March 2004 - Inkscape Devel - Inkscape Mailman

Added viewBox attribute
by Bob Jamison 05 Mar '04

05 Mar '04

I added a few lines of code to add a <src viewBox=""> attribute. Since we have no viewBox editor yet, I just made the viewBox equal to "0 0 width height" where the width and height are the page sizes x 1.25. So, if you want to put an SVG drawing on a web page, do the following: 1. Set the page size to the size in points that the image rectangle will be on the web page. 2. Resize and move your drawing to fit into the page outline rectangle. 3. You might want to make a background rect to slightly overlap the page outline, to make sure that the edge of the drawing area does not appear on the web page. 4. Save. Paste into an XHTML document, and enjoy! Bob

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Inkscape with coloured icons (fwd)
by Alan Horkan 05 Mar '04

05 Mar '04

I mentioned on a previous thread that I thought it would be nice if the Inkscape icons had different colours for rectangle, ellipse, star, and I figured it would make sense to match their defualt colours (blue, red, yellow respectively). I hand edited icons.svg and changed the ellipse/arc to use a red gradient that already existed and that worked nicely. then I tried to change the star to yellow by adding another gradient but that doesn't seem to have worked as planned because I somehow managed to break the blue rectangle in the process. screenshot here: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~horkana/inkscape/inkscape-coloured-icons-test.png and if you want to try it for yourself you can grab my modified icons.svg and drop it in place of the current one: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~horkana/inkscape/inkscape-coloured-icons-test_icon… If people like this I'll try a brighter shade of Yellow and try to do this again properly without losing the blue rectangle and I'll submit a patch. I also played around with was converting the file to Standard SVG and it still worked fine. >From reading the markup I have noticed that it is extremely verbose (more accurately I was reminded having previously noticed this in Sodipodi) and I cannot think of any reason why this markup needs to be written. For example a lot of style information about fonts in groups that done contain any text or setting the fill-style:none but and then still setting the unneccessary fill-rule, so i filed an enhancement request asking for less verbose markup and with some suggestions. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=909368&group_id=93… Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/

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Win32 build and Inkview
by Bob Jamison 05 Mar '04

05 Mar '04

After considerable tweaking, the Win32 build, which has been broken for a couple of days, is OK again. In addition, the src/Makefile.am has been cleaned up a bit to make it clearer, and so that Inkscape and Inkview can more cleanly use the same base code. Bob

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: [OT] Re: Inkscape inclusion on w3 svg site
by bulia byak 04 Mar '04

04 Mar '04

>After placing a few SVG images on XHTML docs, I would say that he is >correct. For such things the size is less important than the viewBox="" >setting. > >I would suggest that for an interim solution, that when an SVG doc >is written, the <svg> attribute be added: > >viewBox="0 0 width height" > >...where the width and height are the size of the page, but in >SVG coordinates x 1.25 (1/0.8) I think it's a sensible approach. Just patch sp_document_create() in document.cpp and sp_doc_dialog_whatever_changed() in dialogs/desktop-properties.cpp to also put the page size into viewBox=. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] DTD
by bulia byak 04 Mar '04

04 Mar '04

>Good idea. For Inkscape we listed 'full SVG compliance' as one of our >core missions & goals, so the DTD is extremely important. I don't know >if Inkscape's output passes the W3C DTD, but if it doesn't then those >items should probably be treated as critical bugs (as bad as crash >bugs). No it does not pass W3C DTD, and it will never be able to, simply because DTDs are not namespace-aware. In a DTD, you cannot say "pay no attention to anything outside svg namespace". DTDs are an extremely old and inflexible technology. The best we can do about it is ignore it. >We've also talked about having a DTD for the SVG additions. This is >definitely something that should be written and included with the >Inkscape package - wouldn't hurt to include the W3C SVG DTD too, for >completeness. Maybe we should have a share/dtd/ directory? Any schemas are useful when you have different suppliers and different consumers of information using a shared format. In our case, we have one supplier (Inkscape) and one consumer (Inkscape), so I don't see much use for a DTD or schema. When people will begin generating Inkscape SVG documents by scripts, or do some meaningful things to them outside of Inkscape, then a shema will be more useful. Right now it's ultimately Inkscape itself that defines what is "valid" and what not. Also, the inkscape: additions are very much in a flux, new ones are added often, and we still don't have a big enough body of SVG documents in Inkscape format. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: 'dialogs' menu (screenshot inside)
by Alan Horkan 04 Mar '04

04 Mar '04

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Nestor Diaz Valencia wrote: > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:38:57 +0000 > From: Nestor Diaz Valencia <nestordiaz@...207...> > To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: 'dialogs' menu (screenshot inside) > > You are right, gimp stock icons, plus openoffice stock icons. > The theme is not perfect but it looks integrated. I had a look. Rather than simply embed the new icons I would ideally like to see the icon theme specifications followed so that users can switch themes rather than being stuck with just one. I've been meaning for a long time to get the original vector graphics for the High Contrast theme and make a low (~16) theme out of it. The (gfig) star and spiral icons are pretty bad, but they were drawn too small originally because of the cramped gfig user interface and I think jimmac didn't change them much when he redrew them. If you are going to use the stock icons from OpenOffice I think it would be far better if you used the ellipse icon that doesn't have a segment sliced out of it (because the ellipse tool in inkscape cannot draw shapes like that yet). (I really hope I remember this right because I've deleted the mail with the attachment and although I tried to find it in the mailing list archives there is a signficant delay before Sourceforge updates the mailing list archives http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=36054 ) All the icons are on Jimmacs website http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php3?ikony=77 Stock Draw circle http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ikony/i77/stock_draw-circle.png Stock Draw square http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ikony/i77/stock_draw-square.png I should admit that I'm not a huge fan of Jimmacs Gnome 2 icons and I actually prefer clearer sharper icons however it is a great bit of work you have done and it great that someone tried this, just the other day on GnomeDesktop.org a user was asking for Inkscape to use the stock icons. http://gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1653 I also considered taking the icons Inkscape was already using and colouring in the Square Circle and Star to the colours they are now using by default to make them more easily distinguishable at a glance. Hope that makes sense Sincerely Alan Horkan

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RE : call for sample pictures
by Cédric GEMY 04 Mar '04

04 Mar '04

I've put some SVG files here : http://www.le-radar.com/?art/galerie feel free to use them. A+ Cedric

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape with coloured icons (fwd)
by bulia byak 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

>From reading the markup I have noticed that it is extremely verbose (more >accurately I was reminded having previously noticed this in Sodipodi) and >I cannot think of any reason why this markup needs to be written. For >example a lot of style information about fonts in groups that done contain >any text or setting the fill-style:none but and then still setting the >unneccessary fill-rule, so i filed an enhancement request asking for less >verbose markup and with some suggestions. >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=909368&group_id=93… Text style is not added to non-text objects now. Since icons.svg was created long ago, it doesn't show that. More granular style management will be possible when we have AST (a new internal representation for XML and CSS) that's being worked on. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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Mozilla SVG support info
by Bob Jamison 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

I saw this posted on /. http://www.mozilla.org/events/dev-day-feb-2004/mozilla-futures/title.html Use the <-- and --> keys to navigate. It would be absolutely wonderful if Mozilla supported SVG by default. Bob

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[Fwd: [OT] Re: Inkscape inclusion on w3 svg site]
by Jonathan Phillips 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

I've been trying to get us on w3.org, but look at one of the responses from their list. I guess we should look at the RFE's some more, but man we have a ton of RFE's!!! Jon -----Forwarded Message----- From: Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...254...> To: Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...> Cc: svg list <www-svg@...157...> Subject: [OT] Re: Inkscape inclusion on w3 svg site Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 10:31:05 +0100 Hi On Tue 2004-03-02 Jonathan Phillips wrote: > Could someone add Inkscape to this page as an acceptable SVG editor. > This site drives traffic in a major way and we've identified being > on this list as highly valuable. > [...] > Inkscape's main motivation is to provide the Open Source community > with a fully XML, SVG, and CSS2 compliant SVG drawing tool. > Additional planned work includes conversion of the codebase from > C/Gtk to C++/Gtkmm, emphasizing a lightweight core with powerful > features added through an extension mechanism, and establishment of > a friendly, open, community-oriented development processes. Given that there hasn't been any reaction to my RFE http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=604309&aid=848230… since more than three months I didn't even bother trying it out. Tobi -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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