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"Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG Font Editor?
by Dave Crossland 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Hi, (I've blogged this at http://understandinglimited.com/2008/06/09/proposing-inkforge/) I hope I can inspire people to patch Inkscape to make it suitable for drawing type :-) SVG Fonts isn't supported much anywhere, but Chris Lilley's talk at LGM2008 has got me thinking :-) Could Inkscape become an SVG Font Editor? Designing type involves working at four scales: A. designing individual letters ("drawing letters") B. designing letters that look like they belong together ("drawing type") C. designing letters that fit together to form words ("designing metrics") D. designing letters that fit together to form paragraphs ("looking at typeset text") I think Inkscape could be good at all four of these. Inkscape already has a template "fontforge_glyph" that sets up a canvas suitable for drawing a single letter - (A) One way of making (B) possible could be through layers. SVG has "svg fonts" already, and this could work by having each glyph appear to be a layer. It would be possible to write a simple program to output an XML tree with the glyphs you want to design, and have a bunch of SVG Font templates for various common scripts. For this to really be useful though, Inkscape needs to have a new kind of layer-specific guideline. Inkscape doesn't appear to have this right now, but since it has global ones, this ought to be simple to add. (If it isn't again the SVG spec, it can be in the Inkscape-specific namespace.) Then, if the layers palette and "duplicate window" features could be extended to make it easy to compare layers (and thus glyphs) - stacking them, seeing them side by side, and so on. The FontForge tutorial at http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/editexample5.html explains a little about designing metrics - (C). Having the left and right bearings appear as the page size (width) would be simple - and then Inkscape would be extended to allow changing the page size's width directly on the canvas, instead of via the document properties dialog, so just like moving a guideline. But perhaps having layers with different page sizes is against the SVG spec… Although that would be the most straightforward way of setting the sidebearings from a UI perspective, if that isn't possible, having the metrics appear as layer-specific guides with "left bearing" and "right bearing" IDs or Class could do the same job easily enough. But what is really needed is to create a special "metrics" dialog. This could re-use the "duplicate window" feature to grab the glyph's outline and render it on another canvas, a special one where the left and right bearings can be adjusted in the context of several letters next to each other in a word. (Again, see the FontForge tutorial if you're not familiar with font editor programs.) For typesetting text with the font, it would be straightforward to write some (python) glue scripts that open the SVG Font within FontForge, compile it into a system font format (Type 1, OpenType CFF) and then generate a PDF 'specimen' sheet to be printed. But eventually Inkscape will have to be able to render SVG Fonts directly on the canvas, and then it will be simple to have a "paragraph view" layer with some text that uses the glyphs from the self SVG. -- Regards, Dave I support www.gnuherds.org - democratic free software jobs

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FireFox (FF2 and FF3)
by Jan Homan 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Regarding SVG support in FireFox, after some testing we came to the following conclusions. (1) tspan is used to position each character (more) precisely on a page (for example if a text string uses kerning) As far as we can tell is that FireFox (FF2 and FF3) does not support this feature. It just ignores the tspan commands. (2) FF2 does not support multiple spaces in string. It looks like FF2 ignores the additional spaces between the words. Any remarks/suggestions are very much appreciated. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: inkscape-devel-bounces(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net]Namens Jan Homan Verzonden: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:29 PM Aan: Chris Lilley; Felipe Sanches CC: inkscape-devel Onderwerp: Re:- Re: "Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG FontEditor? We just added a feature to our PDF FLY graphics conversion suite which extract the font glyphs from unknown embedded fonts in a PDF file and include them in the resulting SVG file. Let me know if I can help you answering your questions about SVG Fonts ? Best regards, Jan Homan http://www.pdf-fly.com http://www.visual-integrity.com -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: inkscape-devel-bounces(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net]Namens Chris Lilley Verzonden: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:20 PM Aan: Felipe Sanches CC: inkscape-devel Onderwerp: [SPAM] - Re: [Inkscape-devel] "Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG FontEditor? - Email found in subject On Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 1:16:30 AM, Felipe wrote: FS> I also think this should be possible. Currently I am working on SVG FS> Fonts rendering as my Google Summer of Code project. Maybe I can work FS> a bit on it after SoC. Not sure yet. FS> Did anybody record the LGM talks? FS> What did Chris Lilley say about SVG Fonts? There was no video recording since it was in the other room. My slides are online, starting at http://www.w3.org/Talks/2008/LGM3/cover.svg (the left and right blue bars link to previous and next slides) I added two slides with static screenshots of the demos. They work fine in Opera, an look fine in Inkscape too. (Firefox does not do SVG fonts and also seems to miss off some text). -- Chris Lilley mailto:chris@...157... Interaction Domain Leader W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [SPAM] - Re: "Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG FontEditor? - Email found in subject
by Jan Homan 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

We just added a feature to our PDF FLY graphics conversion suite which extract the font glyphs from unknown embedded fonts in a PDF file and include them in the resulting SVG file. Let me know if I can help you answering your questions about SVG Fonts ? Best regards, Jan Homan http://www.pdf-fly.com http://www.visual-integrity.com -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: inkscape-devel-bounces(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net]Namens Chris Lilley Verzonden: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:20 PM Aan: Felipe Sanches CC: inkscape-devel Onderwerp: [SPAM] - Re: [Inkscape-devel] "Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG FontEditor? - Email found in subject On Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 1:16:30 AM, Felipe wrote: FS> I also think this should be possible. Currently I am working on SVG FS> Fonts rendering as my Google Summer of Code project. Maybe I can work FS> a bit on it after SoC. Not sure yet. FS> Did anybody record the LGM talks? FS> What did Chris Lilley say about SVG Fonts? There was no video recording since it was in the other room. My slides are online, starting at http://www.w3.org/Talks/2008/LGM3/cover.svg (the left and right blue bars link to previous and next slides) I added two slides with static screenshots of the demos. They work fine in Opera, an look fine in Inkscape too. (Firefox does not do SVG fonts and also seems to miss off some text). -- Chris Lilley mailto:chris@...157... Interaction Domain Leader W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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How to create a FullDBG version in Win32 ?
by Yann Papouin 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Hi everyone, I'm trying to create a fulldbg version (where the size of the inkscape symbol is > 200Mo) of inkscape but I don't know where to set the correct param Actually I'm using this wiki page : http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Win32Port to build inkscape. My objective is to create a bug report of an inkscape crash when previewing *.ico file -- Yann PAPOUIN,

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Error on file ru.po
by Karlisson 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Hi, I got an warning on compiling rev18681: --------- Generating and caching the translation database Merging translations into inkscape.desktop. ru.po: unclosed <b>: #: ../src/dialogs/swatches.cpp:249 msgid "Color: <b>" msgstr "Цвет: <b>" WARNING: Bad markup found in translations. Please consider fixing the above problems. --------- It's just a unclosed tag <b> It is not the first time it happens with *.po files. Is there some way to avoid this? -- Karlisson de Macêdo Bezerra http://nerdson.com/ -

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Can't get the SWF output working anymore
by Juho Viitasalo 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Can anybody explain why I can't get the SWF output extension working or even it to show in saving dialog. You can find a link to this extension from: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ExtensionsRepository I extracted the .inx file to extensions folder, but I can't see SWF file saving option when saving a file. I compared the syntax of the swf_output.inx file to pdf_output.inx.txt file that I found from the same folder. I noticed that <name>, <filetypename> and <filetypetooltip> tags had an underscore in the pdf_output file. I tried to add underscores to swf_output with no success. I also removed txt extension from pdf_output.inx file. After that corresponding saving option appeared to Inkscape. I also started to change pdf_output file to correspond to swf_output file. I could change name and id tags to <_name>SWF Output</_name> <id>org.inkscape.output.swf</id> in pdf_output.inx and it still shows up in save dialog. If I change anything else "Adobe PDF via postscript (*.pdf)" saving option won't show up. Any ideas? -Juho- swf_output.inx ------------------------------------------------- <inkscape-extension> <name>SWF Output</name> <id>org.inkscape.output.swf</id> <dependency type="extension">org.inkscape.output.pdf</dependency> <dependency type="executable" location="extensions">pdf2swf.sh</dependency> <dependency type="executable">pdf2swf</dependency> <output> <extension>.swf</extension> <mimetype>application/x-shockwave-flash</mimetype> <filetypename>Flash SWF (*.swf)</filetypename> <filetypetooltip>Flash movie shape</filetypetooltip> </output> <script> <command reldir="extensions">pdf2swf.sh</command> <helper_extension>org.inkscape.output.pdf</helper_extension> </script> </inkscape-extension> pdf_output.inx.txt ------------------------------------------------- <inkscape-extension> <_name>PDF Output</_name> <id>org.inkscape.output.pdf.via_gs</id> <dependency type="extension">org.inkscape.output.ps</dependency> <dependency type="executable" location="extensions">ps2pdf.sh</dependency> <dependency type="executable">ps2pdf</dependency> <output> <extension>.pdf</extension> <mimetype>image/x-portable-document-format</mimetype> <_filetypename>Adobe PDF via postscript (*.pdf)</_filetypename> <_filetypetooltip>Adobe Portable Document Format</_filetypetooltip> </output> <script> <command reldir="extensions">ps2pdf.sh</command> <helper_extension>org.inkscape.output.ps</helper_extension> </script> </inkscape-extension>

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] units
by Valerie 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

> https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/35808 makes me wonder > if we could use chosen unit throughout UI, in all dialogs and > extensions (where a unit is in most cases "nailed" and cannot be > changed). > > I believe, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/inkscape/+spec/real-units > deals with this issue in some way. Any ideas? Actually, I would like if one could choose the unit and step of All options out there. For example, when doing Live Path effects, clicking on the "width" field gives me increments of 0.01. Now really, the minimum increment -I-'d want is 0.1. Clicking 10 times just to get 0.1 is not very feasible, so it'd be nice if for all tools, in the options area, you can set a unit yourself. That and, Shift-click to change in increments of 10 times the base unites. Alt-click can go in increments of 0.1 times the base unit too. Does such a proposal exist already?

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Proposal: stick to node or stick to segment
by Valerie 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

The concept is pretty simple: you take two nodes, you have them "stick" together (think snapping), and when you move the other node directly or indirectly (moving the whole object), the other node stuck to it moves along. Same with segments. It basically makes a copy of that segment and its handles, and sticks all of them together. Same with whole objects actually, I forgot that one, you "snap" the whole object onto a point. Background: I mainly came up with the concept because I like (trying to) do drawings with complex strokes. The new LPE interface makes the complex strokes a lot easier, but if you actually want to fill anything in between, you have to edit the strokes And the fill (basically doubling the edit time). Now, you Could tell me to just deal with it and/or delete the fill and make a new one, but it becomes a whole other story if Inkscape wants to include animation one day, so consider this a preliminary feature: http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/2604/stickynodesja9.png The problem is the interface. We could have a sub-mode of Edit, or a whole new tool, and of course we'll need shortcuts. Then for that new fill option, a new option would have to be added as well. I'm still pondering the matter (as well as the text tool interface), but maybe some of you have ideas already? This way at least we could discuss the blueprint. Maybe when Summer of Code 2009 comes around, some student would be interested and take up the whole thing! :)

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Question about namespaces and xpath
by khiraly 10 Jun '08

10 Jun '08

Hi! I would like to ask two questions: * In sodipodi:namedview what are the attributes inkscape:cx and inkscape:cy? * What is the difference between these two Xpath expressions: //g vs. ./g Thank you in advance, khiraly

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units
by Alexandre Prokoudine 10 Jun '08

10 Jun '08

Hi, https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/35808 makes me wonder if we could use chosen unit throughout UI, in all dialogs and extensions (where a unit is in most cases "nailed" and cannot be changed). I believe, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/inkscape/+spec/real-units deals with this issue in some way. Any ideas? Alexandre

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