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Re: [Inkscape-devel] zooming by wheel
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

>The usability of this would be to be drawing a complex shape and while >drawing with the line/freehand tool, one could hit shift and use the >scrollwheel and be able to zoom closer into where your mouse pointer is >at on screen. Try just that and it won't work. What exactly does it do instead? Centers the zoomed point after zoom? Or does not zoom at all? >Oh BTW, this functionality I just described works great on a >scrollwheel, 3-button mouse by clicking (not scrolling-wheel) the middle >button and being able to zoom closer/further from what is being drawing. Yes, this is what I implemented first, and then just copied that code into wheel-zoom. It should work. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Add/Subtract Nodes + scissor tool + razor tool
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

>where one could hold a modifier key BEFORE clicking on a >node, where the mouse pointer adds a little modifier icon to the node >edit tool, That is, to the mouse pointer. Yes, ideally any meaningful modifier keypress or mouse action should change mouse cursor and provide a useful statusbar hint. It's in my plans, although currently we still have more urgent usability problems... _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Add/Subtract Nodes + scissor tool + razor tool
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

>Add/subtract Nodes + scissor tool >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=880110&group_id=93… Add nodes by clicking anywhere on path: Yes, would be nice. Also editing a bezier curve by dragging it (as opposed to dragging handles). This however involves some nontrivial math so I'm not sure who and when can do it. (Although Gimp does bezier dragging, so we could steal the algorithm there.) Delete nodes by mouse: try ctrl-alt-click Break path at a node: propose a click modifier, it's easy to add >Razor Tool >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=880099&group_id=93… I'm against "razor" as a separate tool, it would mean a lot of duplication of code from freehand tool, and is a toy anyway. What we need instead is one more boolean op: Divide, where the bottom object is cut into pieces along the path of the top one. This way you can precisely draw and adjust your cut path using regular tools, reuse it if necessary, etc. It's a more generic solution. And it's easy to implement now, by combining Intersect and Subtract. So you can add it to the RFE list and probably to the roadmap. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Add/Subtract Nodes + scissor tool + razor tool
by Jonathan Phillips 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

Hello All, After using Inkscape exclusively to design with and comparing it with ADOBE Illustrator and Freehand and having my design buddies use the app, there are a few features I think would be very beneficial to discuss and hopefully implement in the near future. Add/subtract Nodes + scissor tool http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=880110&group_id=93… Razor Tool http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=880099&group_id=93… I know that we are coming up on a release and feature freeze this week, but hopefully we could look at adding these to the next release/roadmap and discuss them. Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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SF cvs downtime
by Bob Jamison 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

For those who didn't know it, SF's cvs is having a scheduled maintenance downtime, which has been extended: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1#top So,, we're still waiting... ;-) Bob

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] coding standards
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

>On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 11:12:47PM +0000, bulia byak wrote: > > >>http://paul.oniony.com/sections/information/tabsversusspaces.html > > > > > >I'm arguing for what he calls "Hybrid Indentation". > > > > I'd prefer it too. My XEmacs inserts tabs for me, and I don't really >want > > to learn reconfiguring it. There are more interesting problems :) > >Most ppl seem to think hybrid indentation is good, but I haven't yet >seen anyone give emacs/vim/indent/astyle settings to do this >automatically. As I understand it, in hybrid indentation the spaces are needed only for wrapped lines; normal lines only use tabs. Which is why I like it: normally the editor inserts tabs for me, and in the rare cases when I do need to wrap lines (which I usually avoid) I don't mind hitting space a few times so it looks decent. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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coding standards
by Jonathan Phillips 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

I say we lock-in our coding style standards over the next day or so. We have much to clean-up b4 a release date and some tasks are waiting for admin. decisions. TABS I say we lock-in at 4 spaces is a tab, and correct that in the files. GOOD? Please take some time to look at that coding standards document and help clean it up. If we lock-in our standards for the project now, then lotsa ppl can help clean-up the code, help document it, and then we can move forward with C++'ification even more. Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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Call for Screenshots on Different Platforms (WIN32 + OS X)
by Jonathan Phillips 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

Hello all, I've added a section on the wiki about editing/changing the website at http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WebsiteEditing Could some of you with an OS X version and WIN32 version of Inkscape make some screenshots and put them up on the website. If it is too much of a hassle to deal with, then email me a link to your screenshot, but in the most GNU of ways, this is DIY. You can see the ones I've added already. Thanks, Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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a stealth delete again :(
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

The GTK color selector is gone :((( /* REJON: I'm commenting this fucker out because its too big on the screen when editing. It is especially bad on screens <= to 1024by768 */ As I wrote, the color wheel is way more usable than sliders for everyday work, and this selector should actually be made the default. If you think it's too big, let's discuss possible ways to improve that, instead of "treating headache with a guilliotine"! BTW, the HSV wheel selector is in the release notes already. If I didn't notice that removal, we could have a false statement in the release notes. So, Jon, I urge you to please restore this feature (unless you have more arguments against it, in which case please share them here). And ance again, a reminder for everyone: in addition to any possible discussions on jabber, PLEASE also post to the list before deleting any features. It's really annoying to discover such things by chance. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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time to focus on bugs
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

I think it's high time to start the pre-release bug hunt. The number of open bugs is huge, and some of them are pretty nasty. Please everyone take time to review the list and fix/close whatever possible. Mental, I would be really grateful for your help with XML editor bugs (850971, 852619, 864791, 869683, 872277) and undo bugs (877238, 861462), plus the ruler bugs and action-per-view bugs assigned to you. Whenever you have time. (How was your job interview?) Also Mental, would you care to add a brief description on your recent URI changes to the release notes? There are also a few weird bugs that seem to display some deep problems with NR subsystem or some other geometry code: 879249 (really annoying, probably many other problems are caused by this), 871342, 871508, 859579. If someone with a better knowledge of NR could have a look that would be great. Jon, any progress with the non-ascii filenames? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] page shadow
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

>I'd really prefer we settled on a shadow size that more or less worked >for everyone (1 or 2 pixels, I suspect) and stuck with that. Personally I find 1 or 2 annoyingly small. To me, it's either 0 or 5. >We have to pick and choose what we make a preference, otherwise we >render the preferences dialog (once we have one) unnavigable from sheer >volume of preferences. Not all preferences need to be in the dialog. Some may be only editable in the pref file. Or we can add an "advanced" tab later. >Besides being able to turn off the page outline (which I believe is >already a preference, No such preference AFAIK. Which is why I suggested to make the shadow size a pref - it would work both for on/off and for size. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] coding standards
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

>on this. It would, however, be a good thing to have a consensus on the >coding standards by the end of the day today, so that we can put in some >man-hours on hitting FEB 1 release. Does that really stop us from e.g. fixing bugs? In any case, I don't have any strong feelings either way, so I will be fine with whatever you (i.e. those who do have strong feelings about this issue) decide. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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page shadow
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

Jon, I think it would be more convenient just to add a preferences value (e.g. options.pageshadow) for how large is the shadow, or no shadow if it is 0. Can you please do that? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] coding standards
by bulia byak 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

>>http://paul.oniony.com/sections/information/tabsversusspaces.html > >I'm arguing for what he calls "Hybrid Indentation". I'd prefer it too. My XEmacs inserts tabs for me, and I don't really want to learn reconfiguring it. There are more interesting problems :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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SVG Patterns
by Alan Horkan 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

You mentioned SVG patterns and that you were having difficulty finding programs that used them. Jasc Web Draw 1.0 for Windows also implements SVG Patterns. http://www.jasc.com/products/webdraw/ You can download a trial version from the Jasc website (or you can be a little bit sneakier and skip the registration process by going elsewhere ftp://ftp2.jasc.com/pub/ I think this the link for Web Draw ftp://ftp2.jasc.com/pub/wdw102ev.exe ) I've dumped a copy of the patterns.svg file in this folder http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~horkana/inkscape/jascwebdraw/ SVG Patterns http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~horkana/inkscape/jascwebdraw/patterns.svg Hope that is of use. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ PS this is a new post,sorry I couldn't maintain the thread

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Re: Patterns
by Bryce Harrington 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, vellum wrote: > Hi Bryce, > > In the new year when the dust has settled I would like to pursue patterns in > Inkscape. I have been collecting and generating SVG code for several that I > would like to see in the program and will post them. Also, what about > generating specific patterns not present in the program? Would it be very > difficult to implement this in Inkscape? > > Vellum What we need to do for not only this but also markers and gradients is to have a "palette manager" thingee that allows the user to edit these kind of <def> items. There's three types of <def> items - "document level", "application level", and "external". Document level def's are stored in the document itself; currently this is the only type supported. Application level def's are defaults that will be provided by Inkscape itself; these are copied into the document if used, and removed if any all referring objects are deleted. External def's are specified with URI's and are not copied into the document at all, but instead looked up and loaded in memory at runtime; a command would be provided to the user to flatten external def's into document level def's. Bryce

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win build + tablet
by bulia byak 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

Bob, I tested your latest Windows builds on a win98 system with a Wacom tablet. Unfortunately it's almost unusable because it responds to perhaps 1/4 of all button_press and button_release events. Pressing harder does not help. Other Windows programs and all Linux programs on the same computer work fine. I suspect it's a GTK port problem, so my question is: do you know any other GTK program ported to Windows with the same libraries as you use, so I could test it and compare? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: page shadow
by bulia byak 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

>Is there a place in the source code you could recommend to me where I >can look at and copy another one? Lots of places now use prefs_get_int_attribute. E.g. tolerance value, scroll distances, etc. It's very simple in fact. The Wiki page was written for you :) >I suggested a pref value and other developers said save your time. Different people may prefer different shadow styles, so a preference is appropriate IMHO. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] your nodepath changes
by bulia byak 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

>Got it. Added a method to return the node count of a nodepath. >Now when a node delete leaves <2 nodes, it considered the >same as if the whole thing was deleted. > >Tried both node_delete() and node_delete_segment() with ><2, 2, and >2 nodes. Seems to work OK. Looked in the XML >and didn't see any phantoms. Thank you, that works well. Although I would prefer the node tool to still be able to handle one-node path, and only delete it when you switch away from the node tool. So that e.g. I can leave one node and "draw" from it by pressing shift-d and arrow keys repeatedly. But perhaps it's not worth the extra trouble, and at least it's safer as you implemented it. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] your nodepath changes
by bulia byak 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

>>Still segfaults for one-node path: >Got that one, too. The segfault is fixed, but it still leaves a ghost path with empty d="" attribute which is impossible to delete except in the XML editor. Could you please change it so that if a single node remains, the path object is deleted when you switch away from node tool? This is consistent because if you delete all nodes but one in a subpath, then on the next entry into node tool, that subpath is gone. So I think we should do the same for the entire path, too. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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cannot compile
by bulia byak 17 Jan '04

17 Jan '04

sp-symbol.cpp: In function `void sp_symbol_bbox(SPItem*, NRRect*, const NRMatrix*, unsigned int)': sp-symbol.cpp:466: error: cannot convert `NRMatrix' to `NRMatrix*' for argument `1' to `NRMatrix* nr_matrix_multiply(NRMatrix*, const NRMatrix*, const NRMatrix*)' sp-symbol.cpp:469: error: cannot convert `NRMatrix' to `const NRMatrix*' in argument passing sp-root.cpp: In function `void sp_root_bbox(SPItem*, NRRect*, const NRMatrix*, unsigned int)': sp-root.cpp:715: error: cannot convert `NRMatrix' to `NRMatrix*' for argument `1' to `NRMatrix* nr_matrix_multiply(NRMatrix*, const NRMatrix*, const NRMatrix*)' sp-root.cpp:718: error: cannot convert `NRMatrix' to `const NRMatrix*' in argument passing _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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MAX_PATH not safe
by Jon A. Cruz 17 Jan '04

17 Jan '04

Uh oh. Using MAX_PATH as an absolute turns out not to be safe. WINE's docs have this to say in regards to CreateFile > Windows NT: You can use paths longer than MAX_PATH characters by > calling the wide (W) version of CreateFile and prepending “\\?\” to > the path. The “\\?\” tells the function to turn off path parsing. This > lets you use paths that are nearly 32,000 Unicode characters long. You > must use fully-qualified paths with this technique. This also works > with UNC names. The “\\?\” is ignored as part of the path. IIRC, we have at least a few fixed buffers with MAX_PATH. 256 is a bit shy of 32767. =-O

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] your nodepath changes
by bulia byak 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

>Found it! Yayy! Still segfaults for one-node path: - create a path - f2 - select all nodes but one - del - f1 - f2 crash. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] your nodepath changes
by bulia byak 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

>- create a path > >- f2 > >- select all nodes > >- del > > >This creates a segfault, (apparently) because the nodepath was being >destroyed more than once. I remember doing exactly that, and it did not segfault, after I added the delete_selection. In fact that was _why_ I added delete_selection - previously this operation left a ghost path with no nodes which was impossible to pick or delete. So the segfault problem may have appeared more recently and not in my code (although I am not 100% sure). _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Status for 2004-01-15
by Bryce Harrington 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Thursday, January 15, 2004 Statistics Nov 15 Nov 29 Dec 15 Dec 31 Jan 15 ========== ====== ====== ====== ====== ====== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 4391 3676 2452 2444 1928 (68.5%) (73.6%) (82.4%) (82.5%) (86.1%) Max Week's Rank on SourceForge: 62 37 27 22 321 (99.6%) (99.8%) (99.8%) (99.9%) (97.5%) Total SF Page Views * 50,000 86,000 107,600 126,512 Total SF Downloads * 1700 3640 4,751 5,735 Total Freshmeat URL Hits 746 1121 2237 2567 2,958 Total Freshmeat Subscriptions 16 19 28 30 33 Lines of Code in src/: 115,901 116,970 132,134 165,664 166,914 Code lines 100,549 132,458 133,150 Comment line 11,591 12,234 12,468 Blank 20,559 21.540 21,929 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 2,100 2,225 2,615 3,068 Lines of content in website: 1,173 1,624 2,090 2,261 2,885 Size of the Inkscape wiki: 3,700 5,737 7,385 11,062 11,284 Hours since last ChangeLog mod: 6 2 21 0.8 0.1 Bugs open/total: 9/15 40/51 67/111 66/130 74/160 Features open/total: 18/18 23/24 40/45 103/115 104/120 Patches open/total: 1/ 6 5/20 6/25 4/32 4/32 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 481 963 * 1580 * Inkscape-devel membership: 49 61 64 65 64 Inkscape-announce membership: 9 14 16 20 22 * - Statistics unavailable

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