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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Are these bugs?
by bulia byak 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

> > >http://www.charlietech.com/tmp/inkscape-oo-er.png I see. The reason for the difference is that the "Rect attributes" dialog shows you the raw SVG coordinates, while the top panel shows user corrdinates. The difference between them is typically a 0.8 multiplier (ask Mental about the origin of that multiplier, I'm not entirely sure) and the Y axis being turned upside down (for user, 0,0 is the lower left corner, but in SVG it's the top left corner). There were discussions about converging these two coordinate systems, but I'm not sure about the current status of that. In any case, the "object attributes" dialog is more of a debug tool, it's not really intended for end users. We will nuke it as soon as we have all of its functionality (and more) in the top panel. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] User Comments?
by bulia byak 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

>I do design (mostly for tee shirts), and I love what you have been doing >with Inkscape (although I must admit that I am still using Illustrator for >most of my work). Anyway, is it appropriate for me to post to this list >(not being a developer)? I have plenty of thoughts on the things that are >being discussed here and on the wiki, but my programming skills are pretty >weak. You're welcome. >On another issue, I've noticed that making an item insensitive does not >prevent it from being selected by a rubberband or a shift-click. Is this >the intended behavior, or should I submit a bug? The sensitive/insensitive property of objects is not actively supported at the moment, because we plan to implement layers instead (a layer can be made invisible and/or insensitive) and then perhaps eliminate the per-object sensitivity. However this bug of yours seems to be easy to fix, so please submit it to the tracker and I'll see to it when I have time. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] inverse handles
by Robert Crosbie 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

Speaking of bugs and sodipodi, I noticed this bug was closed in sodipodi: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=851467&group_id=93… Perhaps someone who is familiar with the internals of inkscape and sodipodi could quickly port the necessary code over. I added a note to link to the original CR. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1...> >To: Nestor Diaz Valencia <nestordiaz@...207...> >CC: Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>, bulia byak ><archiver_1@...19...>, inkscape <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] inverse handles >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:34 -0800 (PST) > >On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Nestor Diaz Valencia wrote: > > by the by, how's the bug hunting? I must say that it's been impossible >for me > > to making it crash. On the other hand I find it heavier than Sodipodi, >could > > that be true or it's my imagination? > > > > yours: > > Nestor > >The bug hunting is going fairly well, although we could always use more >help. A lot of the easier bugs have already been squashed so the ones >that are left are going to take some programmer musclepower to knock >out. > >By 'heavier' what do you mean? > >There are a lot of underlying differences folks have implemented that >could be showing up in how the app feels, such as changes to underlying >data types, conversion to C++, etc. However it'd be a little surprising >if they affect the performance in a noticeable way. > >Bryce > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. >Build and deploy apps & Web services for Linux with >a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356&alloc_id=3438&op=click >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] inverse handles
by bulia byak 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

>Any screenshots? please See the new one at http://inkscape.org/screenshots _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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User Comments?
by Michael Wheeler 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

Hi Everyone, I do design (mostly for tee shirts), and I love what you have been doing with Inkscape (although I must admit that I am still using Illustrator for most of my work). Anyway, is it appropriate for me to post to this list (not being a developer)? I have plenty of thoughts on the things that are being discussed here and on the wiki, but my programming skills are pretty weak. On another issue, I've noticed that making an item insensitive does not prevent it from being selected by a rubberband or a shift-click. Is this the intended behavior, or should I submit a bug? -Michael http://www.planet-zero.net

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auto scrolling
by bulia byak 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

* The canvas is now scrolled automatically when you drag an object/node or do a rubberband selection and go beyond the edge of the canvas. Comments welcome. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Are these bugs?
by bulia byak 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

>...why are the values different for the two different dialogues: > >http://www.charlietech.com/tmp/inkscape-oo-er.png 404 Not Found /tmp/inkscape-oo-er.png was not found on this server. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Are these bugs?
by bulia byak 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

>1) Add a gradient fill to shape A, then combine it exclusively with > another shape B to leave the remainder of shape A. If you copy > then paste A, it gives you back the correct shape but filled only > with black instead of the gradient. I cannot reproduce this as described. This can be either bug 853858 or 901978. If neither of these two fits your situation, please submit a new bug with detailed steps to reproduce and an attached sample file. >2) Add a gradient fill to shape A, then combine it exclusively with > another shape B to leave a shape that is originally smaller than > the original shape A. The gradient fill is scaled to the new > shape rather than keeping it's settings relative to the new shape > size as is most likely desired. Again, I cannot reproduce this. Please file a bug with an attached sample. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Are these bugs?
by bulia byak 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

>3) After creating a rectangle, I can highlight it and select 'rect > properties' from the context menu where I can edit the X/Y and > other properties. If I then combinethe rectangle with another > shape, I can not find any way to manually edit the X/Y properties > other than rather clumsily in the XML editor. That's because a shape after any boolean operation becomes a generic path, and ceases to be any special shape it was before (such as a rect). In a general case, you cannot expect a result of a boolean operation to be anything but a path. However, for X/Y you don't need XML editor. Switch to Selector - there are convenient spinbuttons for X, Y, W and H in the top panel under the menu. They work for any object. >Another thing I would note is that I really would like to be able to >have a dialogue open to show the currently selected shape details so I >can quickly sift through different shapes without opening additional >dialogues. As it is, I can only open up details for individual shapes >and must do so for every single one. But that's a 'feature request'. ;) That's what the top panel is for. Currently it's mostly empty but we plan to add all kinds of tool-specific controls to it. E.g. if you have a star selected, switch to the star tool and you'll have fields for the number of rays, ratio etc. in the top panel, and these fields will reflect and affect the currently selected shape(s). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] inverse handles
by bulia byak 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

>One thing though. Do you think the handles are too large? Maybe. However if we stress usability, this is good. And it's difficult to make discernible and solid arrows in a smaller size. (You can try, it's in src/pixmaps/handles.xpm which can be edited in a text editor.) Personally I would prefer smaller and simpler ones (just little squares), but that's for power users. Maybe at some point in the future, we'll implement user-selectable (and user-definable) handle styles. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Are these bugs?
by Charles Goodwin 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

Sorry about asking here. I just wanted to check before tracking down my sf login details to do it there. 1) Add a gradient fill to shape A, then combine it exclusively with another shape B to leave the remainder of shape A. If you copy then paste A, it gives you back the correct shape but filled only with black instead of the gradient. 2) Add a gradient fill to shape A, then combine it exclusively with another shape B to leave a shape that is originally smaller than the original shape A. The gradient fill is scaled to the new shape rather than keeping it's settings relative to the new shape size as is most likely desired. 3) After creating a rectangle, I can highlight it and select 'rect properties' from the context menu where I can edit the X/Y and other properties. If I then combinethe rectangle with another shape, I can not find any way to manually edit the X/Y properties other than rather clumsily in the XML editor. Another thing I would note is that I really would like to be able to have a dialogue open to show the currently selected shape details so I can quickly sift through different shapes without opening additional dialogues. As it is, I can only open up details for individual shapes and must do so for every single one. But that's a 'feature request'. ;) -- - Charlie Charles Goodwin <charlie@...208...> Online @ http://www.charlietech.com

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Joining GNOME Office
by Charles Goodwin 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 23:56, Martin Sevior wrote: > Well from an AbiWord perspective we're doing pretty much these things > too. We're certainly exploring new ways of improving the UI and adding > features and functionality not found in OOo or MS Word. ...which is what makes GO (or, more accurately for the moment, GO applications) so damned good. We're not cloning, we're innovating; we're doing things the right way as we see it even if it differs from the current normal. > They're far from [a fully integrated suite that is a drop-in > replacement for MSO] but they do have good MS Word filters. I pity the > poor secretary forced to use OOo after years of MS Office. To me the > point is that with OOo it is possible to exist without MS Office. Well, I was talking more about their philosophy and goal as opposed to the current state of OOo. > Charles would like us to produce a roadmap. From my perspective such > things are really hard. I find it hard enough to know when I personally > will complete things in my goals. Predicting what other people will do > is even harder. Yes, I would like to see a roadmap. But you seem to be referring to something as detailed as the Mozilla roadmap or the OOo roadmap. Currently there really is nothing other than the developers' intentions which are shared relatively privately (probably unintentionally) through various emails and are very difficult to track down. Which, in reality, amounts to nothing publicly. I'm not expecting a thorough document. But something would be better than nothing. Just a list of the applications aspiring to be part of GO and what their main goals are in order to achieve that. A bulleted list of the overall goals is what I'm asking for. Something simple but something solid and easy to understand. Eg: (and this is my hypothetical example, nothing official) Gnumeric: - fully foster plugin framework to libgoffice - separate out and charting engine into library Just like that for each application; short and simple. I don't think that's much to ask, do you? Then, at a glance, everybody knows where they stand in regards to their project and everybody else's. Then it can be built up from there as we identify and agree on ways in which GO can benefit from further integration between applications and those goals can also be listed. We are not a complex organisation like OOo or Mozilla. But without defining basic goals (even broad ones) then how do the projects know what to work towards? If we define nothing then projects will go in their own direction on some fundamental issues, which may lead to problems down the line. I think that identifying basic goals and priorities early, _now_, will be the key to making GO a suite in the near future. Otherwise it will be a long, long time before we can call GO a suite instead of a collection of loosely-related applications. -- - Charlie The future of the net - www.xwt.org Charles Goodwin <charlie@...208...> Member of the XWT Foundation

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bugs on one page
by Jonathan Phillips 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

BTW-our bug tracker bugs all fit on one page now! Yea! Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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os x packages
by Jonathan Phillips 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

Has anyone built a mac os x dmg package? Several of my artist friends are wanting to install/try Inkscape for OS X and need a simple way to get it up and running? It would be great if an OS X user/developer could spend like 10 minutes on this page: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MacOSXPort Thanks, Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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txt2svg
by Bryce Harrington 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

For the helluvit I wrote a script to convert plain text into SVG <text> elements, using the Perl SVG module: http://www.bryceharrington.com/txt2svg/ Bryce #!/usr/bin/perl # This is a script to render a plain text file into SVG, line by line. use strict; use SVG; use vars qw($VERSION); $VERSION = '1.00'; my $svg = new SVG; $svg->comment('Generated by txt2svg'); my $i=0; while (<>) { chomp($_); s/\t/ /g; # Convert tabs into spaces, otherwise we get errors about invalid char my $text = $svg->text(id => "text_line_$i", x => 10, y => 12*(1+$i), 'xml:space' => 'preserve', style => { 'font' => 'Courier', 'font-family' => 'Courier 10 pitch', 'font-size' => 10, } ) ->cdata($_); $i++; } print $svg->xmlify();

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] sticky zoom size
by bulia byak 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

>Any objections to adding 2 pixels to the bottom bar height? It seems the >sticky zoom button is temporary, but I have a thing for consoles free of >unnecessary output. ;) I don't get these warnings for some reason, but in any case I'd much prefer making the button smaller than blowing up the entire bottom bar for its sake. _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: 'dialogs' menu (screenshot inside)
by bulia byak 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

>Idea: how about always showing that adjustement handle or showing it some >other way? >Why hide it until you turn on Node edit, I cannot help thinking of >programs like Microsoft Powerpoint that have these nodes visible just >after you first draw a shape? That is true, and it applies to other shapes as well (rect, spiral, star). They could be editable by their respective tools, not by node editor. Please file a RFE on that (or maybe we already have such an RFE, please check first). _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: 'dialogs' menu (screenshot inside)
by bulia byak 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

> > If you are going to use the stock icons from OpenOffice I think it would > > be far better if you used the ellipse icon that doesn't have a segment > > sliced out of it (because the ellipse tool in inkscape cannot draw >shapes > > like that yet). It can and always could. Have you read the Help>Tutorial? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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website cleanup reminder
by Jonathan Phillips 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

Hello, I cleaned up the website code to make it validate as xhtml 1.0 transitional. Just some reminders to you all whom edit the site that you should all: 1.) close all tags (<li>...</li> specifically). Thus, <p>...</p> and <img src="./blah.svg" /> (NOTE: the trailing slash before closing tag). 2.) tags are lowercase now and attributes are quoted (ie, <img src="" />). 3.) encode all all html entities like <, >, &, etc using their special code: <, >, & 4.) If you add images, then make sure to include alt tags (my printThumbnail script automatically adds them in--this is used for the screenshots page and main page) I converted many many of these to get the site to validate. Many ppl don't close <li> tags with the trailing </li> and the coding_style.php file had no special characeter encodings, which ring a bell on validation. Also, Bulia, the output from the keys does not conform to the doctype assigned to the generated html file (which is xhtml 1.0 transitional). I know these are minor tasks, but trying to cleanup the web code/markup as well during the BUG HUNT! Thanks, Jon PS: As a show of good faith, I closed the 4 minor website bugs in the bug tracker. We almost have them all one page now! :) -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] sticky zoom size
by bulia byak 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

>http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/sticky_zoom.jpg > >Does it display properly for other people? It does for me, I have no idea why it gets such a big padding on your system. Here's my screenshot: http://inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.38-linux-kerning.png _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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Bug: 898437
by Robert Crosbie 21 Feb '04

21 Feb '04

I don't see what the bug is in this bug: http://tinyurl.com/3ysza The object is a path that is not closed. If you were to add a stroke, it is clear that the path is not closed. As mental noted in the followup, you can select the two endpoints, and join the path to close it. Indicating where the path endpoints are would be a feature... wouldn't it? Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] sticky zoom size
by Robert Crosbie 21 Feb '04

21 Feb '04

This is what I see on my Mandrake 9.2 system with KDE desktop. Note the cropped sticky_zoom button: http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/sticky_zoom.jpg Does it display properly for other people? Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: "bulia byak" <archiver_1@...19...> >To: swingincelt@...19..., inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] sticky zoom size >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:24:46 +0000 > >>Any objections to adding 2 pixels to the bottom bar height? It seems the >>sticky zoom button is temporary, but I have a thing for consoles free of >>unnecessary output. ;) > >I don't get these warnings for some reason, but in any case I'd much prefer >making the button smaller than blowing up the entire bottom bar for its >sake. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RDF
by Jon A.Cruz 21 Feb '04

21 Feb '04

Oooohhhh..... RDF.... Yummmmmyyy..... comments?

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sticky zoom size
by Robert Crosbie 21 Feb '04

21 Feb '04

I was wondering why this message was being printed a lot by inkscape: ** (inkscape:31271): WARNING **: SPIcon: icon allocated less than requested size It is coming from the little sticky zoom button in the bottom status bar. This status bar is defined to have a height of 20, and the sticky zoom is 14x14. With the borders around the status bar and the borders around the button, the sticky zoom gets cropped to 14x10 which triggers the warning message. I found the optimal size for status bar and sticky zoom button to get rid of the warning message is 22 for the status bar and 12 for the button. ./src/widgets/widget-sizes.h #define BOTTOM_BAR_HEIGHT 22 #define BOTTOM_BUTTON_SIZE 12 Anything less than 12 and the sticky zoom button doesn't display. Any objections to adding 2 pixels to the bottom bar height? It seems the sticky zoom button is temporary, but I have a thing for consoles free of unnecessary output. ;) Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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always-visible color
by bulia byak 21 Feb '04

21 Feb '04

After some fiddling I built a new function for the rubberband/page border color which: 1 intuitively preserves the rectangle's own color and transparency (this is relevant for page border whose color is settable) 2 intuitively inverses the color of the background 3 despite 2, does not have a "blind spot" for gray backgrounds! Regular inversion maps color 808080 to itself, so an inversion rubberband rectangle is invisible over a background with that color. I solved this without introducing rotation or other non-intuitive color transformations. Namely, my function looks _almost_ like inversion over dark backgrounds, but is a bit lighter than pure inversion. Over light backgrounds, on the contrary, it is a bit darker than pure inversion. Between 7f7f7f and 808080, there's a discontinuity that jumps from a-bit-darker to a-bit-lighter or backwards. As a result, there's no color that will render such a selection rectangle invisible. _________________________________________________________________ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/

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