January 2004 - Inkscape Devel

[Fwd: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Visual cue for multiple selections]
by Jonathan Phillips 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Carl Hetherington <lists@...169...> To: Lauris Kaplinski <lauris@...39...> Cc: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Visual cue for multiple selections Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:40:23 +0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Lauris Kaplinski wrote: > Hello! [snip] > It may be clear for 2-4 items, but may become visual hodgepodge > if you have, say 20 items. > As far as I remember, CorelDraw painted tiny anchor dot for > each object selected. This may be alternative approach - there > even is no need to choose either one, if we can make these > configurable. OK. Seeing the bounding boxes of a large selection never really bothered me, but I can see how it would be bad in some circumstances. In order to demonstrate the idea, I've submitted a patch to the sf.net patch tracker which puts red bounding boxes around selected items. It's a diff against current CVS. I'd be interested in any thoughts. I think the immediate to-do list is: 1. make it optional. 2. decide how to choose a colour for the item bounding boxes. 3. make it more efficient. I'd be pleased to hear any comments or thoughts. Cheers Carl ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html _______________________________________________ Sodipodi-list mailing list Sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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[Fwd: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Visual cue for multiple selections]
by Jonathan Phillips 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Carl Hetherington <lists@...169...> To: Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...> Subject: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Visual cue for multiple selections Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:43:48 +0000 Hi Jonathan, On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Jonathan Phillips wrote: > We would love it if you worked on this problem in INKSCAPE. We've been > discussing it and I've added your request to the INKSCAPE RFE. It is a > good idea. > > www.inkscape.org (join our developers list!) > > My only concern is what do you do when there are more than like 20 > objects selected at once? Don't you think at a certain point the amount > of sub-bounding boxes would be overwhelming? That is possible. It has never bothered me in the past, but we'll have to see how we get on. Perhaps we could increase the transparency of the boxes as the number of items increases, or something. > I'm not trying to steal you away from sodipodi, but I think that you > will find our development community is more supportive of direct > changes/revisions to the codebase. Come check us out... Looks good :-) The fact that the inkscape toolbars are docked to the main window gives you an instant 1-0 lead! (especially since I'm using Windows) I haven't got around to compiling inkscape yet, but it looks like the patch I just submitted to the sodipodi patch tracker should apply to inkscape as well. It's only a "first cut", but it gives you the idea. Cheers Carl -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Using gtkmm in inkscape
by bulia byak 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

>done." This means that if a decision is between more users or easier for >developers, I say we take the easier for developers option. Choices of this kind are fortunately rare. Normally we can all focus on our areas of interest (e.g. the usability for me or program internals for you) without stepping on each other's toes. >In this case it means using gtkmm _despite_ it not being available in large >quantities. I'm no expert but I got the impression that gtkmm availability is being resolved, so the point is moot. > In this case it means not holding back a feature because it makes the >windows port hard. Can you give an example of such a feature? >In this case it means throwing away a large chunk of UI code because it was >clumsy. Are you referring to the spiral tool? If so, what's so clumsy about it? >Otherwise we will decend to the point where all we are doing is minor >tweaks to the about box... :-) _Someone_ must do these tweaks, too. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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gtkmm in MacOS X Fink, maybe
by unknown＠example.com 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

This might be what you need. I think someone added it yesterday: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/gtkmm2 Murray Cumming www.murrayc.com murrayc@...167...

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Using gtkmm in inkscape
by unknown＠example.com 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

> However, freshrpms does have a 9.0 package that installs on 8.0. But > again, it's a bit problematic for those individuals and companies who > haven't stayed on the cutting edge. Fedora.us has gtkmm rpms, so you should use them instead, because they are official. They are basically the same as the fedora.us gtkmm rpms for Fedora Core 1. Murray Cumming www.murrayc.com murrayc@...167...

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Using gtkmm in inkscape
by unknown＠example.com 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

Hi, someone pointed this status page out to me: http://www.inkscape.org/status/status_20031231.php So I thought I would offer some advice, quoting that page: > A second and much more critical issue has been raised regarding Gtkmm. > As planned since early in the project, we began incorporating Gtkmm > into Inkscape following the 0.36 release. Quickly it became evident > that this introduced severe dependency issues. > Gtkmm 2.x is not available commonly on most Linux distros. It is easily available for debian and RedHat/Fedora, from official distro sources: http://www.gtkmm.org/download.shtml A Mandrake developer assured me that they would ship it, but I don't have a Mandrake installation and I don't know how to check that. I'm fairly sure that it's easily available for Gentoo. SUSE have no public bug tracking or feedback system that I know of, but hopefully that will get better. With no contributions system, you will have difficult installing Inkscape on SUSE whether or not you need gtkmm. What other distros are you interested in? > On Windows it adds to the DLL download weight. I'm not sure what significance the download size has these days. By the way, gtkmm is easily installable on Windows: http://www.gtkmm.org/download.shtml > Most distressingly, it isn't yet ported to OSX. It builds, and works, and Julian Missig built a darwinports package: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtkmm-list/2003-December/msg00122.html I don't know much about MacOS X these days, but I suspect that you want it as a Fink package. That should not be at all difficult to do. Please tell ask on the gtkmm-list if you need help with that. I would appreciate being CCed on any communication with the Fink people. Murray Cumming www.murrayc.com murrayc@...167...

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Using gtkmm in inkscape
by unknown＠example.com 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

> We can't > expect customers to have recent versions of anything, If they can get your application, then they can get your application's dependencies. It has not always been easy to get either applicatins or their dependencies but it's getting better now that Fedora is official. > nor > can we expect them to upgrade. Why shouldn't they upgrade? If the dependencies have stable API and ABIs then there is no reason not to upgrade the depenencies. Murray Cumming www.murrayc.com murrayc@...167...

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Using gtkmm in inkscape
by unknown＠example.com 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

> Of course it is available. The question is, "Is it already > there?" The average blue-haired old lady might be puzzled a > bit by a dialog: "You must have gtkmm-2.4-x.rpm installed for > Inkscape to work" 'RPM Hell' is becoming a major part of the > Download Factor. But, on sane systems such as debian's apt and RedHat/Fedora's new thingy, and others, you will just install Inkscape and it will take care of the rest. People will not even know, or care, that you use gtkmm. > >>On Windows it adds to the DLL download weight. > >> > >> > > > >I'm not sure what significance the download size has these > days. By the > >way, gtkmm is easily installable on Windows: > >http://www.gtkmm.org/download.shtml > > > > > > This is the other major part. Every little bit hurts. If > we need it, > include it. Using, or not using, gtkmm is not the sort of major decision that should hinge on a little bit of download size. And as someone else said in another thread, people are quite used to enormous Windows downloads, because everyone has to ship all of MFC, CommonDialogs, yadda yadda in every application installer. Murray Cumming www.murrayc.com murrayc@...167...

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Using gtkmm in inkscape
by unknown＠example.com 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

> I have a question, something we were talking about a week > ago. Is it possible to build recent versions of gtkmm and > sigc++ with not-so-recent versions of Gtk, Glib, and the > like? libsigc++ does not depend on GTK+ or glib. gtkmm 2.2 can build with GTK+ 2.2 and glib 2.2, and with later API/ABI-compatible versions such as GTK+ 2.3/2.4. gtkmm 2.4 requires GTK+ 2.4 (2.3 will become 2.4). Gtkmm 2.4 installs in parallel with gtkmm 2.2, so you can have both: http://www.gtkmm.org/ > It would be good if we could limit the wildcards of > the distro to only those two libs. glibmm is now a separate module, for gtkmm 2.4. Murray Cumming www.murrayc.com murrayc@...167...

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Rendering Plugin: GtkMathView
by Felix Breuer 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Hello Inkscape Hackers! I have a couple of questions: In general: Does the planned plugin architechture of Inkscape allow for rendering plugins, i.e. plugins that render new/custom/other tags in the SVG document (embedded via the foreignObject tag)? More specifically: I would really like a MathML rendering plugin. Does your (planned) plugin architechture allow for such a thing? If it does, my suggestion is the following: GtkMathView [1] is a very mature MathML rendering engine which provides a) a GTK rendering widget, b) a C++ interface for rendering MathML and, most importantly, a Bonobo component. For details see [1]. It might be possible to use this to render MathML formulas inside pictures/diagramms created with Inkscape without too much implementation effort (?). Rationale: Currently there is no modern visual software to create mathematical/technical drawings. The free software user who needs such drawings (i.e. drawings that contain formulas) is forced to use programms like Xfig or to hand-code these drawings in LaTeX. Neither approach suits me and most of the mathematicians I know rather stick to pen and paper because of that. Hence, I think there is a not-too-small community of people who would be interested in this feature. If you think this is feasible with regard to Inkscape's plugin architechture, I might well take to the task of implementing the actual plugin. Please tell me what you think. Regards, Felix

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