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0.91 performance when zoomed in (Saar Drimer)
by jelle 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

Saar, Can you take a look at the objects using the XML editor and see what that tells you? To me it sounds like you may have some opacity or blur filters still going on. Also when you use the no filter display, is it still the same? That should give a decent clue as to what is going on. Cheers, Jelle

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Fwd: Hackfest catering and venue information
by C R 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

Nice! There is also this traveling with me on the 11th (will get there about 12:00pm) http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/omgcoffee.jpg It's taking every ounce of resistance I have not to break it out. XD -C On 4 Apr 2016 6:40 pm, "Alex Valavanis" <valavanisalex@...400...> wrote: > Hi All, > > I have booked a dinner for the last night: Wednesday 13 April at 7pm > at the Cross Keys pub in Leeds. The menu (attached) is traditional > Yorkshire cuisine. > > Looking forward to seeing you in Leeds! > > Best wishes, > > > Alex > > On 31 March 2016 at 18:42, Alex Valavanis <valavanisalex@...400...> wrote: > > We have the venue from 9-5 each day, so let's say 9 on Monday. There are > a > > couple of friendly, and reasonably quiet pubs nearby if we want to carry > > things on informally after 5 though. > > > > AV > > > > On 31 Mar 2016 6:30 p.m., "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> What time should/can we start on Monday? > >> > >> Definitely interested in meeting for dinner on Sunday. > >> > >> Tav > >> > >> On Thu, 2016-03-31 at 12:12 +0100, Alex Valavanis wrote: > >> > [Can ignore if you're not attending the Hackfest!] > >> > > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > Some information about the Hackfest venue, and a request for your > >> > dietary requirements... > >> > > >> > == Venue == > >> > The Hackfest venue will be in the Evans Room at Devonshire Hall in > >> > the > >> > Hyde Park area of Leeds [1]. It is a traditional "Oxbridge style" > >> > stone-built hall. Our meeting room will accommodate 10 delegates. > >> > > >> > == Catering == > >> > A buffet lunch will be provided each day. I will suggest that we > >> > break for lunch at 1300 each day, unless there are any objections. > >> > Please let me know by tomorrow if you have any special dietary > >> > requirements. > >> > > >> > There will also be an unlimited supply of tea, coffee and biscuits. > >> > Sugar, milk and soy milk will be provided. > >> > > >> > == Facilities == > >> > * Wireless networking > >> > * UK mains power (remember to bring your own socket adapters if > >> > you're > >> > coming from outside the UK!!) > >> > * Data projector & screen > >> > * Flipchart and pens > >> > > >> > == Nearby amenities == > >> > There are a few pubs, bars, cafes and coffee shops 5 minutes walk > >> > away > >> > from the venue if we want a change of scenery. There is also a small > >> > convenience store. > >> > > >> > The venue is located on the Woodhouse Ridge nature trail if you want > >> > to step out for some fresh air [2]. > >> > > >> > == Local contact == > >> > I live within walking distance of the venue. Send me a message if > >> > you > >> > get stuck! I'll also be free on the Sunday evening before the > >> > Hackfest if anyone would like to meet for food/drink in Leeds City > >> > Centre. > >> > > >> > Best wishes, > >> > > >> > > >> > Alex > >> > > >> > [1] http://www.meetinleeds.co.uk/devonshire-hall > >> > [2] http://www.woodhouseridge.org.uk/ > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > ----------- > >> > Transform Data into Opportunity. > >> > Accelerate data analysis in your applications with > >> > Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. > >> > Click to learn more. > >> > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list > >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > >

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Hackfest catering and venue information
by Alex Valavanis 04 Apr '16

04 Apr '16

[Can ignore if you're not attending the Hackfest!] Hi All, Some information about the Hackfest venue, and a request for your dietary requirements... == Venue == The Hackfest venue will be in the Evans Room at Devonshire Hall in the Hyde Park area of Leeds [1]. It is a traditional "Oxbridge style" stone-built hall. Our meeting room will accommodate 10 delegates. == Catering == A buffet lunch will be provided each day. I will suggest that we break for lunch at 1300 each day, unless there are any objections. Please let me know by tomorrow if you have any special dietary requirements. There will also be an unlimited supply of tea, coffee and biscuits. Sugar, milk and soy milk will be provided. == Facilities == * Wireless networking * UK mains power (remember to bring your own socket adapters if you're coming from outside the UK!!) * Data projector & screen * Flipchart and pens == Nearby amenities == There are a few pubs, bars, cafes and coffee shops 5 minutes walk away from the venue if we want a change of scenery. There is also a small convenience store. The venue is located on the Woodhouse Ridge nature trail if you want to step out for some fresh air [2]. == Local contact == I live within walking distance of the venue. Send me a message if you get stuck! I'll also be free on the Sunday evening before the Hackfest if anyone would like to meet for food/drink in Leeds City Centre. Best wishes, Alex [1] http://www.meetinleeds.co.uk/devonshire-hall [2] http://www.woodhouseridge.org.uk/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Proposal for building Windows devlibs and for windows build environment setup
by Michael Soegtrop 02 Apr '16

02 Apr '16

Dear LRN, > 1) I would suggest MSYS2 to be used (instead of Cygwin), as a shortcut, as > it cuts down the number of packages that need to be built. Using MSYS2 > might also be faster (because compatibility layer will be thinner than Cygwin). I made quite extensive tests of cygwin with MinGW cross vs MSys2 and came to the conclusion that cygwin requires much less patching and messing around than MinGW for building most libs. The only advantage of MSys2 is that GTK and all its dependencies are available pre-built, but the MinGW GTK build on cygwin is fairly straight forward, it just takes build time. On cygwin I mostly use a generic download / configure / make / install shell function for building. Some libraries need a patch or two, but with cygwin this is the exception, not the rule. I think that maintainability and cleanliness is more important than build time, since most people won't touch the libs and build them at most once a quarter. As long as it is fully automated, I don't care if it takes 3 hours. Another reason I finally settled with cygwin is that the scripts are 99% identical to what is needed for a cross build on Linux. The deviations with MSys2 tend to be larger. But I guess this is a topic one can argue about forever. How about we share our scripts, experience and ideas and work on both MSys2 and cygwin+MinGW in parallel and see what is easier in the end? Most of the work is solving specific build issues and it would be great to have someone to discuss this. I would suggest that we take this off list. I send you my scripts stripped down to what is shared between inkscape and my original project later today via private mail. Best regards, Michael

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Git
by Krzysztof Kosiński 02 Apr '16

02 Apr '16

Eventually we probably need to move to Git. The user interface is completely atrocious, but the fact it works from a single directory by default is very convenient when using Eclipse, and Eclipse is an elephantine monstrosity but has good code navigation. This could also encourage more people to contribute, since almost all OSS developers know Git, while a very limited number know Bazaar at this point. The bug tracker and answer tracker should definitely stay on Launchpad, but what about the code? Should we use Launchpad's nascent Git support, or some other site like Github? What people think? We can convert lib2geom first and apply the lessons learned to Inkscape. Best regards, Krzysztof

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Proposal for building Windows devlibs and for windows build environment setup
by Michael Soegtrop 02 Apr '16

02 Apr '16

Dear Inkscape Team, I have a proposal for improving the delivery for the windows libs and for setting up a build environment. The current method of delivering binary libs has two disadvantages: 1.) it restricts the user to a very specific binary gcc build (at least the docs say so). 2.) it is tricky to check if this delivery method is GPL compliant. According to GPL if you deliver binaries you also have to deliver sources, and it is a lot of work to check all libs licenses and to check if all required sources are in the delivery. Please note that it is NOT sufficient to say "this is standard GPL software and you can download the sources from the official sources". If you delivery binaries, you have to deliver the sources. Now to my proposal: for another open source project I created 2 scripts: one which automatically sets up a fresh cygwin with MinGW cross support and whatever else is needed and another one which downloads and builds a bunch of libraries and apps from sources, including GTK, cairo and pango. About 70% of the libs inkscape requires are built by this script, so it wouldn't be that much work to add the remaining 30%. This does not just setup a build environment and builds everything automatically, it also documents exactly what was used and how it was built (and possibly patched). So my proposal would be to instead of delivering the libs as binaries and lengthy instructions just deliver these two scripts. The scripts are fairly simple and well documented. The build for inkscape and all its libs from scratch would likely be 2..3 hours on a decent machine. Would others appreciate such a mechanism to build inkscape on windows? Usually it would be a single call to a DOS batch file to setup cygwin and start the download and build process. Best regards, Michael

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Hackfest Topics and Agenda
by Tavmjong Bah 01 Apr '16

01 Apr '16

Hi all, We're getting close to the Hackfest. Please add your topics and agenda items to: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2016_Topics You don't have to be participating in the hackfest to add things! Thanks, Tav

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Fwd: CMake Windows build: should it work?
by Michael Soegtrop 01 Apr '16

01 Apr '16

Dear Inkscape Team, I was on travel an wanted to work a bit on my embroidery stuff on the way. Unfortunately I just had a Windows laptop with me and I found that building the latest trunk version on Windows with CMake doesn't work out of the box. First question: is this supposed to work or is CMake for Windows work in progress? I could only get it to build after adding a few libs. Also the order in which libs are given to the linker I had to change. The make install target just installs gettext stuff, nothing else, which makes it tricky to run the built exe. In case this is known to not work, any nobody is working on this, I could work on fixing this (I am already quite far). Otherwise are there some docs on how to configure it correctly with CMake on Windows? Best regards, Michael

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Board Meeting @ Friday Mar 4th, 2016
by Bryce Harrington 31 Mar '16

31 Mar '16

Let's plan on doing a short meeting tomorrow, March 4th. It'll be in #inkscape-devel at noon Pacific time (2000 UTC). http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Board_Meetings Shortened Agenda is: * Hackfest 2016 * GSoC 2016 * Other business If time permits we'll tackle some of remaining topics from last meeting, but I'd like to keep the meeting to under an hour for folks, and to reserve as much as necessary for the hackfest and gsoc planning work. Bryce

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Participation in LGM [Design]
by Xaviju Julián 29 Mar '16

29 Mar '16

Hi everyone! Since this year is the LGM and the hackfest it could be a good moment to meet personally with some of you and talk/learn about the Inkscape interface design. In a conversation with Ilmari, from the LibreOffice team, he pointed out that they currently have a design team with great results. A design team could (should!) also include developers, who like to hack on the UI and how functionality is presented to the user. We are also part of the Open Source Design community with tons of designers with interest in contributing but have little idea on how to start contributing to projects like Inkscape. This Design team could help new contributors to be useful on the current development. We really want to contribute to Inkscape with our skills :) Do you think it would be good to create an official Design team inside Inkscape? In a conversation with Jabier he suggested us to meet in the hackfest in Leeds, we are a group of 2-3 designers going to the LGM and, if you think it would be useful to meet in the hackfest, we could make it to Leeds on 13th (arriving 12th night). Thanks, looking forward to meet at the LGM! Xavi

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Inkscape with touch screens?
by Brynn 29 Mar '16

29 Mar '16

Hi Friends, Occassionally we've had a message in forums about using Inkscape with a touch screen. And in the past I've always answered "not yet". But now I'm shopping for a new laptop, and approx 90% of the laptops available in my RAM range (16 gb) are "2 in 1" types which have touch screens. I've had to search rather closely to find a non-touch screen! If I look in the lower range of RAM (around 6 gb) the available systems are roughly split between touch and non-touch screens. But even then, it gives the impression that touchscreen computers are much more common than I had imagined. The last time I bought a new computer, touchscreens were rare! Anyway, I wanted to ask the development community -- will Inkscape ever be made to work using a touch screen, or will it always be mouse (or graphics tablet/pen) driven (also commandline)? Or is using a touch screen essentially the same as a graphics tablet, and Inkscape is already touch-capable? Thanks for some clarity (answer doesn't need to be very technical) :-) Thank you very much, brynn

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Dbus implementation
by Raphaël Bournhonesque 27 Mar '16

27 Mar '16

Hello, I've noticed that a Dbus application was written during a former GSOC event (2009), and I was wondering why it was not included by default in Inkscape. Does the implementation still need some work? I would be glad to work on this if needed. Best, Raphaël

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Mirror Symmetry LPE
by Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz 27 Mar '16

27 Mar '16

Any one want to rebiew the resubmited LPE code to allow CRogers include it in his video for LGM? https://code.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/mirror-symetry-lpe-improv… Cheers, Jabier.

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support for gcode extensions
by Brynn 26 Mar '16

26 Mar '16

Hi Friends, I provide support for Inkscape daily, in bb style forums or occassionally in LP Answers. A couple of things are missing across the community. 1 - tutorials for using gcode tools, and 2 - support for questions and problems with those extensions. I know that the extensions all reference a single, 30-page topic in a Russian forum, as a place to get support. But we still are getting questions posted in other forums, that we just can't answer. Is there any other place where people can find support? Thanks, brynn

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Inkscape Hackfest: I'll bring teh coffeh
by C R 26 Mar '16

26 Mar '16

I have a small nespresso coffee-pod type coffee machine which fits nicely in a bit of hand luggage. I'm also willing to smuggle a truly questionable quantity of coffeepods to Leeds, since it seems most folks who are attending love coffee to some degree, and it's friggin miles to the nearest coffee chain stores. What I want to know is: who wants coffee, and how much per day. I'm going to bulk-order nespresso coffeepods (or reasonable facsimiles), which will get them cheaper than they would be otherwise. If you are attending the inkscape hackfest, and want coffee, just reply with your average per-day quota, and I'll add it all up to see how much to lug along. Also advise if you want other things like sugar, powdered milk, soy, cocoa, etc. Thanks! -C

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ANN: reproducible build & test virtual machine
by Olof Bjarnason 26 Mar '16

26 Mar '16

Hi Inkscape list! I've worked on a Vagrantfile* over the past few months, that is able to bring up a virtual build- and test machine for Inkscape. The VM is running on Lubuntu linux (lightweight Ubuntu) so you can actually run the inkscape binary produced by the build. You can, of course, modify the Inkscape source code within the VM, and rebuild. So if you got Vagrant and VirtualBox up and running, creating a development environment for Inkscape is just a "vagrant up" away. Because of this, it is relatively simple to develop Inkscape regardless on what OS&machine you are on, be it Windows, Mac or Linux - as long as you can install VirtualBox and Vagrant you are good to go. I'd love feedback and/or pull requests. https://github.com/objarni/inkup/ /Olof * The Vagrantfile is the "recipe" used to build a VM using Vagrant. Vagrant automates the creation and management of virtual machines on a computer. It supports VM ware, VirtualBox and more.

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Quick fix suggestion: Filter document "Page Size" options based on "display units" drop-down
by C R 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

Working on the video templates today and noticed that many of the options for template sizes that are present in the "New from template" dialogue are missing in the Document Properties options (including video templates). But... Rather than include a search (which may be nice but time-consuming as a fix). Why don't we include them all, but filter the options shown based on the units selected in the "display units". So if the user chooses "in" then show all options with dimensions listed in inches In my case, the template would naturally be in px for video, so having chosen "px", I'd get my 1080p template right away without having to open a new file (or remember that 1080 is the height rather than the width, which always gives me issues remembering "1920" for some reason). At the least, I think it should make the px values float to the top of the list, for convenience. The sizes are somewhat haphazardly listed at the moment. Thoughts? -C

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Linked offset broken in trunk
by C R 23 Mar '16

23 Mar '16

Hey, just noticed that linked offset now produces very bad results. I'm using Inkscape 0.91+devel r (Mar 14 2016) To reproduce results: 1. Draw any shape 2. Add a linked offset to the shape 3. Drag the linked offset handle out or in. Star and rounded rectangle example with linked offset here: http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/linked_ofset_problem.png As you can see the results are wavey/garbagey. Whatever changes were made to the linked offset modifier seem to have broken it pretty badly. :/ Thoughts? -C

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GSoC Student Applications & Submitting Patches
by Josh Andler 23 Mar '16

23 Mar '16

Hello Prospective Students, Since the application deadline is soon approaching, I figured I would send out a reminder. If you have not completed your proposal by the deadline, we cannot accept it. If you have not submitted the mandatory two patches by 2 weeks from today (April 6th), we cannot consider your proposal. If you have any questions, please let us know. Cheers, Josh

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Installing Inkscape nightly alongside stable 0.91 on Linux Mint 17.3
by jelle 23 Mar '16

23 Mar '16

Installing Inkscape nightly alongside stable 0.91 on Linux Mint 17.3 Is that possible? And if so, how exactly? Or does it install like that already? I'd rather not replace my stable release with the nighlies, but would like to be more active testing now I can finally report bugs. But I can also imagine wanting to use a nightly as production tool if the bugs can be avoided and the functionality gain warrants its use. I also wonder if some of the bug fixes couldn't be released as Bugfix package rather than to have to wait for a long time till the next stable release. I can imagine that to be a lot of work to keep track of though, so not sure about the feasibility of it. Or maybe some kind of recommended Beta update (as Inkscape is still Beta anyway), that has proven to have some improvements making it worth upgrading. Being able to use Shift+Del and Shift+Insert for text springs to mind as an particularly annoying omission in 0.91 (as years of usage has carved that path in my neural network) but fixed in later nightlies. Cheers, Jelle

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commit access to lib2geom?
by alvinpenner 23 Mar '16

23 Mar '16

Would it be possible to get commit access to lib2geom in github? I would like to commit a proposed fix for Bug 1545632. My username is alvinpenner. When I try to push a change I get the result: remote: Permission to inkscape/lib2geom.git denied to alvinpenner. fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/inkscape/lib2geom.git/': The requested URL returned error: 403 Thanks, Alvin -- View this message in context: http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/commit-access-to-lib2geom-tp4976146.html Sent from the Inkscape - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Better data structure for selections
by Adrian Boguszewski 23 Mar '16

23 Mar '16

Hello, I'm Adrian Boguszewski. I'm 5th year student in the field of Computer Science at Gdansk University of Technology, Poland. I'm interested in Better data structure for selections project. I have expierence with C++ and STL and I know many data structures (e.g. lists, trees, graphs, hash tables), their time and space complexities. Moreover I implemented some of them, during my studies, myself. I've already sucessfully compiled Inkscape and I'm going to start with learning the code and bugs fixing. Is there anything I should to know? Best regards, Adrian

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Fwd: GTK+ 3.20
by Krzysztof Kosiński 23 Mar '16

23 Mar '16

Heads up: GTK+ 3.20 will allow us to get rid of the Windows-specific file dialogs. Best regards, Krzysztof ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Matthias Clasen" <matthias.clasen@...400...> Date: Mar 21, 2016 7:01 PM Subject: GTK+ 3.20 To: <gnome-announce-list@...45...>, "gtk-devel-list" < gtk-devel-list@...45...>, "gtk-app-devel-list" < gtk-app-devel-list@...45...>, <gtk-list@...45...> Cc: GTK+ 3.20.0 is now available for download at: http://download.gnome.org/sources/gtk+/3.20/ sha256 sum: 1c3d3a4a6e959ec8636ccb074bcdb8fa25c81ec56fbc70de6a3f5ef83ba6d803 gtk+-3.20.0.tar.xz What is GTK+ ============ GTK+ is a multi-platform toolkit for creating graphical user interfaces. Offering a comprehensive set of widgets as well as facilities for creating your own widgets, GTK+ is suitable for projects ranging from small one-off tools to complete application suites. GTK+ has been designed from the ground up to support a range of languages, not only C/C++. Using GTK+ from languages such as Python, Vala and JavaScript (especially in combination with gobject-introspection and the Glade GUI builder) provides an effective method of rapid application development. GTK+ is free software and part of the GNU Project. However, the licensing terms for GTK+, the GNU LGPL, allow it to be used by all developers, including those developing proprietary software, without any license fees or royalties. Since its origins as the toolkit for the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP), GTK+ has been used in a wide range of software. Notably, GTK+ is the foundation of the GNOME desktop. What's new in 3.20 ================== Major new features include: * The CSS machinery now uses element names for widgets and their components * CSS margins, borders, padding and min-width and min-height are now much more consistently supported * CSS features that have been added: radial gradients, recoloring symbolic icons, image(), calc(), rem * Help overlays to document keyboard shortcuts and gestures * GTK+ now reads .XCompose files * GTK+ can use native file choosers on Windows * A HighContrastInverse theme has been added * The Wayland backend has full support for DND, kinetic scrolling, startup notification, primary selection, presenting windows, bell. * Deprecations and removals: Style properties, testing infrastructure, geometry support in window sizing, GdkDeviceManager, gtk_text_iter_begins_tag, gdk_display_get_screen For more details and lists of fixed bugs, see the NEWS file that is included in the tarball, or see: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/plain/NEWS?id=3.20.0 For concerns about porting from older GTK+ releases, see the README file that is included in the tarball, or see: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/plain/README.in?id=3.20.0 Where to get more information about GTK+ ======================================== Information about GTK+ including links to documentation can be found at: http://www.gtk.org/ An installation guide for GTK+ is found at: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk3/stable/gtk-building.html Common questions: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk3/stable/gtk-question-index.html Contributing ============ GTK+ is a large project and relies on voluntary contributions. We are actively searching for new contributors in various areas and invite everyone to help project development. If you are willing to participate, please subscribe to the project mailing lists to offer your help and read over our list of vacant project tasks: http://live.gnome.org/GTK+/Roadmap Thanks to the many people who contributed to this release in the form of bug reports, patches and translations. March 21, 2016 Matthias Clasen _______________________________________________ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@...45... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape with touch screens?
by jelle 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Took some time and the kind assistance of Maren to get this posted. Here is the example I tried to get to show. I think it works now, but I am not quite sure as I can't even get the CSS code to load from the site. Blame the Chinese govt and NSA for adding 1.8 seconds to my latency for a total time of 3 seconds to Europe. Yeah,.. timeout edge. My take on how the interface might evolve. https://inkscape.org/en/~chubbymoth/★minimalistic-inkscape-interface Cheers, Jelle

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape with touch screens?
by jelle 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Well,.. Considering the move to put some effort into a new UI design, I say we could combine > Customisable UI with >Inkscape that works on tablet. It wouldn't need to be a whole new version, a new screen setting called blank slate, with nothing but some floating dockable tool widgets. For tablets, a customisable UI would do the trick. Hell, just a customisable toolbox would do the trick, for starters. If you can initiate a widget to appear on screen now, I cannot imagine it to be that difficult to create some buttons named ABC etc. that when clicked executes a key combo, that you could just add to the default one. Ehm,.. better still if you could replace the default options (such as tweek, star, spiral and 3d box) with something you actually would like to use and/or change the locations of such tools so something like the bucket fill tool and color dropper don drop of my low res screen. Those are nice gadgets, but the past 13 years I've hardly ever used them. A golden ratio drawing tool would make more sense to me than the spiral. It would also allow for some of the those useful LPE's and extensions to find a place on the desktop rather than hidden in the drop down menu. So would I rather increase the productivity of Inkscape than add more options? Yes, I would! Reorganising the UI to my idea is at the same level of importance as optimising code considering the plethora of hard to access options we already have, but hardly use. Call me a point and click addict if you like, but having a visual reference is important to me. Keyboard mappings don't stay in my Alzheimer brain. >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:20 PM, William Adams <will.adams@...3004...> >> wrote: >>> I have to run a small button bar utility on my Toshiba >>> Encore 2 Write 10 which provides Alt/Shift/Ctrl/Space/Tab/Enter keys. William, Could you tell me where you found this button bar utility? So far I have never been able to find anything usable for that except full keyboards or numerical pads. Just a small bar would be quite useful already. Cheers, Jelle

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