October 2016 - Inkscape Docs - Inkscape Mailman

prevent email address as username on website?
by Brynn 27 Oct '16

27 Oct '16

Hi Friends, I was just looking at the gallery today, and noticed a new image that's been uploaded. And I happened to notice that the user name is an email address. Is there any way to prevent that? It seems like this has been briefly discussed before, but I don't remember which solution was proposed, if any. Or is it not considered to be a problem? To me, the use of email addresses for username is just another way for spammers to harvest addresses. So it just seems prudent not to contribute to that problem. (Or if nothing else, not to have a lot of spammer traffic). Thanks, brynn

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about screen InkSpace description
by Brynn 22 Oct '16

22 Oct '16

Hi Friends, I was just looking at the About Screen Contest InkSpace page: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=about-screen-contest/ after Martin asked on the User list if people would test uploading on this page: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=about-screen-contest/about-test-contest/ And I noticed the description on the first page, which is: "When the Inkscape team and community is winding down development and preparing to release the next version we invite our artist users to help us make Inkscape stand out by drawing an About Screen. Our goal is to show off what the new version of Inkscape can do in an artistic manner. We don't have a particular theme, but it should be smart, attractive and show off the best you can do in Inkscape." I think the tone reinforces a separation between the user and development communities, so I suggested the following change. However, I would also welcome others to tweak on it, since I'm sure it could be improved even further. (And of course I can't actually perform the edit, because I don't have the right kind of access for that.) "Long time Inkscape users may have noticed that the About screen (Help menu > About) is different for each major version of Inkscape. Traditionally, when development is winding down, and just before each new version is released, the community celebrates by holding a contest to choose a new image for the About screen. The goal is to show off what the new version can do, in an artistic manner, as well as to announce the release (with flair???). Please see [link] for more information." So I eliminated any mentioning of separate communities, explained what the About screen is, and about the contest. I dropped that part about the theme, because it seems to belong more in the instructions for the contest. I don't actually know where the instructions are yet. But if this is where they are supposed to be, then of course it needs a lot more editing! And I added a link to the instructions or other additional info. Please tweak away :-) Thank you very much, brynn

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Inkscape Floss Manual
by Hinerangi Courtenay 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

Hello Inkscape people! I haven't been active around here for a few months, so sorry for jumping into the conversation like this! (I haven't read all the other digests so please excuse my lack of context.) I saw there's some talk about the English translation I started of the Floss manual in April this year (after seeing somewhere on the Inkscape website that we were waiting for the French manual to be translated). Elisa set it up on flossmanuals.net, and I translated the first few chapters (not the titles though, I didn't have access to them in the editor). Not everything was a straight translation, some things were more of an adaptation – sometimes I reworded/rearranged things to be clearer in English. Unfortunately a few weeks later I had to leave it because of work, but I see Sylvain has made great progress on it though! Sylvain, if you need a hand getting through the rest of the chapters, I can help again – just let me know which ones you'd like me to work on, to avoid editing conflicts. I haven't checked through the translations you've done, would you like me to? I'm a native English speaker :) Cheers,Hinerangi P.S. Seems the mailing list and I are still not friends, I tried sending this email multiple times and it keeps bouncing back :( Hopefully this time it'll work! On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 5:22 PM, "inkscape-docs-request@...122...forge.net" <inkscape-docs-request(a)lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Send Inkscape-docs mailing list submissions to inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to inkscape-docs-request(a)lists.sourceforge.net You can reach the person managing the list at inkscape-docs-owner(a)lists.sourceforge.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Inkscape-docs digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Inkscape Floss manual (Brynn) 2. Re: "The next release" page: Update required (Maren Hachmann) 3. Re: "The next release" page: Update required (Maren Hachmann) 4. Re: "The next release" page: Update required (Sylvain Chiron) 5. Re: Inkscape Floss manual (Sylvain Chiron) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 14:45:55 -0600 From: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Inkscape Floss manual To: <inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net>, "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Message-ID: <9561CFCBB3BE4E32912CA9AABAF89732@...101...> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Hi Sylvain, Oh, well I didn't mean to short change you by thinking there were 2 translators. By the tone of Tuxun's message, I thought he (she?) was also translating. Would it be helpful to you, if you just aim for a rough translation, and I can review and "fine tune"? I see that you are doing high quality work, and mostly alone, and I'm trying to think of a way to make it easier for you. (and move the project along at the same time) brynn -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 12:02 PM To: <inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Inkscape Floss manual > Hi, and welcome back Mihaela! > (I?m replying only to docs, I think it?s enough.) > > Le 11/10/2016 ? 16:37, Brynn a ?crit : >> Oh wow -- I didn't know we had 2 people working on the >> translation -- that's great! Thank you both :-) > > Well, I think I?m alone actually: > https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/_draft/_v/1.0/about-this-bo… > I remember Elisa started by creating most chapters just with the English > name, and putting the translation for the first 4 or 5 chapters, then I > told her that her English is bad ? :/. (I?m faithful to myself, you know.) > I reviewed her texts and added some more translations. > > Actually I?m encountering a few problems in my work, making the > translation process quite hard and long: > * I have to review the original text so that it?s really good in matter > of spelling, typography, HTML consistency, etc.; > * I?m also trying to be rigour with technical terms and uniform with the > current French translation of the software/docs; > * I sometimes had to improve the pictures because they?re blurred, or to > update the screenshots or the text because the manual was started with > 0.48; > * some sentences are hard to understand, have a strange construct, or > sometimes no real meaning, and I have to reflect, change, try, etc.; > * and I?m also trying to improve the ?editorial quality? of the > explanations because I feel it?s weird to translate something that?s not > well-refined (I?m just an amateur translator, you know). > > I should probably aim for a simple review rather than a translation. > Well, I told Elisa I was doing many corrections but wasn?t explicitly > asked for a full and deep review. I?m lacking some initiative here ? :P. > > But the main reasons that explain why I didn?t go far is that I?m a bit > out of Inkscape currently (I will be at least for a few months) and I?ve > always been a bit far from the ?user? point of view maybe ? :P. So I?m > still following what?s going on and I often give my evil opinion but I > won?t involve more unless you regularly say ?hey man, we really need > your exceptional skills right now.? > Hopefully it won?t be the case too often and I?ll have time for my > studies. > >> And thanks for the link. I'll keep track of it this time. > > You?ve got a link to the French book on Inkscape.org: > https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/ > The published version lacks my reviews though. > The drafts are elsewhere? The current French draft is there: > https://fr.flossmanuals.net/initiation-inkscape/_draft/_v/1.0/introduction/ > >> How is it going with the translating? I guess we can only see >> what >> has been translated so far? Does the French version have a page for >> every >> item in the menu on the left? > > Yes, there are something like 62 chapters in French. > I think what you?re calling a ?page? is actually a ?chapter?. For Elisa, > a chapter is a double page, with an explanation on the left, and > illustrations on the right. (But apparently she didn?t use the ?Page > break? button?) > Chapters are organized in sections. > The first 9 chapters are fully translated and should be perfect ? :P ? > while I?m still waiting some opinion from Elisa. > It?s long and exhaustive. > > Sorry for looking exhausted; this book is a very nice base but I?m not > able to deal with it alone, as my personal skills are quite far from the > author?s ones. Help please! > > I could think about reviewing the book in the coming months, one or two > chapters per week, while something else would work on the translation. > I need some feedback or attention regarding my work to go on, unless > it?s quite mechanical such as an usual translation work. > So we could probably have the English manual ready in a year or a bit > more. > > Regards, > -- > Sylvain > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design
by Hinerangi Courtenay 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

Hi Maren :) Yes a preconfigured virtual machine would be so great! I tried setting up a vagrantfile with the idea of sharing it with anyone who needed it (eg. Mac users), but got lost in the Django details :( Launchpad is also an unfamiliar tool for me (used to Github, Bitbucket, Gitlab, etc), so I really should take the time to get used to it (at least just the code/issues/pull requests). Cheers,Hinerangi On Friday, 14 October 2016 4:16 AM, "inkscape-docs-request@...122...forge.net" <inkscape-docs-request(a)lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:15:38 +0200 From: Maren Hachmann <maren@...68...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design To: inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: <97049081-b886-5e8a-f435-523c63ab4834@...68...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Am 13.10.2016 um 12:33 schrieb Hinerangi Courtenay: > Hi Sylvain, > > I'm sorry I didn't see your email regarding the responsive design, but I > quickly checked the website on my phone, great work! I haven't looked at > the bug report or the code, but I'll check that out later :) > > I'm not sure when the mobile styles went to prod, but if you want I can > give you a hand to get it working better cross-platform (it's not > responsive on my laptop). I tried working on the responsive styles a few > times, but the local dev environment was always difficult on my machine, > so it was hard to just do the work, and frustratingly I never got very far. - Hinerangi, great to see you again (and all this sudden buzzing of people, it's amazing!) Would it help you to have a VirtualMachine for VirtualBox, where everything is set up and the only things you'd need to do is open a terminal and enter a command to run the server / edit the files? Regards, Maren ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 04:16:47 +0200 From: Maren Hachmann <maren@...68...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design To: Fr?d?ric Guimont <frederic.guimont@...132...> Cc: inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: <0fe8501a-970f-2eeb-e8c6-5eac95a07e9f@...68...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Am 13.10.2016 um 16:36 schrieb Fr?d?ric Guimont: > I like the vm idea. I'm used to working with Ansible for our projects at work. I've prepared a VM for VirtualBox (or any other virtualization software that can read ova files) and some instructions for use, and could upload it later today, so anyone who is interested can use it for working on the website development version locally. Regards, Maren > I'm also available for responsive frontend work. I can code or do code review as needed. > > -- > Fr?d?ric Guimont, Consultant en logiciels libres > Savoir-faire Linux > > T?l?phone : 418-525-7354 #362 > Ring ID : d9396b8004d26120f1e948ac7a075ab7dd165077 > www.savoirfairelinux.com > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> >> To: inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 8:15:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design > >> Am 13.10.2016 um 12:33 schrieb Hinerangi Courtenay: >>> Hi Sylvain, >>> >>> I'm sorry I didn't see your email regarding the responsive design, but I >>> quickly checked the website on my phone, great work! I haven't looked at >>> the bug report or the code, but I'll check that out later :) >>> >>> I'm not sure when the mobile styles went to prod, but if you want I can >>> give you a hand to get it working better cross-platform (it's not >>> responsive on my laptop). I tried working on the responsive styles a few >>> times, but the local dev environment was always difficult on my machine, >>> so it was hard to just do the work, and frustratingly I never got very far. >> >> - Hinerangi, great to see you again (and all this sudden buzzing of >> people, it's amazing!) >> >> Would it help you to have a VirtualMachine for VirtualBox, where >> everything is set up and the only things you'd need to do is open a >> terminal and enter a command to run the server / edit the files? >> >> Regards, >> Maren

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?
by unknown＠example.com 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?
by Martin Owens 13 Oct '16

13 Oct '16

On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 11:07 -0400, Frédéric Guimont wrote: > Here's the link, for the curious, (don't mean to spam, though I think > it's on topic): http://quebeccite.com Did you know, you could post the images as svg files and make the text translatable ;-) > I can also help moderate the forums, make tutorials and such (I've > made an intro to the powerstroke a while back on youtube). Curating existing youtube videos would be a really big help. Getting them all into a youtube playlist and being able to put them into the inkscape website gallery system. We have a system where if you post a youtube video, the video will be embeded into the page and so we can collect them and put them into the website fairly easily. Martin,

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?
by Sylvain Chiron 12 Oct '16

12 Oct '16

Hi Frédéric, Le 12/10/2016 à 17:07, Frédéric Guimont a écrit : > I'm willing to help out on marketing and web issues too. I'm currently making a weekly webcomic (in french) using only inkscape. If I can help with a comic, I'd be happy to do that too. > > Here's the link, for the curious, (don't mean to spam, though I think it's on topic): http://quebeccite.com It’s on topic. Maybe you’d mind reading the indented paragraph there: https://inkscape.org/fr/communaute/sur-internet/ By the way, I don’t really understand the 40px left margin. When browsing the site with a mobile phone, it’s quite annoying. > I can also help moderate the forums, make tutorials and such (I've made an intro to the powerstroke a while back on youtube). Then I think you should join inkscape-docs. Did you see my last emails to the docs list? Actually you’re arriving just in time, I was requesting help for the second-to-last item in the Community To-Do List: https://inkscape.org/fr/contribuer/choses-a-faire/ Have a look at this message: https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/35421641/ Would you have the necessary skills — :P? -- Sylvain

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape Floss manual (was: how about some marketing and outreach?)
by Brynn 12 Oct '16

12 Oct '16

Hi Tuxun, Oh wow -- I didn't know we had 2 people working on the translation -- that's great! Thank you both :-) And thanks for the link. I'll keep track of it this time. How is it going with the translating? I guess we can only see what has been translated so far? Does the French version have a page for every item in the menu on the left? Oh yes, that is much more than I thought! For some reason, I thought it was just one chapter. Anyway, thanks again! All best, brynn __________________________________________________ From: Tuxun Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2016 10:50 PM To: Brynn Cc: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; mihaela.jurkovic@...2... Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape Floss manual (was: how about some marketing and outreach?) Le 2016-10-09 17:56, Brynn a écrit : Hi Friends, I've recently been contacted by a long time Inkscape user and former active moderator on InkscapeForum.com. (Technically she still is a moderator, but not active for some years.) And I think she also used to help with bug management and testing. And many of you may recognize her as the co-author of PacktPublishing's "Inkscape 0.48 Illustrator's Cookbook". Mihaela, aka prkos, is ready to become reinvested in the project, after having drifted away to work on other things for awhile. She has some good ideas for outreach and bringing in more diversity, and I think some ideas related to marketing, which she will have to explain, because I don't understand that kind of thing. I don't know if she wants to help with bug management again, as before, but maybe after she catches up to the version 0.92 era. And she said she wouldn't be opposed to working on a sequel to the Packt project. Ooohh! Mihaela, I forgot to mention this privately. Recently within the project, there has been some drive to create an open manual, which would be editable by the community. And we also want to make it more of a step by step manual, and more focussed to beginners. And this is as opposed to our current manual, which is copyrighted (can only be edited by the author), presently out of date, and a little more theoretical, and helpful for advanced users. It's a great manual, which has served the project well. But there have been a lot of complaints from beginners about a lack of documentation at their level. So we don't want to get rid of Tav's manual, but just have another manual available. The current state of those discussions is to use a project which was started by a French team (aaii, why can't I remember to save that link?!). It's another FLOSS manual. We're waiting for it to be translated to English. And once it is, we hope to be able to use it as a base to build the new open manual from. Maybe you might like to help with that? Also, some of her ideas will help us with the forum project too! And I'll be letting the committee know about that privately. So, welcome back Mihaela! As you remember the developers' mantra - code first, discuss later - please feel free to jump back in with both feet :-) All best, brynn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel Hi :) Here is the editable book on FLOSS manuals: https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/introduction/ Feel free to contribute, making an account and modify the content of this book, which I have in French paper version. (yep, it maybe explains my "stronk english ability" ;) ) Have a good day!

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"The next release" page: Update required
by Maren Hachmann 12 Oct '16

12 Oct '16

Hi everyone, I only just noticed that Bryce had appended a new overview of the release process to his email to the dev mailing list about looking for volunteers, and that it looks quite different from the list we have on the website. Would anyone have the time to update the English page (https://inkscape.org/en/develop/next-release/) and tell translators about the change? This is Bryce's new list (I think we can leave 6. out, and don't need to specifically have the sub-item 'string freeze'): """""""""" # Period Tasks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- √1. Open development. √ Implement new build system √ Begin switching packaging to use new build system 2. Chill. √ Development focuses on wrapping up √ Post inkscape-0.92-pre0.tar.gz √ Disable features that aren't finished √ Identify 'make distcheck' issues √ Identify remaining writing needed for Release Notes. √ Identify any release blocker bugs [scislac] √ Recruit Release Wardens for Hard Freeze 3. Frost. √ Only production-ready code committed to Mainline Finalize any major changes to platform packaging Inkscape must pass 'make distcheck' √ Finalize Release Notes except Known Issues Start an About Screen contest √ Post additional inkscape-0.92-pre*.tar.gz releases Packagers test creating pkgs of the -pre* releases 4. Freeze. √ Stable Branch is forked from Mainline √ Regular development resumes on Mainline. Only Release Wardens can commit to Stable Branch √ Cherrypick bug fixes from Mainline to Stable √ Complete any late work under advisement of Wardens Focus on release-critical bug fixing. String Freeze √ No further string changes allowed on Stable Branch. √ Translators work on translations. √ Finalize all extensions √ Finalize codebase translations Finalize about screen Finalize Known Issues section of Release Notes Finalize packaging scripts Post additional inkscape-0.92-pre*.tar.gz releases 5. Release. Post inkscape-0.92.tar.gz to website launchpad project page Post Windows build, MSI or EXE installer to website Post MacOSX build, dmg installer to website Make Debian build available in stable ppa or distribution archive Make Fedora build available in stable yum repo or distribution archive Post official announcements Plan 0.92.1+ release(s), if needed 6. Open development. """"""""""" If nobody else does, I can do it Tuesday night (UTC). Regards, Maren

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how about some marketing and outreach?
by Brynn 10 Oct '16

10 Oct '16

Hi Friends, I've recently been contacted by a long time Inkscape user and former active moderator on InkscapeForum.com. (Technically she still is a moderator, but not active for some years.) And I think she also used to help with bug management and testing. And many of you may recognize her as the co-author of PacktPublishing's "Inkscape 0.48 Illustrator's Cookbook". Mihaela, aka prkos, is ready to become reinvested in the project, after having drifted away to work on other things for awhile. She has some good ideas for outreach and bringing in more diversity, and I think some ideas related to marketing, which she will have to explain, because I don't understand that kind of thing. I don't know if she wants to help with bug management again, as before, but maybe after she catches up to the version 0.92 era. And she said she wouldn't be opposed to working on a sequel to the Packt project. Ooohh! Mihaela, I forgot to mention this privately. Recently within the project, there has been some drive to create an open manual, which would be editable by the community. And we also want to make it more of a step by step manual, and more focussed to beginners. And this is as opposed to our current manual, which is copyrighted (can only be edited by the author), presently out of date, and a little more theoretical, and helpful for advanced users. It's a great manual, which has served the project well. But there have been a lot of complaints from beginners about a lack of documentation at their level. So we don't want to get rid of Tav's manual, but just have another manual available. The current state of those discussions is to use a project which was started by a French team (aaii, why can't I remember to save that link?!). It's another FLOSS manual. We're waiting for it to be translated to English. And once it is, we hope to be able to use it as a base to build the new open manual from. Maybe you might like to help with that? Also, some of her ideas will help us with the forum project too! And I'll be letting the committee know about that privately. So, welcome back Mihaela! As you remember the developers' mantra - code first, discuss later - please feel free to jump back in with both feet :-) All best, brynn

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