted Does somebody knows how that works for Mac ? How are extension dependencies handled in other (multiplatform)applications (ai/gimp/firefox)? Maybe we add a special windows option "path to application" that contains the full path+application name for that like "C:\Program Files\gs\gs8.51\gswin32c.exe". Also thinkable is a menu like in firefox to edit settings for the different extensions. Any input is welcome, Adib. ---

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Inkscape in Top Ten on SourceForge
by Bryce Harrington 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Hey all, I just noticed, for the first time ever we've gotten into the top ten list of most active projects on SourceForge. Inkscape is #6. :-) http://sourceforge.net/top/mostactive.php?type=week Our percentile rank is 99.996. :-) Bryce

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Update of win32 libs
by Bob Jamison 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

While looking at the buglist, I noticed more than one mention of a missing symbol in pango.dll. This can happen if Gtk or Pangomm do not find a symbol they need. So I checked the site, and there is a new pango win32 bugfix build, and a Gtkmm bugfix release that includes, among other things, the TreeViewColumn export fix. So I assembled these two into the libs, which are here: http://inkscape.org/win32/gtk26-050729.7z If you are a win32 builder, let me know how they work. I -hope- that this takes care of the missing symbol problem. I know that there are 3 missing symbols from atk.dll, but we will likely not encounter those. Little problems like these are "upstream," and we can only report them. It would be wonderful if we could build the whole dependency tree with Mingw from source all the way up to Gtkmm and libxslt, so that we could help find these problems and lend assistance in fixing them. Maybe we can talk with the Gtk/Gtkmm guys and see about doing just that. Bob

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Anyone live near Enschede, Netherlands?
by Jon Phillips 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Hello, I am not able to attend a svgopen.org in Enschede, yet have a paper, Introduction to the Open Clip Art Library and am scheduled to present this in Enschede as part of svgopen.org for 2005. Would anyone be willing to present the project on my behalf? I have the slides, paper, and talk all prepared, and it would just be a matter of schmoozing and talking with participants. If I can't find someone to do this, then I will have to remove the presentation and maybe paper from the conference...which I really don't want to do. Please contact me if you would like to attend and present Inkscape and the Open Clip Art Library at this conference. Thanks! Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: rejon@...896... IRC: rejon@...897... Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org)

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[matthew.squires@...854...: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Google Summer of Code updates needed]
by Bryce Harrington 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Thanks for the status update Mark, I hope we'll be able to see your dxf conversion code before too long. A few people have had questions regarding implementation approach that this will help address. Good luck, Bryce ----- Forwarded message from Matt Squires <matthew.squires@...854...> ----- > Hi all! > > One of the key, oft-proven principles of Open Source development is > "Release Early, Release Often". This is important because it makes it > easier for other people to help you. > > Michael, David, Greg, and Matthew, can each of you report in on where > you are in your work, how we can help you, and what you might be able to > add to CVS within the next week or so? > > (Also, if you have any questions about getting access to or using CVS, > please just ask and we'll get you set up.) > > Thanks, > Bryce > Hi, I was making good progress and then the group that funds my PhD research said they would take away funding unless we demonstrate some specific details. Needless to say my evenings are now spent in the lab instead of coding. I was importing most common elements common to dxf and svg, and was starting work on elements that were not common. The deadline is Aug 10th for the funding, so after then I hope to hit SOC hard after the 10th and finish it up. As far as exporting from SVG to DXF, there is some coding but as I understand the finer points of the two formats there is not much more than parsing the data and then saving to a file. I will try to make some time to release some code that can be tested for the import. However don't hold your breath... Matt ----- End forwarded message -----

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[dneale@...936...: Inkscape]
by Bryce Harrington 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Hi Douglas, Thanks for the info, I'm passing it along to the list. One of the differences between Inkscape and commercial applications like Quark and Adobe Illustrator is that many of our extensions come from external contributors, and thus there can be some implementational variability from one to the next. For instance, we allow them to be written in a variety of different scripting languages. This is a strength from the standpoint of allowing us to incorporate a lot of creative new features, but of course also has the weakness that we cannot enforce the same level of standardization that commercial development companies can. However, we have recognized that we definitely need to work in improving the way extensions work, and are hoping to focus on making them better and easier to add in over the next several months, so your input here is quite relevant, thanks! Bryce ----- Forwarded message from Douglas Neale <dneale@...936...> ----- Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:32:45 +0100 From: Douglas Neale <dneale@...936...> To: bryce@...1... Subject: Inkscape Hi Bryce, As there isn't a 'suggestions' link on the site and you are top of the 'hero' list, you are getting this email. First of all, congratulations on what seems to be an awesome product. I picked up a reference to it this morning on the Adobe forum posting and immediately downloaded it and checked it out under XP. Will do the Mac OSX check tomorrow. I have a small suggestion for you to pass on (or ignore if you wish) which relates to the discussion on extension architecture. Firstly, let me explain that I write Quark Xtensions and that Quark provide a fairly robust procedure when starting up so that Xtensions are handled properly. >From the perspective of the Xtension code you first try to login with a unique code (normally the developer ID+ a fourth letter) and if you get back an error code you shut down the Xtension, after displaying an optional error message quoting the error code received. >From the perspective of the user, there is a Xtension Manager item on the Utilities Menu which lists all Xtensions, loaded or not, which can be individually 'examined' to show some detail of each. Each Xtension is written in C and compiled as a DLL and is just dropped into the Xtension folder alongside all its fellow Xtensions. Any other installation requirements do not concern Quark and can be handled any way you choose. Quark supply a header file and a library file of all their internal functions which are visible to the Xtension developer. Needless to say, there are several thousand functions in that library. Adobe do an almost identical thing, except that their Plugins are written in C++. I am not advocating that you adopt the Quark/Adobe solution in toto, I am just pointing out that the management of plugins is important and can thus influence the choice of architecture. The clashing of mutually incompatible plugins trying to use the same resources can be a real pain. Regards, Douglas Neale ----- End forwarded message -----

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Getting involved
by Tarjei Knapstad 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

> > Bryce, are you going to update the roadmap? > Yes. It would be nice if someone could go through and mark all the > completed stuff done, and/or delete tasks that are no longer needed. > > I"m also hoping to continue working on the test system and continuing > the gtkmm work on SPView over the next few months. I"m also playing > with Cairo a bit, but only experimentally. Hi! I've had an eye on Inkscape for some time now as an interesting project that I might want to get involved in. As I've started to get some more time on my hands lately, I guess now might be a good time to jump in :) I've got about 6 years of C++ inexperience (the last 4 professionally) and I've done quite a bit of UI code (gtkmm in the beginning, but Qt for the past 4 years). I've got some comments/questions first though, related to the quoted text above: - An updated roadmap/tasklist would be very nice, looking forward to that. - I'd be interested in helping out with the Gtkmm work, so I'm curious about the state of affairs in that department. Does the current gtkmm stuff live in a separate branch in CVS? I've done some gtkmm/libsigc++ code in the past (will have to read up on the API's again :)). I'll read through the Rearchitecture discussion in the Wiki later tonight to try to get a better understanding of where you're headed (are these documents fairly up to date btw?). - Cairo is something else I'm interested in, but I'm guessing this is a bit further down the road? - It would be nice to have faster rendering of the documents under windows (I think I read a bug report on this). Is there any interest in profiling and optimising the current code, or is the move to Cairo as a vector drawing backend meant to take care of this so that it would just be a waste of time? In any case, I'll start out with familiarising myself with the current codebase first. If any of you current developers have any small/minor tasks I could get my feet wet in that would be great (speaking of which: is the InkscapeJanitors page in the Wiki still valid?) Cheers, -- Tarjei Knapstad

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svgslice: guide vs. rect methods?
by Lee Braiden 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

The previous version I did of svgslice allowed slicing by drawing rectangular areas to slice, AND slicing by the use of guides. The guides are quite inflexible, though, and and became largely obsolete when the rectangle-based method was done. Rectangles allow overlapping areas, and specifying things like the slice name in the rectangle's properties. Eventually, it could allow things like setting the output format for that slice, and its compression level, etc. Guides *are* a bit faster for simple stuff like just slicing an image into two halves. But I'm a little concerned about the confusion for users of having two separate methods, etc. Would anyone miss the guide-based method if I left it out and focused on the more flexible method? As long as you can snap rectangles to a grid, it shouldn't be too different. -- Lee Braiden http://www.DigitalUnleashed.com

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EPS import [was : Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape for windows]
by Alexandre Prokoudine 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

On 7/29/05, Ted Gould <ted@...11...> wrote: > EPS is kinda a hack, you'll need ghostscript, pstoedit and sketch to be > able to get the EPS import working. Btw, I don't understand why people think that it's a good idea to borrow pdf exporting code from Scribus and do not mention very nice EPS importing code in the same Scribus ;) Alexandre

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dependency graphs in doc/ proposal
by Ralf Stephan 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Hello, I have placed a section about code modules at the bottom of http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DeveloperManual containing links to ten dependency graphs which are IMHO quite interesting when mutually compared. If you agree they should be in the distribution doc/ directory, please speak up, and I'll commit them. ralf

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Re: [Inkscape-user] stroke stroking stroke
by unknown＠example.com 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

Quoting bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>: > Argh. I fixed that bug yesterday in CVS. Sorry it was my mistake. Should we wait a week or so (in case any other issues show up) and do a paper bag release (0.42.1) which patches them? -mental

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request cvs access
by Adib Taraben 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

Bryce, I would like to have cvs access in order to quickly tweak something on the win32 installer. My sf ID is theadib Thanks, Adib.

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