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RE: Inkscape minor changes I'd like before the next release (if acceptable)
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

>Even though you can think of Inkscape of currently only having one page I >think having 'page up' and 'page down' do just that is best. (Even given >the importance of Layers in the GIMP I dont think they should be stealing >Page Up and Page Down either and that they should use a differnt >shortcut). None of the vector editors I know uses pgup/pgdn for panning canvas. It's just a foreign concept for a two-dimensional one-page canvas. How would you define the "page" to scroll if what you have before you is just one page? > > "Tools" is vague. "Dialogs" is exactly what this menu contains. I see no > > reason for a change. > >Consistancey with about a Zillion applications ... You can talk about consistency in naming when the functions are similar. What other apps call "tools" is different. E.g. Illustrator has a similar menu used to open various dialogs, but it's called View, not Tools. (And View is obviously more vague and confusing than Dialogs.) > > See KeyboardProfiles - if you care about Illustrator, plan a profile as > > described on that page. I promise to implement loading keys from a file >as > > soon as we have two complete profiles of different mainstream editors. > >I will still push for the defaults to be as much possible like Adobe >Illustrator or failing that another well established piece of professional >graphics software so that at least one large userbase will be able to >migrate relatively easily to Inkscape. You're welcome. Just don't forget to consult (and test) the current Inkscape shortcuts, and make sure your proposal does not infringe on (or gracefully resolves) other shortcuts - because by now, a lot of keys are already taken. >Lots of new and unique keybindings >is the worst of all worlds. Sorry but to me, lots of convenient shortcuts are what matters most, and their consistency with other apps is secondary. That's what keyboard profiles are for. (See Wiki.) Especially given that we now have quite a few shortcuts for which other apps have no equivalent at all. For example Illustrator cannot move by single pixel, cannot scale or rotate by keyboard, cannot edit nodes by keyboard - I find it very frustrating when I have to work in Illustrator. > > File > Import? > >That was among the things I tried but that didn't work. I will test. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: default document
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

>So what do you think then about just adding the keyboard shortcuts as >this type of tutorial, with the key graphics I created sometime ago. Where are these graphics? Can you send them to me? >NOTE: Basically, we could even have an "open template," where we could >have sets of template svgs of different documents where people could >select like--standard icon, or letter, or A4, or stationary, or a style Yes, but that's another matter. I'm now working on Help menu. >Hmmm...what do you recommend now for the keyboard shortcuts/manpage. Not sure about manpage (maybe we can live without it in the Help menu, now that we have a tutorial), but I'm working on shortcuts as an SVG reference sheet. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: More whinging about shortcuts and keybindings ;)
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

>Is it part of the plan that the item "Dialogs, Tool Options" be merged >into the secondary toolbar? I think I recall it being mentioned. Yes. It's in the plans. > > > > See KeyboardProfiles - if you care about Illustrator, plan a profile >as > > > > described on that page. I promise to implement loading keys from a >file > > >as soon as we have two complete profiles of different mainstream >editors. > >If you clarify what exactly you mean by "complete profile" I might be able >to do something, I'm pretty sure the Adobe Illustrator documentation lists >all the keybindings. See http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardProfiles, section "What is to be done". Basically you need to compile a list of keybindings with a classification of their applicability to Inkscape. >I would hope that you will remain flexible and not reject changes just >because Inkscape has been doing something a certain way before (of course >when Inkscape has been around longer I'd accept this arguement >occasionally). Sure :) >View, Grid #" is a bad keybinding for Americans. if i recall correctly ># is Shift+3 on an American keyboard. What's bad with it being easy to remember? Can you find any key that looks more like a grid than #? >Also the label should probably be >changed to Show Grid (and similarly Show Rulers and Show Scrollbars). Yes, but then it must be Show/Hide, which is bulky. The menu needs to be redone so that the labels are dynamic, e.g. showing "Show grid" when no grid and "Hide grid" otherwise. Until then, let it be just "Grid". >I'd also recommend avoiding single letter keybindings for most things >except the tools (but I wont be surprised if you dont think the >Function keys should be changed either). I don't know - that depends on the strength of your arguments :) >For similar reasons I'm not sure about the keybindings for >Next Zoom Shift+' >Prev Zoom ' Your proposal being? >(abbreviations definately not allowed!) You mean, in the menu? I think we can take an exception, Prev is easy to understand next to Next, and they line up nicely. >but I find the whole idea a bit odd, it is like a seperate undo history >for Zoom which is not something I've seen before. Xara has a "previous zoom" command which is very convenient. Unfortunately it only takes you back to previous zoom and not further, which is why I decided to carry the idea further and implement a complete zoom history. I now use it all the time. >Group and Ungroup use the shortcuts Ctrl+G and Ctrl+U respectively which >are reasonable. But given the shortage of avialable keys, the Gnome HIG, >and the keybindings used by Adobe Illustrator I would suggest >you consider changing it to Ctrl+Shift+G for Ungroup. This might make sense, if you propose a compelling function for Ctrl+U. Otherwise, why disrupt? Ctrl+Shift+G for Ungroup works already exactly as Ctrl+U. >The Gnome HIG recommends the principle of using the Shifted version of a >keybinding for the inverse or for related tasks. >http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/draft_hig_new/input-keyboard.ht… >"Use Shift-Ctrl-letter for functions that reverse or extend another >function. For example, Ctrl-Z and Shift-Ctrl-Z for Undo and Redo." We support exactly that. >Getting distracted again I notice Inkscape has "Clear All" which is >grouped beside select all and I mistakenly thought it meant clear >the selection i.e. "Select None". That's a good point. I think makes sense indeed to replace "clear all" with a "deselect" command. Adding that to TODO. > > > > File > Import? >Tried agian with a more recent build from today and I still cannot import >any images (tried jpegs png and bitmaps). Please submit a bug with detailed description. >For all my complaining I really do like Inkscape and I appreciate all the >work you all put into it. We sometimes forget to thank people for >all their great work so, "Thanks for the software". You're welcome :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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gtk wheel
by Jonathan Phillips 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

I also make a motion to remove the GTK color that makes the fill/stroke palette to massive in the release. Agree? Disagree? Obviously, we will add back in once the custom gtk color wheel is finished. Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: fullscreen
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

> > - on my KDE 3.14, fullscreen only works properly when there are no > > other maximized windows. If there's a maximized window and an Inkscape > > window over it, then calling fullscreen results in unending flashing > > of these two windows - this can only be stopped by killing > > Inkscape. Anyone else having this problem? > > > >This is a window manager related issue depending on WM_HINTS etc. (Xlib) >It works in sawfish, which is more tied in with gtk. I'll see if I can >disable >it somehow or change the X properties of a window. Now that I've checked, the fullscreen in Gimp 1.3.23 exhibits the same behavior. So, please try to tweak what you can, but it may well be unfixable with the current versions of GTK or KDE. Hopefully this will be resolved sometime in the future... > > - when I open new document windows from a fullscreen window, they are > > sometimes on top of it but sometimes they sink under the fullscreen > > window (can't guess what is the algorithm here). > > > >Hm, no idea, could it be window focus rules ? Maybe. I'll try to investigate. Thanks for the contribution, please keep up the good work! :) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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fullscreen rocks
by Jonathan Phillips 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Fullscreen rocks! I think we should add a toggle switch to the bottom of the doc. window next to the zoom toggle, possibly to the left of it. When you get into hardcore design work, it is good to have a switch to that. Great WORK jceuppan...did we give him dev. access yet? jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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Re: default document
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

>my attempt is in cvs under doc/default.svg. I'd be most grateful if >someone with some time and skill could polish it up. Good idea, it should be added to the Help menu when it's ready (it's even simpler than adding a keyboard shortcuts page - no need to run a browser). Start it with how to scroll/zoom around and how to select things. Then, creating basic shapes; transforms with selector; changing fill and stroke; opening/saving; node tool; text tool; etc. The order is approximate, of course. >It would also be good to work out how to make the tutorial start at a >reasonable size, near the top. Just save it, and next time it will come up with this zoom/view/window size. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] can't compile
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

>select-context.cpp: In function `gint >sp_select_context_root_handler(SPEventContext*, GdkEvent*)': >select-context.cpp:386: error: cannot convert `const NR::Point' to `double' >for argument `2' to `void sp_rubberband_start(SPDesktop*, double, double)' >make[3]: *** [select-context.o] Error 1 Oh my. It's yesterday's message. Please ignore, it's fixed now. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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GUADEC logo invitation
by David Neary 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hey there, The fifth annual GNOME conference, GUADEC [GNOME Users and Developers European Conference], will be held in Kristiansand 28-30.June, 2004. We need a logo for the event. Ideally we are looking for a logo including the GNOME footage with a local Norwegian touch. If you are interested in helping out please send your proposal to guadec-planning@...45... as soon as possible. The logo will be used for promotion, on website, t-shirts etc.. Since the logo will be used on material of many different sizes, proposals should be in a vector format if possible. All proposals will be on display on the website of the conference. Many thanks, The GVADEC V Team You can check out some more information on the GUADEC website at http://2004.guadec.org/

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banner printing
by Robert Crosbie 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hi all, I have a 8.25 x 40" svg graphic that I want to print as a template for a scrollsaw project. I'd like to try and print it out on 8.5x14 paper which I can then tape together for my template. Is there any way to do this using inkscape or some other means under Linux. I have to admint, I'm not familiar with inkscapes printing mechanism because I always export my images to bitmaps and use gimp for final manipulations before printing. Thanks, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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