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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
by Jabier Arraiza 05 Jun '17

05 Jun '17

growing green ones On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:31 +0100, C R wrote: > Inkscape is gluten free, dairy free, and completely Vegan. I think. > Are vectors and gradients considered Vegan? > > -C > > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Jabier Arraiza > <jabier.arraiza@...96...> wrote: > > Celiac label > > > > On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:03 +0100, C R wrote: > > > Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners > > > guide. > > > Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :) > > > > > > Here's a png: > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner > > > _man > > > ual.png?dl=0 > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...2...> > > > wrote: > > > > Can someone help Maren? > > > > > > > > I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be > > > > useful > > > > for > > > > drumming up volunteers. > > > > > > > > But also, for a project director when just getting started, > > > > it's > > > > useful > > > > to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that > > > > they > > > > don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they > > > > should do > > > > while figuring out the software/editing platform. > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > > > > > CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 > > > > > chapters > > > > > each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway > > > > > through > > > > > (35 > > > > > chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be > > > > > seen > > > > > around, after the first week, when one person translated a > > > > > chapter > > > > > (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be > > > > > rewritten > > > > > from > > > > > scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread > > > > > a > > > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, > > > > > someone > > > > > seems > > > > > to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that > > > > > were > > > > > supposed > > > > > to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). > > > > > > > > > > I'd be glad to see some proofreading and > > > > > styling/screenshooting > > > > > people > > > > > get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through > > > > > with > > > > > translating. > > > > > > > > > > I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and > > > > > vocal > > > > > about > > > > > helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > > > > > > 2 > > > > > weeks > > > > > already. > > > > > But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't > > > > > started > > > > > this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter > > > > > what. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then > > > > > translations > > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be > > > > > plowing > > > > > through > > > > > my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I > > > > > expect > > > > > to > > > > > not have time for much else. > > > > > > > > > > I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help > > > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > manual (preferably people who are able to work independently > > > > > and > > > > > know > > > > > Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they > > > > > really > > > > > do > > > > > well, like fixing up language or styling). > > > > > > > > > > There are more than enough open tasks: > > > > > from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency > > > > > checking > > > > > and > > > > > layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to > > > > > adding > > > > > missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course). > > > > > > > > > > And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care > > > > > to > > > > > honor > > > > > the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' > > > > > concept > > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use > > > > > it > > > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > started, without much theoretical ballast. > > > > > Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she > > > > > built up > > > > > the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I > > > > > suspect > > > > > her > > > > > concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape > > > > > courses. > > > > > > > > > > Maren > > > > > > > > > > Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say > > > > > > that > > > > > > we're > > > > > > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided > > > > > > to > > > > > > do > > > > > > it. I > > > > > > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I > > > > > > handle > > > > > > the > > > > > > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less > > > > > > complete > > > > > > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a > > > > > > call > > > > > > for > > > > > > help with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then > > > > > > go > > > > > > ahead, though. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the > > > > > > project, > > > > > > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for > > > > > > Inkscape > > > > > > project work. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > -C > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...78...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Friends, > > > > > > > As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the > > > > > > > upcoming > > > > > > > hackfest, I > > > > > > > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > item about the > > > > > > > recent new work on the new manual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could do that, after I finish the hackfest > > > > > > > article. I'm > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > time around? > > > > > > > Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > myself, if > > > > > > > we decide to do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would help in community-building, to > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > wider > > > > > > > community up to date about these things. What do other > > > > > > > manual > > > > > > > workers and > > > > > > > Docs list subscribers think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All best, > > > > > > > brynn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the > > > > > > > world's > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashd > > > > > > > ot > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-dev > > > > > > > el > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's > > > > > > most > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > ----------- > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's > > > > > most > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Inkscape-docs mailing list > > > > > Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---- > > > > ------------- > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > ----------- > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
by Jabier Arraiza 05 Jun '17

05 Jun '17

Celiac label On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:03 +0100, C R wrote: > Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners > guide. > Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :) > > Here's a png: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_man > ual.png?dl=0 > > Thoughts? > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...2...> > wrote: > > Can someone help Maren? > > > > I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful > > for > > drumming up volunteers. > > > > But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's > > useful > > to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they > > don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do > > while figuring out the software/editing platform. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > > > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > > > CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 > > > chapters > > > each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through > > > (35 > > > chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be > > > seen > > > around, after the first week, when one person translated a > > > chapter > > > (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be > > > rewritten > > > from > > > scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a > > > couple > > > of > > > chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone > > > seems > > > to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were > > > supposed > > > to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). > > > > > > I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting > > > people > > > get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through > > > with > > > translating. > > > > > > I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal > > > about > > > helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 > > > weeks > > > already. > > > But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't > > > started > > > this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what. > > > > > > Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations > > > will > > > be > > > ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing > > > through > > > my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I > > > expect > > > to > > > not have time for much else. > > > > > > I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with > > > the > > > manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and > > > know > > > Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really > > > do > > > well, like fixing up language or styling). > > > > > > There are more than enough open tasks: > > > from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency > > > checking > > > and > > > layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to > > > adding > > > missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course). > > > > > > And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to > > > honor > > > the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept > > > of > > > the > > > book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it > > > to > > > get > > > started, without much theoretical ballast. > > > Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she > > > built up > > > the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect > > > her > > > concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses. > > > > > > Maren > > > > > > Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R: > > > > > > > > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that > > > > we're > > > > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to > > > > do > > > > it. I > > > > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I > > > > handle > > > > the > > > > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less > > > > complete > > > > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call > > > > for > > > > help with it. > > > > > > > > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go > > > > ahead, though. :) > > > > > > > > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the > > > > project, > > > > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for > > > > Inkscape > > > > project work. :) > > > > > > > > -C > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Friends, > > > > > As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the > > > > > upcoming > > > > > hackfest, I > > > > > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short > > > > > item about the > > > > > recent new work on the new manual? > > > > > > > > > > I could do that, after I finish the hackfest > > > > > article. I'm > > > > > thinking > > > > > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first > > > > > time around? > > > > > Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could > > > > > do it > > > > > myself, if > > > > > we decide to do it. > > > > > > > > > > I think it would help in community-building, to keep > > > > > the > > > > > wider > > > > > community up to date about these things. What do other > > > > > manual > > > > > workers and > > > > > Docs list subscribers think? > > > > > > > > > > All best, > > > > > brynn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---- > > > > > --------------- > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's > > > > > most > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---- > > > > ------------- > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > ----------- > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Inkscape-docs mailing list > > > Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
by brynn 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

Oh, well thanks for your kind words :-) It could be both an announcement and a call for more help. At least the translation part, I wonder if we could use more help? As I and I think others have said, this would be a great gateway project for bringing in new talent and having more active users. Although perhaps there's some reason that I don't see, not to bring in beginners to the development side, on this particular project? Thanks, brynn -----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 5:32 AM To: brynn Cc: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape-Devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work? I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it. If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :) Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :) -C On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote: > Hi Friends, > As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the > recent new work on the new manual? > > I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article. I'm thinking > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? > Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if > we decide to do it. > > I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider > community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and > Docs list subscribers think? > > All best, > brynn > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Robert Sterbal's introduction
by Robert Sterbal 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

All, I've been using social media since the 1990s and hope to help this project reach out to users, particularly via Facebook Groups and Instagram. Please let me know who I need to contact in order to move forward. Thanks, Robert Sterbal robert@...169... 412-977-3526 call/text

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Website: Download page updated
by Maren Hachmann 01 Jun '17

01 Jun '17

Hi Eduard, feel free to edit the page to make it look nicer :) (would be really kind if you could adapt the German version then, too) I'm keeping translators informed of updates (if the authors forget to do it themselves), and translating. Contents discussions are a subject for the docs mailing list, so I'm including them in my reply. Kind Regards, Maren Am 01.06.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Eduard Braun: > Am 01.06.2017 um 21:02 schrieb Maren Hachmann: >> Hi translators, >> >> hope you're having some nice sunny days, too :) >> >> Marc has updated the Download page at https://inkscape.org/en/download/ >> to be a bit clearer on the meaning of the icons, by adding some text >> below them. >> >> Maybe you can make some time this weekend to edit them in in your >> language? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Kind Regards, >> Maren > > Do we need the "For " and "..."? It looks a bit cluttered. > Also "... or get the code." gets wrapped in an ugly way (maybe just use > "Source code"?). > > Centering and bolding of those labels would probably improve clarity yet > another bit. > > Regards > Eduard >

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