July 2004 - Inkscape Devel - Inkscape Mailman

[Fwd: Re: Inkscape 0.39 Released! : http://www.inkscape.org/]
by Jon Phillips 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: Philippe Lhoste <PhiLho@...463...> > To: Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> > Subject: Re: Inkscape 0.39 Released! : http://www.inkscape.org/ > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:50:15 +0200 > > Jon Phillips wrote: > > Inkscape 0.39 > > ============= > > > > A Cross-platform Open Source Vector Graphics (SVG) Drawing Tool > > > > http://www.inkscape.org/ > [snip] > > Download your packages (Linux, Windows, Mac OSX): > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 > > Good, I will test it when a Win32 exe will be released (I don't feel > like compiliing it myself...). > > I tested 0.38.1 but deleted it because it crashed on me after drawing a > simple curve. Sodipodi also crashed quickly. So right now, I have no > decent (free) tool to do complex SVG drawings... > > I hope this new version is more stable. I will try to be more patient > too, and to save frequently... (Did someone already suggested autosave > feature? Perhaps it is already there...) -- Jon Phillips PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA USA.PH.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu/) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu/)

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Grad-Shaded Visio SVG export displays silhouette-only in inkscape
by Jeff Kowalczyk 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Visio 2003 has some nice (gradient shaded isometric) computer and network shapes that I'd like to use in inkscape drawings. Visio 2003 does have an SVG export, and that SVG does display perfectly in Adobe acrobat reader. Inkscape (probably due to librsvg) only displays the silhouette of the shape, with solid black as the only visible color. Here is a simple one, pda.svg, that I thought would be short enough to post to the list. I stripped out the useless "v:" namespace where Visio stores additional information. Can anyone tell if this is simply a syntax issue, and that Visio's SVG export could be XSLT'd into a form that Inkscape (librsvg) could use? Or is it using svg features that librsvg isn't supporting yet. What about Cairo's xsvg? I have the png of pda.svg rendered in adobe svg viewer 3.0, if anyone wants a point of reference. 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SVG Tiny Article and Question
by Jon Phillips 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Hello All, There is an interesting post on Slashdot about MACROMEDIA's erroneous support of SVG Tiny. The O'Reilly article attached to the post mentions how many cell phone manufacturers are supporting SVG Tiny. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/20/2250256&tid=152&tid=95 http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile/ Oreilly's Post: http://oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5212 Macromedia's Post about: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/msvg_t.html Anyhow, we have been discussing on the chat channel, and I wonder the best way to implement support for this emerging market? Could we make it as simple as an export, or as simple as a save-as, like plain svg? Also, anyone in the know, how long would such a thing take to implement. I'm keeping my eyes on the watchout for where SVG will be supported, and it appears (and this comes from talking to industry folks in US, Japan, and KOREA) that the emerging market for SVG (at least initially) will be for cell phones. What is the best way to go about implementing this? I am going to seek out Macromedia folks and W3C folks at siggraph in a couple of weeks, and would love to have some thoughts and positions on this... Jon -- Jon Phillips PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA USA.PH.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu/) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu/)

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Make fails - freetype problem?
by MenTaLguY 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 10:18, John Mellor wrote: > I have freetype-2.1.8 installed. The error sounds quite explanatory but > not sufficiently so for my lack of experience. Can anyone help please? Specific versions of freetype seem to have different requirements for which header files to include. :/ -mental

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The standard for PO files is now UTF-8
by Arpad Biro 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Dear Translators, This is to let you know that all non-UTF-8 translation files have been converted to UTF-8 (and will automatically be in the future if needed). Please use this standard so that we will have fewer i18n problems. Thanks. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/

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Tarball Release Sizes
by Bryce Harrington 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Stats for how our tarball size has changed over different releases: 1.9M inkscape-0.35.tar.gz 1.9M inkscape-0.36.tar.gz 2.5M inkscape-0.37.tar.gz 3.2M inkscape-0.38.1.tar.gz 4.2M inkscape-0.39.tar.gz I think that's pretty good; I was expecting the size to be about double that. 4.2M should be very little trouble for folks to download. :-) In the current release, here's a rundown of the top 20 largest files: 1124712 ./share/tutorials/elementsofdesign.sl.svg 1097642 ./share/tutorials/elementsofdesign.svg 899283 ./configure 753019 ./src/Makefile.in 321787 ./share/screens/keys.svg 320641 ./share/tutorials/tutorial-advanced.sl.svg 319166 ./share/screens/keys.sl.svg 295727 ./share/tutorials/tutorial-advanced.svg 292340 ./share/tutorials/tutorial-advanced.fr.svg 266949 ./aclocal.m4 253315 ./share/tutorials/tutorial-basic.sl.svg 245013 ./share/icons/icons.svg 232963 ./share/tutorials/tutorial-basic.ru.svg 231423 ./share/tutorials/tutorial-basic.fr.svg 224177 ./share/tutorials/tutorial-basic.svg 184019 ./ltmain.sh 178732 ./share/tutorials/tipsandtricks.sl.svg 149112 ./share/tutorials/tipsandtricks.svg 142727 ./po/sr.po 141439 ./po/fr.po Directory sizes: 32K debian 288K doc 5.0M po 6.7M share (largely the tutorials section) 7.2M src We've batted around the idea of eventually breaking the tutorials out into separate language-specific distribution packages someday maybe in a few releases, especially as we gain additional translations of them. Looks like it isn't a problem right now though. Bryce

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autopackage for 0.39, upcoming patches
by Mike Hearn 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Hi guys, Firstly, some good news. On compiling Inkscape against the GTK 2.2 headers, which is a part of doing an autopackage release of it, my crash mysteriously vanished. So that's an interesting data point. Secondly, there is an package of 0.39 available here: http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/0.39/inkscape-0.39.package It's built against a new version of autopackage, 0.6, which will be released properly sometime tomorrow. Likewise the nightlies and the GTKmm/sigc++ packages have also been rebuilt against that release. I checked the server logs the other day, there have been ~1700 downloads of the inkscape autopackage. Of those approximately half also pulled in GTKmm as a resolved dependency. We've had very little feedback from this - I had assumed there simply weren't many people using the service, but clearly this is not the case. I guess it's simply working pretty well for people! :) Because of this I'm feeling pretty confident that the 0.6 release is likewise stable and reasonable compatible with a variety of setups - in fact we've fixed a few distro compatibility bugs in this release, especially for Slackware users. So, if you could link to the 0.39 package from the Inkscape website, that'd be great as I feel a lot of people would benefit from a package of the stable release. Hongli has created some stock HTML that people can embed/tweak for their websites which identify the fact that it's an autopackage and link to the instructions for how to install them: http://www.autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/index.html I don't have that right now, but I'd be interested in your opinions on the stock HTML idea later. Having packaged up Inkscape of course I wanted to play with it - that's where the crash report came from. So I drew an icon/logo for autopackage: http://autopackage.org/logos/logos.html Why not marvel at my lack of artistic talent? If any of the pros on this mailing list want to draw us a better one please feel free! :) Finally, I'm afraid I'm not finished with the patches yet! This: http://cvs.sunsite.dk/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/autopackage/apbuild/relaytool ... is likewise a non-work of art. I was originally going to submit a patch to make gtkspell dlopened at runtime, but realised that this was (a) tedious and (b) going to happen a lot. So I wrote relaytool which is designed to automate it. For those who haven't read the above URL, relaytool is a program which generates C files you can compile and link into your app, which replaces the -lfoo option you'd normally use with a "soft link". It uses assembly and ELF magic to perform the link at runtime using dlopen, but it won't fail if the library isn't present. The interesting thing about this approach is that it requires no code changes, and doesn't rely on icky stuff like header rewriting. Code like this: #ifdef HAVE_GTKSPELL gtkspell_attach( ... ) #endif can simply become: #ifdef HAVE_GTKSPELL if (libgtkspell_is_present) gtkspell_attach( ... ); #endif And as long as the binary was compiled in the presence of the gtkspell headers, at runtime Inkscape will use libgtkspell if it's present and continue without spell checking ability if it's not. Therefore we can cut down on the number of hard dependencies for Inkscape, so increasing the reliability and robustness of the installation. It works for exported variables too, though not many libraries use that. In theory it also works for C++ objects but I haven't tried it yet. You use it like this: gcc -o testapp testapp.c -lgtkspell becomes gcc -o testapp testapp.c `relaytool --relay gtkspell -lgtkspell` And the stub file will be generated and compiled transparently on systems that relaytool supports. On systems it doesn't support the -l option is passed through unchanged. relaytool isn't quite ready yet, in particular I need to write an autoconf check for ELF platforms so using it doesn't interfere with the build on Windows and MacOS X. We can use a similar technique to allow Inkscape to use the GTK 2.4 file picker but cleanly fall back to the GTK 2.2/2.0 APIs when GTK 2.4 isn't present. Hope that helps, thanks -mike

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Re: Tarball Release Sizes
by Robert Crosbie 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Can the svg tutorials be saved as svgz? That should reduce their size in the release a bit. Cheers, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft� SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht… Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN� Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

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Re: [Scribus] linked text
by Jon Phillips 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Hi Sebastian, We would love your help on the German translation. If you do, please make a patch and upload to our patch tracker. If you would like to join our project as a developer after that initial patch, then we will welcome you with open arms. (our policy is one good submission and then cvs access) INKSCAPERS: Could someone who deals with translations communicate with Sebastian further please. Thx! Jon On Sat, 2004-07-17 at 04:07, Sebastian Röder wrote: > Hi Jon, > > i didn`t manage to write to the inscape mailing list as annonymous user so > maybe I can write my short "feature request" here: > > I work a lot with Scribus (at least in last weeks) and want to work with > Inkscape to create graphics for my Scribus layouts. But the German > tranlation for inkscape is not up to date (I guess around 80% not translated) > so it is realy hard for the first steps to get to know how things work in > inkscape. I already wrote a Email to the former translater (I found an Email > adress in the .po file) but he was the old sodipodi translater and will nor > update the inkscape .po anymore. Seems like there is a German translater > missing! And seems like I have to sign for the inkscape mailinglist as well. > Maybe you can add my little request to the inkscape list for now? > > Thanks, > Sebastian Roeder - German Scribus (and one day Inkscape) user > _______________________________________________ > Scribus mailing list > Scribus@...119... > http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/mailman/listinfo/scribus -- Jon Phillips PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA USA.PH.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu/) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu/)

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Is there a reason to not upload the 0.39 autopackage to SF?
by bulia byak 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

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