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clarification: OpenDocument and SVG
by MenTaLguY 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

Jon, to restate the issue more concisely: The OpenDocument specification, which is under consideration as an EU standard[1], introduces a number of XML attributes into the SVG namespace that are not part of the SVG standard. For example, there is a non-standard svg:width attribute that is applied to non-SVG elements to specify width[2]. My concern is that if OpenDocument gets standardized by the EU in its current state, that would set a really ugly precedent for putting non-standard extensions in W3C-specified namespaces. I have gone ahead and CCed the SVG WG staff contact and the OpenDocument Committee secretary. Hopefully I've not wasted anyone's time, and they can talk to the appropriate people in each group and put the issue to rest quickly. -mental --- [1] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050130002908154 [2] The most recent draft of the OpenDocument specification (Dec 2004) I could find is available here: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/10765/office-spec-1.0-cd-2 Section 9.2 of the specification, which starts on page 275, is most relevent. Here is an example from section 9.2.1: <draw:rect svg:x="2cm" svg:y="3cm" svg:width="10cm" svg:height="20cm" svg:transform="rotate(45)" draw:style-name="object-with-shadow"> (in this example the 'draw' prefix is bound to the urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns:drawing:1.0 namespace, and 'svg' to the http://www.w3.org/2000/svg namespace)

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Spammers have found wiki
by Khiraly 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

Hi! I think this page does not have the right content: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Inkscape However I dont know what would be the best solution for this. Maybe registration for the wiki? Best regards, -- Khiraly <khiraly123@...240...>

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wiki spam
by bulia byak 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

It looks like 82.194.62.17 and 193.188.105.16 automatically spam our wiki, they spammed pages minutes after my reversals. I reverted them several times, but then quit, so they're likely spammed again now. Maybe it's time to change the password, make it random for each page, and less easy to extract from the text. And in any case, please ban those IPs.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] wiki spam
by Bryce Harrington 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Alan Horkan wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:53:31 -0800 (PST) > > From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> > > To: mental@...3... > > Cc: bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>, inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] wiki spam > > > > All of the suggestions in this thread are viable options, although some > > will require more work than others: > > > > * Changing the password: Trivial, easy to do > > * Blocking more IP's: Trivial, easy to do > > * Adding basic auth login: Requires sysadmin work + ongoing account admin > > I assumed it was already built in to the wiki and all that would be > required would be to turn it on. Well, it does have a sitewide password that can be turned on for editing, but it'd be the same password for everyone. But that's essentially what we've got currently so really the next step would be to turn on either basic auth (implemented in Apache) or a more advanced auth mechanism (implemented ourselves). Note that anything we do is going to have have tradeoffs: Either more implementation work, more administrative work, more work on the part of the user, or a combination. For example, like you point out, image-based passwords won't require admin work, but will require some implementation work, and increases the burden on users (esp. those with vision imparements). Having two different systems (image passwords or authentication), gives the users options but at the cost of double implementation work, and doubling our risk (spammers only need to find a way to attack one of the systems). There is one other programmatic defense that I know about for wiki's. For many bots, there is an inhumanly short period of time between when they click edit and when they submit the page, so apparently if you make the wiki keep track of this time and it's less than a few seconds, then you can make a fairly safe assumption that it's a bot. Our wiki doesn't have this feature, but I would bet that a good perl hacker could figure out a good way to implement it. The advantage of this system over others is that while it wouldn't stop all spamming, at least it would not impose additional administrative or user effort and it might cut down some of the spammers. I bet it would be especially effective at the spammer Bulia was fighting today. Anyone feel like giving it a shot? Bryce

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bug 1079194
by Jon A. Cruz 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

Given that bug 1079194 is a bit ambiguous, and that there's ongoing effort for other bugs that may have alread fixed this, I'm thinking of bumping it over to pending. Sound reasonable?

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Updated spanish translation
by Lucas Vieites 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

On sáb, 2005-01-29 at 13:14 -0800, Arpad Biro wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sending the current CVS version attached. > > After receiving your latest translation, I compared it (cmp) to that > file, and they matched byte by byte. > > You were right, my bad. I had translated the file directly in my local cvs tree and then I sent you the one in my working directory. I found out a while ago when I did a cvs update and the es.po file gave an error. Now I'm attaching an fresh update from today's cvs. Cheers, -- Lucas Vieites Fariña Dept. Desarrollo <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática <http://www.asixinformatica.com/> Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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Multiple resolutions in a single .SVG
by Jon A. Cruz 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] default shape prefs?
by unknown＠example.com 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

Quoting bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:44:51 -0500, mental@...3... <mental@...3...> > wrote: > > Quoting bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>: > > > > > Well, though the function is mine, I didn't write this comparison, but > > > copied it from somewhere. If you fix it I'll copy the correct idiom > > > next time :) > > > > The correct idiom, provided I had done things properly on my end, would be > no > > cast at all. The compiler ought to be aware that SPCSSRepr ISA SPRepr. > > does not work: > > desktop-style.cpp: In function `SPCSSAttr* > sp_desktop_get_style(SPDesktop*, bool)': > desktop-style.cpp:166: error: invalid use of undefined type `struct > SPCSSAttr' > xml/xml-forward.h:6: error: forward declaration of `struct SPCSSAttr' Well, you would still need to make a couple minor cleanups. The forward declaration in xml/xml-forward.h is (I think) unnecessary (actually the whole file is unnecessary and a bad idea, but I will rant about that separately). I think I'm going to go ahead and redo the Repr CSS stuff the right way tonight though. -mental

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Open Clip Art Library Release 0.10 Announcement
by Jon Phillips 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

*PLEASE FORWARD* Open Clip Art Library Release 0.10 Announcement February 1, 2005 UTC — Release 0.10 of the Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) is now available for download on-line as an individual package: http://www.openclipart.org/downloads/0.10/openclipart-0.10.tar.gz http://www.openclipart.org/downloads/0.10/openclipart-0.10.zip This new package is 23MB and contains 3207 unique user-submitted files in several categories such as geography, symbols, holidays and people. You may also visit the Open Clip Art Library site at www.openclipart.org to browse or search all of the clip art imagery in our database and download files individually. What is significant in this release: 1) Our largest section of clip art, the flags collection, has been moved to the signs & symbols category. 2) We've also collected St. Valentine's Day clip art images for the upcoming holiday. 3) Improvements to our tools and processes continue behind the scenes. For the month of February, we are also trying to collect images related to "Black History Month." Please submit SVG images related to history of not only African-Americans, but of black history around the world. Please visit www.openclipart.org, contribute your clip art images, and download others for your own uses.

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printing comments
by Kees Cook 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

Does anyone object to having comments added to postscript print-outs? For example: ... %%Page: 1 1 90 rotate 0.80000000 -0.80000000 scale gsave [1.0000000 0.0000000 0.0000000 1.0000000 0.0000000 0.0000000] concat %! begin '#path4209' 0.0000000 0.0000000 0.0000000 setrgbcolor ... 372.04724 70.866136 lineto stroke %! end '#path4209' %! begin '#path4210' 0.0000000 0.0000000 0.0000000 setrgbcolor 0.68750000 setlinewidth I'm doing it right how to help me track down a printing bug, but I thought it might be fun to leave turned on? -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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font crashes
by Kees Cook 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

I solved the Pango font crashes related to Font descriptions not having a family name specified (the "1979" font bug). I'm not sure what other bugs it'll fix, but I made a testcase for Pango and opened a bug for them. I set up code to work around it, or at least avoid the crash in a worse-case situation. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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Fedora core 2 RPMs for inkscape dependencies
by Ashwin Bharambe 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Hi all, I made FC2 RPMs for all the inkscape dependencies -- the reason is that I personally was quite annoyed when I first started toying around inkscape code because I needed to compile all these dependencies... these _should_ work on FC3 as well... URL: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ashu/rpms/ Anyway, I hope these might be useful for _somebody_ , at least... -Ashwin PS: If they could be hosted on inkscape.org somewhere, that would be great (since i am perennially short of disk space on the webserver)

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String 'sanitizer' routine
by Jon A. Cruz 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

I just dumped a simple routine into io/sys.h to return a 'safe' version of any given string. Inkscape::IO::sanitizeString The most immediate need is for those places where we might be displaying an error for a potentially bad path (such as when we're unable to create a file or directory). It will return a copy of the string as-is if it's valid UTF-8, otherwise it will walk through and escape all non-ASCII bytes. That should at least stop Pango crashes from hiding true problems or from turning warnings into crashes, like bug 1107305. Soo...... I'm hitting bed now, but anyone can feel free to try it out in a few critical places.

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Beatwave Mobile Designer + Profiles
by Jon Phillips 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

I found this app today while researching new places to send PR for releases. It implements profiles for different versions of SVG and is up to spec on animation, effects, object library, palettes, etc. I took screenshots of the app so that we can learn from their implementation. While I think that Inkscape is a great drawing tool, this one has SVG Basic, Tiny, and other version of SVG as profiles that are reconfigurable. You can even make your own. Also, the animation tools are very far out and usable. Sorry to drop this right while we are gearing up for release, but I think it is useful to look at to be inspired on other tasks we have to accomplish in the future. * http://rejon.org/projects/inkscape/reference/beatwave/ * http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Beatware_Mobile_Designer What I really would like to figure out is how to implement profile support, which is support for the switch statement in SVG and then try to go for the lowest hanging fruit of SVG, SVG Tiny compliance...especially since most all of modern phones now have SVG Tiny on them! * http://svg.org/special/svg_phones Jon -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Gradient Editor design and Macromedia Freehand
by Bryce Harrington 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, joz mak wrote: > Hi, > > I have posted some screen shot of Freehand MX's gradient palettes. > They can be seen here: > > http://jozmak.heydo.com/wallpapers/screensavers.htm Excellent! I've gathered together everyone's comments, screenshots, and so forth onto this wiki page: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ObjectManager The next step is for someone(s) to do some creative thinking, taking all these ideas and suggestions, and generate a concept for what the *best* *possible* gradient editing system would be. Use the screenshots as inspiration, but don't feel compelled to just recreate them. I sense that for Inkscape, the gradient editing is going to be one of the most fundamental and critically important pieces of functionality, and it will be well worth investing a lot of time in it. I would love to see the gradient editor become Inkscape's "Crown Jewel". :-) Bryce

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where to submit screenshot
by Aaron Spike 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

I was playing with the multiscan tracing and last night's batch of photos. The results is more demonstrative than artistic. Where should I send a screenshot to be considered for the website? Aaron Spike

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Open SVG 2005 papers due MARCH 1
by Jon Phillips 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

If anyone is interested in participating in OpenSVG 2005, papers are due MARCH 1. I had a paper accepted to the conference and cancelled once I found out that I would have to PAY for my own entrance into the conference. Only invited speakers are allowed in for free. That is unheard of for a conference. Anyhow, if anyone lives in the Netherlands, where the conf. is hosted this year, maybe you would be into it. http://www.svgopen.org/2005/registration.html Jon -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

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about.svg
by Arpad Biro 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

Hi, In the About Inkscape 0.41 drawing, there's a text layout problem with contributors' names: Christian Schaller's name is indented by a space, while other names (at beginnings of lines) are not. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Gradient editor (Xara method)
by Khiraly 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

Hi! I've readed that everybody take Illustrator as a reference. I think Xara is more intuitive (www.xara.com). Especially I really love the gradient editor's idea. See the online demo (flash): http://www.xara.com/products/xarax/flash/fill.htm There are other demo too: http://www.xara.com/products/xarax/features.asp Best regards, -- Khiraly <khiraly123@...240...>

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questions related to translation
by Arpad Biro 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

Hi, A few questions regarding Inkscape translation: 1. "Invert black and white regions for single traces" What does a "single" trace mean? By "black and white regions", do you mean "regions that are black-and-white" or "black regions and white regions"? 2. "Brightness cutoff for black/white" Does this mean "Reduce brightness of black-and-white stuff"? -------------------------------- share/tutorials/making_markers.svg is not in share/tutorials/Makefile.am -- is this intentional? --------------------------------- Also, a few things that may need to be changed: 1. "Reset all shifts, scales, rotates, and opacities to zero" Wouldn't it be better if it said something like "opacity changes" instead of "opacities"? 2. At startup, the messages "One or more extensions failed to load. ..." and "Show dialog on startup" are always displayed in English (yes, translated in the language file). 3. The "Alternate sign" tooltips are not shown ("Tile clones" dialog). Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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loading large files
by MenTaLguY 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

I've finally had an opportunity to spend some time analyzing the problem you had loading that large SVG. Your file did eventually load, although I think it may have taken as much as half an hour to do so on my machine. In Inkscape, sibling XML nodes are currently kept in singly-linked lists, which are not an efficient data structure when dealing with large numbers of siblings (in this case, more than 87000). It is possible to use faster data structures, but they would come at the cost of using extra memory. As it was, once the document loaded my machine ran out of memory when the renderer kicked in. So, I'm not really sure what the best course of action would be. I do think we have a problem dealing with large documents in general. I am CCing the development list for their suggestions. -mental

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Bug status for 0.41 release
by Bryce Harrington 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

Here is the status on the remaining three 'Must-Fix' bugs for the release: 1107922 all drawing tools crash [mental, bulia, pjrm] I believe mental has been working on this today, but don't know the status beyond that. Mental, could you update us? 1107305 Cannot start (WIN) [nemies, bryce, joncruz] This one is a UTF-8 issue; Inkscape is trying to determine the user's profile_path based on their username, which in this user's case includes a u with an umlaut. mkdir fails when passed a u with a umlaut, which causes this bug. Jon is working on producing a function that will clean the non-UTF8-isms. 1050361 svgz opening troubles (WIN) [ishmal, simarilus, scislac] I hear that this requires some packaging changes for the Windows build. The fix appears to be known, it's just a matter of a packager with some time to implement. Bryce

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SPObject efficiency changes
by MenTaLguY 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

Since we're so close to the release I stuck with the most conservative changes, but they should still result in a measurable improvement when loading large files. I've tested and everything seems OK, but it wouldn't hurt to double-check me given my track record as of late... :/ -mental

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Bug 1107305
by Jon A. Cruz 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

Well... now that things are tracked down, it looks like something I can get a handle on. Right off the bat it's probably related to 1094203. There could be a few others of mine that this problem is a part of. Though I'm not setup to test Win32 at the moment, I'm pretty sure I can do some nice Win32 fixes and get at least this part going. Additionally, it seems that bad filenames are part of the problem. For example, in this case we're probably getting that users' home directory in Cp-1252 and feeding it to the output routines that want UTF-8. To fix this, I can knock off a quick routine to 'sanitize' the data and make it safe for output. I'm also thinking that many things might benefit from this. (Since I can't actually test, you may not want to move this bug to me, but I think I can do all the work to fix it)

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win32 compiles broken?
by Kees Cook 29 Jan '05

29 Jan '05

Well, I think I figured out how to crosscompile libgc 6.4 for the win32 compile. However, I can't seem to link the win32 version any more. I'm very confused... main.o(.text+0x3b0):main.cpp: undefined reference to `sp_repr_document_root(SPReprDoc const*)' main.o(.text+0x3e3):main.cpp: undefined reference to `sp_repr_document(SPRepr const*)' main.o(.text+0x737):main.cpp: undefined reference to `sp_repr_attr(SPRepr const*, char const*)' main.o(.text+0x750):main.cpp: undefined reference to `sp_repr_attr(SPRepr const*, char const*)' main.o(.text+0xa2a):main.cpp: undefined reference to `sp_repr_attr(SPRepr const*, char const*)' main.o(.text+0xa57):main.cpp: undefined reference to `sp_repr_attr(SPRepr const*, char const*)' main.o(.text+0xb22):main.cpp: undefined reference to `sp_repr_attr(SPRepr const*, char const*)' Is this the result hiding functions into object methods? Updating the ming file lists didn't help. (And this seems to have broken the autobuilds on the 26th?) -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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