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tutorial, terms
by bulia byak 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

The tutorial is switched to Bitstream Vera and slightly updated. The icon which was misaligned should be OK now. Please test. Also I started a wiki page on Inkscape terminology: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InkscapeTerminology So far it has a few terms that are most often confused. Please argue if you disagree with anything, otherwise please remember these terms and apply them correctly. (That includes myself - I used some of them confusingly before, now it's time to straighten that out.) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Too big objects crash-win32
by bulia byak 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

>Ah. Dimension size. I do not get this problem. >Take an object. Press ctrl+> repeatedly. >Sooner or later it will go to dimensions of W=1 000 000, H=1 000 000 > At this point press ctrl+< takes it back down smoothly to original >size. >Continue ctrl+> repeatedly. >Sooner or later it will go to X=-1 000 000, H=-1 000 000 > At this point press ctrl+< takes it back down smoothly. Perhaps you were not persistive enough :) As I keep ctrl+>ing, on my system the sequence of events is this: - 100000 size is reached and is not updated anymore (this is the limit of the size spinbuttons on the panel); - the object becomes invisible (but its center mark is still visible, and you may be able to see it again if you zoom out); - after about 30 more ctrl+> after the disappearance (no matter how fast you press) Inkscape crashes. Of course it's not what normal users will do in their daily work, but still it must not crash. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Status Update for Inkscape release work
by bulia byak 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

>891852 saves to old location after save-as [ted] >Bulia, you mentioned you were going to look at 891852 - did you get a >chance to trace down what needs to be done? Fixed. The source of the problem was that sp_file_save_document() always used the value of sodipodi:docname - which is supposed to be just name, without directory. Therefore it ALWAYS saved into the current directory. This was wrong not only after save-as but also when you load a file from a directory other than current, e.g. inkscape ../file.svg Now this function uses document->uri which I build in sp_document_create() from the pathname on the command line and the current dir, using inkscape_rel2abs (which even does some normalization of things like .. in the middle). It may probably still fail for some exotic cases, but the basic operations that I tested now work OK. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Example SVGs + Samples
by Jonathan Phillips 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Hello All, In order to get our release out the gate, I would like to make some new screenshots and get some of you to post some sample SVGs into the samples folder in CVS. Please just take like 5 minutes to do this. I'm including a few sample SVGs in the documentation section on the website as well. Screenshots I run Inkscape on Linux, and would appreciate to get some 1024by768 screenshots from non-Linux builds of Inkscape. Please send me a couple of screenshots OS X and win32 folks, or even better, you can add them to the site yourself (http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WebsiteEditing), but I know how time goes, so you can send them to me and I'll format them for the site. Thanks, Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Feature freeze 2/7/04 20:00 GMT
by bulia byak 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

> > 881397 too big objects crash >How big is too big? Here big means big in dimensions, not in file size. Take any object and press ctrl+> repeatedly - sooner or later it will crash. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] keys and mouse reference
by bulia byak 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

>The tutorial is still using mainly Times New Roman and looks good with this >font. Will fix today. >If Bitstream Vera Sans is required will it be packaged with the Win32 >build? Good idea. Bob? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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keys and mouse reference
by bulia byak 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

There's now a Keys and Mouse command in Help. It opens an SVG keyboard reference. (Do "make install" so it is copied to where Inkscape expects to find it). The reference is zoom-based, i.e. you are supposed to first find the section you need using the large section headings; then you zoom into the section and read smaller subsection headings; then you zoom into the subsection and read the keyboard shortcuts; if interested, you can zoom even more to read small-type comments and explanations. I think it's a natural approach for Inkscape with its 256x zoom, and it's pretty convenient. Of course it is assumed that you already know at least how to zoom and pan, but I think it's a safe assumption. The reference uses Bitstream Vera Sans exclusively as suggested by njh, so this is now a required font for Inkscape. I will now change the tutorial to Vera as well. I'm interested to know how they come up on other computers and platforms, if there are any misalignments, etc. Please send a screenshot if you have a problem. The svg file is generated from doc/keys.xml by doc/keys-svg.xsl (I use Saxon 7 but it should work with any processor). I will now write another simple stylesheet to generate the same reference in HTML. Comments welcome as always. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Feature freeze 2/7/04 20:00 GMT
by Bryce Harrington 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

I think the time's right to go ahead and feature freeze and put full focus on bug fixing. Let's set the feature freeze time to Saturday 20:00 GMT (that's high noon for those of us in the PST timezone). Here are the remaining code cleanup tasks: ** Review #if 0 code in sp-gradient.cpp, sp-root.cpp [tvon] ** Review #if 0 code in *-chemistry.cpp and seltrans.cpp [pjrm] ** Review #if 0 code in svg/ ** Review #if 0 code in display/ [mental] ** Review #if 0 code in helper/ ** Review #if 0 code in xml/ I haven't seen tvon in a while so perhaps someone else can take his review task? I will post the info on making release packages tomorrow morning. We are down to 9 critical bugs that will need to be addressed prior to our final release: 891852 saves to old location after save-as 850971 Crash while deleting namedview in XML editor 852976 win32: mouse becoming unresponsive 871582 path display freeze [mental] 864791 XML editor: crash when canceling quit [mental] 863373 ./configure not present in nightly tarball snapshot 863371 --gnome-print option 881397 too big objects crash 887428 R&B channels reversed on win32 when printing [ishmal] The ./configure issue looks like just a tweak needed to the nightly build script - Ted or Jon, perhaps you could solve this easily? Ishmal, could you verify that the mouse unresponsive bug on Win32? It's possible this bug is completely fixed now. Also see if you can validate the fix that mental did for 881397, that it works on Win32 too; if so we can mark that one done too. The --gnome-print option bug looks like it might be spurious and not need fixing - could someone try doing `./configure --with-gnome-print` and see if they can reproduce the bug? Jon? There are a couple XML Editor bugs; I looked into each and they did not look as trivial as some of the other bugs. Could someone figure out what we could do to fix these? Mental, do you think 871582 is fixable this weekend? If not, how critical is the bug - could it be postponed for next release? Bryce

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Packagers' info
by Bryce Harrington 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

I've updated the Wiki page on CreatingDists with some directions for creating and naming the various kinds of packages we'll need. http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CreatingDists Last time we kicked butt at collecting packages for a wide range of platforms. We wish to do the same this time, and improve on this by adopting a standardized naming convention for the packages. Specifics are on the wiki page. Here's examples: inkscape-0.37-1.win32.exe inkscape-0.37-1.i386.deb inkscape-0.37-1.athlon.deb inkscape-0.37-1.ppc.deb inkscape-0.37-1.sparc.deb inkscape-0.37-1.mdk80.i386.rpm inkscape-0.37-1.mdk80.i686.rpm inkscape-0.37-1.mdk91.i386.rpm inkscape-0.37-1.mdk91.i686.rpm inkscape-0.37-1.fc1.i386.rpm inkscape-0.37-1.fc1.i686.rpm inkscape-0.37-1.fc1.athlon.rpm inkscape-0.37-1.fc1.ppc.rpm Employing a standard naming convention will make it clearer for people to find the package they need. In order to put some bounds on the quantity of packages we could accumulate, let's limit the varients of a given distro to two for a given architecture - an "oldish" one for compatibility, and a "newish" one for those on the bleeding edge. Let's also limit ourselves for x86 architectures to just i386 and i686. As a minimum, for announcing the release lets strive to have the following covered: * A win32 package * Debian packages for i386, i686, and ppc * rh73 and rh90 packages for i386, i686, and ppc * mdk92 package for i386 * fc1 package for i386 * suse90 package for i386 * fink package for ppc Based on our prior release I think we should have little problem meeting these base requirements. If we can get more distros and architectures, that's great! Bryce

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keys reference in HTML
by bulia byak 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Is now here: http://inkscape.org/doc/keys.html as well as in doc/ in the distribution. So if you want to change anything, you need to edit doc/keys.xml and regenerate SVG and HTML as described here: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardShortcuts _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Please change the subject line if appropriate.
by Alan Horkan 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Rather than ask anyone person directly I would like to politely request that people try to change the subject line a little more often. I'm finding it extremely confusing to try and follow all these different threads with the same subject lines. (It would probably be easier if did something to break up the list digest and got my mailer to thread everthing nicely but I would still very much appreciate it). Thanks in advance. Replies offlist please if necessary. - Alan PS I first wrote this message Feb 8 but didn't send it as I was hoping that if I concentrated really hard it my just happen due to my physic powers but it seems they have failed me.

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Inkscape Feature Freeze
by Bryce Harrington 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

At this time we are temporarily closing the codebase to new features or other significant codebase changes until we are ready to cut the release branch. Until that time, please focus on bug fixing, testing, and packaging/documentation enhancements. Code cleanup work, including removal of the 'if 0' code, conversion of tabs to spaces, cleaning up compiler warnings, etc. should either be postponed or completed soon and with great care and testing. In general I would encourage everyone to set aside feature development or code cleanup work to focus on testing the application and fixing critical bugs. The sooner we can work through this process, the sooner we can have the release completed and be back to regular development. :-) If instead you'd like to continue with development or code cleanup, please do your work on a branch and plan to merge it subsequent to the release. Thanks, Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] prerelease
by bulia byak 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

>Works for me, although I'd really like to see us focus on getting the >official release out as swiftly as possible. Could you put the >prerelease out today? I'm thinking if we put in a good weekend we can >probably get all the outstanding items completed and be ready for an >official release by Sunday evening. We're awfully close. If I am to select only two bugs to be fixed, they are these: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=866197&group_id=93… http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=881397&group_id=93… Can anyone please have a look? The rest look less like release blockers, or are too hard to fix at this time. Also there's a nasty bug 891852, but that one I'll try to fix myself today. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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prerelease
by MenTaLguY 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

Since some folks seem worried about us being "scooped" by the upcoming Sodipodi release... How would you all feel about doing an Inkscape prerelease -- that is, take a known-good CVS snapshot this weekend, make a dist tarball from it, call it .. 0.37-rc1, and put it on the site with something like the usual announcement and release notes. As it's a prerelease, we won't need to worry about filing (all) the rough edges off or packaging for other distros, but we'll still have put our stake in the sand. Maybe that way we could focus better on getting the final release out quickly, without feeling so much pressure to rush. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] tutorial ready
by bulia byak 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

>Good work bulia. I learned more from your help tutorial in five minutes >than >I have in the past few months of fumbling and mumbling. It would be good to >have the entire help tutorial in SVG form. Is this what you have in mind? >This could include detailed examples of more complex actions, how to change >preferences etc.etc. Yes, I will be expanding it, and probably break it into two or three parts (basic/medium/advanced). >I have attached two screenshots. The first is general. The second shows a >small icon misplacement that occurs with my nachine. Let me know if you >want >any specific shots. Thanks for the icon shift report, I'll have to change that because font alignment across systems is obviously unreliable. As for shorts, I wanted to post them on the site. Your Windows shots are even better for that, because they will show off both the tutorial and the windows port. So please send a couple screens showing the entire window with all tools and decorations, with perhaps the first "page" of the tutorial and then with some nice graphics down below. I will then put them on the site (or if you have CVS access you can do this yourself, see http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WebsiteEditing) >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=859364&group_id=9… >I do not get this bug on my machine. Win32. OS2000. build0402030318. I think I have since fixed that mysterious bug. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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about screen
by Jonathan Phillips 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

I think something I will do is adapt the nice graphical ledger at the bottom/top of the TUTORIAL for our about window tomorrow. Good job BULIA/NJH and others on that! Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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text undo bug
by MenTaLguY 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

Bulia, you were right. Not only was the bug in the undo code, it was in the Repr transaction logging stuff. The problem was that, on reversion of the log, content change events were pulling from the wrong union member, and erroneously "reverting" to the "after" state rather than the proper "before" state. Fixed in CVS. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: undoing text node changes
by bulia byak 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

> > SF is up again. Baically the order of undo actions is wrong, and some > > actions may be lost, when text nodes are edited (no matter whether it's >done > > by text tool or by XML editor). > >As I've already commented, the problem is that there is no unified undo >layer for repr actions and other things (like text cursor movement). > >The Repr transaction logging layer is fine as it is -- the thing is that >we need undo records at the SPDocument layer that can hold more than >just Repr transaction logs. I may be misunderstanding you. What you say may be correct, but it does not apply to this bug as far as I can tell. What needs to be logged here is nothing but a repr change, namely a change in the content of the text node inside tspan. This is what is broken. The fact that undo does not know about cursor movements is irrelevant - it must simply restore the previous content of the node, and that's what it cannot do properly. The fact that the behavior is the same no matter whether you edit the text node by the text tool or directly in the XML editor proves that the text tool is not the problem, the problem is inside the undo system. >I do have a rough sketch in my mind for a new undo abstraction -- >basically a generic undo stack and a 'log entry' base class that variuos >subsystems can subclass for undoing/redoing specific things. > >We could even use it for the next/prev zoom feature (i.e. use one of >these generic undo stacks for document editing history, and another for >zoom history). It's very nice, but currently I'm concerned about this particular bug. I think it must be fixed before the release, because it's pretty annoying. Sometimes (I couldn't figure exactly when) editing text even breaks undo completely, i.e. I get "operation did not complete transaction" and cannot undo any more. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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[Fwd: [Sodipodi-list] Sodipodi 0.34 soon]
by Jonathan Phillips 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Lauris Kaplinski <lauris@...39...> To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net Cc: gnome-i18n@...45... Subject: [Sodipodi-list] Sodipodi 0.34 soon Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 01:11:38 +0200 Hello! Sodipodi 0.34 is scheduled to be released early next week, so now is good opportunity to update translations. Very little is changed, few wordings here and there and some new strings, so the update should be easy. If you prefer tarball to CVS, the beta package with frozen strings can be downloaded from: http://lauris.kaplinski.com/sodipodi/sodipodi-0.34-beta1.tar.gz Best wishes, Lauris Kaplinski ------------------------------------------------------- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn _______________________________________________ Sodipodi-list mailing list Sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] inkview slideshow - was fullscreen
by Peter Linnell 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

Sources for Open Office XML specs: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think15/ http://xml.openoffice.org/

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] fr.po file
by bulia byak 06 Feb '04

06 Feb '04

>I have done an update of the fr.po file. Thanks, but your file seems to be quite old. Recently a lot of code was rearranged, and plenty of new interface string were added. The CVS version of fr.po is 85 Kb (even though many strings are not translated there) versus 76 Kb of your file. Can you update the latest CVS version of the file instead? Or at least, can you merge the new translations you made into the CVS file? http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/inkscape/inkscape/po/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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fr.po file
by Frederic Rodrigo 06 Feb '04

06 Feb '04

Hi, I have done an update of the fr.po file. Fred.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] drawing tools broken
by bulia byak 06 Feb '04

06 Feb '04

>were working (such as CVS)? I find your lack of faith disturbing - why are >you allowed to make keybinding changes, yet others are not allowed to fix >real problems with the code? I never said you are "not allowed". It's just that I never commit 10+ files at once. (To be honest, I just committed 9, but it's a rare exception, and the changes are similar and minor). And I test thoroughly before committing (although errors do slip in, but they are usually minor or not easy to notice). I'm not saying that you don't test, but it's obviously more difficult to test even the basic functions when you commit lots of changes in lots of files, as has been done recently. >You claim it is severely broken, yet the fix was to add one line. Please >don't over react. "Severely" does not mean "hard to fix". It only means "very visibly, rendering some basic functions unusable". I think it's an accurate description of this bug. Sorry if I sounded rude. I have nothing against cleaning up. I especially appreciate your and Peter's work. But I simply don't like the idea of cleaning up files on schedule, and doing it so close to a release. It is almost inevitable that when lots of files are touched, errors are introduced. I saw (maybe incorrectly) a confirmation of my suspicions in this bug, hence the reaction. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Remaining Tasks for 0.37 Release
by Robert Crosbie 06 Feb '04

06 Feb '04

Isn't the bonobo stuff not being compiled at all right now? To save the effort, perhaps that could be left out until someone figures out that portion of the code. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1...> >To: <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Remaining Tasks for 0.37 Release >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:48:46 -0800 (PST) > >Here's today's updated list: > > * Review all if 0 code: > * (DONE) Review #if 0 code in desktop*.cpp and svg-view.cpp files >[ted] > * Review #if 0 code in bonobo/ > * Review #if 0 code in sp-gradient.cpp, sp-root.cpp [tvon] > * Review #if 0 code in file.h, interface.cpp, geom.cpp, inkscape.cpp, >and > style.cpp [ishmal] > * Review #if 0 code in *-chemistry.cpp and seltrans.cpp [pjrm] > * Review #if 0 code in svg/ > * Review #if 0 code in display/ [mental] > * Review #if 0 code in xml/ > > * Convert all tabs into spaces in codebase > * dialogs folder [rejon] > * Rename all 'SPFooBar' routines to 'FooBar' and put into > namespaces [mental] > * Update coding-style.txt from the Coding_Style page in wiki > >Sounds like folks think we would be better suited to having humans do >the tab conversion rather than using a script? If so then we could >use more volunteers to help on that; pick a subdir or set of files and >let us know. If you know a trick to doing it with a script, do share! > >Bryce > >On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > When all of these are done, we will feature-freeze, and the focus will > > be on bug fixing. There are 10 bugs rated critical, that will need > > fixing. 5 of these do not yet have an owner so we need volunteers to > > take care of them. We also need to review the lower priority bugs to > > see if there are additional critical ones that will need fixing. > > > > Once the critical bugs are fixed, we will establish the stable branch >for > > 0.37 and the release team can get to work on packaging and creation of > > binaries. Once we have binaries for Windows, OSX, and a couple common > > linux distros, we can begin sending out announcements. :-) > > > > Bryce > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 >Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration >See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. >http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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code cleanup
by Jonathan Phillips 06 Feb '04

06 Feb '04

Hello all... I don't think that it will be possible to get our entire codebase up to to the coding style at the current pace, until next week. I think we are going to need to make a conscious decision to attack this untabbifying code systematically (I've only gotten through the dialogs folder in a couple of days!!!), or only untabbify the code for this release (faster), or put this off till next release (and try and get a release out soon--say by weekends end) What do you all think? I understand Bulia's concern about breaking things so close to release and I see how long this takes by hand...(a long time). Would it not be better to knock out the bugs and #if 0 and then put the rest till next release (bug hunt). I think we need to get a stable release up with bool. ops asap. Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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