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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units
by Eduard Braun 28 Sep '17

28 Sep '17

For what it's worth I also prefer a px-based default template. * For digital art it makes the most sense as Tyler noted. * For stuff that's intended to be used "on paper" it does not break anything and can in fact even avoid incompatibilities due to the viewbox scaling. Also it feels more natural to make a line 1or 2 px wide (which are useful widths for me in everyday use) instead of fiddling with fractional millimeters. If I need mm-based sizes I can also still use them where necessary. On a related note I'm not even sure our default size of A4 is overly useful. I've yet to create content in Inkscape that would need an A4 size... For me it's either digital artwork which has some even pixel size or I'm creating graphics that are put on A4 paper and therefore need to be smaller anyway (e.g. ~ 8cm wide to fill one column). So, while we need some default (which might just as well be A4) I don't think we should assume users actually create A4 content and base our decision on that. Regards, Eduard Am 20.09.2017 um 16:00 schrieb Tyler Durden: > I see no downside to having all releases/localizations use px as > display units and scale=1. > > AFAICT, it breaks nothing, which cannot be said for other current > defaults. Everything works and no gymnastics trying to explain units > and scale to the non-technically inclined. > > Even the newest users can understand how to set the document to their > preferred display units. No need for typical users to change scale. > > Simple rationale: svg is a web format, hence default.svg units = px. > > > Thanks, > TD > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:47 AM, brynn <brynn@...3133... > <mailto:brynn@...3133...>> wrote: > > Oh, I didn't know about these templates! > > However, I think it's better for users to know how to use the > interface, rather than use a template which only sets up the > units, and not the page size (unless you happen to want an A4 page). > > I'm not clear what you mean by this: > > The one thing you cannot do, however, is modify the document > units after > > Inkscape has opened the startup file. > > If you know how to change the units (as I've just learned how to > do it correctly) can't they be changed? Or do you mean that the > user would have to save a new template if they change the units? > > I'm just writing the new FAQ item right now, so I'll include this > info about the templates too. But need to understand that last > statement (above). > > Thanks Alvin :-) > > -----Original Message----- From: alvinpenner > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 6:29 AM > To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units > > It may be worth mentioning that you can choose the document units > that you > prefer when you start up Inkscape. If you use the startup template > file > C:\Program Files (x86)\Inkscape\share\templates\default.svg (which > is the > default), then you will find that the document units are mm. You > can confirm > this by drawing a rectangle that has the width of the full page > and then > using the XML editor to confirm that the width has been expressed > in mm. A > typical example would be > > <rect > style="..." > id="rect10" > width="210.91072" (should be 210, my hand was shaky) > height="88.446426" > x="0" > y="0.66666663" /> > > If you prefer to use px as the document units, then use the > template file > C:\Program Files (x86)\Inkscape\share\templates\default_px.svg. In > this case > if you draw a rectangle that has the full width of an A4 page you > will get: > > <rect > style="..." > id="rect18" > width="797.14288" (should be 793.7007, which is 210mm > expressed in > px) > height="357.14285" > x="0" > y="2.519685" /> > > If you prefer to use pt as document units, then use the template file > default_pt.svg > > If you want to permanently modify the startup units, then copy a > file like > default_pt.svg to overwrite the file default.svg. (after first > making a > backup, just in case.) > > The one thing you cannot do, however, is modify the document units > after > Inkscape has opened the startup file. > > hth, > Alvin > > > > > -- > Sent from: > http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/Inkscape-User-f2857977.html > <http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/Inkscape-User-f2857977.html> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units
by brynn 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

Here's the new FAQ. If I've made any mistakes, or left something out, or some language can be improved, please let me know. Or if you have the right access, please feel free to change it yourself. https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/?edit_off=true#how-change-display-units-v… If anyone is interested in writing a more detailed and technical explanation of all this, in the wiki, we can link to it from the faq. (Or if there already is one, please give me the address and I'll make the link. Thank you very much! brynn -----Original Message----- From: Marc Jeanmougin Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:52 AM To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units Hi, On 09/18/2017 03:19 AM, brynn wrote: > So when someone needs to change the Display units, so that their drawing > is as close to real world size as possible, do this: > > 1 -- set the desired Page Size and units (this sets the viewBox, right?) > 2 -- temporarily change Display units to px > 3 -- change the Scale to 1 > 4 -- change the Display units to the desired unit > 5 -- the Scale will automatically change to the appropriate value > 6 -- leave everything else alone Yes > > If that's correct then > > 1 -- I'll make a new FAQ item for it (if no objections) - perhaps link > to Marc's article about it - or is there a wiki page for it? > 2 -- I'm really thinking Inkscape needs to do all that internally. I > think users should be able to simply select the unit they want, the page > size they want, and Inkscape does the rest. May I make the bug/feature > report, or is it already planned or requested? > > If that's not correct, please tell me where I'm going wrong. We also can control the "scale" because, whether it is practical or not, the current behavior of the "default mm" template is that a unitless value in the document (like width="5"), like inkscape sets by default, is in millimeters to be able to "see" it in the xml. (Which also means that width="5mm" will NOT be 5mm) > Oh, one last question. > >> If you only measure > your stuff with the display units (and do not use units in the code, it > should not matter (tools "should" take the scale into account, and if > some do not it's an bug > > Do you mean to say that it's possible some tools are not respecting the > Scale? Or is that more of a theory. Technically possible, especially with extensions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user

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Candidates Needed
by Martin Owens 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

Dear Developers, There are 4 potential candidates that have yet to accept (or reject) their invitation. If no other candidates step forward today, then the voting process at 3am UTC will be automatic and the two candidates we have will be automatically selected without a vote. Thanks for everyone's attention. Best Regards, Martin Owens 2017 Election Officer

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] UX team?
by brynn 24 Sep '17

24 Sep '17

Oh! (Copying over to dev and user lists.) There are so very many people interested in working on the UX (I seem to recall several people had been signed up -- it's hard to believe not one of them would volunteer for this simple task. If "the team's business" means writing the intro, Team Details and Charter, I can do that. What other business might there be? (Even though I'm leading the Moderators Team, I suspect the "business" is probably different.) If it requires a lot of work, let's put it up on the To-Do List page, to try to recruit someone. But what kind of business is it? Thanks, brynn -----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:25 AM To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] UX team? On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 06:42 -0600, brynn wrote: > Hi Friends, > I just noticed there is no UX team showing on the Teams page > (https://inkscape.org/en/teams/). I could have sworn I saw one > there, not too > long ago (couple of months maybe). I think it had several members. > > What happened with that? The UI team is currently hidden as it's TODO introduction and lack of leadership made it hard to justify keeping it visible. So what it needs is someone with a passion, preferably a UX person, who can say that even if it's just a team of one, that they will handle the team's business. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Style dialog
by Jabier Arraiza 22 Sep '17

22 Sep '17

Hi. Im using style dialog, and couldent change inline atributes and inside SVG style defined css selectors. First one only allow delete atributes and second one only alow add atribute but couldent add value. Im in Inkscape 0.92+devel (a113f4663e, 2017-09-05). Im thinking on move part of the "Meassure Segment" code to be handled by CSS Style Dialog. All the best, Jabier.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units
by Tyler Durden 21 Sep '17

21 Sep '17

Greetings all, A universal default.svg with units px and scale=1 provides a simple single solution to a number of issues: - Resolves broken extensions and features like symbols and outset/inset, etc. - No need for users to consider scale, they just set the display units and work. - No need to tailor localizations with in/96, mm/3.77953. - Fewer bug reports for scale and localization issues. - Neophytes are less likely to abandon Inkscape as confusing or complicated. That's a lot of benefit, for what could be relatively little effort. Like with any graphics or CAD application, users should be familiar with setting document units when starting to work. This is the most basic of best-practices. Even making a template is not difficult, but a button/tool to save the current document as a template would be very handy. Regards, TD

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units
by brynn 20 Sep '17

20 Sep '17

Oh, I didn't know about these templates! However, I think it's better for users to know how to use the interface, rather than use a template which only sets up the units, and not the page size (unless you happen to want an A4 page). I'm not clear what you mean by this: > The one thing you cannot do, however, is modify the document units after Inkscape has opened the startup file. If you know how to change the units (as I've just learned how to do it correctly) can't they be changed? Or do you mean that the user would have to save a new template if they change the units? I'm just writing the new FAQ item right now, so I'll include this info about the templates too. But need to understand that last statement (above). Thanks Alvin :-) -----Original Message----- From: alvinpenner Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 6:29 AM To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units It may be worth mentioning that you can choose the document units that you prefer when you start up Inkscape. If you use the startup template file C:\Program Files (x86)\Inkscape\share\templates\default.svg (which is the default), then you will find that the document units are mm. You can confirm this by drawing a rectangle that has the width of the full page and then using the XML editor to confirm that the width has been expressed in mm. A typical example would be <rect style="..." id="rect10" width="210.91072" (should be 210, my hand was shaky) height="88.446426" x="0" y="0.66666663" /> If you prefer to use px as the document units, then use the template file C:\Program Files (x86)\Inkscape\share\templates\default_px.svg. In this case if you draw a rectangle that has the full width of an A4 page you will get: <rect style="..." id="rect18" width="797.14288" (should be 793.7007, which is 210mm expressed in px) height="357.14285" x="0" y="2.519685" /> If you prefer to use pt as document units, then use the template file default_pt.svg If you want to permanently modify the startup units, then copy a file like default_pt.svg to overwrite the file default.svg. (after first making a backup, just in case.) The one thing you cannot do, however, is modify the document units after Inkscape has opened the startup file. hth, Alvin -- Sent from: http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/Inkscape-User-f2857977.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units
by brynn 20 Sep '17

20 Sep '17

Oh, well if that's the only reason, I would suggest going back to px for the native user units! It looks to this non-tech-oriented user like using mm for the native units is making these things much more complicated (not to mention confusing) than they really need to be. Is there any reason why I can't make a feature request in LP, to revert to px? Like is there some other reason for the change, or we're already planning to revert, or ??? I know it might or might not happen. But really, just to make the default doc match one single template -- this really is imposing a great deal of confusion for many users! Thanks again for taking the time to explain all this! brynn -----Original Message----- From: Marc Jeanmougin Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:56 AM To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units On 09/20/2017 05:22 AM, brynn wrote: > 1 -- I would also like to see the display unit set for px by default. > But as far as I understand, Inkscape is now recognizing mm as the > default unit. I'm not sure why, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had > something to do with SVG standards. Nothing. I think it's because the default template is A4 so it sort of made sense to use millimeters since A4 is defined as 210x297 mm² -- Mc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Blur branch
by Yale Zhang 19 Sep '17

19 Sep '17

Vlada, good to hear from you again. It's very unfortunate I didn't do more to get my vectorized blur code merged especially when it was 99% done. It was reviewed and the main complaint was it didn't compile for i686. That could've been done easily, but there was another problem I realized which was how to handle vector remainders without reading past the end of an array, which could cause a crash (but with low probability). Let me wrap this up over the next few weeks if my schedule permits. Jabier, are you talking about my branch https://code.launchpad.net/~simdgenius/inkscape/inkscape or another one. There was a proposal a long time ago about approximating blur as 3 sequential box filters. You can still do that, but you would still need a version with higher accuracy for the best rendering mode. -Yale On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote: > Hi Vlada. > > Thanks for the reply, Please could you upload the patches to gitlab to > be sure the code not be lost? And maybe reviewed and applyed for a > enought quelified dev. > > All the best, Jabier. > > > > > On Mon, 2017-09-18 at 20:50 +0200, Vladimir Savic wrote: >> Hi Jabier! >> >> Unfortunately, those patches got lost along the way. I still have >> them somewhere on my computer, but I doubt it will apply to trunk >> cleanly. >> >> Shame that no one from the core team gave it a chance. It was a major >> improvement. I know that Yale (that is the name of developer, if I >> recall correctly) continued working on even faster rendering - >> something about multithreaded redrawing of canvas. On my intel i7 >> 6700 it was enormous improvement. I doubt that it will do anything >> for people with one or two processor cores, though. >> >> Regards, >> Vlada >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...3065... >> er.es> wrote: >> > Hi all. I want to know the status of the blur branch, I think it >> > introduce a great improvement but need to be tested well so the >> > faster >> > is landed in trunk the better. >> > >> > I don`t undertand his changes, also dont remember the branch >> > location, >> > recently cleanup my mailbox..., I remember Tav made some comments >> > to it >> > to be done. >> > >> > Cheers, Jabier. >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ------------- >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > >> >>

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Breakage with glibmm [Build #13381797] i386 build of inkscape-trunk 1:0.92.0+devel+16029+91~ubuntu17.10.1 in ubuntu artful RELEASE [~inkscape.dev/ubuntu/trunk]
by Bryce Harrington 18 Sep '17

18 Sep '17

Could someone investigate this? The PPA builds started breaking a few days ago. Not sure why, but I note glibmm mentioned prominently in the error messages. ----- Forwarded message from Launchpad Buildd System <noreply@...1881...> ----- Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:45:31 -0000 From: Launchpad Buildd System <noreply@...1881...> To: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> Subject: [Build #13381797] i386 build of inkscape-trunk 1:0.92.0+devel+16029+91~ubuntu17.10.1 in ubuntu artful RELEASE [~inkscape.dev/ubuntu/trunk] Reply-To: Launchpad Buildd System <noreply@...1881...> * Source Package: inkscape-trunk * Version: 1:0.92.0+devel+16029+91~ubuntu17.10.1 * Architecture: i386 * Archive: ~inkscape.dev/ubuntu/trunk * Component: main * State: Failed to build * Duration: 6 minutes * Build Log: https://launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/+archive/ubuntu/trunk/+build/13381797/+… * Builder: https://launchpad.net/builders/lgw01-amd64-056 * Source: not available If you want further information about this situation, feel free to contact a member of the Launchpad Buildd Administrators team. -- i386 build of inkscape-trunk 1:0.92.0+devel+16029+91~ubuntu17.10.1 in ubuntu artful RELEASE https://launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/+archive/ubuntu/trunk/+build/13381797 You are receiving this email because your team Inkscape Developers is the owner of this archive. ----- End forwarded message -----

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