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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Article followup
by bulia byak 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

>As far as I know, the toolbar improvements are done in 2.4, the thing they >want to merge for 2.6 is the toolbar editing system currently in libegg. >Epiphany uses it and it's extremely sweet. Thanks for the pointer. I think we'll want editable toolbars eventually, but at least for 0.39 we can do without. It's more work at the moment to edit most icons so they look decent on the toolbar. If anyone feels like plugging in libegg, if course, they're welcome. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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L10n questions
by Arpad Biro 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

Hi, I have a few questions as to what certain UI strings mean: #: src/dialogs/find.cpp:541 "Search paths, lines, polylines" What are "polylines"? -------------------------------- #: src/sp-typeset.cpp:387 "typeset object" Where does this string appear? Is "typeset" a verb here? -------------------------------- #: src/splivarot.cpp:536 "Select some paths to outline." #: src/splivarot.cpp:733 "No stroked paths to outline in the selection." What does "to outline" mean here? -------------------------------- #: src/verbs.cpp:962 "Ru_lers" #: src/verbs.cpp:962 "Show or hide rulers" #: src/verbs.cpp:963 "Show or hide scrollbars" #: src/verbs.cpp:982 "_New View Preview" #: src/verbs.cpp:983 "New View Preview" Where are these 5 strings used? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fill and Stroke Dialog
by bulia byak 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

>I'd suggest to just go and use the system eye-dropper cursor! We have many different cursors, and need even more. Most of them are not available from the system. So I would prefer all our cursors to be consistent across application, instead of some of them being system (which may be a wildly different style) and some custom. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Inkscape Layers
by bulia byak 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

>Grouping is used to lock relative position of items and for scaling them >all together. We're not speaking about using user-visible groups as layers. We just want to use the <g> element with a certain extension attribute to work as a layer. This approach deals with the z-order and other layer issues quite straightforwardly, and will be consistent with the UI of most other vector apps (maybe even richer, because we can have hierarchical layers). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Article followup
by bulia byak 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

>* Resizing objects resizes their line width. For the online comic, I'm >aiming to use a constant style, which includes a fixed line-width for >all of the shapes. Adjusting line-widths on every resize is very >frustrating - if this were modal (modified with a keypress, or via a >setting), it would be a great improvement. Done in CVS, although needs a bit more work >* Copy/paste between Inkscape instances seems broken. I had planned to >use one Inkscape document like a clipboard of comic bits (similar to >Visio's stencils), but I couldn't get cut/paste to work. Yes, we don't use system clipboard, although we really should. Needs work. By the way, does anyone know of any library functions that would make this possible? I've searched through glib and gtk but found nothing. >* There is no 'application' toobar. I have a habit of clicking on save >from time to time (even though I also use ctrl-s). I haven't found a >standard toolbar. Planned. Actually it's an easy thing to do, but I heard about improvements in toolbar handling in gtk 2.6 and wanted to wait until we support it. But now that full customizability of window interface is in place (in CVS), I think I'll go on and assemble a "commands" toolbar for 0.39. >* Snap-to is a bit too snappy. Some applications have a snap-to that >allows both fine-positioning /and/ snap-to at the same time. One such >application uses a modifier key while dragging objects (shift iirc), and >another is just nice about its snappyness. We now have in CVS a temporary no-snap mode when dragging with Alt. Needs to be made to use Shift and improved (should affect nodes in node tool as well). Carl, are you working on that? >* The text properties are not applied in real-time. Nearly every time I >modify the text properties of a chunk of text, I forget to click apply. >Other similar applications apply these changes in real-time. I'm sure >there's a performance (or other) reason why this isn't the case, but it >results in many "D'Oh!"s. That's going to be fixed when we have a top panel for text tool with most of the controls, all of which will be instant-apply. The dialog will be rarely needed then. >* A user-defined palette. The colour wheels and sliders are great for >picking colours, but I'm usually working with a very particular set of >colours (and I'll work with those colours for many weeks). I've worked >around this by drawing my own palette on the diagram, which I use >instead. Right now in CVS it's slightly improved in that you can use the dropper tool always, and apply its picked color to either fill or stroke (with shift). So you can have a "palette" in your document and easily pick all your colors from it without ever opening fill&stroke dialog. But of course we need a real palette. The good news is that I now have a complete plan of how to achieve that, and working on that (the dropper is the first step). >* Persisted document properties. For every document I create, I find I >have to make the same set of tweaks to the document settings. It would >be really handy if this were persisted by Inkscape, and applied to each >document created. I.e. you want document templates for File->New. Also in our plans. It's a relatively easy project so if anyone feels like doing it, that would be great. >* A stencil-mechanism. I'd like to be able to save bits of drawings >that I could reuse later (cartoon bubbles/balloons, strip outlines, >etc.) I.e. defining symbols. It's not difficult from the SVG perspective, but the difficult part is that we need a new table-like widget for previewing and choosing the symbols. The same widget would be good to use for markers, instead of the bulky menus. Any ideas welcome. (For example, what does Nautilus use when it displays files as icons? Is this a standard widget?) >* A way to import bitmaps easily. One useful tool for an illustrator is >to be able to trace over a sketch loaded in the background (or in a >box). I've never really liked auto-trace tools, so just the ability to >load a bitmap into a box would be incredibly useful. There are some improvements in this area in CVS (imported bitmaps are now rects that can be node-edited, etc.). I'm now working on that. Summary: it's a bit early to boast about our usability I think. We made (barely) usable the stuff we have, but there are still too many functionality and usability gaps that are complained about again and again. We need more enthusiastic coders! :) _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/

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[Fwd: [Sodipodi-list] Python extensions for Sodipodi]
by Jon Phillips 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

from sodi list: -----Forwarded Message----- > From: John Stracke <francis+keyword+sodipodi.6389c0@...99...> > To: Sodipodi <sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: [Sodipodi-list] Python extensions for Sodipodi > Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:28:12 -0400 > > I've been wanting a scripting language for Sodipodi for some time (like > the Scheme scripting for the GIMP), so I started work on some extensions > to support Python scripting. I've attached the patch (against the > current CVS tip), which basically does a proof-of-concept: it adds a > "Py" menu to the main menubar, with some commands written in Python. > Obviously, if we decide to go down this path, we'll need some better > integration--at the moment, those commands are all hard-coded in > src/sodipodi.py; we need some way to have the user write their own > Python without having to reinstall Sodipodi. > > At the moment, not all of the subclasses of SPItem are exposed; only > SPText is. One of the example commands makes use of SPText to do word > wrapping (although, at the moment, the width to wrap to is hard-coded). > > To apply the patch, first update to the CVS tip. Then extract the > tarfile in the top-level sodipodi directory; this will give you a bunch > of new source files, plus python.patch, which you can apply with: > > patch -p1 <python.patch > > Now you need to rerun autogen.sh (because there are some changes to > configure.in): > > ./autogen.sh --with-python > > (Unless you specify --with-python, to autogen.sh or configure, it will > default to not including the Python extensions, for safety's sake.) Now > just make and run. > > You will need to cd to src in order to run, unless you install; it > expects to find sodipodi.py either in the current directory or in the > place where it gets installed. If you've got a version configured > --with-python, and you want to run without Python, you can pass > --without-python on the sodipodi command line. > > So. What do you guys think? Shall we work on this? > > /=================================================================\ > |John Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |HTML OK | > |Francois Thibault |============================================| > |East Kingdom |If we don't believe in freedom of expression| > |francis@...99...|for people we despise, we don't believe in | > | |it at all. -- Noam Chomsky | > \=================================================================/ > My medieval art for sale: http://www.thibault.org/store/ -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Re: bitmap fill patch
by bulia byak 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

Finally had time to look at it... but it seems incomplete: ends in the middle of paint-selector, and the patched source does not compile (sp_paint_selector_system_color_set undeclared etc.) Please rediff. (I promise to review it quickly this time :) Also, the patch has many regressions in that variable declarations are moved from first-use up to the top of the function. Why did you do that, or is it because you diffed against a newer version? Please do not include such changes in the diff. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Fill and Stroke Dialog
by bulia byak 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

>I was playing around with the June 4th Win32 build and I noticed that the >Fill and Stroke dialog is slow to come up. I haven't been using all of the >daily builds, so I don't know where the problem started, but the dialog is >snappy for me in 0.38. Also, changing the colors in the dialog is less >smooth. The other dialogs seem just fine. It's because the marker menus need time to generate the marker previews. >By the way, the working eyedropper is great. I like that it keeps things >real simple. How would people feel if it used a crosshair rather than the >white arrow. Sure, we need a new complete set of mouse cursors for all tools. The current set is ugly and incomplete. Jon was planning to do this; any other volunteers are welcome too, of course. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Pango Discussion
by Bryce Harrington 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

Pangoification Discussion ------------------------- This is a summary of a discussion between mental, bulia and fred on Jabber regarding adoption of Pango and the issues involved. The principle issue we are facing at this time is that while many of the Pango issues we've identified seem to have doable work-arounds, it's become a little unclear what our eventual goal design-wise is with it in the long term. Specifically, Pango likes to grid-fit its layouts, which makes it a bit inflexible for things like getting undistorted outlines and layouts. Vertical Text ============= Pango does well with horizontal text but Fred had a question about how multi-byte characters are handled. E.g., an A with an umlaut requires two bytes. Would this render as a single character entity or as two? Certainly we wouldn't want the system to resort to putting the A and umlaut on separate lines. Mental explained that Pango provides routines for determining how many "codepoints" makes up a particular character. When you pass this routine a UTF-8 string pointer, it will return the pointer advanced by the next full character. A codepoint can consist of one or more bytes. one or more codepoints define a 'glyph'. One or more glyphs define a character. A glyph like an umlauts is an example of a "composing character". Fonts combine these composing characters with other base characters to form the various characters particular to a given language. It looks like pango_layout_move_cursor_visually() would be used to determine the positioning of vertical text. This won't be simple if we don't use the Pango glyph positioning. For more info see: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/pango/pango-Layout-Objects.html#pang… For our own work this suggests we may need to create PangoLayouts to do our own specialized layout. Kerning Abilities ================= Control over font kerning is important for Inkscape yet it is uncertain if Pango provides this control. For letter spacing we need to be able to: * Measure strings * Count characters * Handle pairwise kerning * Glyph width (for things like text-on-path) Currently, sp-chars creates a NRArenaGlyphGroup for each string, tied to one NRRasterFont, but for things like text-on-path we'll want to have unique transforms for each character. We do not want to have to create a separate GlyphGroup for each glyph though, so need a better solution to this. The question came up about whether we can eliminate NRRasterFont. This appears to be a necessary step in the pipline, because it is where the transform is taken into account and where glyph caching occurs. There is a question about whether glyph caching is really necessary, or if we could do direct rendering and use performance analysis to determine where such optimizations are really necessary, but since text always has such massive redundancy, caching is likely to prove quite necessary. Win32 Testing ============= We've very concerned that bugs in font handling are going to reproduce quickly on different platforms unless they're closely tracked by developers on those platforms. Is adopting Pango worth enduring those platform issues?

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new illustrator screenshots
by Jon Phillips 05 Jun '04

05 Jun '04

Hello all, I finally got some these illustrator screenshots off my parents laptop I took in December. I posted to the wiki and they are available here: http://cabbage.ucsd.edu/~phillipsjd/media/adobeIllustrator10-win32/ I hope these help in comparing our user interface and in planning out new additions. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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