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Re: [Inkscape-devel] bugs bugs bugs
by Robert Crosbie 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Of course. See my Stability section in Wiki. Simply starting and quitting inkscape will leave over 3 megs of unfreed memory on my machine! Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: "Jon A. Cruz" <jon@...18...> >To: Robert Crosbie <swingincelt@...19...> >CC: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] bugs bugs bugs >Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:57:59 -0800 > >Robert Crosbie wrote: > >> >>Relating to hammering out the bugs, I tried to compile inkscape with >>ElectricFence last night, but couldn't get inkscape to compile with it. I >>didn't have time to debug it, so I gave up and reverted back to my >>original configuration when it failed. > > >As an alternative, you might try running with valgrind. > >http://valgrind.kde.org/ > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. >Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it >help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help >YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] bugs bugs bugs
by Robert Crosbie 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Relating to hammering out the bugs, I tried to compile inkscape with ElectricFence last night, but couldn't get inkscape to compile with it. I didn't have time to debug it, so I gave up and reverted back to my original configuration when it failed. If anyone else would like to try and get it to work, I'm sure it would help us in the long run. There definately are a lot of memory management issues. I simply borrowed some efence code from another projects configure.in, ran 'autogen.sh --with-efence' and tried to remake inkscape. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1...> >To: <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] bugs bugs bugs >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:36:10 -0800 (PST) > >On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, bulia byak wrote: > > I just put Inscape to a little real-world usability test by drawing > > several diagrams. While there are many small interface improvements I > > could think up for myself, the biggest problem were bugs. More > > specifically, two kinds of bugs: the undo bugs and save bugs. You run > > into them very often. I don't think we can release 0.36 with them. I > > urge everyone to please go to the tracker and fix as many as you > > can. Some of them must be pretty simple. > >Yes, this is an issue we'll need to hammer down prior to making a >release. > >But it isn't cause for alarm yet; this is normal for the development >process we're using. Since so many of us are working directly on the >codebase, it's going to get messy. This is why tracking, feature >freezing and bug hunts are critical parts of the process. (This is also >why modularity and testing frameworks are very important.) > >It is also important that we always test out each other's code. It's >very easy for us to focus on our own area of interest in the code, but >if we're going to succeed as a team, we do best to take some time to >review each other's work. Review is good for morale, good for quality, >and good for knowledge-transfer. > >So for right now, when anyone finds a bug, make sure it is listed in the >bug tracker at an appropriate criticality ranking, so we can be sure we >are not releasing Inkscape 0.36 with any critical bugs. > >Bryce > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. >Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it >help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help >YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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more BORKEN comments
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Mental, thanks for moving the secondary toolbar to the top. Now, like I said, it would be nice to move all tool options there (and remove the "tool options") dialog. However, this is not to be done indiscriminately, and other dialogs' content is sometimes appropriate for this secondary toolbar. I started a Wiki page, SecondaryToolbar - please review and add your ideas or comments. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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BORKEN comments
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I finally upgraded my Mandrake so I could compile the BORKEN branch. Overall, very good work, thanks! I have only one suggestion: Can we please move the second toolbar with tool-specific buttons to the top of the window, making it a horizontal toolbar under the menu? Here are the advantages: - With two vertical toolbars side by side, it's not quite clear that the second is auxiliary to the first. The second one looks like a continuation of the first. When the toolbars are orthogonal, it's more intuitive IMHO. - With maximized window, two docked toolbars at left leave too much unused space beneath them. - If we make the auxiliary toolbar horizontal, we may not limit it to buttons only. In fact, the entire contents of the "tool options" dialog can be moved to that horizontal bar too. Then everything in that secondary toolbar, including both buttons and text fields, will change in concert upon tool switching, but the toolbar itself won't disappear or reappear (although it may be empty for some tools). I think it will be both convenient and intuitive. I did not invent this; what is described above is exactly the interface approach of Xara X. (Which is, by the way, despite its lack of SVG support, by far the most convenient and usable vector application I've ever seen. Way more convenient than Illustrator, and I'm not alone in that assessment. If we must imitate any one program, I'd choose Xara any day.) --bb -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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keyboard issues
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

1. I fixed editability of text fields in the fill&stroke dialog (that was my error). I also added moving focus to the document when you press Enter in any of the fields (in that dialog only, for now). Now the dialog is completely usable by keyboard. Question: do we want to similarly move focus to the document upon activation of any other widgets, e.g. buttons? 2. This change gives me one more reason to not make dialog shortcuts toggles. This discussion is now on the KeyboardShortcutsToDo wiki page; please read and comment. Overall, I think the arguments against toggles are now more persuasive. 3. Several people suggested that making keyboard shortcuts user-modifiable and providing "profiles" imitating other vector editors. This is an attractive idea but there are some issues. I added a brief overview of this to the KeyboardShortcutsToDo. P.S. One of my messages seems to be lost - I don't see it in the list. Here it is again: There's a new release of Sodipodi. Looks like there are many changes there, and while most of them are in the internals (which I'm no expert in) some are in UI and I'd like to port at least some of them to Inkscape. Anyone else feeling that may be a good idea? Maybe we can add to the roadmap "review and merge good changes from Sodipodi"? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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bugs bugs bugs
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I just put Inscape to a little real-world usability test by drawing several diagrams. While there are many small interface improvements I could think up for myself, the biggest problem were bugs. More specifically, two kinds of bugs: the undo bugs and save bugs. You run into them very often. I don't think we can release 0.36 with them. I urge everyone to please go to the tracker and fix as many as you can. Some of them must be pretty simple. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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keys svg file
by Jonathan Phillips 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Oops...sent without attachment...Here are the SVG keys. jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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key bindings and documentation
by Nathan Hurst 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Would someone with two artistic neurons to rub together put together an SVG of a keyboard key with a place to put the letter symbol and some control, shift etc keys? This would make bulia's keybindings page look very professional! just a thought, njh

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key graphics
by Jonathan Phillips 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I'm creating the key graphics. I'm sending this so that work is not duplicated. thx, jon -- Jon Phillips UCSD Graduate Researcher Computational Media PO BOX 948667 La Jolla, Ca 92037 858.361.2811 www.protofunk.org jon@...15...

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drag tolerance
by bulia byak 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

To complement teh cursor tolerance that affects grabbing, I added another option, drag tolerance. Currently it only affects mouse drags in selector. Any mouse drag which is smaller than the tolerance (in screen pixels) is ignored and is interpreted as a click. To me, this makes it much easier to select objects with mouse and especially tablet, as well as switching handles from scale to rotation, by eliminating the small accidental object drags that are very annoying. The default value for this option is 4 pixels. Please test the latest CVS and report if you like the change, and if so, what value is the best for you. There's no UI for changing the value yet but you can edit it in preferences.xml: <group id="dragtolerance" value="4.0"/> and then restart Inkscape. By the way I also wrote most of the HandlingPreferences tutorial on Wiki. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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