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[Fwd: [Clipart] Re: svg shell extension]
by Jon Phillips 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Hi Inkscapers, There is a developer attempting to build a WIN32 Shell Extension to render SVG file thumbnails in winxp. If anyone has any experience, please join this discussion on the open clip art library list, or copy him and the list if you all know anything about these topics. I think it is a very valuable addition. I thought it would be quickly possible to use inkscape to generate extensions, however, maybe not the best long term solution. Jon -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Clipart] Re: svg shell extension Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:01 +0000 From: Andy Burns <openclipart@...708...> To: clipart@...626... References: <20050209113032.DAA2E9E941@...709...> >>I might be tempted to have a go at that [svg shell extension] > > Man, that would rock big time!!! OK, I didn't get much (read any) time during the week to start at this, but now I've got VC++ set up and I've created a skeletal shell extension, which doesn't do anything .svg specific yet ... Anyone have any suggestion what library/api to use to render SVG for the thumbnails, Jon suggested inkscape, but I don't think it exposes any API, correct me if I've overlooked something. I've had a look at libsrvg which looks suitable, has anyone used it on win32? Any others to consider? Thanks. _______________________________________________ clipart mailing list clipart@...626... http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

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one last test - ignore
by Bryce Harrington 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

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testing - please ignore
by Bryce Harrington 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Testing fix to mail glitch

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testing - ignore
by Bryce Harrington 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

testing mail glitch

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SPDocument conversion
by MenTaLguY 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Just a quick heads-up that I've converted SPDocument to a real C++ class -- that is, rather than being allocated and initialized using GObject, the normal C++ facilities are used (in this case the class is also now managed by the garbage collector). I had expected this to break some things, but with testing it looks like the code that had depended on deterministic freeing that I had been worried about has been cleaned up. I've gone ahead and comitted, but let me know if anything broke that I couldn't find... I do still need to convert the various document functions into member functions, and make SPDocument an abstract interface. Probably it will get renamed to Inkscape::Document too. -mental

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Inkscape::Application architecture presentation
by Bryce Harrington 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Hi all, This morning, Jizzbug noted that in inkscape_gtkmm we hadn't really gotten the Inkscape::Application object structured for handling multiple windows. Looking at the existing inkscape codebase, though, it looks like we've kind of outgrown the basic architecture, as we've added cmdline, inkview, etc. capabilities. I've collected some thoughts on how we could reuse this basic architecture but structure it with a bit more flexibility. I've done this as a set of SVG presentation slides. They're in CVS in inkscape/doc/NewAppArchitecture/. View them via `inkview *svg`. Also, I've temporarily posted it here: http://inkscape.org/doc/NewAppArchitecture.tgz Bryce

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command line export broken
by bulia byak 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

Command line export is broken again due to its attempting to open a dialog ("extensions not found"). Ted, Kees, and anyone else, could you please look into it: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1121499&group_id=9… Strangely, it works when I run it from the compile dir, but crashes when I run it from the install dir (see my comment there).

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win32 compiles
by Kees Cook 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

So, I changed Makefile.mingw.common to be created by "configure". This may cause some confusion for others trying to build from CVS. I set up the "make dist" to include the built file, so building win32 from a tarball should work easily. Also, JonCruz, I saw on the channel you said you didn't have win32 compiling set up, and weren't sure about one of your checkins. Here's the results! :) inkscape.cpp: In function `gchar* profile_path(const char*)': inkscape.cpp:1322: error: 'struct IMalloc' has no member named 'lpVtbl' inkscape.cpp:1323: error: 'struct IMalloc' has no member named 'lpVtbl' Let me know, I can test any changes. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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Inkscape at the world gathering of the SVG community ?
by Ruud Steltenpool 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

Hello Inkscape developers, I hereby invite you to SVG Open 2005, the international conference on Scalable Vector Graphics. At this event the SVG community from around the world gathers: the W3C SVG WorkGroup and people from very diverse backgrounds putting SVG to use, including implementors from most popular viewers and editors. Obviously, as Inkscape is deservingly becoming more and more popular, it would be very interesting for the SVG community if Inkscape would take part. Preferably also actively taking part through presenting a paper, organizing a panel discussion or teaching a course or a workshop. For this proposals, being just short abstracts, should be in before March 1st. I believe SVG Open will also bring a lot of useful input for Inkscape, both in getting to know about the latest SVG developments, useful ideas and other feedback, as also in growing its user, promotion and developer workforce. And of course getting to know about the latest SVG All information is at http://www.svgopen.org/2005 Hope to welcome you in August, Regards, Ruud Steltenpool organisation SVG Open 2005

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removing trivial inline functions
by Robert Crosbie 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

I submitted some patches that remove some of the trivial inline functions as stated in the InkscapeJanitors wiki section. For some reason one was submitted multiple times. It seems that after submitting a patch, if I refresh the screen, it submits the patch again. :/ Anyway, I hope I'm on the right track with the patches. I do have or had cvs access, but I've been away from c++ for a long time and figured I'd go the patch route so that a second set of eyes on the patches. inkscape compiled and seemed to work properly for me after the changes. cheers, -- Rob. http://woodpendant.com

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NEW: move to layer commands
by bulia byak 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

New layer commands added to CVS: "Move selection to layer above" (Shift+PgUp) and "Move selection to layer below" (Shift+PgDn) will move the selection into the layer above or below the current layer (and make that layer current). P.S. Bryce or someone with an access to the wiki, please lock this page: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ReleaseNotes041

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FW: [Inkscape-devel] icons...
by Joshua A. Andler 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 08:05:22PM +0100, David Christian Berg wrote: > > Hey guys, for all of you who care: > > There is a more recent version of my icon theme available at > > home.tu-clausthal.de/~dcb/icons.svg > > > > It's not complete, but I've made quite some changes, meaning added a few > > new icons. > > Cool! > > Say, would anyone be willing to write up a quick webpage for the > inkscape site kind of like the "screenshots" area, but for icon themes? > It could include a "how to" on where to put them, and then links to > various known icon themes. > > -- > Kees Cook @outflux.net Great idea! I might be able to do it tonight, but if not, I believe I'm free tomorrow morning to do it. -Josh

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icons...
by David Christian Berg 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

Hey guys, for all of you who care: There is a more recent version of my icon theme available at home.tu-clausthal.de/~dcb/icons.svg It's not complete, but I've made quite some changes, meaning added a few new icons. Enjoy! David

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Re: "pixel preview" mode
by Jakub Steiner 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 21:11 -0800, Jon A. Cruz wrote: > I've tossed up a screenshot mockup of what I'm thinking a "pixel > preview" mode could look like > > http://www.joncruz.org/pixel_preview.png > > Ignore the topmost part, there are some slight issues with the bounding > box detection, so the top of the point got chopped. (BTW, I used the > "Make a Bitmap Copy" to get this simulation.) > > Anyway, I was thinking it would be nice to have a mode where a the > preview would show a version of the image at some set DPI, and as you > zoom in the 'pixels' would enlarge as well. This could help when doing > small work (like with icons) and with targeting different profiles, such > as SVG Basic and SVG Tiny. We could even tie it in to some 'skin' for > specific SVG Tiny devices, where switching to a different skin would > also change the preview DPI to a proper value. > > Any thoughts? Comments? I think I'd prefer to either have the objects drawn at the display resolution or target document resolution, not both. As pixel preview would get a shortcut to toggle, it would be easy to switch between the two. Having both at the same time would only create visual noise. As for Bulia's comment. We certainly don't need it because Illustrator has it. Let me explain its usefulness. While having a "true" 1:1 view is what appears to be enough to be able pixel-position objects, not everyone has eyes of a teenager and an LCD ;) It is way easier to pixel position artwork when you see the pixels as huge blocks, instead of staring at the 16x16 artwork at 1:1 at 5cm distance from the display ;) Oh and btw I noticed the SDI makes it really hard to have a second view of the artwork since it has all the menus, all the toolbars, and need to be quite a large window. cheers -- Jakub Steiner <jimmac@...659...> Novell, Inc.

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Inkscape 0.41 Release PR and Packaging Plans
by Bryce Harrington 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

Hi all, With the 0.41 Hard Freeze finished and the release package posted, it's time to move into the final phase of the release, where we post packages and submit PR to blogs and the news media. Kees has been kind enough to take responsibility for producing the Windows and static rpm packages. Since these are often the most frequent downloads, I'm comfortable doing the announcement sooner than usual, however I'd like to provide packagers at least a full day to create platform specific packages. If you are comfortable creating packages, you can help us greatly right now by downloading the release and creating a package for your system. For example, we need packages for old and new versions of SuSE, Fedora Core, Mandrake, Slackware, and (especially) Mac OSX. Information on creating packages is available here: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CreatingDists If you have access to upload to the file tracker directly, please do so. If not, feel free to send me or another admin the package and we'll ensure it gets posted. For PR, I have written the following announcement. Please review/revise. It will be released tomorrow night my time: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ReleaseAnnounce041 Bryce

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text properties
by Jakub Steiner 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

I wonder what's the deal with having an apply button on the text property window? It behaves like an instant apply dialog, yet it requires the eeky button click. cheers -- Jakub Steiner <jimmac@...659...> Novell, Inc.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Selection in text editing
by Aewyn 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Thank you answers, meanwhile I found a workaround :) My text edit dialog always open, attached to the main window, so it shows the current text always. It's okay, now. But (a new request follows ;) the dialogs disappear when the main window lose the focus. Now, inkscape gets a whole virtual desktop, so it is not a problem, but it would be very kind to get an option to off this feature (in future, not too important one). Thanks, Aewyn

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forward declaration header files
by MenTaLguY 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Ok, it looks like we need to have a chat about these "*forward.h" files I see cropping up that keep killing my rebuild times when I try to do class-level refactoring. I realize the intent was to reduce #include dependencies, but they actually make the problem far worse: since a whole lot of unrelated stuff is grouped in one file that everyone includes, adding or removing a class requires a rebuild of fricking EVERYTHING... And, really, do you need a header file for this? -- class Foo; class Blah; No, you do not. It's wasteful. All it asserts is that the classes (or structs) Foo and Blah definitely exist somewhere, to keep the compiler happy and avoid ambiguity. You can perfectly well put that directly in files where Foo or Blah are used opaquely without losing any maintainability (if either class gets removed or renamed, you'll need to edit those files regardless). Best thing is the files that only use Foo and not Blah won't need to be recompiled if Blah is removed or renamed anymore... So, please, STOP USING THESE BLOODY FORWARD HEADERS. I am removing xml/xml-forward.h today. I don't want to see any new ones cropping up. -mental

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Install problems and then bigger ones
by Jim Clark 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Oh my! Well, I'm between a successful make (after finally getting configure to work) and the make install when I read this. I have installed all these rpms (I just didn't scroll far enough to see them before) and now what? Should I continue with the install? Should I remove the rpms? Next step?????? This looks like something that might be documented a bit better on the web site.... Thanks so much for the info...I have never seen such comprehensive and impressive responses on a list before. My mail box (and yours as well) is full of thoughtful replies. Here's the rpms I installed: glibmm-2.4.4-1.fc2.i386.rpm glibmm-devel-2.4.4-1.fc2.i386.rpm gtkmm-2.4.6-1.fc2.i386.rpm gtkmm-devel-2.4.6-1.fc2.i386.rpm libgc-6.4-0.i386.rpm libgc-debuginfo-6.4-0.i386.rpm libgc-devel-6.4-0.i386.rpm libsigc++-2.0.6-1.i386.rpm libsigc++-devel-2.0.6-1.i386.rpm libsigc++-examples-2.0.6-1.i386.rpm? Thanks- Jim Clark

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Says this is where to go for compile problems
by Jim Clark 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Howdy...just heard about Inkscape this AM. I am not a developer, would be a casual user at best, but would like to take a gander. User, repeat USER, of Fedora Core 3. Not a coder, programmer (or even artist for that matter!) However I'm having problems compiling. When I ran configure it told me configure: error: libgc (the Boehm Conservative Collector) 6.4+, is needed to compile Inkscape -- http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Hans_Boehm/gc Fair enough. I got it (and thanks for including the URL) and it compiled fine without me changing or doing anything--just accepted its defaults and whiz, in it went. OK, back to Inkscape and configure croaks at the same place. Same error message. What do I need to do to have Inkscape know this is in, or how do I need to compile, install, whatever to communicate that? Thanks- Jim Clark

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shortcuts in localized keyboard layouts
by bulia byak 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

I have just committed a fix for bug 962839 where keyboard shortcuts didn't work if you switch keyboard to a non-English layout. The fix seems to work at least for Cyrillic keyboard on Linux. Please test and report your results.

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svg and svgz io
by Jon A. Cruz 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

I got my changes committed. It now uses xmlReadIO instead of xmlParseFile, so it should handle 'tricky' AKA non-ASCII/ANSI filenames on Windows. Additionally, it now has an extension for .svgz and the saving and loading inside of repr-io.cpp handles the compression using zlib ourselves, so it should work nice on Linux *and* on Windows with not tricky futzing. To do this, I started using the stuff in Inkscape::IO / src/io/* Take a peek and see if this stuff works for you guys also.

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] perspective / free-transform code in inkscape from gimp
by Joshua A. Andler 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Quoting Mental: > Quoting Andy Fitzsimon <andyfitz@...400...>: > > > preserving the number of nodes is a pretty good thing in my > > opinion . > > I didnt know that could be done. > > With bezier curves, it's the easiest way to do it, but you will get > some slight perspectrive distortions. Generally you will need to > add/remove control points to get the best-looking results. On top of being the easiest way to do it, wouldn't it make implementing animation a little easier? (mainly I'm not sure how well you could store adding and removing nodes within an animation timeline... and it seems like if the number remains the same it would be easier to work with) -Josh

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please read the PR and edit/update
by Jon Phillips 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Okay...I took my 2nd round attack on the PR. I'm trying to make them more like professional PR, in the 3rd person, with standard form, and copying from Apple and others. Please have a look over for accuracy and style: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ReleaseAnnounce041 Hopefully then we will send it out tomorrow. Thanks, Jon -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

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perspective / free-transform code in inkscape from gimp
by Andy Fitzsimon 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

G'day guys, Whenever I have needed to transform a vector Illustration along a perspective I've had to go through the horrible process of: - importing my svg as paths into gimp - exporting and opening in inkscape - re-drawing all colours, stroke preferences and gradients to suit the new angle. with the transformed rasterisation from gimp as a reference.. free-transform is a feature that I and no doubt many more artists are desperate for within inkscape. Without it creates a limit to the range of artwork produceable from within inkscape While i was visiting PJRM & NJH in melbourne I discussed this process and how it would be sweet if we could grab some of the gimp code to allow inkscape to do a perspective transform. PJRM made an awesome modification a while ago where after transforming a group in some way, all ungrouped objects are no longer stuck with a transform matrix applied to each object. The location of all things are now converted into each shape's coords. So that now saves bloat and to my understanding also helped solve one massive problem with inkscape files being rendered in rsvg and transform matricies not being taken into account. Below is a convo I had with neo on #gimp on irc.gimp.org. when in melb NJH was eventually convinced that the method for perspective-transforming vectors could be borrowed from the gimps transform method. neo warned me that their transform method is completley different to the method described in the svg spec which is probably what inkscape uses..... ------------ Convo --------------------- AndyFitz: hi is anyone here familiar with the freetransform code in gimp ( and how it relates to the paths code ) neo_: AndyFitz: what do you want to know? neo_ is now known as neo AndyFitz: neo, I'm wondering if its easy to extract the coord translation code for use inkscape ( currently anything I do that requires a perspective transform is done with gimp and imported svg paths then exported to paths again. ) mitch: AndyFitz: how do you do rotation and stuff? neo: AndyFitz: huh? neo: AndyFitz: inkscape got to have this code mitch: AndyFitz: it's all the same in gimp, just matrix transforms. i'm pretty sure it's the same in inkscape neo: AndyFitz: it's a prerequisite for implementing an SVG parser AndyFitz: mitch, I rotate the object in inkscape. neo: no, you apply a transform matrix AndyFitz: yes you can apply a transform matrix within inkscape but it doesnt yet support free transforms . mitch: huh? neo: it is an SVG editor mitch: you can apply a matrix, so you can do any transform AndyFitz: in inkscape you can rotate skew stretch etc neo: you can do exactly what's defined here: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/coords.html neo: you can't do all the things the perspective tool can do AndyFitz: not all of the svg spec is supported by inkscape yet neo: it does non-affine transformations neo: well, transforms are the most basic thing neo: that's what you implement first neo: but, as I said, you can't describe all possible transformations in SVG yakk is now known as yakkGone AndyFitz: yeah I'm only aware that gimp has code to apply the transform correctly.. right now the transform matrix is only partly implemented by inkscape AndyFitz: theres no on-canvas way of doing this .. infact inkscape won't render svg with the appropriate transform matrix neo: you don't seem to understand neo: gimp does a projective transform neo: that's a non-affine transformation neo: which is not defined in SVG neo: have a look at the transform matrices in SVG, the last row is always 0 0 1 neo: the transform matrix in inkscape is fully implemented, to the extent defined by SVG transformations AndyFitz: sorry, yes you are right. I'm looking for a way to appropriately transform plain vectors not apply a transformation matrix Tommer [~tomr@...702...] entered the room. neo: where's the difference ? neo: to transform a vector, you apply a transform matrix on it neo: or rather, you apply it on each point neo: transforming a path in gimp boils down to calling gimp_matrix3_transform_point() on each of the anchor points neo: whatever transformation you are doing, doesn't matter neo: even if a flip is implemented that way neo: s/if// AndyFitz: so are the svg spec transform matrix features different to those in the gimp transform matrix ? AndyFitz: damn I gotta go AndyFitz: thanks for the great info neo & mitch neo: AndyFitz: yes, and I already explained you how they are different AndyFitz: neo yes and I'm totally clueless as to what needs to be done with inkscapes code. thanks for letting me know about gimp_matrix3_transform_point() AndyFitz: will discuss this on inkscape mailing list and see where we should go AndyFitz: thanks again, seeya neo: you can't do what you want to do neo: you wouldn't be able to save the result to SVG AndyFitz: hopefully we can with a bit of abstraction. we don't have to work straight to svg only make sure the end result is valid svg. while applying the transform it could be doing anything ... well I hope but its good to have a reality check neo: AndyFitz: I suggest you read a little about affine and non-affine transformations

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