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Inkscape release status. Feature Freeze is on 5/23
by Bryce Harrington 25 May '06

25 May '06

Here's the latest status: ICC Preview - HOLD CMYK support - HOLD ArtLibre named icon and cursor loading - HOLD Palette editing and per-file color sets - HOLD Tablet Bugs - BUG Brush size adjustment on zoom toggle for calligraphic pen - DONE Layer dialog Fit Canvas to Selection - DONE ODG Format Support - HOLD DOM Support - HOLD SIOX Support Extensions Snapping - BUG Rendering Performance Speedup - DONE Screenshots Tutorials Calligraphic interface tweak - DONE Windows font handling bugfixes - DONE Python Extensions on Windows Text/Fonts UI Windows "dialogs on top" Patch for GTK - HOLD Undo/Redo Dialog - HOLD New File Chooser in Export - DONE Test Harness Two tasks are being converted into "Must Fix Bugs" since they're really bugs, not features. A few are now DONE, and a bunch we've agreed to put on HOLD for 0.45. The remaining 8 we're going to give a few more days. I hope that will be sufficient time to complete them all. In any case, we will be feature freezing on the 23rd, and move into bug fix mode then. Meantime, ACSpike, can you produce a -pre0 release within the next couple days, to give our testers something to start playing with? Current Feature Work ICC Preview - HOLD =========== Jon Cruz is working on this. Plans to have feature to a finished point for the release. 5/17 - Jon has put this on hold in order to contribute to getting the layer manager completed. CMYK support - HOLD ============ Jon Cruz is working on this. Plans to have feature to a finished point for the release. 5/17 - On hold until post-0.44 due to dependency on Peter's union purge ArtLibre named icon and cursor loading - HOLD ====================================== Jon Cruz is working on this. Plans to have feature to a finished point for the release. 5/17 - On hold until post-0.44 due to dependency on Peter's union purge Palette editing and per-file color sets - HOLD ======================================= Jon Cruz is working on this. Plans to have feature to a finished point for the release. 5/17 - On hold until post-0.44 due to dependency on Peter's union purge Tablet Bugs - BUG =========== MentalGuy is working on this. Says for the release he wants to get these resolved. Something drops tablet motion events on the floor while the button is held down. This occurs for some tools, but not with others. The bugs are quite annoying but weird. They don't affect all tablet users. 4/29 - Still underway 5/19 - Still unresolved. Mental considers this a release blocker. Brush size adjustment on zoom toggle for calligraphic pen - DONE ========================================================= MentalGuy is working on this and plans to have it to a finished point for the release. 5/1 - Mental reports this has been completed Layer dialog ============ This is an important feature for the release, and on MentalGuy's todo list. However, work has been stuck getting Inkscape::LayerManager to compile due to a subtle detail with sigc::mem_fun(), and it's uncertain if there is sufficient time to unstick it and finish the feature prior to the release. Additional people's help may be needed here. [Beyond the memory issue, are there other aspects to the layer dialog that others could help with, such as UI work or coding helper features or whatever? --bh] 4/29 - Still under way 5/17 - Huge amount of progress made on it. Still not to a point that it's ready to release, but it's close. One of the major remaining issues is that the layer manager is destroying and recreating the hierarchy when the user selects a different layer. This causes state to be lost, which results in a few ui quirks that will probably be irritating for users. It'll be worthwhile to give another day or two for development before freezing this feature. 5/19 - Mental mentions that with the advancements in the new layer dialog, the quick layer selector needs to be reworked as well, as a lot of previously hidden bugs now become apparent when reordering layers and/or using nested layers. The back-end portion needs to be replaced with LayerManager. If we don't do this, we can expect many bug reports that the layer selector is broken. This is perhaps a couple day's work to get done right. Fit Canvas to Selection - DONE ======================= This is a feature ACSpike has been working on, and plans to complete for the release. The patch is here: http://www.ekips.org/comp/inkscape/inx/current.diff ODG Format Support - HOLD ================== Ishmal is working on this currently. Help is needed from someone who knows inkscape gradients, such as mental or bulia. He needs to know how to read gradient info from an SPGradient object. 5/20 - not a release killer; going to leave it for .45. Ishmal had wanted to get some of the clipart and example images to look the same on oo.org as in inkscape. DOM Support - HOLD =========== Ishmal has been working on this. The newest code is all imported and builds. [Is there anything else needing to be done prior to release?] 5/20 - xpath won't make this release. The parsing and compilation are ok, but binding isn't yet, and will need to wait for a future release. SIOX Support ============ Ishmal has this over half done. The code is all imported and building, and the selection mechanism is now done. Getting Inkscape and SIOX intercommunication working, but this can be built as a filter to potrace, which simplifies things. The transformation issues reported previously have been sorted out, using a "confidence matrix". 5/20 - Ishmal says this is incredibly close and wants to finish it before the release. He's planning on devoting the next few days to it. He will need a lot of help testing it. Extensions ========== Ted is focusing on cleaning up extension parameters and felt he'd have this wrapped up by the end of the month. The plan is to have longer text (tool tips) available, and a few more widgets. More spacing in the autogui will be added to make it look nicer. * Ted reports there is an unverified bug in the ordering of the effects in the menu, to be investigated. The Extension Editor is further off, and not being planned for this release. 5/1 - Ted reports the feature is not yet working, but feels it shouldn't be a problem to get it fixed in the next couple weeks. 5/10 - Descriptions are added and status bar messages work. Tooltips have been implemented but don't work for some reason. The major remaining piece is documentation - release notes and a post about the new INX file parameters. * Update release notes Snapping - BUG ======== Ralf is coming up to speed on this issue. Hopefully Carl can also shed light on things. On 4/26 Carl said he hopes to have a look at it over the coming week. * Need to fix the freeze when dragging multiple selected objects: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429049&group_id=9… * Update Release Notes Rendering Performance Speedup - DONE ============================= Andrius has a very interesting rendering speedup patch. The feature is complete and accepted for the release. There is one known issue to address with scrolling, but Andrius feels this can be fixed. 4/30 - Andrius reports this is now done, and no other issues are known. Screenshots =========== Scislac has taken this task on, and plans to have it done for the release. Two screenshots are done currently, and one more is in the works. There will be a call for more screenshots on the Deviant Art site. 5/20 - 2 of 8 screenshots are uploaded. One is waiting on the text toolbar work. The ones related to "Tremor"... I'd prefer to have nicer art for that purpose (I have some that can suffice, but I'd like better ones). The Paste Size one which I haven't touched yet, but that will be fairly easy since it just needs to be "technical". I have the selected style indicator one which is probably a LOT of compositing to have most, if not all states. And I also have a relatively simple one to whip up for non-destructive node deletion. Tutorials ========= Calligraphy is mostly done, and a few of the other updates to the other tutorials have been drafted but that stuff definitely needs more work. Should be possible to have them done by the end of April. Man page should be current. Bulia will update keys.xml shortly. Note: The sooner these can be finalized, the sooner translators can get going on them. 5/1 - ScislaC says a lot of progress was made over the weekend, but has run into some errors regenerating the svgs & html Calligraphic interface tweak - DONE ============================ Bulia is working on this change requested by MentalGuy, and feels they are minor and should have no trouble completing for the release. Windows font handling bugfixes - DONE ============================== Richard (cyreve) has completed these bug fixes and updated the release notes. * Update ReleaseNotes Python Extensions on Windows ============================ !!! No owner has been identified for this task !!! Bulia reports that extensions that rely on PyXML still do not work on Windows. Due to the number of python extensions, this would be a major missing feature for Windows users. Text/Fonts UI ============= deadchip (aka Milosz Derezynski <internalerror at gmail dot com>) has written a font lister Gtkmm class, to enable re-use of the font list. He is planning to write a font picker dialog, and rewrite the current font picker to use the font _listing_ class. This enables using normal Gtk components (ListStore, etc.) for accessing the font info. He plans to have this work done by May 1st, or May 15th at the latest. Windows "dialogs on top" Patch for GTK - HOLD ====================================== !!! No owner has been identified for this task !!! This is not exactly an Inkscape-specific problem, since the code changes wouldn't be to Inkscape, but it would be nice to have it finally fixed. This 0.44 release effort may be a good vehicle to tie it to, but we won't hold up the release if it doesn't get done. Scislac had contacted the author previously. * Send a reminder email to the author to find status on this 5/20 - Not a release killer; we'll punt on this one Undo/Redo Dialog - HOLD ================ Gustav Broberg (broberg at kth dot se) is planning to try to get the changes Mental suggested prior to the Feature Freeze. We have a patch for this. Also needed is undo annotations. 4/30 - Gustav reports that due to more changes required than expected, this feature will be postponed until the next release. New File Chooser in Export - DONE ========================== We have a patch for this, but there were some thoughts of embedding it in the export dialog directly. In the spirit of "patch first, discuss later", the best approach may be to stick in the current patch for 0.44, see what folks think, and do the embedding later. Test Harness ============ Bryce is working on getting 'make test' working in the test harness. It works currently, but the data is not getting included in the reports. In fact, I seem to have busted the reports entirely, so it'll take a bit more poking at to make it work. Additional Release Tasks ======================== The following tasks will need to be done for the release, but are not required to be done prior to the Feature Freeze: * Identify the list of must-fix bugs. To keep the freeze phase from dragging out, we will need to be very choosy in what we allow to be must-fix bugs. * Set up a ReleaseChecklist wiki page or similar to keep track of The List. * Designate 2 release maintainers. * Keep and update the above list and encourage people to achieve completion of the items. * Notify translators to complete translation work * Wiki updates + Update Roadmap + Review/Update FAQ + Update InkscapeFeatures * PR / marketing efforts + Plan efforts + Draft press release + Finalize press release + Send out press release [rejon] + DeviantArt PR [ScislaC] * Packaging

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[Fwd: [Inkscape-tester] inkscape build report]
by Bryce Harrington 25 May '06

25 May '06

With Kees' help last night, we got the test harness back online. But we're not certain if the issues shown below are legit, or due to changed dependencies. Jon or rwst, any advice you could provide? Bryce ----- Forwarded message from root <root@...1070...> ----- Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 05:21:03 -0700 From: root <root@...1070...> To: inkscape-tester(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-tester] inkscape build report = Analysis Report for inkscape = Report Time: Thu May 25 04:22:04 2006 (Run 3043) Snapshot: inkscape-20060525-0400.tar.bz2 Status: finished Platform Unpack Config Build Install WRNS ERRS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ debian x86 0 1 1 52 Test Status Score Info ------------------------------------------------------------------------ sut-1 ?? == Errors == checking for LCMS... configure: error: --enable-lcms was specified, but appropriate LittleCms development packages could not be found conftest.c:2: error: syntax error before "me" cc1: error: unrecognized option `-Wno-pointer-sign' conftest.cc:15: error: `exit' undeclared (first use this function) conftest.cc:15: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) conftest.cc:21: error: `p' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:21: error: `i' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:22: error: initializer list being treated as compound expression conftest.cc:22: error: syntax error before `char' conftest.cc:24: error: syntax error before `{' token conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:21: error: `p' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:21: error: `i' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:22: error: initializer list being treated as compound expression conftest.cc:22: error: syntax error before `char' conftest.cc:24: error: syntax error before `{' token conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:21: error: `p' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:21: error: `i' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:22: error: initializer list being treated as compound expression conftest.cc:22: error: syntax error before `char' conftest.cc:24: error: syntax error before `{' token conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:21: error: `p' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:21: error: `i' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:22: error: initializer list being treated as compound expression conftest.cc:22: error: syntax error before `char' conftest.cc:24: error: syntax error before `{' token conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:21: error: `p' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:21: error: `i' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:22: error: initializer list being treated as compound expression conftest.cc:22: error: syntax error before `char' conftest.cc:24: error: syntax error before `{' token conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:21: error: `p' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:21: error: `i' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:22: error: initializer list being treated as compound expression conftest.cc:22: error: syntax error before `char' conftest.cc:24: error: syntax error before `{' token conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:47: error: cannot convert `char*' to `char*(*)(char**, int)' for argument `1' to `char* f(char*(*)(char**, int), char**, ...)' conftest.cc:54: error: nonnull argument with out-of-range operand number (arg 1, operand 2) conftest.cc:48: error: `big' undeclared (first use this function) conftest.cc:48: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) conftest.cc:48: error: syntax error before `;' token configure:25101: error: --enable-lcms was specified, but appropriate LittleCms development packages could not be found == Warnings == cc1: warning: "-fno-rtti" is valid for C++ but not for C/ObjC == 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Announcing the 2006 Summer of Code Projects
by Bryce Harrington 25 May '06

25 May '06

Hi all! Today was the final day for the Google Summer of Code proposal rankings. As you can imagine, a number of us inkscaper's have been in deep, intensive discussions and votes to arrive at the final prioritization. The final decision of which 4 to select was extremely difficult, and really came down to the wire. A large part of the controversy was whether to have both of the SVG filter projects in the top 4, or to go with 4 distinct projects. But just then, in an amazing stroke of luck, Google was kind enough to allocate an additional project to Inkscape, increasing us to 5 slots! :-) Thus, our final project selection is as follows: Application Student Mentor ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SVG Filter Effects #1 Niko Kiirala Bulia Inkboard Protocol Spec / Lib Conversion Dale Harvey David Yip PDF Export with Cairo Mikos Erdelyi Ted Gould Memory Optimization Marina Diezler MenTaLguY SVG Filter Effects #2 Hugo Rodrigues Bulia As I understand it, one of the SVG filter projects will be focused on the internal handling of filters at the SPObject level, the other will be focused on the rendering of the filters. Thank you to everyone who applied this year. There were a number of excellent projects, and arriving at the final selection was extremely tough. Many of the proposed ideas were extremely cool and we would love to see them developed, and would love to be able to welcome the applicants to be part of the Inkscape community. Many criteria went into our final decision, more than can be easily related. However, one of the driving considerations was for work we felt would maximize the benefit to Inkscape users. We know from user feedback that these projects, if completed successfully, will have a transformational effect on Inkscape as an application - by the end of this summer, Inkscape will likely be a light-year ahead of where it is today. Bryce

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Effects documentation
by Justin Wikinator 24 May '06

24 May '06

I would like to see some basic documentation for every effect in Inkscape telling: - what state Inkscape must be in for the effect to be successful - how the effect responds to errors - what changes to the document result from the effect - dependencies of the effect (language, additional libraries) A wiki seems like it's a good place to start for this documentation. Someone has already started a page for this here: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/WhatEffectsDo, and I have added one more example. I was going to attempt this on my own, but I thought I'd do a callout to the developers first because they know what their effects do better than I do, and when I was effects code on the SVN some of it wasn't documented much. Thanks for effecting, --Justin

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Summer of Code - info for mentors and students
by Bryce Harrington 24 May '06

24 May '06

Hi all, I think Google has still not put out the official announcement about accepted proposals, but they've emailed the students. I checked with google last night, and there have been no changes in Inkscape's projects from what I announced earlier. Students may begin work immediately; it would be good for all students and mentors to touch base and say hello. As well, here's some info that will hopefully help fill in a few blanks: Summer Schedule: ---------------- May 23 - Google notifies selected students Students may begin work on projects Jun 30 - Mid-program mentor evaluations of student progress due Aug 21 - Student projects due Sep 5 - Mentor and student evaluations due Release Early, Release Often: ----------------------------- One of the principles of open source development is that you publish your code as you go. This is different than what students may be used to, but it is extremely important that this be followed. Students should plan on putting out a series of releases of their work through the summer. These releases don't need to be perfect, or even particularly remarkable, but by putting out releases, others can provide interim feedback so that by the end of the summer there will be no doubt that the student has been successful. For the mid-program evaluation, mentors should take into account whether the student has released their code in their evaluation. SVN Access: ----------- Google requires that all students conduct their work in a public repository. For inkscape, this will be Inkscape's subversion service hosted at sourceforge.net. We have a simple policy for gaining SVN access to be followed. The applicant submits two patches and has them accepted, then requests access from one of the admins (Mental, Bulia, myself, or Jon Cruz). Some students have already qualified; for those who havent, they should simply send a couple simple patches (maybe the start of the SOC work? or a small bugfix?) SVN Branches: ------------- Since we are in feature freeze, the student's work should be done on a branch in SVN. Even if we weren't in feature freeze, this would be good practice. The mentor should probably either set up this branch for the student, or help the student create it. Merging to Head: ---------------- The mentor and student should also plan to move the branch to HEAD at an appropriate point during the summer. It should occur at some point after the 0.44.0 release, but before the end of the SOC program. As part of this process, the student will also need to work with other inkscape developers to resolve integration problems, bugs, or other issues that arise. For this reason, integrating early will give the most gain and least pain. ;-) (The merge is likely a point where the student will really need his mentor's help the most.) Blogs: ------ Last year we enjoyed following student's progress via their blogs. This is entirely optional, but if the student wishes to run a blog, it can be aggregated at planet.inkscape.org; contact nicu at nicubunu dot ro. Bryce

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inkscape svn+debian
by Khiraly 24 May '06

24 May '06

Hi! Do I need to download svn trunk, if I want to test the prereleases? For the debian packaging I think the debian/control file missed a ',' character in it. So I attached a really minor patch(lol). cd debian; svn diff -x -u >control.diff I think the version from '0.43+0.44pre1-1' should changed to something '0.44pre1-1'. Am I wrong? However Im not able to build from inkscape svn. From the svn snapshot tarballs compiles fine. What is need to running in the fresh svn checkout, to be identic to the svn snapshot tarballs? Im talking about this tarball: http://inkscape.modevia.com/svn-snap/inkscape-20060524-0300.tar.bz2 >From fresh checkout I got this error message: > DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt" dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b dh_clean debian/rules build make: *** No rule to make target `configure', needed by `builddir/config.status'. Stop. If I copy the 'configure' file, I got this: cd builddir \ && CFLAGS="-g -O0" CXXFLAGS="-g -O0" \ ../configure --host=i486-linux-gnu --build=i486-linux-gnu \ --prefix=/usr --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\ ${prefix}/share/info configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in .. ../.. ../../.. make: *** [builddir/config.status] Error 1 So I think it some auto tool here. Can somebody help me a little? Khiraly

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Upcoming desktop-related conferences
by Bryce Harrington 24 May '06

24 May '06

For anyone looking for more conferences to attend! :-) Bryce ----- Forwarded message from John Cherry <cherry@...1...> ----- Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:45:02 -0700 From: John Cherry <cherry@...1...> To: desktop_architects@...1... Cc: Subject: [Desktop_architects] Calendar - desktop-related activities Several folks at DAM-2 requested a calendar of desktop-related events for 2006. Below are the events that OSDL has on their radar screen and are supporting in various capacities... May 23-25 LWE Brazil - Sao Paulo http://www.linuxworldbrasil.com.br/ June 1-2 FSG/LSB Summit - Boston http://www.freestandards.org/en/LSB_Summit June 24-30 GUADEC (The GNOME Conference)- Catalonia, Spain http://guadec.org/ July 17-18 Desktop Developers Conference - Ottawa http://www.desktopcon.org/2006/ July 19-22 Ottawa Linux Symposium - Ottawa http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2006/ July 24-28 O'Reilly Open Source Convention - Portland, OR http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2006/ Aug 14-17 LinuxWorld Expo - San Francisco http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO06A Sept 23-30 KDE World Summit (aKademy 2006) - Dublin, Ireland http://events.kde.org/info/conference2006/ Oct 23-27 Second Printing Summit - Lexington, Kentucky (week of) (Agenda and logistics TBD) Oct Audio and Multimedia Summit - TBD Dec 4-5 DAM-3 (TBD) - Portland, OR Dec 6-7 Second Power Management Summit (TBD) - Portland, OR Other Events NOT on the OSDL radar (yet) ======================================== June 28-30 GCC and GNU Toolchain Developers' Summit - Ottawa Sept 11-13 OpenOffice.org Conference - Lyon, France http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2006/ --- John Cherry OSDL DTL _______________________________________________ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@...701... https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] distcheck
by Ralf Stephan 24 May '06

24 May '06

Hello, while removing obstacles to a successfu make distcheck, I came to the following error. Do you have an idea how to fix this? ERROR: files left in build directory after distclean: ./src/libnr/test-nr.xml ./src/libnr/test-nr.log ./src/svg/test-svg.xml ./src/svg/test-svg.log ./src/xml/test-xml.xml ./src/xml/test-xml.log ./src/test-all.xml ./src/test-all.log make[1]: *** [distcleancheck] Error 1 make: *** [distcheck] Error 2 ralf

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NEW: palettes
by bulia byak 24 May '06

24 May '06

(inspired by the recent palette improvements and with the help of Aaron Spike) * The new "Inkscape default" color palette was added. It contains a range of grays, standard HTML named colors, and a full range of colors sorted by their HSL values (475 colors overall). It is generated by a Python script which is also put into SVN in share/palettes. * A number of specialized color palettes, useful in color-coordinated projects, was borrowed from GIMP: Reds, Greens, Blues, Gold, Royal, Khaki, Hilite, and Topographic. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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The horizontal scrollbar does not disappear in the newest swatch
by Khiraly 24 May '06

24 May '06

Hi! Just a minor remark about the new swatch dialog. If I set it to the size 'tiny', and switch to a palette like tango, where there not realy much colors, the horizontal scrollbar does not disappear, and the palette is scaled horizontally to fit all the space. I think the right behaviour would be: * no scrollbar, if not required * no horizontal scaling (the palette) Here is a demonstating screenshot, with a palette, which has only 3 colors: http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2708/swatchnotscale2pb.png Khiraly

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