March 2004 - Inkscape Devel - Inkscape Mailman

Re: [Inkscape-devel] DTD
by bulia byak 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

>I agree about there being more powerful methods than a DTD. My point is >that I disagree about the URI not needing to correspond to an actual >page. If that is the stance of this development team, I think you should >get some clarity from someone over at W3C, because that has never been >the case in my experience, nor is it how I or any other developer I've >worked with interprets the documents. Quoting http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#ns-decl "The namespace name, to serve its intended purpose, should have the characteristics of uniqueness and persistence. It is not a goal that it be directly usable for retrieval of a schema (if any exists)." This clearly states that a namespace URI is not that of a schema and was never intended to be. If Lauris decided to construct a URI that ends with .dtd, it's not our problem. We keep using it simply for compatibility with Sodipodi. >It would be completely acceptable to leave it out, but putting invalid >DTD information in the files does produce errors. Or do you mean that the SVG DTD linked to in DOCTYPE does not validate our files? If so then yes, it's a problem, we'll probably need to remove that reference (or maybe remove the DOCTYPE altogether). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] tutorials + renaming menu items
by bulia byak 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

> > 2.) NJH mentioned that we should rename the Import... menu item to > > "Place..." I thoroughly agree as place just places an absolute reference > > to a PNG file. A true import implies that a file is converted and put > > into the current document that a user is working on, right? > >I'm not sure that is a valid assumption. I vote against "Place". It annoys me enough in Illustrator. Importing is a logical inverse of exporting, so the name must reflect that. Whether a file is sucked in or just linked to is secondary. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] DTD
by Bryce Harrington 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

Thanks, we'd appreciate the help. I think once a DTD (or XML Schema) is available, I assume all we'd need to do is post it to the appropriate place on our website to take care of that validation issue, right? Bryce On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Wendall Cada wrote: > Should have waited to respond, this answered my question entirely. I > would love to check into this for you guys. If I remember correctly, the > SVG files validated against the W3C DTD just fine. I just cut and pasted > the DTD address over the Sodipodi one. > > Wendall > > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 13:32, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Wendall Cada wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Accidentally sent a post earlier, the admin can disregard. > > > > > > Anyway, I posted a SR on sf.net some months ago that can be found here: > > > > > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=742081&group_id=4054&atid=… > > > > > > Anyway, I came away with the impression that lauris didn't much care > > > about the spirit of the W3C documentation and interpreted it to the > > > letter whenever convenient. I didn't bother to argue the fact that the > > > DTD does need to exist, and as mhnoyes points out, the DTD provided by > > > W3C could just as easily be used. > > > > Good idea. For Inkscape we listed 'full SVG compliance' as one of our > > core missions & goals, so the DTD is extremely important. I don't know > > if Inkscape's output passes the W3C DTD, but if it doesn't then those > > items should probably be treated as critical bugs (as bad as crash > > bugs). > > > > We've also talked about having a DTD for the SVG additions. This is > > definitely something that should be written and included with the > > Inkscape package - wouldn't hurt to include the W3C SVG DTD too, for > > completeness. Maybe we should have a share/dtd/ directory? > > > > It might be useful to have an optional extension that did a DTD check of > > documents on load, so people who want to ensure DTD compliance could > > make use of that as a filter/check. > > > > Wendall, would you be interested in checking some of the output against > > the W3C DTD and get a feel for how far off we are from compliance? > > Also, if you know the ins and outs of DTD making, would you be > > interested in helping make the DTD for the added svg items? (I think > > mental could probably itemize what the svg additions in Inkscape are, if > > you catch him on Jabber). > > > > Bryce > > > > > Date: 2003-11-29 11:29 > > > Sender: lauris > > > Logged In: YES > > > user_id=19294 > > > > > > No, DTD does not exist, because nobody wants to maintain > > > it (and unmaintained DTD is much useless). > > > Also, W3C guidelines only say, that xmlns indicator has to > > > be valid URL, not really existing document. > > > Also, there is 'plain-svg' saving option and --export-svg > > > command line option, that should create pure W3C variant. > > > So I move this to feature request category from bugs. > > > > > > Anyway, I disagree that this is a Feature Request. This is a problem, > > > not a feature I'm looking for. I realize that valid files are created, > > > but the DTD's are part of the process. I and am wondering how this with > > > be addressed with InkScape? > > > > > > Wendall > > > >

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DTD
by Wendall Cada 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

Hello, Accidentally sent two posts earlier, the admin can disregard. Not enough coffee or something today. Anyway, I posted a SR on sf.net some months ago that can be found here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=742081&group_id=4054&atid=… Anyway, I came away with the impression that lauris didn't much care about the spirit of the W3C documentation and interpreted it to the letter whenever convenient. I didn't bother to argue the fact that the DTD does need to exist, and as mhnoyes points out, the DTD provided by W3C could just as easily be used. Date: 2003-11-29 11:29 Sender: lauris Logged In: YES user_id=19294 No, DTD does not exist, because nobody wants to maintain it (and unmaintained DTD is much useless). Also, W3C guidelines only say, that xmlns indicator has to be valid URL, not really existing document. Also, there is 'plain-svg' saving option and --export-svg command line option, that should create pure W3C variant. So I move this to feature request category from bugs. Anyway, I disagree that this is a Feature Request. This is a problem, not a feature I'm looking for. I realize that valid files are created, but the DTD's are part of the process. I and am wondering how this with be addressed with InkScape? Wendall -- "Only the ideas that we really live have any value." --Hermann Hesse (Demian)

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DTD
by Wendall Cada 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

I filed a bug with the Sodipodi project quite some time ago, it can be found here: Date: 2003-11-29 11:29 Sender: lauris Logged In: YES user_id=19294 No, DTD does not exist, because nobody wants to maintain it (and unmaintained DTD is much useless). Also, W3C guidelines only say, that xmlns indicator has to be valid URL, not really existing document. Also, there is 'plain-svg' saving option and --export-svg command line option, that should create pure W3C variant. So I move this to feature request category from bugs. -- "Only the ideas that we really live have any value." --Hermann Hesse (Demian)

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] more font work
by bulia byak 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

>It might be nice to get some of these new icons designed for our next >release. http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Icons _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] more font work
by Robert Crosbie 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

>From: Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...> >To: Robert Crosbie <swingincelt@...19...> >CC: inkscape <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] more font work >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:51:53 -0800 > >What is standard to most GTK apps? There is something luring about using >SVG icons since we are the SVG app, right? Also, by supporting SVG, that >would that allow green-developers to quickly add icons for our app. > >I know its more work, but SVGs sound like the proper way to go. Looks >like gnome is moving that way as well with their entire interface to be >svg rendered on-screen, as well as icons. > >Otherwise, what would someone do to create an icon. Add it to icons.svg, >then export it as a png, and then convert it to an XBM file? > >It might be nice to get some of these new icons designed for our next >release. > >Jon I agree with the SVG icons thing. What would be really cool is to have code that would render an svg object (from a file) into an image that we could add to inkscape's Stock. I hacked this together once by moving code from SPIcon over to inkscape_stock with a few modifications. I didn't comit it because it looked ugly and I didn't understand it at all. That, or it didn't work... I can't remember. :/ Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Obtain po files to update
by bulia byak 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

> Hi, how can I download the es.po file so I can start updating it with >the new entries? Do I need to use CVS? You can also grab it here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/inkscape/inkscape/po/es.po… This web interface is a few hours behind CVS, but since the file was not changed in the last days, this does not matter. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Obtain po files to update
by Lucas Vieites Fariña 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

Hi, how can I download the es.po file so I can start updating it with the new entries? Do I need to use CVS? -- Lucas Vieites Fariña Dpto. Desarrollo <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática http://www.asixinformatica.com/ Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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Inkscape Status - March 1, 2004
by Bryce Harrington 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

Project Status Monday, March 1, 2004 The Inkscape 0.37 release seems to have been quite well received. Unfortunately SourceForge's statistics are about a month behind so it's difficult to quantify how well the release went, but growth in list membership and Freshmeat hits show that our audience is steadily increasing. Statistics Nov 15 Dec 15 Jan 15 Feb 15 Mar 1 ========== ====== ====== ====== ====== ====== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 4391 2452 1928 * * (68.5%) (82.4%) (86.1%) * * Max Week's Rank on SourceForge: 62 27 321 * * (99.6%) (99.8%) (97.5%) * * Total SF Page Views * 86,000 126,500 * * Total SF Downloads * 3640 5,735 * * Total Freshmeat URL Hits 746 2237 2,958 3,437 4,661 Total Freshmeat Subscriptions 16 28 33 35 49 Lines of Code in src/: 115,901 132,134 166,914 167,386 176,181 Code lines 100,549 133,150 131,540 137,202 Comment line 11,591 12,468 12,995 15,343 Blank 20,559 21,929 23,513 24,378 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 2,225 3,000 4,500 4,500 Lines of content in website: 1,173 2,090 2,885 4,300 4,886 Size of the Inkscape wiki: 3,700 7,385 11,284 13,114 13,880 Minutes since last ChangeLog mod: 360 1260 6 2 2 Bugs open/total: 9/15 67/111 74/160 53/178 41/198 Features open/total: 18/18 40/45 104/120 120/137 157/176 Patches open/total: 1/ 6 6/25 4/32 2/ 35 5/ 40 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 481 * * 2796 * Inkscape-devel membership: 49 64 64 63 70 Inkscape-announce membership: 9 16 22 26 31 Inkscape-user membership: 0 21 31 * - Statistics unavailable

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