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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Planning for 0.37 goal
by bulia byak 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

> >As for the grid dialog, why separate dialog? Is it so big and complex it won't fit into the Grid tab of the current ctrl-shift-d dialog? > > > > > It's not big, in fact it is simpler. It's just that my changes mean > that I have to restructure the grid representation and it would be > easier to get right using C++, which is our planned language anyway. > It's not a separate dialog, so in fact my first step will probably be to > port the whole ctrl-shift-d dialog to gtkmm to get a feel for how things > work. Great! In the DialogsReorganization plan, the former "document settings" dialog is to be merged with the ctrl-shift-d too - its content should go on the Page tab. Assuming nobody objects to this idea, if you implement it too along with gtkmmization, that would be fantastic. Also, in a past milestone, there's a mention of a new export dialog. What's its status? Can we do it in gtkmm too? > Btw, I don't have close boxes on my dialogs (see attached png) > > My window manager is sawfish (default). Hmm, is this a case of the lack-of-decoration-on-transient-windows that we discussed some time ago? Or can it be fixed simply by adding a hint when the window is created? I'll try to see what can be done about that. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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utest
by Bryce Harrington 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

utest.inc 0. Very straightforward and basic testing. 1. Needs a copyright/licensing statement 2. Needs a README 3. Add doxygen comments for each function 4. Assert for NULL const char* inputs 5. strncpy character strings (line 20) 6. Maybe consider 't_' as the prefix for testing functions instead of 'utest_"? Might make it more concise and eye catching? repr-action-test.c 1. Document what it's doing in each stanza so if people use this as an example, it'll explain what's being done and why. Looks like a good start all around. Nice straightforward system with the basic capabilities. We can build on it as we learn more about testing. Bryce

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Inkscape Subsystem Block Diagram
by Bryce Harrington 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

Mental and I put together this top-level block diagram of the Inkscape application today. http://www.inkscape.org/doc/ It identifies the 10 main "pieces" that make up Inkscape, what files belong to each of them, and roughly how they dovetail together. The main motivation for drawing this is to provide the team with a set of groupings that we can use to take a 'divide and conquer' approach to large efforts such as unit tests, documentation, or code style alterations. The original SVG is checked into CVS in inkscape/doc/. Bryce

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fontproblem 0.36cvs win32
by unknown＠example.com 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

Hi, I have a svg file that looks different in sodipodi and inkscape. The current inkscape doesn't show the correct font. Look at the pics in the attachement. This file was written in Webdraw and by hand. And yes I can change the font-attributes with the dialog. I have inkscape 0.36cvs on a win2K and gtk runtime 2.2.4.1. Thanks, Adib.

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Re: Planning for 0.37 goal
by bulia byak 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

One dialog we'll likely need soon is the Layers. Ask Mental when he thinks the code will be ready for creating a UI. As for the grid dialog, why separate dialog? Is it so big and complex it won't fit into the Grid tab of the current ctrl-shift-d dialog? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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saving files
by Robert Crosbie 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

I have fixed the problem with the save dialog dropping back a directory each time you "Save as", but it seems the system module is not saving the the docname, docbase and a lot of other attributes to the file. This means that inkscape keeps prompting you for the file name to save as every time you save. Opening a file that alrady has the sodipodi:docname tag doesn't seem to have the same problems. Perhaps someone who is familiar with the open/save modules could have a look at it. Ted maybe? Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: Inkscape and Glade? [was Re: [Inkscape-devel] keyboard issues]
by bulia byak 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

First, a disclaimer: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BuliaByak Now, I have no experience with either Gtkmm or Glade, and I don't know much of C++, but whatever makes the life of developer easier is great IMHO. From what I see on screenshots, Glade is a really nice thing, and I like the general approach of creating interfaces in a declarative manner (in XML) with code being generated automatically. Currently my experience with Inkscape's UI code is rather horrible, and whatever helps us to make it saner should be seriously considered. In fact, I'm afraid to even think about DialogsReorganization until we have some nicer tool for dialog layout. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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Planning for 0.37 goal
by Bryce Harrington 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

Currently we have 'Convert to Gtkmm' as the goal for 0.37. However, I think this is a bit ambitious for us to do at present. I'd like to propose we reduce the scope of the Gtkmm work for the next release. Instead of converting the entire codebase, I'd like to suggest we focus on creating one Gtkmmifying dialog, such as Nathan's grid dialog or perhaps implementing Tom Ingham's new object properties mockup (opinions?) This would allow us to put more focus into doing the C++ conversion in an orderly fashion. I think if we start converting to C++ willy nilly we may get ourselves into a royal mess, but if we focus on subsystems serially, one at a time, we can achieve better quality. How does this sound? Bryce

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DOM SVG Canvas
by Ian Grant 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

I want to write a mapping/GIS application. I was hoping to find an 'SVG canvas' library that I could use to render the graphics. Librsvg is not ideal because it simply renders the entire SVG document at once. Rather I am looking for something that watches a DOM tree and renders changes as they occur. Do Inkscape or sodipodi have any such internal structure, or could they be used as a basis for such a thing? Seems like people are going to be writing a lot of low-level SVG rendering code otherwise.

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BORKEN merge
by MenTaLguY 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

Just a quick heads-up; I've merged the "BORKEN" UI branch to HEAD. It still needs a lot of refinements, but I think it's far along enough now to merge. Have a look at Bulia's recent post and on the Wiki for more stuff we can do. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] keyboard issues
by bulia byak 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

> bb> 3. Several people suggested that making keyboard shortcuts user-modifiable and providing "profiles" imitating other vector editors. This is an attractive idea but there are some issues. I added a > bb> brief overview of this to the KeyboardShortcutsToDo. > it would be a great feature. OK, so whoever is not busy coding (and especially fixing bugs) at the moment could start working towards this. Please pick your favorite non-Inkscape vector app and make a list of its shortcuts and corresponding functions. Please also categorize each function into one of the following groups: 1. There is a corresponding function (with the same or different shortcut) in shortcuts.c (i.e. this is a global verb in Inkscape). 2. There is no such function in shortcuts.c but such a function is listed on the KeyboardShortcuts wiki page (which tracks all shortcuts currently implemented in Inkscape). 3. There's no such function in Inkscape, but it would be relatively straightforward to implement it. 4. There's no such function in Inkscape, and it's not clear how to implement it (i.e. we don't have such a tool, or palette, etc.). Please use Wiki for creating your lists. You can link them from under "Interface discussions" on the Wiki front page. > corel has something similar in its coreldraw > and corel photopaint - but you can switch not only shortcuts but also > a layout of toolbars to imitate illustrator or photoshop > (respectively). That's I don't see how to do. (Especially given that Illustrator and Photoshop do not have a fixed layout.) And in any case, right now the dialog layout is very rigid and messy in the code ("boilerplate"), so this has to wait until we switch to something more flexible (Glade?). -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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big dialogs upgrade
by bulia byak 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

Today's a big day: finally I made all dialogs unsinkable, defocusable, closeable, and remembering position across sessions. Well, not exactly all, because I decided that a number of dialogs can be simply removed so I did not bother upgrading them. See the new wiki page: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DialogsReorganization for my plans on what to do with what dialogs. COmments are welcome as always. So, please test the latest CVS and report any problems. There are probably quite a few of them because there were lots of changes in lots of files. Other wiki pages created or updated today: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TextUsability - specific ideas for the text tool and dialog http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SecondaryToolbar - this is what's brewing inside BORKEN, and it's cool! http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PreferencesDialog - we need a big and impressive Preferences dialog, so add your ideas on what to put there http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardProfiles - the discussion on keyboard profiles is now on a page of its own. Please be more active on the Wiki. All these pages and others will benefit from your input and ideas. Also, please test drag tolerance that I added yesterday. You may need to remove old ~/.inkscape/preferences file for the new ~/.inkscape/preferences.xml to work reliably (I could not find how the old file can break things, but looks like it does sometimes). -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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Re[2]: [Inkscape-devel] key bindings and documentation
by Yemu 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

JP> Okay, so I created some SVG keys. Man, it is amazing the bugs you find JP> when trying to design something simple like keys in Inkscape. JP> Anyway, please look over and make suggestions. Otherwise I will try and JP> use the wiki to add PNGs or GIFs of the keys to the keybinding page as JP> soon as possible. GULP. I've never tried that before, but hopefully can JP> conquer that task. hi jonathan! i made some changes to your keys. use them if you like (keys are little lighter and "less round") best regards yemu

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] bugs bugs bugs
by Robert Crosbie 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Of course. See my Stability section in Wiki. Simply starting and quitting inkscape will leave over 3 megs of unfreed memory on my machine! Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: "Jon A. Cruz" <jon@...18...> >To: Robert Crosbie <swingincelt@...19...> >CC: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] bugs bugs bugs >Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:57:59 -0800 > >Robert Crosbie wrote: > >> >>Relating to hammering out the bugs, I tried to compile inkscape with >>ElectricFence last night, but couldn't get inkscape to compile with it. I >>didn't have time to debug it, so I gave up and reverted back to my >>original configuration when it failed. > > >As an alternative, you might try running with valgrind. > >http://valgrind.kde.org/ > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. >Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it >help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help >YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] bugs bugs bugs
by Robert Crosbie 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Relating to hammering out the bugs, I tried to compile inkscape with ElectricFence last night, but couldn't get inkscape to compile with it. I didn't have time to debug it, so I gave up and reverted back to my original configuration when it failed. If anyone else would like to try and get it to work, I'm sure it would help us in the long run. There definately are a lot of memory management issues. I simply borrowed some efence code from another projects configure.in, ran 'autogen.sh --with-efence' and tried to remake inkscape. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1...> >To: <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] bugs bugs bugs >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:36:10 -0800 (PST) > >On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, bulia byak wrote: > > I just put Inscape to a little real-world usability test by drawing > > several diagrams. While there are many small interface improvements I > > could think up for myself, the biggest problem were bugs. More > > specifically, two kinds of bugs: the undo bugs and save bugs. You run > > into them very often. I don't think we can release 0.36 with them. I > > urge everyone to please go to the tracker and fix as many as you > > can. Some of them must be pretty simple. > >Yes, this is an issue we'll need to hammer down prior to making a >release. > >But it isn't cause for alarm yet; this is normal for the development >process we're using. Since so many of us are working directly on the >codebase, it's going to get messy. This is why tracking, feature >freezing and bug hunts are critical parts of the process. (This is also >why modularity and testing frameworks are very important.) > >It is also important that we always test out each other's code. It's >very easy for us to focus on our own area of interest in the code, but >if we're going to succeed as a team, we do best to take some time to >review each other's work. Review is good for morale, good for quality, >and good for knowledge-transfer. > >So for right now, when anyone finds a bug, make sure it is listed in the >bug tracker at an appropriate criticality ranking, so we can be sure we >are not releasing Inkscape 0.36 with any critical bugs. > >Bryce > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. >Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it >help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help >YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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more BORKEN comments
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Mental, thanks for moving the secondary toolbar to the top. Now, like I said, it would be nice to move all tool options there (and remove the "tool options") dialog. However, this is not to be done indiscriminately, and other dialogs' content is sometimes appropriate for this secondary toolbar. I started a Wiki page, SecondaryToolbar - please review and add your ideas or comments. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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BORKEN comments
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I finally upgraded my Mandrake so I could compile the BORKEN branch. Overall, very good work, thanks! I have only one suggestion: Can we please move the second toolbar with tool-specific buttons to the top of the window, making it a horizontal toolbar under the menu? Here are the advantages: - With two vertical toolbars side by side, it's not quite clear that the second is auxiliary to the first. The second one looks like a continuation of the first. When the toolbars are orthogonal, it's more intuitive IMHO. - With maximized window, two docked toolbars at left leave too much unused space beneath them. - If we make the auxiliary toolbar horizontal, we may not limit it to buttons only. In fact, the entire contents of the "tool options" dialog can be moved to that horizontal bar too. Then everything in that secondary toolbar, including both buttons and text fields, will change in concert upon tool switching, but the toolbar itself won't disappear or reappear (although it may be empty for some tools). I think it will be both convenient and intuitive. I did not invent this; what is described above is exactly the interface approach of Xara X. (Which is, by the way, despite its lack of SVG support, by far the most convenient and usable vector application I've ever seen. Way more convenient than Illustrator, and I'm not alone in that assessment. If we must imitate any one program, I'd choose Xara any day.) --bb -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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keyboard issues
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

1. I fixed editability of text fields in the fill&stroke dialog (that was my error). I also added moving focus to the document when you press Enter in any of the fields (in that dialog only, for now). Now the dialog is completely usable by keyboard. Question: do we want to similarly move focus to the document upon activation of any other widgets, e.g. buttons? 2. This change gives me one more reason to not make dialog shortcuts toggles. This discussion is now on the KeyboardShortcutsToDo wiki page; please read and comment. Overall, I think the arguments against toggles are now more persuasive. 3. Several people suggested that making keyboard shortcuts user-modifiable and providing "profiles" imitating other vector editors. This is an attractive idea but there are some issues. I added a brief overview of this to the KeyboardShortcutsToDo. P.S. One of my messages seems to be lost - I don't see it in the list. Here it is again: There's a new release of Sodipodi. Looks like there are many changes there, and while most of them are in the internals (which I'm no expert in) some are in UI and I'd like to port at least some of them to Inkscape. Anyone else feeling that may be a good idea? Maybe we can add to the roadmap "review and merge good changes from Sodipodi"? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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bugs bugs bugs
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I just put Inscape to a little real-world usability test by drawing several diagrams. While there are many small interface improvements I could think up for myself, the biggest problem were bugs. More specifically, two kinds of bugs: the undo bugs and save bugs. You run into them very often. I don't think we can release 0.36 with them. I urge everyone to please go to the tracker and fix as many as you can. Some of them must be pretty simple. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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keys svg file
by Jonathan Phillips 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Oops...sent without attachment...Here are the SVG keys. jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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key bindings and documentation
by Nathan Hurst 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Would someone with two artistic neurons to rub together put together an SVG of a keyboard key with a place to put the letter symbol and some control, shift etc keys? This would make bulia's keybindings page look very professional! just a thought, njh

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key graphics
by Jonathan Phillips 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I'm creating the key graphics. I'm sending this so that work is not duplicated. thx, jon -- Jon Phillips UCSD Graduate Researcher Computational Media PO BOX 948667 La Jolla, Ca 92037 858.361.2811 www.protofunk.org jon@...15...

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drag tolerance
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

To complement teh cursor tolerance that affects grabbing, I added another option, drag tolerance. Currently it only affects mouse drags in selector. Any mouse drag which is smaller than the tolerance (in screen pixels) is ignored and is interpreted as a click. To me, this makes it much easier to select objects with mouse and especially tablet, as well as switching handles from scale to rotation, by eliminating the small accidental object drags that are very annoying. The default value for this option is 4 pixels. Please test the latest CVS and report if you like the change, and if so, what value is the best for you. There's no UI for changing the value yet but you can edit it in preferences.xml: <group id="dragtolerance" value="4.0"/> and then restart Inkscape. By the way I also wrote most of the HandlingPreferences tutorial on Wiki. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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0.36 release notes
by bulia byak 25 Nov '03

25 Nov '03

I started a ReleaseNotes document on Wiki. Let's use it to describe all our achievments and failings in this version in a way accessible both to an average non-technical user and to a potential contributor who hasn't followed our discussions and wants to get a scoop quickly. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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0.36 release soon?
by Bryce Harrington 25 Nov '03

25 Nov '03

Hi all, Looking at the planned tasks for this release it seems we're quite close. Plus, a lot of work has been done, so I think the codebase is getting ripe for a release within a week or two. For those working on things to go into 0.36, could you reply and let us know your status? Thanks, Bryce

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