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more kde removal
by Robert Crosbie 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

As part of the kde removal, I assume this would also need to be removed from configure.in: 276,285d275 < AC_ARG_WITH(kde, AC_HELP_STRING([--with-kde], [Compile with kde support (experimental)]), [kde=$withval], [kde=no]) < < AM_CONDITIONAL(USE_KDE, test "x$kde" = "xyes") < if test "x$kde" = "xyes"; then < AC_PROG_CXX < AC_PATH_KDE < KDE_CHECK_NEWLIBS < AC_DEFINE(WITH_KDE, 1, [Use experimental kde support]) < fi < 320d309 < KDE support: ${kde} Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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[Inkscape-tracker] [ inkscape-Patches-838528 ] Remove hacky KDE stuff (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

Thanks for the patch Manny, it's been accepted and applied to the codebase. Bryce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:21:16 -0800 From: SourceForge.net <noreply@...34...> To: noreply@...34... Subject: [Inkscape-tracker] [ inkscape-Patches-838528 ] Remove hacky KDE stuff Patches item #838528, was opened at 2003-11-08 20:17 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mannythegnome You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=604308&aid=838528&group_i… Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Christian Neumair (mannythegnome) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Remove hacky KDE stuff Initial Comment: Removes all dependencies on KDE's file selector. It really isn't work the effort and adds a lot of headache. In addition, you need to remove the file acinclude.m4. regs, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Christian Neumair (mannythegnome) Date: 2003-11-08 20:21 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=836555 Forgot to mention: You've got to remove src/modules/kde* as well. regs, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=604308&aid=838528&group_i… ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-tracker mailing list Inkscape-tracker(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-tracker

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Old extensions spec
by Bryce Harrington 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

I posted to Wiki the spec I did for the extensions system for Sodipodi. It's not as slick as full language bindings but was a cinch to implement. I also put the XML config. Might have ideas worth borrowing. Bryce

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more arrow keys fun - committed
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

I had to learn CVS which I never used before... Anyway, several files were just committed, with fixes and rewrites regarding the arrow keys in selector and node editor. Now they all work consistently to move by absolute or screen (with alt) distance, normal or 10x (with shift) speed. node-context.c was rewritten so that there's only one switch and every key checks its own modifiers. This made it a bit more bulky but now it's much more orthogonal and therefore easier to add new shortcuts. I have created a wiki page: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardShortcuts (imported from sodipodi) where I will track my progress with keyboard. Ideally, I would like to see the program almost totally controllable from keyboard, with only the tasks like freehand drawing left to mouse. Hopefully I will have some free time in the coming months to advance towards this goal. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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learning via wiki: preferences
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

Now I want to add a preference value for the default nudge distance so I can implement absolute-value movements with arrow keys, as planned. I started to figure this out but got stuck. I thought I coule use the wiki to speed this up. So I made a page where I described what I figured out so far: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HandlingPreferences If anyone could review, fix, and complete that description that would be great. I would learn what I want to learn, and we'll have a documentation resource for developers as a side effect. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] my first hack
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

> I couldn't get it to work? I applied your patch (which looks ok!) but > when I select some nodes and type on the keypad the node doesn't move. > with a few printfs I couldn't even get the even handler to get called. Strange - I just checked out the cvs (with my patch already applied, thanks to Bryce) and it works for me. Just select one or more nodes of a shape in the node editor (F2) and use arrows (both normal arrows and keypad arrows work), or arrows with shift if you want it to move 10 times faster. Can anyone else please check this? P.S. please always send both to the list and to my email when talking to me - thanks! -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] my first hack
by bulia byak 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

I found that sometimes arrow keys don't work because other windows steal focus. For example a docked toolbar may steal focus (even though it's docked!), and the zoom value field in the bottom left corner also loves to grab the focus and not let it go. This is an old problem (see "usability" programming task on Sodipodi site). I will see what I can do about it - but I'm afraid it's too complex for me, so if a real programmer could look into that, that would be nice. Basically, we need non-canvas windows to send focus and keystrokes to the (current) canvas whenever possible. Still, if you click on the canvas first, the arrow keys always work :) -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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my first hack
by bulia byak 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

I just uploaded a patch to the sf patch tracker enabling arrow keys in node editor. This turned out to be simpler than I expected. Perhaps I will implement more of http://sodipodi.sourceforge.net/index.php3?section=development/tasks/keyboa… when I have time. Please review the patch and let me know if it will be accepted. Now, a question for your FAQ: why the fork? Was Lauris unwilling to collaborate? Being very busy lately I could not check the mailing list often, so please enlighten me. I understand that sometimes a fork may be the only thing to do, but was it really necessary in this case? What are you planning to do that was impossible to do without a fork? My reason for asking these questions is simple - I just want to know if I have to provide my patches to both Inkscape and Sodipodi or I can safely concentrate on one of them without being afraid that the other one will win in the long run :) -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape 0.35-pre0
by Robert Crosbie 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

>Message: 12 >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:15:25 -0800 (PST) >From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1...> >To: herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@...26...> >cc: inkscape-devel <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape 0.35-pre0 > >On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, herve couvelard wrote: > > > Bryce Harrington wrote: > > > Since SourceForge CVS can be iffy for some people, I've cut a source > > > tarball, that can be gotten here: > > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 > > > > > > Unless anyone has any objections, we can consider it in feature-freeze > > > for the next few days. Patches that fix compilation bugs, crashes, or > > > solve packaging issues are encouraged at this time. We'll also be > > > checking the bug tracker for critical or easily fixed issues. > > > > > > Bryce > > configure make make install went fine redhat9 kernel 2.4.20-19.9 > > didn't play much with it > > > > just one think : kde support : no > > > > Is it important ? did i missed something ? > >Lauris was experimenting with using some Qt/KDE features in Sodipodi. >We're planning on disabling and removing those because we think it's >best to focus on one windowing/widgeting system, and while we like KDE, >we decided to focus on Gtk (Gtkmm, specifically.) > >So leaving that turned off is appropriate. > >Bryce > ...and if you turn it on, you might not be able to link anyway. after ./configure --with-kde modules/libspmodules.a(kde.o)(.text+0x12c): In function `sp_kde_init': /home/rcrosbie/program/inkscape-0.35-pre0/src/modules/kde-private.h:20: undefined reference to `vtable for SPKDEBridge' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Inkscape 0.35-pre0
by Bryce Harrington 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Since SourceForge CVS can be iffy for some people, I've cut a source tarball, that can be gotten here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 Unless anyone has any objections, we can consider it in feature-freeze for the next few days. Patches that fix compilation bugs, crashes, or solve packaging issues are encouraged at this time. We'll also be checking the bug tracker for critical or easily fixed issues. Bryce

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devel questions
by herve couvelard 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

hello, I was using sodipodi for svg and gis. for what i understood, it seems that the forked inkscape will, in the future match more my goals. I would like to help with some gis stuffs : area of path (closed ones), area of intersection of path. intersection of path (with beziers curves) scales and so more.... I am not a C developper, but i started to learn a little as wome of my code will merge in a php extension (work one use twice.) will inkscape turn into C++ ? (i didn't understand all of the thing ?) i think i understood it would use a plug-in mechanism to 'merge' functionnalities in the soft, that would be a nice feature. how could that change the way of coding ? I know that my last question might be really 'over-over-not-cool', but it would be very helpfull for me to start if someone could tell me (or point me somewhere) in few lines : how create a toolbox. how to affects action to a drawn-objet: ex running a script that change the color of a path how to collect action to a drawn object : ex where is the code that complete the position_toolbox. i understand that is a newb-dummy question, but the name of the function with its source files would be sufficient. i am used to php so i 'understand' a little c code, and i would gain really time and effort. Herve

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Feature notes
by Cédric GEMY 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

-- Sorry I wanted to send this in the feature request part of the site but I'm always timed out. After reading Some docs on the website here are may some clues : -Scribus is a DTP coded in C++ (but with Qt). it can work with Python Script. May be have a look at this could help doing the same in Inkscape. -If the later can be done, this will help eventually include some of good Sketch (written in Python) possibilities in Inkscape. - Also Scribus has good NodeTool, and good text tool featuring textbox (frame) or text on a path. cheers Cédric

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Re to hervé
by Cédric GEMY 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

-- Hi hervé, I can understand your trouble. As i know a bit of PHP too, I tryied to unerstand something to Sodipodi's source code (mais c'est déjà trop évolué avec plein de dépendances etc...). But I'm sure there will be things wonderfull to do with Sodipodi and more with Inkscape if it is really object-oriented. For Toolbox, i've simply to GTK site but the difficulty is to merge C file with the others (which we still have to understand). $$ Je peux comprendre que des gens qui connaissent déjà tout ça n'aient pas envie de jouer les profs $$ I suppose we could help each other (we 2), and may be will succeed in this. I've proposed Lauris Kaplinsky to work on ToolBox because I think it is not very reasonnable. May be that could be a beginning. $$ je suis français il semble que toi aussi, je ne regarde pas mes mails tous les jours mais tu peux me joindre directement radar.map35@...27... A+ Cédric

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Re : logo
by Cédric GEMY 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

This looks nice, but it reminds me Quicksilver logo PS. Inkscape birth announced on svgfr.net !

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remaining distcheck
by Nathan Hurst 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

ERROR: files left after distclean: ./inkscape.desktop ./src/libnr/nr_config.h ./intltool-extract ./intltool-merge ./intltool-update make[1]: *** [distcleancheck] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home2/njh/cvs/inkscape/inkscape-0.0/=build' make: *** [distcheck] Error 2

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Logo
by Bryce Harrington 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

http://www.rydia.net/~mental/inkscape-logo.png Bryce

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greetings...svgx.org
by michael bolger 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Greetings, have added an "item" link to your very fine project at http://www.svgx.org -a service provided by the SVG Foundation. great stuff ahead cheers michael bolger

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by abiola keazors 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

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celtic knot question
by Robert Crosbie 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Well my first post to the list, without actually having received a digest yet, is to ask Bryce how he made the over-under effect in the celtic knot in the screenshot. Celtic knots are a fascination of mine: http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/celtic_svg.htm (older drawings) I use SVG to create plans for my woodworking hobby. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/woodworking.htm I browsed the wiki and saw the celtic knot plugin idea. I'm naturally all for it. :) Douglas Zongker has a neet celtic knot generator using a tiling method with output in postscriot here: http://isotropic.org/uw/knot/ I really hope I can provide some input to inkscape in the future. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie PS. I hope there are no flag posts. :) _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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New to the scene
by Jon A.Cruz 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Hi. I've been lurking on the sodipodi scene for a while, but now am getting time to actually contribute. At the same time Inkscape appears! Anyway, I've worked a fair bit with GTKmm before, and I'll try to see if anyone is on Jabber tonight (evening PST).

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Jabber, Email, Wiki, and Website
by Bryce Harrington 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Communication is key for the success of any team effort, and in open source projects, written communication is critical for success. Briefly I'd like to explain the different communication channels we have, in case some are unfamiliar with them. === Jabber === Chat is a convenient, immediate, and free-form way of exchanging information, and we make heavy use of it. For fun we decided to try out Jabber and liked it enough that we've continued to use it. Details about getting started with it are on the website. We'd like to know if people would prefer IRC, though. If enough people cannot or do not wish to use Jabber, then we should switch to IRC. Please speak up if you have an opinion on this. If you have a good discussion in chat that you think others might be interested in, consider sending a copy of the log to the mailing list. === Email Lists === Email is preferred for information that needs wider visibility, such as things that will require discussion in preparation for making decisions. The mailing lists are also archived, so new developers can review past discussions to get up to speed. If you see or write a good email on a topic that people will wish to refer to longer in the future, consider pasting a copy of it into Wiki, so that it'll be easier for people to find and maintain later. === Wiki === Wiki is the new discussion medium we're introducing. A Wiki is a website that can be edited and added to by anyone. It's like a virtual whiteboard, and that's how we want to use it. It's good for gaining wide visibility and its more persistant than email (no having to browse through archives). Wiki's are great for capturing info quickly and semi-permanently, and for writing collaboratively. This makes them perfect for brainstorming and hashing out plans, designs, floating proposals, etc. Wiki's can get a bit chaotic over time, and for people with only a quick interest in the project they can be too much effort to search through for "official" information. So, if a page in Wiki becomes 'official' enough that it needs higher visibility and/or more formality, consider turning it into a proper web page. === Website === The website is simple flat HTML files, using SSI to put the header and footer on. It's stored in the CVS module inkscape_web. Anyone with CVS commit permissions can and is encouraged to make changes to the website. Changes to the website are posted to the inkscape-cvs@ mailing list. Each communication medium has its strengths and weaknesses. If we are all good about using them appropriately, and promoting information from one to the next where beneficial, it will give Inkscape a great communication infrastructure. Miscommunication is a leading cause of trouble in projects, so it is well worth our effort to work to prevent them from occurring. Bryce

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Exciting!
by Jonathan Phillips 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

I have to say that INKSCAPE is very exciting! I really dig the name and the opening up rather than the bottlenecking of development is going to help. EXCELLENT! jon -- Jon Phillips UCSD Graduate Researcher Computational Media PO BOX 948667 La Jolla, Ca 92037 858.361.2811 www.protofunk.org jon@...15...

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Re: Re: more infos
by Cédric GEMY 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

-- Sorry if we misunderstood, I've to improve my english. For the manual, if there is a different UI in Sodipodi and in Inkspace, there's no trouble, if fonctions are the same, files are the same. The only things to do is to create a different file for Inkscape in there's some difference. In fact, since the manual is written in XML Docbook, the only need is to add an attribute specifying if the information is going for Sodipodi or Inkscape. Pages are automatically generated following this. But this was just a idea. In the future I'll use sourceforge tools, ans less the mailing list. But on the site, I didn't find no direct link to trackers and forums I had to follow the links in the project info section of the wiki Cédric

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Re : more infos about Inkscape
by Cédric GEMY 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Hi Bryce and everybody, I knew that Sodipodi has to be transferred to C++, but not it'd become a new project. Will Inskape be a standalone project, at the end completeley different from Sodipodi. If it is the case, why did you decide to make this new project ? What will it include in the future ? Will it tend so interactivity or animations edition ? Will it be compliant with SVG sub-recommandations as SVG-print ( is that the 'Ink') or SVG-Mobile? Who are the people developping Inkscape ? Are other people needed ? In which case and particular need ? Etc... I can try helping if the code is reasonably commented. At this time I'm still working on Sodipodi User Manual. I'm considering it as a free document. Since Inkscape has the same features than Sodipodi, and if it is convincing you, it can be intergrated as Inkscape Documentation. Friendly, Cédric

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Updates to Inkscape website
by Bryce Harrington 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

I added super preliminary FAQ and screenshot pages, and fleshed out the homepage with some news items. http://www.inkscape.org/ Bryce

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