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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: [ inkscape-Bugs-973768 ]letterspacingbroken
by bulia byak 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

>Remember that Inkscape isn't only a visual editor, it's a structural >editor too. I don't see the connection with inheritance. If we introduce a non-standard property, it needs to be at least limited and predictable. Making it inherited will give it a degree of unwelcome unpredictability while not providing any significant advantage. And besides, even if Inkscape "isn't only a visual editor", this does not apply to -inkscape-face. This is a purely visual property which results from the user _seeing_ some font and deciding that it's good. It makes little sense to set this property when editing CSS offline; for that, normal CSS properties are usually better. >IOW, -inkscape-face should take precedence if it matches the normal >CSS-specified font closely enough; otherwise it is ignored. Yes, that it what I have in mind, and ignoring -inkscape-face on mismatch is OK too if accompanied by a warning (this is going to be an exceptional situation anyway, never affecting most users). But I don't see why we must make it inherited. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Compiling Inkscape CVS on Solaris 2.8
by Colin Marquardt 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

Hi, I'm trying to compile inkscape-20040527 with gcc (GCC) 3.3.2 on a SunOS foo 5.8 Generic_108528-22 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V240 machine. I had to fix a few things: Use <inttypes.h>, not <stdint.h> in src/display/sp-canvas.h, src/livarot/DblLinked.h, src/livarot/LivarotDefs.h, src/livarot/AVL.h, src/livarot/Shape.h, src/livarot/ShapeUtils.h, src/livarot/Ligne.h (see http://www.lns.cornell.edu/public/COMP/info/autoconf/Header-Portability.html) Replace round() with rint() according to http://news.gw.com/freebsd.gnome/1237 in src/object-edit.cpp, src/spiral-context.cpp fabsf() was undeclared (I just put in "fabs()", not sure if this is correct) in src/sp-shape.cpp (see http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java/2001-01/msg00465.html). I could make a patch for these changes if wanted. Now, with the following error, I assume it happens because the Makefile is using Solaris' as instead of GNU's "gas": In file included from style.h:19, from sp-typeset-kplayout.cpp:26: sp-marker.h: In member function `SPMarker* SPMarkerReference::getObject() const ': sp-marker.h:94: warning: cast from `SPObject*' to `SPMarker*' increases required alignment of target type In file included from sp-typeset-kplayout.cpp:30: sp-use.h: In member function `SPItem* SPUseReference::getObject() const': sp-use.h:25: warning: cast from `SPObject*' to `SPItem*' increases required alignment of target type sp-typeset-kplayout.cpp: In function `void sp_typeset_rekplayout(SPTypeset*)': sp-typeset-kplayout.cpp:325: warning: cast from `GTypeInstance*' to `SPTypeset* ' increases required alignment of target type /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp//ccUeTaeq.s", line 5631: error: constant value must be between -4096 and 4095 gmake: *** [sp-typeset-kplayout.o] Error 1 (I include some of the warnings I get for virtually every file for good measure :) I have stopped here for today since I didn't find the "as" call immediately; I hope the above is helpful for portabilty. Hints about the as/gas problem are appreciated. Cheers, Colin

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select statusbar bug
by MenTaLguY 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

just a quick note that I've fixed the selection status message bug. that is all. -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] 0.39 Release?
by bulia byak 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

>How do people feel about timeframes for doing a release? I haven't yet finished all the featurework I planned for 0.39. Maybe in a week. Others I know are also in the middle of something (Karl, Sim, Mental) which would be nice to have finished. Mental's work on statusbar absolutely must be finished. So I suggest that people report to the list when they're done with features and can go into the freeze and bugfixing stage. I cannot yet. Also I'll need time to document the major new things in tutorials. This also needs time. And I want to do more redrawing cursors and icons, which is cosmetics but also important. Also we need to make testing easier for people this time. I'd suggest making nightly autobuilds for Linux too (or maybe autopackages), not only for Windows, during the ауфегку freeze so that we can get feedback from those who don't feel like compiling. And we need to announce our unofficial betas earlier and wider, to prevent things like the .1 release we had to do last time. Meanwhile the most important change, Pango, can already be tested by people. I'll now write a separate message on this. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: [ inkscape-Bugs-973768 ] letterspacingbroken
by bulia byak 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

>Something to think about is how to cope with a conflict between >-inkscape-face and the normal CSS font properties. I think -inkscape-face should have precedence. This is the best method we have for choosing the correct font, i.e. the one that the user actually set on the text previously. CSS properties are a fallback; if we can't find the exact match for -inkscape-face, we'll try to find the best approximate match from these properties (and so will do all non-Inkscape renderers). Conflicts can only happen if someone has tweaked Inkscape SVG outside of Inkscape changing the CSS properties but not -inkscape-face. In that case I think we should issue a warning but still use -inkscape-face for matching. >This is not much of an issue yet, but we will at least be forced to >think about it more when we have better CSS support (for example, what >if -inkscape-face is inherited, but different CSS properties are set >locally?) It should not be inherited I think. It's an unnecessary complication in a visual editor. If you want to apply it to many objects, just apply it to each one. >On a separate note, I think it would be worthwhile to preserve Pango >font substitution in cases where none of the user-specified alternatives >contain the desired codepoints, if we can, as well as how to deal with >alternative fonts in the UI in the first place. Codepoints are taken care of automatically now. The font we finally select (no matter by which method) and store in SVG is just the "default font" given to Pango which does layout and uses substitute fonts if the Unicode text needs them. For example right now you can create a text object with the default font, which is Vera Sans, and then switch your keyboard to Cyrillic or Arabic and type - everything will be displayed properly using substitute fonts because Vera Sans has neither Cyrillic nor Arabic in it. And in SVG, the text object is still marked up with a single font. It's really cool. Even Adobe SVG can't do that (although Batik can). _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Easy testing of Inkscape builds on Linux with Autopackage
by Bryce Harrington 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

Hi Guys, One of the cool new features for this upcoming release is something called 'autopackage', which if it works, promises to make it very easy to install Inkscape on Linux, especially if you're using an RPM-based system. But to make sure this works we need folks to test it out. It's easy to do so. Here are some screenshots so you can see what it'll look like: http://autopackage.org/gallery.html First, download this file: http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/inkscape-0.39cvs.package Next, follow the four steps on this page: http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/index.html Finally, write down anything that you find confusing or have problems with during the installation or while using the program, and put your feedback into the bug tracker for Inkscape. (See Report Bugs on the Inkscape website.) Note that each day you can re-run the .package file to update to the latest and greatest inkscape code. Thanks, Bryce

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Inkscape windows installer script?
by Alan Horkan 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

Anyone know where to find the NSIS installer script for Windows? I downloaded the source tarball but didn't find it there. I think i might be able to add to it and reorganise things, I've used NSIS before. If it is in CVS somewhere I'd very much appreciate a direct path so that I dont have to download to many other files to get at it. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] 0.39 Release?
by bulia byak 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

>done in a short enough amount of time. I have helped a bit with the >statusbar work; I completed as much as I knew to do and need input for >what to do next. Bug 945735 still stands, and this is what matters here. > > Also I'll need time to document the major new things in tutorials. This >also > > needs time. And I want to do more redrawing cursors and icons, which is > > cosmetics but also important. > >If there are people interested in / able to help with this work, would >it be something you could farm out to them? If someone comes up with something good, sure, I'll say thank you :) Otherwise I think it will just take me as much time to explain what I want to see as to actually do it. >We do have nightly autopackages posted at http://autopackage.org. If >people could use that it would kill two birds - first since then we >don't have to set up another nightly autobuild process yet, second so we >can get some additional testing of autopackage itself. I'll take the >task of encouraging people to use this approach. That's good if it works. I didn't know about it. I think it needs more advertising. >If I recall correctly, the issues that caused the need for the .1 >release were due to insufficient change control; non-trivial code >changes were being checked in at the last minute, and one or two of >these changes introduced serious bugs. So I agree we should announce >our unofficial betas earlier and wider, but I think to prevent the >causes of the .1 release last time what we really need is a firmer code >freeze especially in the last couple days prior to release. What do you >think? Tighter freeze would be good but difficult as you know :) And anyway wider testing could make these last-minute changes unnecessary by uncovering the problems eariler. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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0.39 Release?
by Bryce Harrington 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

How do people feel about timeframes for doing a release? Also, looking at our current bug list, how much bug-fixing attention is needed? Bryce

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RE: [ inkscape-Bugs-973768 ] letterspacing broken
by bulia byak 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

>- at some point, 'apply' a text style from the dialog; in the course of >action, the >Name() function is called on the font_instance instance that's going to be >used >for the text. this function was unsetting the size field so that it doesn't >appear in >the font descr Good catch. I did not guess that Name was the culprit so tried to work around it instead. Meanwhile, I have now used pango_font_description_better_match() in font selector where it matches the style of the text with the list of fonts it has in the dialog. I assume this is what Pango also uses internally when selecting a font that matches a description, and therefore we won't have any more bugs like the one where the actual font of the selected object and the font highlighted in the list are different. However this is only a beginning: we have Pango fully working, but the way it works does not satisfy me. The font_describe function in particular is buggy: for example it returns "italic" for an "oblique" font and seems to completely disregard condensedness. In fact this kind of problems is what I expected from it, and now I want to bring back my "manual" fuzzy match mechanism and embed it into the new system because it worked quite satisfactorily before. Below is an outline; any comments are welcome. The main idea of my fuzzy matcher is its reliance on font names to fugure out font features. Yeah, this is ugly, but it's really the only sensible way. For many features, there are no bits in the font itself that we can query, or they are not present in all formats, or they are simply not set (most common). So the way we'll do font matching is basically by doing a lot of string parsing and comparisons. Here's what we'll need: - A new font_description struct (or class) that will hold the family name, the standard weight/style/stretch/variant bits, and the exact face name. The bits are filled in by parsing the face name, but the face name may contain more style descriptions (e.g. "Outline" or "Alternate" or "Swash Caps") that we need to store too. - Each font_instance will have a member font_description that is filled in when it's created. - The data in font_description is filled in from PangoFontFace which in turn is got from PangoFontFamily in FontFactory. That's the only place where we can get this information about a font installed in the sysrtem, because here we can call get_face_name on the face and parse it - we can't do that with a PangoFont, and font_describe is useless. - A function that creates a font_description from CSS style. Fills in all the bits and, possibly, sets the face name too from the -inkscape-face: extension CSS property which we will need if we really want to support arbitrary fonts beyond the limitations of CSS. (This may wait, but the infrastructure to support -inkscape-face: will be in place.) - A function that returns the best match font_instance from a FontMap and font_description. Does this by searching through all famililes and faces in the map and finding the best one, using all of the information in font_description including the one that Pango ignores. (This is more or les how the old nr_type_directory worked.) The last two functions will be used everywhere to get from a CSS style to font_instance, instead of the current Face(descr). That's how I see it at the moment. Comments welcome. _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Installing Inkscape on a Win machine
by bulia byak 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

>The bug is not present in builds up to and including 0406131800. >It is present in builds 0406140200 and beyond. Yeah, that's useful, but by backtrace I actually mean a GDB backtrace as described here: http://inkscape.org/report_bugs.php However for this to work you'll need a build compiled with debug info. If you don't compile your builds I wonder if we can provide unstripped auto builds for windows? (ishmal? mrchapp?) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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19 Jun '04

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versions of tutorial-basic
by Arpad Biro 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Hi, Currently we have 2 different French translations of tutorial-basic.svg. I would like to ask those who speak French to compare them and tell us which one of those seems to be better. The versions are: Yves Guillou's version: http://cvs.sf.net/viewcvs.py/inkscape/inkscape/share/tutorials/tutorial-bas… Cedric Gemy's version: http://www.le-radar.com/mm/sodipodi/xml/tutorial-basic_fr.svg As you can see, currently Yves' version is in CVS. Cedric's letter on this subject: http://sf.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=4523725&forum_id=36054 Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Installing Inkscape on a Win machine
by bulia byak 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

>Has anyone else experienced this crash? It has been present for several >days >now. I am using Win2000. I don't have a crash on this file in win98. If you could create a backtrace that would be really helpful. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Sigc++ and GtkMM
by Bob Jamison 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

While trying to compile a test class with GtkMM2.4, I noticed that configure.in tests for GtkMM2.4, but not for SigC++2.0, which is its dependency. I modified the test to allow both or neither. However, after noticing a lot of Sigc1.2-dependent code in our source, I commented the tests out altogether. Since GtkMM is still "new development", should be not go with 2.4, and avoid a later upgrade? Swallow the pill now, rather than later? Just wondering. :) Bob

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Installing Inkscape on a Win machine
by bulia byak 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

>I just tried opening the help/keys file using the June 15 build on win200 >and got the crash. I've also had some semi-random crashes working on my >own files. The June 4 build doesn't seem to have any of these problems. The bug is here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=973828&group_id=93… Please attach any relevant information there. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Installing Inkscape on a Win machine
by David Christian Berg 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Hi guys, since I'm working with Linux, I'll never have to personally, but inkscape has become my favorite graphics tool, and I need to share files with win users. Now since svg isn't supported that much, I thought, the easiest solution might be to just have the win users install inkscape... how hard is this? I mean including installing gtk. I hope this is real simple and you can point me at some howto. Also I wonder if there'll be work done on the ps export soon. Though I really am looking forward to pangoisation being finished, I really need a proper export of transparency for ps, to make pdfs for sharing, instead of pngs, since pngs are huge, for A3 or A4 posters since I need at least 300 dpi. Any chances, I will see something like that soon? David PS: The Scribus import filter isn't good enough for my posters... so using Scribus for export is ruled out. -- Otto von Bismarck once remarked: “A fool learns from his experience. A wise person learns from the experience of others.” If so, how to define President George W. Bush, who is not even able to learn from his own experience?

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behaviour
by Néstor Díaz Valencia 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Hello everyone, I am having big slowdowns when editing and zooming an svg I create from zero, using inkscape 0.38. Moving the canvas is slow. Zooming in or out is really slow. Selecting nodes is very very slow, and it takes time for inkscape to reflect the changes. It has gradients with more than two stops. In a last editing also some elements or atributes has disappeared, lucky I saved a copy before further editing. It happened when I delete a colour from a 4 colours gradient. The three version I had has grown in size dramatically though i didn't add many elements more: lives.svg=13k lives2.svg=28,8k (this is the version that lost stuff) lives3.svg=48k Should you follow my case for bughunting or do you think it's been solved in the cvs version? just to let you know: Néstor ps: I can send the svgs.

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Letterspacing
by bulia byak 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

>Just build the newest public cvs... letterspacing is 0 by default. That >sucks, since text is unusable this way... That just got fixed. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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SVG and Typography: Bells and Whistles
by Bluefuture 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

Take a look to this article, coul be useful for passepartout and inkscape: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/06/02/svgtype.html Cheers, Blue

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Letterspacing
by David Christian Berg 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

Just build the newest public cvs... letterspacing is 0 by default. That sucks, since text is unusable this way... Guess that's a real tiny bug. David -- Otto von Bismarck once remarked: “A fool learns from his experience. A wise person learns from the experience of others.” If so, how to define President George W. Bush, who is not even able to learn from his own experience?

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ANNOUNCE: SVG::Metadata
by Bryce Harrington 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

I've completed writing some code for processing collections of SVG files to validate their metadata (title, author, license). The code is packaged and released to CPAN: http://search.cpan.org/~bryce/SVG-Metadata-0.01/ It includes the following: SVG::Metadata - A module for parsing and accessing an SVG's metadata, including title, author, license, and keywords. svg_validate - A script for scanning through a collection of SVG files and extracting ones with valid metadata. It also automatically generates png's for each (using inkscape) and metadata text files. Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Double meaning for Ctrl+U
by bulia byak 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

>I dont quite understand how you would need to manually switch to Unicode >instead of the change happening automatically if the input is Unicode (or >even Inkscape being Unicode by default). You dont mean switching to a >differnt Input Method (Cyrillic/Asian Languages/etc) do you? No. If you can type your non-ascii chars direct from keyboard, that's fine, it will work. But if you cannnot, use the Unicode mode to type the codes of the characters you need. Usually it's used for special typographic chars such as em-dash. >It might be a problem if you later want to allow Underlined text which >normally uses Ctrl+U in text mode. Yes. When we get there we'll think of something :) >Back to the general Inkscape interface, I should also mention that many >users are familiar with Mozilla using Ctrl+U for View Source, so it might >be an improvement to bind Ctrl+U to the XML editor, so it might still be >worth changing ungroup to ctrl+shift+g Again, no need to change. Ctrl+Shift+G works for ungrouping already. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Double meaning for Ctrl+U
by bulia byak 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

>if you want an alternative then using >Ctrl+G Group >Ctrl+Shift+G Ungroup >would be more consistant with the Gnome HIG. > >still many new users might think that Ctrl+U was for Ungroup We have both Ctrl+U and Ctrl+Shift+G. And I don't see why a different meaning of Ctrl+U in text editing mode is a problem. Lots of other keys also have different meanings in this mode, such as arrow keys. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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bug and request tracking, give me more POWER! mwuhahaha
by Alan Horkan 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

bug and request tracking, give me more POWER! mwuhahaha! which is my way of asking if my sourceforge.net account (username:horkana) could be added as an official member of the project so that I can mark bug reports, feature requests as duplicates. http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=93438 Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/

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